1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:12,921 Speaker 1: Approach production. Welcome to Secrets of the Oderworld. I am 2 00:00:13,001 --> 00:00:15,721 Speaker 1: Neil the muscle Coummons, and in. 3 00:00:15,681 --> 00:00:19,521 Speaker 2: This episode I speak to old school DJ legend Mickey D. 4 00:00:20,121 --> 00:00:22,841 Speaker 1: Finished party and then I'd wait to the record stores 5 00:00:22,881 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: with on a Sunday morning at late tenor and I 6 00:00:25,361 --> 00:00:29,081 Speaker 1: don't even slam. So I did the millennial change. You know, 7 00:00:29,121 --> 00:00:32,961 Speaker 1: I've played just after it clocked over two thousand. I 8 00:00:33,001 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: was still playing at lots of places. But for me, 9 00:00:35,841 --> 00:00:39,521 Speaker 1: my value as a DJ was not necessarily as my 10 00:00:39,641 --> 00:00:42,401 Speaker 1: name anymore. It was I was just becoming a jukebox. 11 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:45,401 Speaker 1: I just I just think that none of us thought 12 00:00:45,441 --> 00:00:48,241 Speaker 1: that this was going to happen. So it was just weird, right, 13 00:00:48,281 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: like an end of an era was happening. I think 14 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:53,481 Speaker 1: it was just sad. You don't ever want anything to 15 00:00:53,521 --> 00:01:00,481 Speaker 1: come to an end, right, Mickey D is in my house. 16 00:01:01,161 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: I used to say that all the time, when you'll 17 00:01:02,401 --> 00:01:08,001 Speaker 2: come to DC's, I look, I'd be gone, Yes, mister. 18 00:01:07,761 --> 00:01:12,321 Speaker 1: Coup Neil, you know what you only DJ? 19 00:01:13,081 --> 00:01:15,481 Speaker 2: And this is God's truth? Is I only DJ? I 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,721 Speaker 2: used to wait to get a CD off. I used 21 00:01:18,721 --> 00:01:21,161 Speaker 2: to fucking love your CDs and I just want it 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,041 Speaker 2: and every time I came. I didn't want to know 23 00:01:23,081 --> 00:01:25,401 Speaker 2: you all the time, but you go, can you see this? 24 00:01:26,441 --> 00:01:29,241 Speaker 1: What you know? What? If there are any DJs that 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: are listening to this right now, and hopefully Neil you 26 00:01:32,081 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: don't edit any of this, I'm glad that you said that. 27 00:01:36,521 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: And Alex K if you're listening to this, did you 28 00:01:40,121 --> 00:01:44,161 Speaker 1: hear what Neil said? I'm the only DJ that Neil 29 00:01:44,401 --> 00:01:49,201 Speaker 1: wanted a CD from. Thank you and hopefully I'll you know, 30 00:01:49,721 --> 00:01:56,401 Speaker 1: make more CDs. Anyway, thanks for coming on. 31 00:01:56,561 --> 00:01:58,881 Speaker 2: Let's start off about you growing up first and how 32 00:01:58,881 --> 00:02:01,081 Speaker 2: you got into DJing, what kind of path you were 33 00:02:01,201 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: you're led to come to this. 34 00:02:02,121 --> 00:02:04,641 Speaker 1: Way, and then we'll get into the nitty grizzy of 35 00:02:04,641 --> 00:02:10,001 Speaker 1: the night. Okay, so one am I Now I'm too old, 36 00:02:10,041 --> 00:02:11,961 Speaker 1: so I don't want to actually say to any of 37 00:02:12,001 --> 00:02:15,521 Speaker 1: your listeners how old I am. But my djaying career 38 00:02:15,721 --> 00:02:18,881 Speaker 1: started when I was fourteen. It's going back a fair bit. 39 00:02:19,161 --> 00:02:21,761 Speaker 1: You just all started early, didn't you. Well, mine was 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: fourteen and the reason being, and this is some of 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,921 Speaker 1: the stuff that you probably haven't heard about me. I 42 00:02:26,081 --> 00:02:29,281 Speaker 1: played ice hockey, so ice skating, ice hockey at Canterbury 43 00:02:29,281 --> 00:02:32,281 Speaker 1: Ice Drink played for my country. I was over in 44 00:02:32,321 --> 00:02:34,401 Speaker 1: Canada for a couple of years and when I was fourteen, 45 00:02:34,401 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: I was working at Canterbury Ice Drink and there was 46 00:02:37,321 --> 00:02:41,281 Speaker 1: a DJ Friday, Saturday nights and Sunday afternoons. And one 47 00:02:41,321 --> 00:02:43,041 Speaker 1: day he didn't turn up. It was a Saturday night. 48 00:02:43,161 --> 00:02:46,601 Speaker 1: I was working making coffees and doing ice patrol. DJ 49 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,561 Speaker 1: didn't turn up and I said to the manager in 50 00:02:49,721 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Milner at the time, I said, in I've got to 51 00:02:52,921 --> 00:02:55,081 Speaker 1: music at home. I sort of know what I'm doing, 52 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,201 Speaker 1: but can you drive me home? I wasn't living too 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,041 Speaker 1: far and I'll put to music on and the rest 54 00:03:01,121 --> 00:03:03,441 Speaker 1: is history, right. So I started my own business, my 55 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,281 Speaker 1: DJA and business when I was fourteen. Did that for 56 00:03:06,321 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: about a year and a half. Thought loved it. Unfortunately, 57 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,001 Speaker 1: it was a little bit of self taught back in 58 00:03:12,041 --> 00:03:16,441 Speaker 1: that day. So I was using Christmas vials, Vinyl was 59 00:03:16,481 --> 00:03:19,721 Speaker 1: there and CDs just sort of come through. Had an 60 00:03:19,721 --> 00:03:22,601 Speaker 1: old mixer, turntables and I was just fading it and 61 00:03:22,641 --> 00:03:25,881 Speaker 1: now so it wasn't really sort of probably mixing like 62 00:03:25,921 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: I was at DCM, but I sort of just self 63 00:03:28,841 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: taught very in and out playing hip hop. I was 64 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,001 Speaker 1: playing a lot of Happy Heart at the time, but 65 00:03:34,161 --> 00:03:36,281 Speaker 1: just self taught. So did that for about a year 66 00:03:36,281 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: and a half and it was a lot of fun. 67 00:03:38,041 --> 00:03:40,241 Speaker 1: Just really loved it. Started my own business, went over 68 00:03:40,281 --> 00:03:42,201 Speaker 1: to Canada, played ice hockey. When I came back when 69 00:03:42,201 --> 00:03:44,561 Speaker 1: I was eighteen, I thought, I want to really give 70 00:03:44,601 --> 00:03:48,761 Speaker 1: this a crack, and so my first sort of residency 71 00:03:49,441 --> 00:03:51,561 Speaker 1: was at Paramount of Leagues at Kicks night club. I 72 00:03:51,721 --> 00:03:55,121 Speaker 1: started there as a lighting job out of all things right, 73 00:03:55,761 --> 00:03:58,161 Speaker 1: came back really wanted to sort of understand how I 74 00:03:58,161 --> 00:04:01,601 Speaker 1: can get into the club scene. An opportunity presented itself. 75 00:04:01,801 --> 00:04:06,601 Speaker 1: Did that for about two years eighteen till about I 76 00:04:06,641 --> 00:04:09,321 Speaker 1: was twenty. And you're confident now with DJing, you're you're 77 00:04:09,361 --> 00:04:12,281 Speaker 1: pretty confidence. No, not at all. I was learning and 78 00:04:12,321 --> 00:04:14,881 Speaker 1: hopefully Dave listens to this because I just reconnected with him. 79 00:04:14,961 --> 00:04:17,961 Speaker 1: So Dave Marini was the head DJ at the time, 80 00:04:18,361 --> 00:04:20,441 Speaker 1: and he taught me. He taught me how to beat mix. 81 00:04:20,441 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I put my own turntables, by CDs, all of that 82 00:04:23,001 --> 00:04:25,921 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and during that time in my tenure 83 00:04:26,001 --> 00:04:28,041 Speaker 1: over at Paramoted, at least I just started playing. I 84 00:04:28,041 --> 00:04:31,081 Speaker 1: was doing the lighting jock. Then he taught me how 85 00:04:31,121 --> 00:04:34,721 Speaker 1: to play. I'd do opening sets blah blah blah. But 86 00:04:34,841 --> 00:04:38,281 Speaker 1: in that transition period right up until Kicks Night Club 87 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: closed in Paramount Leagues, I used to start going to DCM. 88 00:04:42,721 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: So that would have been around about ninety seven ninety 89 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,361 Speaker 1: eight yep, So started going there. The city back then 90 00:04:51,761 --> 00:04:55,961 Speaker 1: was the place to be right, and that's where I 91 00:04:56,041 --> 00:04:58,681 Speaker 1: wanted to be. So I'd finished DJing, I'd finished the 92 00:04:58,761 --> 00:05:01,721 Speaker 1: lighting Jock, and then i'd it into Oxford Street and 93 00:05:01,721 --> 00:05:04,241 Speaker 1: then obviously the Cross and so forth. And so when 94 00:05:04,281 --> 00:05:07,481 Speaker 1: that sort of shot, I was like, Okay, how do 95 00:05:07,601 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: I now get into the city. And so the DCM 96 00:05:12,001 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: opportunity came after a while of playing at places like 97 00:05:15,721 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: the Lizard Lounge, Temple, Troy Holland did a little stint 98 00:05:20,841 --> 00:05:23,681 Speaker 1: over at Envy. Did you get them gigs from word 99 00:05:23,681 --> 00:05:27,401 Speaker 1: of mouth? Or what was he? Now? So back then 100 00:05:27,561 --> 00:05:31,561 Speaker 1: for me was literally just about going every single weekend 101 00:05:31,721 --> 00:05:36,521 Speaker 1: whenever I could write, just going to the clubs, meeting 102 00:05:36,561 --> 00:05:42,921 Speaker 1: the right people, partying, watching those incredible DJs, Kirk Jules, 103 00:05:43,201 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Stevie Cadell, all of them right, and I just wanted 104 00:05:47,241 --> 00:05:49,681 Speaker 1: to be there, and so I just go every single weekend, 105 00:05:49,721 --> 00:05:52,841 Speaker 1: Go go go, go, go. Every single opportunity, I would 106 00:05:52,921 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: start buying music, you know, I'd start listening to music, 107 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,281 Speaker 1: and you didn't have mobile phones like we do now. 108 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: You don't have Shazam. So you asked the DJ, you know, 109 00:06:02,241 --> 00:06:04,481 Speaker 1: what's that record? And then it'd be so bad. Right, 110 00:06:04,481 --> 00:06:07,721 Speaker 1: I'd finished partying, and then I'd wait to the record 111 00:06:07,761 --> 00:06:10,281 Speaker 1: stores would open up on Sunday mornings right over at 112 00:06:10,361 --> 00:06:12,961 Speaker 1: One Stop DJ, which was over at the Qualitie n 113 00:06:13,001 --> 00:06:16,121 Speaker 1: if you remember. So that would open up on a 114 00:06:16,161 --> 00:06:18,241 Speaker 1: Sunday morning at late ten or eleven, and I don't 115 00:06:18,281 --> 00:06:22,241 Speaker 1: even slept, and so I'd go there and say, I'd 116 00:06:22,281 --> 00:06:24,361 Speaker 1: go and buy Happiness one because it was just a 117 00:06:24,401 --> 00:06:26,401 Speaker 1: huge student and I'd buy that record. I'd have a 118 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: little bit of money, be will intruly in another world, 119 00:06:29,521 --> 00:06:32,881 Speaker 1: buy the record, go home and then play it because 120 00:06:32,921 --> 00:06:35,561 Speaker 1: you just get so obsessed. And so then all of 121 00:06:35,601 --> 00:06:38,001 Speaker 1: a sudden, I got a gig at black Market, right, 122 00:06:38,041 --> 00:06:39,921 Speaker 1: so I did the whole Oxford sit thing. Then I 123 00:06:40,001 --> 00:06:43,601 Speaker 1: went to black Market, and then from that point on 124 00:06:43,841 --> 00:06:46,321 Speaker 1: people were starting to listen to me. I was doing 125 00:06:47,161 --> 00:06:52,241 Speaker 1: mix tapes, actual proper sets. I've got four or five 126 00:06:52,521 --> 00:06:55,201 Speaker 1: still at home in a very special place because they 127 00:06:55,201 --> 00:06:59,001 Speaker 1: were the demo. So I do twenty or three copyed 128 00:06:59,001 --> 00:07:02,001 Speaker 1: demos and I would just send them out to people. 129 00:07:02,201 --> 00:07:05,561 Speaker 1: And I still remember once I started playing at the 130 00:07:05,561 --> 00:07:08,361 Speaker 1: Black Market over at day Club, then people started to 131 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,481 Speaker 1: recognize it. I was starting to work alongside Juweles and 132 00:07:11,561 --> 00:07:14,921 Speaker 1: Milton and all these incredible people. But I still remember 133 00:07:14,961 --> 00:07:18,561 Speaker 1: that day. I still remember the day that I got 134 00:07:18,641 --> 00:07:22,201 Speaker 1: asked to do an opening set at DCM, and I'll 135 00:07:22,361 --> 00:07:25,761 Speaker 1: still remember the day that I got to play and 136 00:07:25,801 --> 00:07:28,401 Speaker 1: do that opening because there were six hours. Yeah, you know, 137 00:07:28,641 --> 00:07:31,321 Speaker 1: you'd start at nine and ten and you'd go to 138 00:07:31,401 --> 00:07:34,401 Speaker 1: three and then four and then the next DJ would 139 00:07:34,401 --> 00:07:37,241 Speaker 1: come and play. But yeah, that really just changed my 140 00:07:37,321 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: life and my trajectory in terms of my passion for music. 141 00:07:40,761 --> 00:07:43,321 Speaker 2: And have you ever been there, like like, would you 142 00:07:43,321 --> 00:07:45,401 Speaker 2: get intimidate to buy someone that you looked up to 143 00:07:45,441 --> 00:07:47,761 Speaker 2: in the and DJ world when you were first starting? 144 00:07:48,361 --> 00:07:51,441 Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I don't know, Like DCM was an 145 00:07:51,441 --> 00:07:54,441 Speaker 1: incredible place for all of us, and it was part 146 00:07:54,481 --> 00:07:58,401 Speaker 1: of my learning ground to music and DJing and partying. 147 00:07:58,561 --> 00:08:02,201 Speaker 1: Because it's so hard to describe it. When you're on 148 00:08:02,241 --> 00:08:06,161 Speaker 1: that dance floor, that screen comes to the laser, all 149 00:08:06,201 --> 00:08:09,321 Speaker 1: of a sudden starts going those bass bins. People are 150 00:08:09,401 --> 00:08:13,201 Speaker 1: dancing around you. You've got those incredible podiums, and you 151 00:08:13,201 --> 00:08:16,521 Speaker 1: can just feel this music right, you just feel it. 152 00:08:17,041 --> 00:08:20,161 Speaker 1: You just get mesmerized, and then looking up and going 153 00:08:20,161 --> 00:08:23,841 Speaker 1: who's playing? And you know when certain djls would jump 154 00:08:23,881 --> 00:08:25,801 Speaker 1: on in those transitions, because you can just tell on 155 00:08:25,881 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: that music. But when I had that opportunity to play 156 00:08:29,321 --> 00:08:32,601 Speaker 1: before or after Jewels or Stevie or Kirk in those 157 00:08:32,641 --> 00:08:37,321 Speaker 1: early days, man, I would shake like a leave just nervous, 158 00:08:37,321 --> 00:08:40,921 Speaker 1: nervousness around, not wanting to do a mistake and fail, 159 00:08:41,201 --> 00:08:44,281 Speaker 1: but nervousness as well, because these are your idols. These 160 00:08:44,321 --> 00:08:46,441 Speaker 1: are people that you looked up to, and anybody that 161 00:08:46,481 --> 00:08:49,401 Speaker 1: you look up to, I feel you always have that 162 00:08:49,521 --> 00:08:52,081 Speaker 1: sense and not intimidation, but that oh my god, that's 163 00:08:52,121 --> 00:08:54,161 Speaker 1: in your cummings man, like I don't want to, I 164 00:08:54,161 --> 00:08:56,721 Speaker 1: don't want to do anything bad, or I don't want 165 00:08:56,761 --> 00:08:59,361 Speaker 1: to I want to really perform morell and so, and 166 00:08:59,401 --> 00:09:01,281 Speaker 1: then you've got like, don't forget it, you had you 167 00:09:01,281 --> 00:09:05,481 Speaker 1: know a thousand people, how many people there all looking 168 00:09:05,521 --> 00:09:09,961 Speaker 1: at you, mostly not really giving a damn. But but 169 00:09:10,001 --> 00:09:13,041 Speaker 1: I think they did. But you also just know that 170 00:09:13,361 --> 00:09:16,681 Speaker 1: you could really stuff up. You press stop on a 171 00:09:16,721 --> 00:09:20,681 Speaker 1: song that's playing, you'll get told very quickly how bad 172 00:09:20,761 --> 00:09:23,441 Speaker 1: you are, you know, So you also have that, and 173 00:09:23,481 --> 00:09:25,041 Speaker 1: you also got to think about, you know what I've 174 00:09:25,041 --> 00:09:27,121 Speaker 1: got to play for. I don't know two, three, four five, 175 00:09:27,401 --> 00:09:30,001 Speaker 1: You know, I'm most of the sets these days. When 176 00:09:30,001 --> 00:09:32,081 Speaker 1: I play, it's like an hour, right like that, Then 177 00:09:32,161 --> 00:09:35,641 Speaker 1: you're doing four, five, six, eight. I do nine hour sets. 178 00:09:37,081 --> 00:09:39,041 Speaker 1: Now you're like, and you have to think about that 179 00:09:39,121 --> 00:09:41,761 Speaker 1: journey now it's for me. It's just so different. So 180 00:09:42,441 --> 00:09:46,441 Speaker 1: answer your question. Yes, very intimidated, very nervous, but also 181 00:09:46,561 --> 00:09:47,081 Speaker 1: very excited. 182 00:09:47,281 --> 00:09:49,281 Speaker 2: Did you ever look at the crowd when you're playing 183 00:09:49,361 --> 00:09:51,681 Speaker 2: or is it just always concentrating on you? Because I 184 00:09:51,801 --> 00:09:53,721 Speaker 2: always want to know if that these is actually seeing 185 00:09:53,721 --> 00:09:54,601 Speaker 2: what's going on over there. 186 00:09:54,721 --> 00:09:59,041 Speaker 1: It's a great question. I'm a very excitable person, and 187 00:09:59,161 --> 00:10:02,961 Speaker 1: I think I feed off that energy of people. So 188 00:10:03,361 --> 00:10:06,521 Speaker 1: I love to interact. Putting up your hands in the 189 00:10:06,521 --> 00:10:10,001 Speaker 1: air and enjoying yourself is just part of my personality. 190 00:10:10,041 --> 00:10:13,561 Speaker 1: Other people are very different. I like to know that 191 00:10:13,841 --> 00:10:17,041 Speaker 1: you're having a great time, and I'm part of making 192 00:10:17,121 --> 00:10:19,801 Speaker 1: that night a great night because of the music that 193 00:10:19,841 --> 00:10:22,801 Speaker 1: I'm playing. Yes, sometimes you can get a little bit 194 00:10:23,001 --> 00:10:26,001 Speaker 1: buried in terms of what's happening, but you know, sometimes 195 00:10:26,041 --> 00:10:28,001 Speaker 1: you just got to just go with the flow, enjoy 196 00:10:28,081 --> 00:10:31,001 Speaker 1: the experience, see people having a great time, And that 197 00:10:31,041 --> 00:10:33,481 Speaker 1: for me was probably one of the biggest reasons why 198 00:10:33,721 --> 00:10:37,201 Speaker 1: I enjoyed what I did and probably why now the 199 00:10:37,201 --> 00:10:39,681 Speaker 1: thing that I miss, you know, like just seeing people 200 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:42,081 Speaker 1: have a good time something that I don't do as 201 00:10:42,121 --> 00:10:44,481 Speaker 1: often as I used to, So when I get to 202 00:10:44,521 --> 00:10:46,041 Speaker 1: do it, it's pretty special. 203 00:10:46,361 --> 00:10:47,721 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's ever happened to you, but 204 00:10:48,001 --> 00:10:49,921 Speaker 2: say the big names are before you, right, and you're 205 00:10:49,961 --> 00:10:51,681 Speaker 2: coming on to do a set now, and you've got 206 00:10:51,681 --> 00:10:54,721 Speaker 2: to come on after these people. Yeah, is it hard 207 00:10:54,721 --> 00:10:56,921 Speaker 2: to keep that crowd on that dance floor knowing that 208 00:10:57,041 --> 00:10:59,121 Speaker 2: all that crowd were there, and if you see if 209 00:10:59,161 --> 00:11:02,201 Speaker 2: you leave and leaving, how does that make you feel? 210 00:11:02,601 --> 00:11:07,441 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think yes is a short answer. You've got 211 00:11:07,441 --> 00:11:10,801 Speaker 1: to do your homework. I always think if you're playing, 212 00:11:11,001 --> 00:11:15,041 Speaker 1: and depending on what time you're playing, who's playing before you, 213 00:11:15,041 --> 00:11:17,601 Speaker 1: You've got to do a bit of homework around how 214 00:11:17,641 --> 00:11:20,121 Speaker 1: people are going to feel at that time. You're always 215 00:11:20,121 --> 00:11:22,201 Speaker 1: going to lose people, especially if it's really later on 216 00:11:22,281 --> 00:11:24,561 Speaker 1: in the morning and they've been going out for a while. 217 00:11:25,161 --> 00:11:28,721 Speaker 1: So it's about understanding that journey, the time of what 218 00:11:28,761 --> 00:11:30,441 Speaker 1: you need to do, what sort of music you're going 219 00:11:30,521 --> 00:11:32,801 Speaker 1: to play. Do you keep on that trajectory, do you 220 00:11:32,841 --> 00:11:35,361 Speaker 1: slow things down a little bit, do you change pace? 221 00:11:35,921 --> 00:11:38,201 Speaker 1: Because you's got to think, you know what, back then, 222 00:11:38,361 --> 00:11:40,881 Speaker 1: when you've still got another five or six hours to go, 223 00:11:41,561 --> 00:11:43,721 Speaker 1: you've got to sort of put in the time and 224 00:11:43,841 --> 00:11:46,961 Speaker 1: nurture the floor back then. Also, you're also got to 225 00:11:47,041 --> 00:11:50,081 Speaker 1: remember you've got a second hit of another crowd coming 226 00:11:50,121 --> 00:11:52,241 Speaker 1: around out. So if I'm doing a three or four 227 00:11:52,321 --> 00:11:54,881 Speaker 1: or five o'clock in the morning set, I know that 228 00:11:55,681 --> 00:11:58,241 Speaker 1: you know, Envy up the road or temple or liquid 229 00:11:58,241 --> 00:12:01,681 Speaker 1: across the road or places across, they're closing and so 230 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:05,281 Speaker 1: they're coming to us. As you would remember, you us 231 00:12:05,321 --> 00:12:07,081 Speaker 1: know that you've got to sort of grind it to 232 00:12:07,121 --> 00:12:10,441 Speaker 1: that particular point, keep whatever you can, but know that 233 00:12:10,481 --> 00:12:13,161 Speaker 1: you're going to get a fresh bunch of that other 234 00:12:13,201 --> 00:12:16,601 Speaker 1: crowd to come through. So doing that homework, doing that research, 235 00:12:16,721 --> 00:12:19,841 Speaker 1: trying to understand and you know, as DJs back then 236 00:12:19,881 --> 00:12:23,401 Speaker 1: you're buying for me, buying lots of vinyl. You're so 237 00:12:23,561 --> 00:12:26,441 Speaker 1: eager to go, Okay, great, I know Kirk or Jewels 238 00:12:26,521 --> 00:12:28,521 Speaker 1: or Stevie or Keller. I'm going to have they. So 239 00:12:28,721 --> 00:12:32,081 Speaker 1: I've got a really robust set at least for that 240 00:12:32,161 --> 00:12:35,721 Speaker 1: first hour, so I can test excite that crowd and 241 00:12:35,721 --> 00:12:39,001 Speaker 1: hopefully keep them in a little bit longer, but also 242 00:12:39,081 --> 00:12:40,641 Speaker 1: have some more stuff to play a little bit later 243 00:12:40,641 --> 00:12:43,601 Speaker 1: on what you prefer opening the set or closing the set? 244 00:12:45,721 --> 00:12:54,841 Speaker 1: These days want to be plus ten o'clock eight pm? 245 00:12:55,281 --> 00:12:57,641 Speaker 2: Is it easier to do the opening set because people 246 00:12:58,041 --> 00:13:00,841 Speaker 2: are just starting in the club compared to closed that 247 00:13:00,921 --> 00:13:03,481 Speaker 2: set where they're fucking off their face and they're ready 248 00:13:03,521 --> 00:13:04,041 Speaker 2: to go home. 249 00:13:05,681 --> 00:13:08,961 Speaker 1: It takes two different skill sets, so meaning that if 250 00:13:09,041 --> 00:13:13,441 Speaker 1: you the opening set is really magical because you're creating 251 00:13:14,201 --> 00:13:19,001 Speaker 1: the whole night. Yeah, so I think there's something magical, 252 00:13:19,161 --> 00:13:24,681 Speaker 1: Like everything's fresh, there's no glasses around, like you know, 253 00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:27,841 Speaker 1: the bar staff is still just walking around, there's nobody there. 254 00:13:27,881 --> 00:13:30,441 Speaker 1: The lights are just very casual, like it's beautiful and 255 00:13:30,921 --> 00:13:33,601 Speaker 1: seeing it's like, I don't know, you know, let's use 256 00:13:33,601 --> 00:13:37,041 Speaker 1: an example of a book, right, you love writing your books, 257 00:13:37,081 --> 00:13:40,241 Speaker 1: and congratulations by the way, and the success of the book. 258 00:13:40,281 --> 00:13:44,721 Speaker 1: But you look at all these blank pages and then 259 00:13:44,961 --> 00:13:47,921 Speaker 1: after days, after months, or however long it takes you, 260 00:13:48,041 --> 00:13:51,481 Speaker 1: all of a sudden have got this beautiful letters of 261 00:13:51,521 --> 00:13:55,081 Speaker 1: words in this really sort of full book. When you 262 00:13:55,161 --> 00:13:56,961 Speaker 1: first start, you think, god, wow, you know, I mean, 263 00:13:57,001 --> 00:13:58,641 Speaker 1: here we go and we start that journey. It's the 264 00:13:58,641 --> 00:14:01,361 Speaker 1: same with dejaying and music and doing that start of 265 00:14:01,401 --> 00:14:04,921 Speaker 1: that night and just seeing people come through and just 266 00:14:05,081 --> 00:14:07,361 Speaker 1: letting people go, oh my god, yeah, I like that 267 00:14:07,441 --> 00:14:10,761 Speaker 1: tum because they go from sitting down having a dream 268 00:14:10,881 --> 00:14:13,841 Speaker 1: talking to all right, you know, we're ready to dance. 269 00:14:13,841 --> 00:14:17,641 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden you won ten one hundred 270 00:14:17,681 --> 00:14:19,761 Speaker 1: and two hundred people, and all of a sudden you've 271 00:14:19,761 --> 00:14:22,441 Speaker 1: just got a full floor. There's something pretty special about 272 00:14:22,441 --> 00:14:26,801 Speaker 1: that flip side of that, though, it's something amazing Like 273 00:14:26,841 --> 00:14:28,921 Speaker 1: I did a close set, Like my god, I did 274 00:14:28,921 --> 00:14:31,241 Speaker 1: a close at six am, five to six am at 275 00:14:31,241 --> 00:14:33,921 Speaker 1: a techno club called Black Noah not far up from 276 00:14:33,961 --> 00:14:37,641 Speaker 1: Oxford Street. There is something pretty amazing for people to 277 00:14:37,721 --> 00:14:41,041 Speaker 1: still be out at that time and stand back and 278 00:14:41,361 --> 00:14:44,401 Speaker 1: give you a huge round of applause at the end. 279 00:14:44,441 --> 00:14:47,081 Speaker 1: When you do that last song because they are just 280 00:14:47,241 --> 00:14:51,041 Speaker 1: like they'rein and just seeing that type of excitement is 281 00:14:51,121 --> 00:14:53,361 Speaker 1: really magical because you're there at the end of that 282 00:14:53,401 --> 00:14:58,001 Speaker 1: particular experience. Whereas seeing something from nothing to something is 283 00:14:58,041 --> 00:15:00,401 Speaker 1: pretty cool, but also seeing the end of something pretty 284 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:04,441 Speaker 1: special is equally amazing. What do you think that because 285 00:15:04,481 --> 00:15:08,761 Speaker 1: of your old school all right? No, I like to 286 00:15:08,801 --> 00:15:15,041 Speaker 1: think that. Please old school DJ. Okay, let's get that right. 287 00:15:15,641 --> 00:15:17,561 Speaker 2: But don't you think like it if I knew that 288 00:15:17,601 --> 00:15:20,041 Speaker 2: you'll go to a club to play, I'll be honest 289 00:15:20,081 --> 00:15:22,921 Speaker 2: with you right now. I don't know any DJs in 290 00:15:22,961 --> 00:15:26,081 Speaker 2: this generation, modern time, like, I really don't know, especially 291 00:15:26,081 --> 00:15:27,561 Speaker 2: in the in the in the nightclub scene. 292 00:15:27,601 --> 00:15:28,001 Speaker 1: I don't know. 293 00:15:28,681 --> 00:15:31,361 Speaker 2: But all you guys you know that were at DC's 294 00:15:31,401 --> 00:15:33,681 Speaker 2: and at the Cross Oxford Street. 295 00:15:33,841 --> 00:15:35,681 Speaker 1: You know, I know you all. I can, I can. 296 00:15:35,761 --> 00:15:37,401 Speaker 1: I can fucking go twenty off my head. 297 00:15:37,481 --> 00:15:39,881 Speaker 2: But if I know that you're going to be a club, 298 00:15:39,921 --> 00:15:41,801 Speaker 2: and even if it's at fucking four o'clock in the morning, 299 00:15:42,121 --> 00:15:44,321 Speaker 2: I'm going to go and see Mickey D old school DJ. 300 00:15:44,641 --> 00:15:46,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to listen to his shoes again. Best 301 00:15:46,521 --> 00:15:53,281 Speaker 1: DJ by the way, Okay, correct, we'll give you that everybody. 302 00:15:53,601 --> 00:15:57,041 Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying, Like, so people who are 303 00:15:57,041 --> 00:15:58,601 Speaker 2: going to be in that club where you just mentioned, 304 00:15:59,161 --> 00:16:01,001 Speaker 2: I would stick around if I know that you're going 305 00:16:01,001 --> 00:16:03,001 Speaker 2: to come on set, because I haven't fucking heard you 306 00:16:03,081 --> 00:16:06,921 Speaker 2: play for years. Compare to some other one who's just starting, 307 00:16:07,441 --> 00:16:08,761 Speaker 2: you know, he's wet beyond the ears. 308 00:16:09,161 --> 00:16:12,321 Speaker 1: I'm going to go on yeah, and look there's whilst 309 00:16:12,361 --> 00:16:14,921 Speaker 1: I don't go out, I still listen to a lot 310 00:16:14,961 --> 00:16:19,081 Speaker 1: of DJs, like usually on Sound Club, which I'm on YouTube. 311 00:16:19,481 --> 00:16:22,521 Speaker 1: You know, like obviously post covid, you know, so much 312 00:16:22,561 --> 00:16:25,321 Speaker 1: came out. You know, tweet you can use. So I 313 00:16:25,361 --> 00:16:31,321 Speaker 1: think there's a huge array of content and ways and 314 00:16:31,401 --> 00:16:34,721 Speaker 1: means to be able to see these guys, and they're 315 00:16:34,761 --> 00:16:38,441 Speaker 1: all incredible, like everybody is. You know. The way that 316 00:16:38,521 --> 00:16:42,161 Speaker 1: this has moved is just unbelievable. It's sort of the 317 00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:44,521 Speaker 1: same like you if there's something that you like and 318 00:16:44,561 --> 00:16:47,001 Speaker 1: you got to remember it, let's put your mind in 319 00:16:47,081 --> 00:16:50,361 Speaker 1: a twenties, late twenties, early thirty year old. They know 320 00:16:50,441 --> 00:16:52,601 Speaker 1: what they want to tend to go and see, and 321 00:16:52,601 --> 00:16:55,201 Speaker 1: they'll go and do what you and I used to do. 322 00:16:56,001 --> 00:17:00,081 Speaker 1: I just feel like you've just got so much choice, 323 00:17:00,521 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: not necessarily from a clubbing perspective, but festivals, right, Like, 324 00:17:04,681 --> 00:17:07,801 Speaker 1: you know, they just had Alterra Australia here on the 325 00:17:07,801 --> 00:17:10,081 Speaker 1: weekend and you know, and Travel out of Melbourne did 326 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: an incredible job. So there's a lot more of that 327 00:17:12,921 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: international stuff. But what I what I'm finding at the 328 00:17:15,921 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: moment is that there's a lot of those big international 329 00:17:19,681 --> 00:17:22,121 Speaker 1: brands that are coming here to Australia, which a lot 330 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: of the let's say the kids, the kids are going to, 331 00:17:25,521 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: which I think is fantastic. Back in our day sounds 332 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,921 Speaker 1: terribly old. Back in our day, we just didn't have 333 00:17:32,001 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: that much choice, so things like the DCM was huge. 334 00:17:35,481 --> 00:17:38,161 Speaker 1: You know, obviously wild Off all those great things were amazing, 335 00:17:38,681 --> 00:17:42,521 Speaker 1: but they used to use you guys correct, Yeah, so 336 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: that was really lucky. But now that you know, James 337 00:17:46,681 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: Hype or Dom Dollar or you know, all these incredible DJs, 338 00:17:50,961 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: they've got huge followings, massive, massive pool. You know, technology 339 00:17:55,961 --> 00:17:58,041 Speaker 1: is just really taking up to that next stage. So 340 00:17:58,241 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think the current generation is lucky. The 341 00:18:02,241 --> 00:18:04,561 Speaker 1: sport for choice, which is great. They can do their 342 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:06,761 Speaker 1: research so you can watch. They don't even have to 343 00:18:06,761 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: go nightclubbing. You have your own party at your house, 344 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: bring a bunch of people, have an incredible sound system, 345 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: and away you go looking into YouTube. Bang, you know, 346 00:18:16,241 --> 00:18:18,521 Speaker 1: you can watch Coachella, which was on on the weekend. 347 00:18:19,201 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: They don't need to do anything, right, so all of 348 00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff can literally be to you or 349 00:18:24,201 --> 00:18:26,881 Speaker 1: a lot of those things are just being coming to Australia. Now, 350 00:18:27,001 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: do you prefer festivals or the clubs? Oh prefer my home? 351 00:18:33,761 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: I prefer yeah, yeah, So I think this is just 352 00:18:40,001 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: a whole different vibe. It's a very different vibe. Like 353 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: I still love the intimacy of a nice small club 354 00:18:46,201 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: and seeing that DJ or the music though I enjoy, 355 00:18:50,761 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: Like I said, I did this venue the other day, 356 00:18:52,921 --> 00:18:55,281 Speaker 1: Black Noir and you know, holds a couple hundred people 357 00:18:55,321 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: and it's just wild. It's so good. The sound system 358 00:18:59,001 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: is great there, the music is what I love and 359 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: it's very intimate. But then again, you know, like if 360 00:19:04,441 --> 00:19:07,321 Speaker 1: you see like a huge festival and it's twenty thousand people, 361 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: thirty thousand people, like I said, actually played in Melbourne 362 00:19:10,681 --> 00:19:13,841 Speaker 1: the other day part of Swedish South Mafia, unreal, right, 363 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: you just but very different, big, open, crazy, all that 364 00:19:18,481 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, right, So it just depends on how 365 00:19:20,801 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: you feel at the time, what you know, So the 366 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,481 Speaker 1: time you're going to invest you know, because those things, 367 00:19:25,561 --> 00:19:28,321 Speaker 1: you know, you spend so much money, and yeah, they're 368 00:19:28,441 --> 00:19:31,681 Speaker 1: for hours, like a long time. And if I'm out, 369 00:19:31,761 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: I'd much prefer to be out during the day and 370 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: come home at a decent time rather than you know, 371 00:19:36,721 --> 00:19:39,001 Speaker 1: starting late at the night and then coming back home 372 00:19:39,041 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: and the sun's coming up. No. Thanks. 373 00:19:41,441 --> 00:19:43,321 Speaker 2: Well, before we get into other clubs that you've worked 374 00:19:43,321 --> 00:19:46,001 Speaker 2: at and you've performed that, let's go back to DCS 375 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: where you now you become a permanent resident. 376 00:19:49,281 --> 00:19:51,521 Speaker 1: What was the feeling there to be a permanent resident 377 00:19:51,521 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: at a. 378 00:19:51,721 --> 00:19:54,321 Speaker 2: Club that you've wanted to work out for, you know, 379 00:19:54,481 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: years beforehand. 380 00:19:55,721 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Was that your goal to work there? It was? Yeah, 381 00:19:58,761 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: it just it was a number one club in if 382 00:20:01,281 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: not Home night club because Homelke Club was its arrival 383 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, so Home wasn't around when I 384 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: was with and by the time Home was because I was, 385 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: I was. I was fortunate enough to have been at 386 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: d CM. I'd clubbed there for years, I was playing there. 387 00:20:16,761 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: It was packed, it was great, I was doing so. 388 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: I'm not talking at what makes DC so special? What 389 00:20:23,241 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: makes it stand out more than all the other fucking clubs? 390 00:20:26,561 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: Well, I think for me it was and just going 391 00:20:29,921 --> 00:20:32,241 Speaker 1: back to that memory, like it was the best club 392 00:20:32,241 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: at the time, right, And there's a lot of better 393 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: clubs today. Technology has gone the other way and it's incredible. 394 00:20:39,481 --> 00:20:42,281 Speaker 1: But for that I just felt comfortable, right. I knew 395 00:20:42,281 --> 00:20:46,561 Speaker 1: the music, you knew so many people. You'd say hello 396 00:20:46,721 --> 00:20:50,761 Speaker 1: to people, right, and everybody at that moment and that era, 397 00:20:50,921 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: we were just happy. Everyone's happy. Don't like a big family. 398 00:20:55,681 --> 00:20:58,001 Speaker 1: There's always political stuff and there's always bad stuff. But 399 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,561 Speaker 1: I'd go there, and because I clubbed there for so 400 00:21:01,681 --> 00:21:04,321 Speaker 1: long before I became a DJ, you knew about it. 401 00:21:04,481 --> 00:21:06,401 Speaker 1: You just knew. And then all of a sudden, when 402 00:21:06,441 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: I started dating there, all of I'm just eating to 403 00:21:08,921 --> 00:21:12,321 Speaker 1: my family, to my friends and to that made it 404 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: more magical. So then all of a sudden, it's just 405 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: you're there every weekend getting paid doing something that you love. 406 00:21:18,921 --> 00:21:22,681 Speaker 1: And that to me was just incredible. But what makes 407 00:21:22,721 --> 00:21:25,801 Speaker 1: the club incredible outside of people and all of that, mate, 408 00:21:25,801 --> 00:21:31,081 Speaker 1: that sound system, that laser show, you just felt like 409 00:21:31,201 --> 00:21:34,041 Speaker 1: you were in the middle of this warm bas bin 410 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:37,961 Speaker 1: of just sensory It's just such an overload, and there 411 00:21:38,001 --> 00:21:39,721 Speaker 1: was nothing like it at the time, and I had 412 00:21:39,761 --> 00:21:43,521 Speaker 1: been doing every single nightclub in all of Sydney. I 413 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: was touring a lot all around Australia and there was 414 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:50,761 Speaker 1: just nothing like it. So weird. Unless you had lived 415 00:21:50,761 --> 00:21:53,801 Speaker 1: that time when I did together, you would just not 416 00:21:53,921 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: know anything different. What's your best memory? When you were 417 00:21:57,761 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: asking me that question, the big thing that sort of 418 00:22:00,921 --> 00:22:04,681 Speaker 1: popped into my mind was two thousand, So I did 419 00:22:05,041 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: and your change, you know, like if you think about 420 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:14,721 Speaker 1: generational change from nineteen nineteen ninety two thousand. I was there, 421 00:22:15,281 --> 00:22:18,561 Speaker 1: you know, I played sort of that middle set just 422 00:22:18,681 --> 00:22:22,521 Speaker 1: after it clocked over twelve o'clock when it became two thousand, 423 00:22:23,561 --> 00:22:26,281 Speaker 1: Like when you just bottle that up for a moment. 424 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,481 Speaker 1: It was packed, it was busy. We thought that all 425 00:22:29,521 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: of the computer systems and everything was shut down, like 426 00:22:32,961 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: you thought everything was just going to be done, you know, 427 00:22:36,281 --> 00:22:38,761 Speaker 1: like I was getting paid a fortune to be there, 428 00:22:39,281 --> 00:22:41,001 Speaker 1: and we didn't know if we were going to be alive, 429 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: like maybe you know, like the stories of the story, right, 430 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: but we're all there, and I'm like, it's twenty twenty 431 00:22:48,921 --> 00:22:52,041 Speaker 1: five now and I'm still here. But if you think 432 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: about that moment, the amount of pressure when people are saying, 433 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, you got to do this, and blah blah 434 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: blah and all of that, like to have been there 435 00:23:01,801 --> 00:23:06,481 Speaker 1: at that particular moment in time, because everybody that's listening 436 00:23:06,521 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: to this now right, some people were obviously born at 437 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: that particular stage, and none of us are going to 438 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: be a live by the time it clicks over to 439 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: three thousand. It's just wild to have thought that I 440 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,201 Speaker 1: had been there the second probably moment. And I talked 441 00:23:22,481 --> 00:23:24,361 Speaker 1: a lot about when people ask me, like your most 442 00:23:24,441 --> 00:23:29,721 Speaker 1: memorable moments just in general, was Marti gras So two thousand, 443 00:23:29,801 --> 00:23:33,561 Speaker 1: Marti gras So two thousand played at DCM did nineteen 444 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: ninety nine to two thousand changed over? Marti gras happens. 445 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,801 Speaker 1: I got asked by Troy Holland. He had set up 446 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: this ridiculous setup in front of Lizard Lounge and it 447 00:23:44,681 --> 00:23:46,761 Speaker 1: was Liquid nightclub at that stage, and we were up 448 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: high and they set up this DJ setup to the parade, 449 00:23:51,801 --> 00:23:55,281 Speaker 1: and when the parade finished, we were playing music. Troy 450 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: just goes, I want you to blast as much sound 451 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,681 Speaker 1: as you could. So there's me and Pete Mark who 452 00:24:00,721 --> 00:24:03,721 Speaker 1: was in another DJ at the time. We went okay, great, 453 00:24:03,761 --> 00:24:07,161 Speaker 1: no worries, started playing music, and then all of a sudden, 454 00:24:07,521 --> 00:24:11,281 Speaker 1: all of Oxford Street, right, I just got this incredible memory. 455 00:24:11,681 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: We're playing on this balcony, had this huge speaker stacking 456 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,161 Speaker 1: system playing Vinyl, and from one end of Oxford Street, 457 00:24:18,281 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: all the way up, going going up to that end, 458 00:24:20,481 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: and all the way going back down past the DCM, 459 00:24:23,721 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: just a street full of people. It was like hundreds 460 00:24:27,681 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: of thousands of people. For forty five minutes. All you 461 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,721 Speaker 1: could just see is like little Lands, hungry Jacks, was 462 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:39,001 Speaker 1: just packed, pack, just completely wild. One of the most 463 00:24:39,041 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: disappointed things is that I just didn't have a camera 464 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: or I didn't have a fun but that just in itself, 465 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,801 Speaker 1: like that whole street and the time and the life 466 00:24:48,801 --> 00:24:51,161 Speaker 1: that I'd given back to it was just it gave 467 00:24:51,201 --> 00:24:54,561 Speaker 1: me these enriching feelings of just incredibleness. So yeah, so 468 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,201 Speaker 1: too two very memorable. 469 00:24:56,241 --> 00:24:58,961 Speaker 2: But why why did you think d CMS is still 470 00:24:59,481 --> 00:25:02,681 Speaker 2: memorable in people's minds like this though? Like as you said, 471 00:25:02,721 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 2: like we'll get the probably three thousand and still people 472 00:25:06,681 --> 00:25:09,561 Speaker 2: are talking about it like it doesn't seem so, but 473 00:25:09,681 --> 00:25:12,121 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to ever lose its like its value. 474 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: It's the only thing in the world I know that 475 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,041 Speaker 2: the holds is fucking value. 476 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: It's really wild. 477 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: Like there are a few haters that go on, I'll 478 00:25:20,041 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: like to let DCMS go and I like that, But 479 00:25:21,681 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 2: the thing is, and it's I said this to everybody, 480 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: you had to try it even once people can bag 481 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,201 Speaker 2: it out, and I backed it out. I must admit 482 00:25:28,281 --> 00:25:29,801 Speaker 2: I backed it out. I used to sack a lot 483 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,241 Speaker 2: of my dormant from Yu and soho if they worked 484 00:25:32,241 --> 00:25:35,921 Speaker 2: it really yeah, that was my I sacked too, Yeah, 485 00:25:35,961 --> 00:25:38,361 Speaker 2: because they used to leave the shifts at three o'clock 486 00:25:38,441 --> 00:25:40,201 Speaker 2: to go down and do the shift down at DC's. 487 00:25:40,481 --> 00:25:42,401 Speaker 1: And when I found out this, I sacked them. 488 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,641 Speaker 2: I hated d C's at the time, but then as 489 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 2: I said, wed, Yeah, but it's just the name of 490 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,761 Speaker 2: it and the premises, the music and the crowd just 491 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: forever keeps going and going and going, and it's like 492 00:25:56,761 --> 00:25:58,721 Speaker 2: it gets stronger each each year we talk about it. 493 00:25:58,721 --> 00:26:01,761 Speaker 1: It's a great question. I don't know, like it's for me. 494 00:26:01,801 --> 00:26:07,481 Speaker 1: It's obviously my era. It's something there that I intrinsically experienced. 495 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: You know. We talked a little bit about family and 496 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: knowing people and the music and the way it was 497 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,561 Speaker 1: you know represented, you know, all of those things and 498 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: those memories are just so very evident. So I don't know, 499 00:26:23,961 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: it's just like, well, Mickey, you got to look at it, 500 00:26:26,241 --> 00:26:27,361 Speaker 1: back down and look at them. 501 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,681 Speaker 2: But you've got Cuba, Biblos, Envy played all of them, 502 00:26:30,721 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: you know, you know, you've got to No one talks 503 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,921 Speaker 2: about them, Black Market. 504 00:26:34,681 --> 00:26:37,401 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they talk about that, But DC's everyone wants 505 00:26:37,441 --> 00:26:39,361 Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah. I just think there was this, 506 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, in the nineties, it just continued to grow 507 00:26:43,241 --> 00:26:46,321 Speaker 1: and just had this you know, sense of people could 508 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: just be their own identity, their own self and just 509 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: loved and enjoyed it. And you know, people would just 510 00:26:53,001 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: have these great moments and great memories. They meet people 511 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,001 Speaker 1: new people like me meeting you and meeting other clubs 512 00:26:59,041 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: and people there that love the same music. Right, and 513 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: you know this, I'm gonna make it. 514 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the hardest question you're 515 00:27:04,521 --> 00:27:08,721 Speaker 2: probably going to get nowt Okay, question, The question is right, 516 00:27:09,441 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: which DC's was better when John had it or before 517 00:27:13,001 --> 00:27:13,561 Speaker 2: John had it. 518 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,721 Speaker 1: Now, this is a debate that has come up with 519 00:27:15,801 --> 00:27:19,041 Speaker 1: me a lot. Yeah, So which one do you think 520 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,241 Speaker 1: was better? Both of them were great. I don't want 521 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:23,881 Speaker 1: to give you the political answer here. 522 00:27:26,241 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: And because I never I'm sorry, I did get to 523 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,641 Speaker 2: see before John had took over. 524 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: I partied did once. 525 00:27:32,761 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: I must admit I didn't like it because it was 526 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: partly a gay club too, you know what I mean. 527 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: So I didn't really like it. I didn't fit in, 528 00:27:39,521 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: but you know, it was the kind of music it 529 00:27:42,001 --> 00:27:44,441 Speaker 2: went off and like that. But the dcs that I 530 00:27:44,481 --> 00:27:47,281 Speaker 2: know and I've worked at, I liked. 531 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,041 Speaker 1: It, I think. But I think each of them have 532 00:27:49,281 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: got its moments, if I'm really honest, because you know, 533 00:27:52,521 --> 00:27:56,481 Speaker 1: I started piling there and let's just call it ninety 534 00:27:56,521 --> 00:27:59,641 Speaker 1: seven ninety eight, then started dayjaying from like ninety eight, 535 00:27:59,761 --> 00:28:02,201 Speaker 1: ninety nine, two thousand and then all the way right 536 00:28:02,241 --> 00:28:05,001 Speaker 1: up until I got closed. All of it had its 537 00:28:05,241 --> 00:28:09,041 Speaker 1: own moments of good and bad. You know, like even 538 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,801 Speaker 1: old DCM was not perfect. Let's be honest. You're always 539 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: going to have challenges, but each part like because for 540 00:28:16,521 --> 00:28:19,881 Speaker 1: me as a DJ, every year the crowd was changing, 541 00:28:20,201 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: and you change with the crowd. You as a DJ 542 00:28:23,481 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: have to recognize where your value stops. So I could 543 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: still play music that I love back in the late nineties, 544 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,321 Speaker 1: but then as the crowd changed in the early two thousand, 545 00:28:35,521 --> 00:28:38,041 Speaker 1: they didn't like that, right, So if that didn't sit 546 00:28:38,081 --> 00:28:41,321 Speaker 1: comfortably with me, then I would start thinking should I 547 00:28:41,361 --> 00:28:43,801 Speaker 1: be here, Do I need to change my style? Blah 548 00:28:43,841 --> 00:28:47,121 Speaker 1: blah blah. Right, But for me, I just like to evolve, 549 00:28:47,361 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: right Like even now when I play music, Yeah, I'll 550 00:28:50,001 --> 00:28:53,321 Speaker 1: play some old school stuff for certain events, but you know, 551 00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: even in the mixes that I'm doing, people go, I 552 00:28:56,201 --> 00:29:00,281 Speaker 1: don't like your new stuff. And that's completely fine that 553 00:29:00,361 --> 00:29:03,921 Speaker 1: some of the new stuff isn't geared to that old crowd. 554 00:29:05,121 --> 00:29:06,921 Speaker 1: All my old school stuff that I played and stuff 555 00:29:06,961 --> 00:29:09,921 Speaker 1: that I've shared with you, that's what they want to hear. Great, 556 00:29:10,121 --> 00:29:13,161 Speaker 1: but I won't continue to just keep on making old stuff. 557 00:29:13,161 --> 00:29:16,041 Speaker 1: There's only so much of that stuff that you can play. 558 00:29:16,401 --> 00:29:20,161 Speaker 1: But again, going back, there's no one or different that 559 00:29:20,961 --> 00:29:23,641 Speaker 1: when John OneD it became worse or you know that 560 00:29:23,721 --> 00:29:26,361 Speaker 1: was better. I just yeah, it was DC was DC 561 00:29:26,481 --> 00:29:28,641 Speaker 1: in formy, whether it was in the nineties or in 562 00:29:28,681 --> 00:29:29,521 Speaker 1: the two thousands. 563 00:29:29,641 --> 00:29:31,001 Speaker 2: I just like you do you think it do you 564 00:29:31,001 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: think when it got moved up to Havana that you 565 00:29:33,201 --> 00:29:35,121 Speaker 2: could tell it was it was lost its magic. 566 00:29:35,241 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: It did, yeah, yeah, But I think the biggest difference 567 00:29:37,521 --> 00:29:41,241 Speaker 1: when it got moved there was the club was smaller, right, 568 00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:44,921 Speaker 1: so it just became a lot more intimate. But a 569 00:29:44,921 --> 00:29:47,121 Speaker 1: lot of the old school people left because they didn't 570 00:29:47,161 --> 00:29:49,721 Speaker 1: want to come there, of course, and you're you're never 571 00:29:49,961 --> 00:29:51,641 Speaker 1: I think you've got to start drawing a line in 572 00:29:51,721 --> 00:29:56,121 Speaker 1: the sand on who you're going to appeal to as 573 00:29:56,201 --> 00:29:59,681 Speaker 1: things change. And even with the old school parties, right, 574 00:29:59,681 --> 00:30:01,641 Speaker 1: there's only so many people that are going to come out, like, 575 00:30:01,761 --> 00:30:03,721 Speaker 1: let's be honest, right, Like even me, I was saying 576 00:30:03,721 --> 00:30:06,801 Speaker 1: to you before, You're going to rarely see me out 577 00:30:06,801 --> 00:30:10,081 Speaker 1: at an event. I just, you know, I love the events, 578 00:30:10,081 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: and I appreciate the guys that are doing what they 579 00:30:12,281 --> 00:30:15,761 Speaker 1: are trying to do, but I'm just not that target audience. 580 00:30:15,801 --> 00:30:18,121 Speaker 1: You know. I value being at home. I value being 581 00:30:18,121 --> 00:30:21,041 Speaker 1: with my family, I value getting up in the morning, 582 00:30:21,961 --> 00:30:24,081 Speaker 1: even when I just you know, I did a house 583 00:30:24,161 --> 00:30:28,681 Speaker 1: party for a friend on Friday night and I left 584 00:30:28,681 --> 00:30:30,961 Speaker 1: there at seven point thirty pm because they were going 585 00:30:30,961 --> 00:30:32,601 Speaker 1: to Bloody John Summon and I didn't want to go 586 00:30:32,601 --> 00:30:35,201 Speaker 1: because I wanted to be home, and because I wanted 587 00:30:35,241 --> 00:30:39,281 Speaker 1: to wake up and feel normal and I have commitments 588 00:30:39,281 --> 00:30:42,321 Speaker 1: with my families. I'm like, no, I just I just 589 00:30:42,321 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: want to go home. Yeah, I just yeah. I value 590 00:30:44,961 --> 00:30:48,361 Speaker 1: that I did, you know, close to twenty years right, 591 00:30:48,761 --> 00:30:52,401 Speaker 1: just playing all of that and you know COVID. When 592 00:30:52,401 --> 00:30:56,401 Speaker 1: COVID was happening, it was nice because I was already 593 00:30:56,401 --> 00:30:59,921 Speaker 1: transitioning out, so it was nice to just go. You know, 594 00:31:00,121 --> 00:31:02,041 Speaker 1: I think there's time that I gave this a reckon. 595 00:31:02,041 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: I was slowing right down. How long did you give 596 00:31:04,201 --> 00:31:07,761 Speaker 1: it a break for? So COVID happened. Obviously I stopped 597 00:31:07,841 --> 00:31:10,321 Speaker 1: like most people did all the way through that particular period. 598 00:31:10,361 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: I was really slowing it down because I was like 599 00:31:12,241 --> 00:31:16,641 Speaker 1: playing a Bungaloway and so I see it Bungalow. It 600 00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:18,361 Speaker 1: is a couple of times. So I did like Bungaloway, 601 00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:22,721 Speaker 1: cargo both lounge, cargo, bar a. You want to enjoy it. 602 00:31:22,721 --> 00:31:25,601 Speaker 1: It's just like I think for me, I was just 603 00:31:25,681 --> 00:31:28,761 Speaker 1: getting tired, you know, like I had had my full 604 00:31:28,961 --> 00:31:32,641 Speaker 1: time job DJing well, I was still doing lots of stuff. 605 00:31:32,681 --> 00:31:34,401 Speaker 1: I was at Ivy for a bit, you know, I 606 00:31:34,441 --> 00:31:37,281 Speaker 1: was doing stuff over at the Casino. I was still 607 00:31:37,321 --> 00:31:41,161 Speaker 1: playing at lots of places, but for me, my value 608 00:31:41,281 --> 00:31:44,641 Speaker 1: as a DJ was not necessarily as my name anymore. 609 00:31:44,721 --> 00:31:47,921 Speaker 1: It was people were going to those places, so like 610 00:31:48,121 --> 00:31:52,161 Speaker 1: Cargo and Bungalow to go to party with their friends. 611 00:31:52,241 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: You know, it was a Hen's night or a bus 612 00:31:54,561 --> 00:31:57,761 Speaker 1: or something like that. So you're playing open format music, 613 00:31:57,761 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: which basically means I'm playing just party music. Yeah, And 614 00:32:01,281 --> 00:32:04,681 Speaker 1: I sort of felt I was just becoming a jukebox. Yeah. 615 00:32:04,721 --> 00:32:09,561 Speaker 1: And I was leaving home, yeah, thinking I don't want 616 00:32:09,601 --> 00:32:13,001 Speaker 1: to do this, and to me and to anybody, that's pain. 617 00:32:13,281 --> 00:32:16,841 Speaker 1: That's just not fair. Like I hadn't even started playing, 618 00:32:17,201 --> 00:32:19,001 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm pissed off from having 619 00:32:19,001 --> 00:32:22,201 Speaker 1: to go to work. So then it it started shifting 620 00:32:22,241 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: from being a DJ to going to a job, and 621 00:32:25,001 --> 00:32:28,281 Speaker 1: I just started losing that love and passion of why 622 00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:30,841 Speaker 1: I got into it. What was it like there on 623 00:32:30,841 --> 00:32:31,841 Speaker 1: the last day of disease? 624 00:32:33,001 --> 00:32:33,161 Speaker 3: Oh? 625 00:32:33,401 --> 00:32:39,761 Speaker 1: God? Emotional? Which one are you talking about one? Yeah? 626 00:32:39,881 --> 00:32:42,841 Speaker 1: Well I was there. I just I just think that 627 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: none of us thought that this was going to happen. 628 00:32:45,401 --> 00:32:47,921 Speaker 1: So it was just weird, right, like an end of 629 00:32:47,961 --> 00:32:51,081 Speaker 1: an era was happening. You know, you just felt and 630 00:32:51,201 --> 00:32:55,041 Speaker 1: look d CM was. It was struggling, you know, at 631 00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:58,281 Speaker 1: a particular time. I think it was just getting to 632 00:32:58,361 --> 00:33:03,201 Speaker 1: a particular point where the magic of what d CM 633 00:33:03,401 --> 00:33:05,681 Speaker 1: was was just eroding. So some had to make a 634 00:33:05,721 --> 00:33:08,561 Speaker 1: decision around Okay, well the crowd's not coming here. There 635 00:33:08,601 --> 00:33:10,881 Speaker 1: was a lot of competition. I think you were talking 636 00:33:10,921 --> 00:33:14,241 Speaker 1: about Home Nightclub, you know, lots of people were going 637 00:33:14,241 --> 00:33:16,801 Speaker 1: there at one stage. There was plenty of other places 638 00:33:16,841 --> 00:33:20,281 Speaker 1: that were on the horizon, and it just had done 639 00:33:20,321 --> 00:33:23,401 Speaker 1: its time. So I think it was just sad. It 640 00:33:23,441 --> 00:33:26,481 Speaker 1: was emotional. All of us were getting older, we were 641 00:33:26,481 --> 00:33:29,881 Speaker 1: all working at plenty of different places already, and it's 642 00:33:29,881 --> 00:33:33,041 Speaker 1: just like anything, you don't ever want anything to come 643 00:33:33,081 --> 00:33:35,321 Speaker 1: to an end, right, Everything's got to come to an 644 00:33:35,401 --> 00:33:37,921 Speaker 1: end at some point. So it's emotional and it's sad. 645 00:33:38,121 --> 00:33:42,681 Speaker 1: But I'm luckily enough I'm sitting here on a podcast 646 00:33:42,761 --> 00:33:46,881 Speaker 1: with you talking about this place that you know, you know, 647 00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: I started almost over twenty years ago. Like that to 648 00:33:50,321 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: me is magical, right for you to ask me to 649 00:33:53,521 --> 00:33:57,161 Speaker 1: talk about such an incredible memory is what now it's 650 00:33:57,201 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: giving back to me? 651 00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:02,321 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's how many clubs have you played hundreds. Yeah, 652 00:34:03,481 --> 00:34:06,401 Speaker 2: so you'd say that club that is the stand up 653 00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:08,401 Speaker 2: or is there any other club that stands out. 654 00:34:08,441 --> 00:34:09,081 Speaker 1: In your memory? 655 00:34:09,321 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 656 00:34:09,601 --> 00:34:12,561 Speaker 1: Like, I just think it was probably the one there 657 00:34:12,761 --> 00:34:17,241 Speaker 1: that I could. Yeah, and I think that was pretty big, right. 658 00:34:17,481 --> 00:34:21,081 Speaker 1: You know, back then we had things called three D World. 659 00:34:21,121 --> 00:34:24,041 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that, So you that 660 00:34:24,281 --> 00:34:27,081 Speaker 1: was your gig guy. You know, obviously the Internet was 661 00:34:27,081 --> 00:34:29,601 Speaker 1: sort of growing, but that was the old school. Okay, 662 00:34:30,161 --> 00:34:33,161 Speaker 1: where's Micky playing? You know what else is happening around? 663 00:34:33,681 --> 00:34:38,721 Speaker 1: So having that type of like culture, that's what was 664 00:34:38,721 --> 00:34:41,721 Speaker 1: really important to me at the time. Those are the 665 00:34:41,761 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: feelings there that wrapped up that was pretty special. There's 666 00:34:46,201 --> 00:34:48,721 Speaker 1: amazing clubs, right, Like you know, Markhi was great. I 667 00:34:48,761 --> 00:34:50,961 Speaker 1: was there for the I wasn't playing there, but I 668 00:34:50,961 --> 00:34:54,161 Speaker 1: was there for the for the opening. Ivy is pretty special. 669 00:34:54,241 --> 00:34:59,081 Speaker 1: Like all of these places have their fascination. But I'd 670 00:34:59,121 --> 00:35:01,961 Speaker 1: already been a very established DJO when I was already 671 00:35:02,001 --> 00:35:04,681 Speaker 1: doing those. So, you know, I think to your point, 672 00:35:05,881 --> 00:35:08,441 Speaker 1: because I really wanted to be at DCM. It was 673 00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:11,121 Speaker 1: the place that I was so young. It was a 674 00:35:11,201 --> 00:35:14,961 Speaker 1: huge goal of mine. All the rest were just the 675 00:35:15,001 --> 00:35:18,881 Speaker 1: successes of me playing at d CM and then all 676 00:35:18,881 --> 00:35:21,321 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, everything else just came and 677 00:35:21,441 --> 00:35:22,321 Speaker 1: rolled off the back of that. 678 00:35:22,801 --> 00:35:26,921 Speaker 2: You So now you're back in, You've refueled, got your 679 00:35:27,001 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: vibe by. 680 00:35:29,721 --> 00:35:33,961 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I got impacted in my corporate life I 681 00:35:34,001 --> 00:35:37,921 Speaker 1: sort of mid last year. And when that happened back 682 00:35:37,961 --> 00:35:41,081 Speaker 1: in sort of June, and I was looking for a 683 00:35:41,121 --> 00:35:44,041 Speaker 1: new job, I just had time. I had time to 684 00:35:44,161 --> 00:35:46,921 Speaker 1: think and reflect, and I didn't know what to do 685 00:35:47,001 --> 00:35:49,161 Speaker 1: with myself. You know, I've been in my corporate role 686 00:35:49,201 --> 00:35:52,361 Speaker 1: for almost twenty two years. That got impacted. I sort 687 00:35:52,361 --> 00:35:55,441 Speaker 1: of put music on the back burner, and when I 688 00:35:55,481 --> 00:35:57,401 Speaker 1: had nothing else to do, I just and I'd always 689 00:35:57,481 --> 00:36:00,401 Speaker 1: been tinkering around. I'm always tinkering around with stuff, and 690 00:36:00,521 --> 00:36:04,401 Speaker 1: music will never ever die, you know. But when the 691 00:36:04,441 --> 00:36:07,321 Speaker 1: opportunity sort of came up to just start reinvesting back 692 00:36:07,361 --> 00:36:10,161 Speaker 1: into listening to music and back into the studio doing 693 00:36:10,201 --> 00:36:13,801 Speaker 1: mixes again, sort of like, oh, this is all right, 694 00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:16,641 Speaker 1: you know, because but I'm not doing it a lot. 695 00:36:16,801 --> 00:36:20,041 Speaker 1: I'm just doing it at my own pace. I started 696 00:36:20,081 --> 00:36:22,961 Speaker 1: getting a bit busier towards the back end of last year, 697 00:36:22,961 --> 00:36:25,841 Speaker 1: and that was getting a little bit chaotic. Now that 698 00:36:25,881 --> 00:36:29,041 Speaker 1: I'm working again full time. I'm just trying to balancing out. 699 00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:32,121 Speaker 1: What I am loving though is still putting stuff together, 700 00:36:32,881 --> 00:36:36,281 Speaker 1: putting some mixes together, showing them out across my SoundCloud base, 701 00:36:36,721 --> 00:36:39,601 Speaker 1: back in the studio, doing some production work, but not 702 00:36:39,641 --> 00:36:42,041 Speaker 1: putting too much pressure on myself, doing it at my 703 00:36:42,081 --> 00:36:44,641 Speaker 1: own pace, and doing it because I love it, and 704 00:36:44,721 --> 00:36:48,161 Speaker 1: also doing it because it's actually people just enjoy listening 705 00:36:48,161 --> 00:36:52,241 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, or even just like at a gym session. Yes, 706 00:36:52,321 --> 00:36:54,281 Speaker 1: I used that in my gym band all the time. 707 00:36:54,801 --> 00:37:02,161 Speaker 1: And so any regrets, any regrets, I wish I probably 708 00:37:02,201 --> 00:37:05,921 Speaker 1: invested more on the production side. And when I'm about production, 709 00:37:06,761 --> 00:37:09,761 Speaker 1: you know, you had Alex recently, and you know he's 710 00:37:09,801 --> 00:37:12,201 Speaker 1: an incredible not only a great DJ or a great person, 711 00:37:12,201 --> 00:37:15,801 Speaker 1: but a great producer. I think he really owned you know, 712 00:37:15,881 --> 00:37:18,681 Speaker 1: that DONK sound back in the two thousand era, and 713 00:37:18,881 --> 00:37:22,241 Speaker 1: you know continues to do it incredibly well. Whish I'd 714 00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:26,441 Speaker 1: done more of that. It wasn't my forte you know, 715 00:37:26,561 --> 00:37:29,481 Speaker 1: I wrote stuff with Wheels from Sunset Brothers and a 716 00:37:29,521 --> 00:37:31,641 Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff with a bunch of different artists, 717 00:37:31,881 --> 00:37:34,921 Speaker 1: but that was with them doing a lot of the 718 00:37:35,001 --> 00:37:38,881 Speaker 1: controls and me giving my influence things that I liked. 719 00:37:39,001 --> 00:37:42,641 Speaker 1: So that's what I would have probably invested more into. 720 00:37:42,721 --> 00:37:45,801 Speaker 1: But other than that, man, I've had a wonderful career. 721 00:37:45,841 --> 00:37:48,201 Speaker 1: I'm still alive, you know. I mean, I've made it 722 00:37:48,241 --> 00:37:50,761 Speaker 1: through COVID like all of us. You know, I've got 723 00:37:50,761 --> 00:37:54,361 Speaker 1: a wonderful family. Now. I traveled the world. You know, 724 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:57,521 Speaker 1: it was rated like in the top fifty DJs in 725 00:37:57,601 --> 00:38:01,321 Speaker 1: Australia at one particular. I say, like all of those things, right, 726 00:38:01,561 --> 00:38:03,441 Speaker 1: get to hang I hang out with you, and I 727 00:38:03,561 --> 00:38:06,801 Speaker 1: still hang out with you. So yeah, Like I'm really 728 00:38:06,801 --> 00:38:10,241 Speaker 1: really blessed. Before we go, describe yourself in one word 729 00:38:11,721 --> 00:38:14,161 Speaker 1: or two if you need to. So funny that you're 730 00:38:14,201 --> 00:38:16,401 Speaker 1: asking me this, I'm actually working with a business coach 731 00:38:16,401 --> 00:38:19,921 Speaker 1: at the moment. It's just business close slash therapist because 732 00:38:19,961 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: a bit weird and we're starting to sort of get 733 00:38:23,001 --> 00:38:27,441 Speaker 1: some words around my values and so forth. I'd like 734 00:38:27,521 --> 00:38:31,041 Speaker 1: to think that respect and respectful are things there that 735 00:38:31,081 --> 00:38:35,841 Speaker 1: I want to continue to live by. And just being happy, bro, 736 00:38:36,201 --> 00:38:39,241 Speaker 1: Like just a good one, bro. Just to be happy, 737 00:38:39,321 --> 00:38:42,841 Speaker 1: but happy with in myself, happy with the people that 738 00:38:42,881 --> 00:38:46,521 Speaker 1: I work for and with, happy with my family, you know, 739 00:38:46,681 --> 00:38:49,921 Speaker 1: just just that, Bro, we have one life, right, so 740 00:38:50,681 --> 00:38:52,601 Speaker 1: just try and live it and the best way that 741 00:38:52,641 --> 00:38:53,041 Speaker 1: I can. 742 00:38:53,441 --> 00:38:56,121 Speaker 2: Well, So, bro, well you know what, Mickey, thanks you 743 00:38:56,161 --> 00:38:58,841 Speaker 2: for coming in. This is and I've loved that. The 744 00:38:58,921 --> 00:39:02,601 Speaker 2: memories of DC's and new playing. It's being fucking awesome. 745 00:39:02,801 --> 00:39:05,401 Speaker 1: Remember that you like that CD, right you just I'm 746 00:39:05,401 --> 00:39:07,641 Speaker 1: the only one I used to wait to the door 747 00:39:07,681 --> 00:39:10,561 Speaker 1: for to get a CDN. You tell and anybody listening, 748 00:39:10,921 --> 00:39:11,641 Speaker 1: never all these. 749 00:39:11,521 --> 00:39:13,081 Speaker 2: Other I'm not going to name the names because I'm 750 00:39:13,081 --> 00:39:15,161 Speaker 2: not gonna name them because they have not been on. 751 00:39:15,121 --> 00:39:18,601 Speaker 1: My podcast, so I'm not gonna plug them. Don't name them. 752 00:39:18,881 --> 00:39:22,041 Speaker 1: I'm here and I will be always your Thank you 753 00:39:22,081 --> 00:39:23,681 Speaker 1: so much. This is great. This is a lot of 754 00:39:23,761 --> 00:39:25,001 Speaker 1: fun and congratulations. 755 00:39:25,201 --> 00:39:40,681 Speaker 3: I know you're successful, brother, Thank you, leg you mate. 756 00:39:45,241 --> 00:39:45,281 Speaker 1: H