Speaker 1: Live on Sky News Australia. This is to Nika Di Giorgio.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight. Nationals
Speaker 2: MP's lash out at Barnaby Joyce as he mulls a
Speaker 2: possible defection to one nation. I'll be joined by Deputy
Speaker 2: Nationals Leader Kevin Hogan and Liberal Senator just Center Nampajim
Speaker 2: for price Muslim groups wants the definition of terrorism change
Speaker 2: to exclude religion and ideology. Do they just want us
Speaker 2: to ignore when phrases like aluakba are shouted during a
Speaker 2: terror attack.
Speaker 3: I'll have my say on.
Speaker 2: This shortly, and a royal author makes a startling revenue
Speaker 2: of a relation that Princess Diana would still be alive
Speaker 2: today had it not been for the infamous Martin.
Speaker 3: Basher BBC interview.
Speaker 2: I'll go live to London for the latest for first
Speaker 2: tonight Today. The Nationals are broken as the fallout from
Speaker 2: the resignation of the man who's been the party's heart
Speaker 2: and soul, Barnaby Joyce, continues and they're pulling out all
Speaker 2: the stocks, it seems, to try and reel him back in.
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan retweeted this video today by the young Nationals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not so sure Barnaby.
Speaker 2: Joyce will turn around and say I was wrong and
Speaker 2: I just can't live without you anytime soon, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: But the angle within the party is palpable. One by one,
Speaker 2: Nationals lined up today to criticize their now former colleague
Speaker 2: as he mulls over his future and a likely defection
Speaker 2: to One Nation.
Speaker 4: Barnaby has turned his back on the party that gave
Speaker 4: him the great honor and privilege of leading us three times.
Speaker 4: That sadly is an indictment on his legacy.
Speaker 5: I think if he actually went to another party, he
Speaker 5: would absolutely trash his reputation and his legacy. He would
Speaker 5: be betraying everyone that voted for him as a National,
Speaker 5: everyone that voted for him as a National on the
Speaker 5: Senate ticket in Queensland back in two thousand and four elections.
Speaker 5: So there's a whole lot of betrayal going if he
Speaker 5: turns his back not on just the Parliamentary Party here
Speaker 5: in Canberra, but on the National Party by joining another
Speaker 5: political movement.
Speaker 6: Barnaby made his decision yesterday and look, he's demonstrated by
Speaker 6: his actions that he doesn't want to be part of
Speaker 6: the team anymore. Unfortunately, politics is a team sport. Barnaby
Speaker 6: always wants to be captain, but he's decided he's not
Speaker 6: going to be part of the Nationals team going forward.
Speaker 2: Well, if the Nationals was a sport, Barnaby just got
Speaker 2: a permanent red card. His announcement is a problem for
Speaker 2: the Nationals. Barnaby Joyce is mister popular in regional Australia,
Speaker 2: a genuine advocate for that community.
Speaker 3: The Nationals have now lost Barnaby.
Speaker 2: Joyce just sent to Nampa jimper Price, who I will
Speaker 2: speak to later in the show, as well as Andrew g.
Speaker 3: Who quit over the voice.
Speaker 2: Albeit, of course, Barnaby has had his fair share of desire,
Speaker 2: ustrous and embarrassing moments. I'm lying drunk on a camera
Speaker 2: footpath being one of them. But you can't say this
Speaker 2: man is inauthentic. In my view, he's one of the
Speaker 2: most authentic politicians in this country. He says it like
Speaker 2: it is and he truly loves the regions. That perhaps
Speaker 2: is why if he does go to one nation. I
Speaker 2: think he and Pauline Hanson are a force, a dynamic duo,
Speaker 2: two authentic politicians, two Aussies who put Australia first, put
Speaker 2: our values first and come up with no nonsense policies.
Speaker 2: And of course One Nation is riding in the polls
Speaker 2: right now, and there will be Nationals voters who would
Speaker 2: choose One Nation thanks to Barnaby's advocacy should he head
Speaker 2: up the one Nation Senate ticket for New South Wales.
Speaker 2: But some Nationals, though, are not giving up hope, saying
Speaker 2: the door for Barnaby to return is still open.
Speaker 7: Look, it's also not the tragedy a lot of us feared.
Speaker 7: He hasn't joined another party yet, Barnaby, so I'm not
Speaker 7: giving up. I'm going to keep trying out a.
Speaker 3: Look, we'll see how it all pans out.
Speaker 7: I don't think anything's in concrete yet, but I'm sure
Speaker 7: he'll let us know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Barnaby Joyce seemed pretty firm in his decision
Speaker 2: to quit, blaming a breakdown in relations with Nationals leader
Speaker 2: David Little Proud, and he reiterated that to my colleague
Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt last night, what.
Speaker 8: Does one Nation offer you that the Nationals do not.
Speaker 9: Well? I think that the big issue is that my
Speaker 9: relationship with the leadership of the Nationals in the House,
Speaker 9: the House Representatives had he reply broken down as they
Speaker 9: say about some marriages, and it was becoming sort of dysfunctional,
Speaker 9: and I was believing that I was turning into a
Speaker 9: bit more of a bitter person.
Speaker 2: The question for the Nationals to consider now, could more
Speaker 2: have been done to keep Barnaby Joyce?
Speaker 3: Now? Look, he wanted a spot on the front bench.
Speaker 2: He didn't get it, and politics as an adults game,
Speaker 2: you can't just throw the toys out of the cot
Speaker 2: when you don't get your way. But realistically, his career
Speaker 2: in that party is done. It seemed as though it
Speaker 2: was over ages ago. He was even relegated during this
Speaker 2: year's election.
Speaker 9: During the campaign, I was asked basically not to campaign
Speaker 9: for the Nationals and after when there's a reorganization, that
Speaker 9: says buries of generational change.
Speaker 2: So if the party was so desperate for generational change,
Speaker 2: then why the shock, anger and surprise. Now that he's
Speaker 2: left and is considering his future. Can you blame him?
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Speaker 2: Even former Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack said more should
Speaker 2: have been done to keep him on side.
Speaker 4: I think we could have and should have done more
Speaker 4: to try and keep Barnaby in the tent, and I
Speaker 4: think that should have happened from the top. But David
Speaker 4: did say to me yesterday that he had tried a
Speaker 4: ninety second conversation. Was that enough? Probably not?
Speaker 2: So now we will see. Does Barnaby Joyce still have
Speaker 2: it in him? I think he does. The question is
Speaker 2: where does he sit silently as an independent on the
Speaker 2: cross bench. Does he leave politics altogether, or does he
Speaker 2: go to one nation, get a more prominent role and
Speaker 2: maybe just maybe even become leader of that party one day.
Speaker 3: I think we know where it's heading.
Speaker 2: The Australian Human Rights Commission is once again proving what
Speaker 2: a useless prop of an organization it is. It has
Speaker 2: become the United Nations of Australia, so entrenched in woke
Speaker 2: ideology and motivated by radical politics. I was baffled this
Speaker 2: morning to read in the Australian newspaper that the Commission
Speaker 2: is now joining a push to change the definition of
Speaker 2: terrorism in this country. The Commission wants religion to no
Speaker 2: longer count as a motivation for terrorist acts, while fifteen
Speaker 2: Muslim groups want both religion and ideology to no longer count.
Speaker 2: So let me just break this down these groups think
Speaker 2: that all it takes is to change the definition of
Speaker 2: terrorism and that would just magically solve all the issues
Speaker 2: associated with terror. Do they just want us to ignore
Speaker 2: when religious phrases like Allah Akbar and Allah is the
Speaker 2: Greatest and so on are shouted before.
Speaker 3: During, and after a terror attack.
Speaker 2: Now, this change would mean that if a jihadi was
Speaker 2: indeed inspired by radical Islam and goes on a killing
Speaker 2: spree or too bad, not terror, we'll just call it
Speaker 2: another incident and swiftly move on nothing at all.
Speaker 3: To do with religion. In its submission to the Independent.
Speaker 2: National Security Legislation Monitor, the groups led by the Australian
Speaker 2: Muslim Advocacy Network argue that the current laws disproportionately target
Speaker 2: their communities. It says the persistence of this association between
Speaker 2: Islam and terrorism in official discourse, whether through prosecutions, political statements,
Speaker 2: all legislative design, has lent credibility to the false and
Speaker 2: dangerous notion that Islam itself is.
Speaker 3: A source of violence.
Speaker 2: Well thirteen of the sixteen terrorist attacks in Australia since
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen were religiously motivated, and according to ASIO, twelve
Speaker 2: were driven by Islamist violent extremism, and that's a fact.
Speaker 2: It's certainly not disproportionate. Our laws are not disproportionate to
Speaker 2: one community when the bulk of evidence points to one
Speaker 2: pocket of a community. Now, of course, the majority of
Speaker 2: Muslims live peacefully in this country and would not interpret
Speaker 2: the Quran or other sacred religious texts as any form
Speaker 2: of incitement or j had. But Islamic extremism is incompatible
Speaker 2: with Western democracies, so too extreme Islamic preaching also incompatible
Speaker 2: with Western democracies. Now, we can't just dance around this
Speaker 2: and change the laws because it makes people feel better.
Speaker 3: It actually requires those groups.
Speaker 2: Which are calling for said change to come out and
Speaker 2: denounce every terror attack which has been motivated by radical Islam,
Speaker 2: whether it be in Australia or overseas, every single one, how.
Speaker 3: Many of these Muslim groups actually do.
Speaker 2: In September, in Manchester, a man by the name of
Speaker 2: Jihad al Chami drove a car into pedestrians outside a
Speaker 2: synagogue and then proceeded to stab them, with two Jews
Speaker 2: being killed in the terror attack. The Australian Muslim Advocacy
Speaker 2: Network is spearheading this terror law change, Yet I am
Speaker 2: yet to find any evidence that a statement was made
Speaker 2: by this group in the wake of Manchester. And secondly,
Speaker 2: it also requires Muslim groups to denounce literal interpretation of
Speaker 2: Versus in sacred texts that call for jihad. Take the
Speaker 2: Sahi Bukhari, for example, which says quote Allah's messenger said,
Speaker 2: the hour will not be established until you fight with
Speaker 2: the Jews. And the stone behind which a Jew will
Speaker 2: be hiding will say, Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew
Speaker 2: hiding behind me, so kill him. Now many Muslims would
Speaker 2: argue those passages are not a command or an incitement,
Speaker 2: rather a prediction, but this disproportionate argument by these fifteen
Speaker 2: groups does.
Speaker 3: Not stack up.
Speaker 2: The Australian is also reporting that Anglican organizations supported changes
Speaker 2: to remove religion as a form of terrorist motivation in solidarity.
Speaker 3: With Muslim groups. Now this is truly, truly extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Has the Anglican Church forgotten that almost a dozen members
Speaker 2: of a Kenyan Anglican church were murdered by Al Shabab
Speaker 2: militants in twenty fourteen in two attacks, including one when
Speaker 2: a bus traveling to Nairobi was stopped by terrorists who
Speaker 2: bought it and asked each passenger to take a faith test.
Speaker 2: Anyone who failed to recite Quran versus was shot. And then,
Speaker 2: of course there's the useless Australian Human Rights Commission, which
Speaker 2: ought to be defunded, warning that linking religion and terrorism
Speaker 2: stigmatizes faith groups.
Speaker 3: So it's all about a perception, all.
Speaker 2: About feels, people's feelings, hurt feelings, not at all about shootings, stabbings,
Speaker 2: mass murders, beheadings, kidnappings, rape, torture, the countless number of
Speaker 2: innocent victims around the world, many in the name of
Speaker 2: radical Islam and Allah akba. But we will all just
Speaker 2: pretend and make it all go away by changing our.
Speaker 3: Laws just because it feels like the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: It will put us all at risk and only inspire
Speaker 2: those who seek us harm, especially those whose values are
Speaker 2: incompatible with ours and incompatible with a Western democracy. Now
Speaker 2: let's hope Labor shuts this down immediately. All will the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister call for another Islamophobia review to save face.
Speaker 2: Victoria is in the middle of a crime crisis, has
Speaker 2: record debt services are a breaking point, and just sent
Speaker 2: to Allen's priority is all wrong again, starts with treaty
Speaker 2: and now she's embarking on an apology tour to the
Speaker 2: Stolen Generation. The Premier has called an extraordinary sitting of
Speaker 2: Parliament for next month to make another apology to Victoria's
Speaker 2: Indigenous population.
Speaker 3: This will be the fourth.
Speaker 2: Apology to Indigenous Australians in the state four because of
Speaker 2: course one wasn't enough. The special sitting of Parliament will
Speaker 2: be convened on December nine, where Premier just Into Alan
Speaker 2: will make a formal apology to First Nations Victorians, acknowledging
Speaker 2: practices that led to systemic injustices, dispossession, displacement and violence.
Speaker 2: The first apology was issued by former Premier Jeff Kennett
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven. Just Into Allen apologized in February
Speaker 2: last year to Victorian children who were abused while in
Speaker 2: state care between nineteen twenty eight and nineteen ninety a number.
Speaker 3: Of whom were Indigenous.
Speaker 2: In October last year, she issued an in person apology
Speaker 2: to those eligible for the Stolen Generation's reparations package and
Speaker 2: never deterred.
Speaker 3: The Premier is.
Speaker 2: Doing it as agreed to as part of the state's
Speaker 2: treaty and why four you ask well? According to Jacinta Alan,
Speaker 2: we are addressing the systemic injustices of the past to
Speaker 2: build a better future for all Victorians, grounded in mutual
Speaker 2: respect and understanding. Now notice this all Victorians lingo that
Speaker 2: she keeps using what's in it for all Victorians because
Speaker 2: just like the treaty, it only serves to accommodate the
Speaker 2: sixty five thousand in the state who identify as Aboriginal,
Speaker 2: not the seven million.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Denying Wrongdoo's wrongdoings were made. Bad things happened many, many
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 3: But why is up to Justin.
Speaker 2: To Alan to make apologies on behalf of all Victorians
Speaker 2: for something all Victorians had nothing to do with under
Speaker 2: the guise of making life better for all Victorians.
Speaker 3: And where does it end?
Speaker 2: I mean the treaty was only signed into law two
Speaker 2: weeks ago and formerly comes into effect next month, and
Speaker 2: already changes are happening.
Speaker 3: It's the Victorian taxpayer who is going.
Speaker 2: To cop the repercussions everyday, hard working citizens who've done
Speaker 2: nothing wrong but are being made out to be the
Speaker 2: enemy and as the people responsible for any injustice so.
Speaker 3: That the premier can feel good about her self.
Speaker 2: This is race based politics and it is not out
Speaker 2: of the realms of possibility to say that compensation is next,
Speaker 2: and what exactly is this latest.
Speaker 3: Apology going to achieve?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been seventeen years since Kevin Wright issued
Speaker 2: this national apology.
Speaker 10: For the pain, suffering and hurt of these stolen generations,
Speaker 10: their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry.
Speaker 2: And what has actually changed since that moment? Because the
Speaker 2: outcomes for Aboriginal Australians are the same, if not worse.
Speaker 2: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners account for thirty seven
Speaker 2: percent of all persons in custody. Indigenous people are fifteen
Speaker 2: to twenty times more likely than non Indigenous people to
Speaker 2: commit violent offenses. They are more likely to leave school
Speaker 2: earlier than non Indigenous Australians, are more likely to die earlier.
Speaker 3: So again, what has actually changed?
Speaker 2: Victorian labour can keep going on this divisive path with
Speaker 2: treaty and now another apology, but the more it talks
Speaker 2: about it, the less time is being spent on the
Speaker 2: ground closing the gap. It's all symbolic for Jesinta Allen
Speaker 2: because if this upcoming apology was truly about substance and
Speaker 2: meaningful change, then why has almost one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: million dollars been allocated in the twenty twenty five twenty
Speaker 2: six state budget for Aboriginal services across health, education, housing
Speaker 2: and other programs. And that's on top of the seven
Speaker 2: hundred and forty seven million dollars spent in the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two twenty three financial year alone on those programs.
Speaker 2: How about Jainta Allen start making life better for all
Speaker 2: Victorians and actually tackle issues that impact all Victorians like crime.
Speaker 3: And I'll catch up with Warren Mandine on this shortly.
Speaker 2: And don't forget Jonathan Lees out of Control Victoria's Crime
Speaker 2: Crisis Special, which airs at seven thirty pm Australian Eastern
Speaker 2: daylight time this Sunday. Let's get into it now. Joining
Speaker 2: me is National's Deputy leader Kevin Hogan. Kevin, good to
Speaker 2: have you back on the show. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Barnaby Joyce. Should the Nationals have done
Speaker 2: more to keep him in the party.
Speaker 8: Well, look, some may say that, Danika, and they may
Speaker 8: be right, they may be wrong. Look, I'm very sad
Speaker 8: to see Barnaby go. I don't think anything anyone would
Speaker 8: have said would have changed that. A lot of people
Speaker 8: have spoken to him. I had a few quick chats
Speaker 8: with him over the last few weeks as well. He
Speaker 8: said he wanted time and space to make his decision.
Speaker 8: Ran into him at church on Sunday last Sunday and Canberra,
Speaker 8: so I'm at the gym this week. It was always civil,
Speaker 8: it was always respectful. I was always asking him how
Speaker 8: he was, how the boys were. I had no personal
Speaker 8: crimina recrimination against him. I think it was quite obvious
Speaker 8: Daneka that he doesn't like where he sits in the chamber,
Speaker 8: and that's what this was about.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he was blaming very pertinently leadership on
Speaker 2: his decision that in particular, I'm David little proud. When
Speaker 2: you spoke to him over the last few weeks, did
Speaker 2: you offer him reasons to stay?
Speaker 8: No, it was just look, he'd asked for time and space,
Speaker 8: you know. And so I was just always respectful and
Speaker 8: always just chatting about how things were and what was
Speaker 8: happening generally in life, as you would, as any respectful
Speaker 8: person would. But you know this is I mean, one
Speaker 8: of my colleagues said today, you know, it's like when
Speaker 8: someone says they want to break up with you and
Speaker 8: they need time and space to make the decision. You
Speaker 8: don't ring them every day either about it, because that's
Speaker 8: not how they want to operate this. But look, I
Speaker 8: like Barnaby personally. He's been a really important part of
Speaker 8: the National's Party family over the last twenty years. The
Speaker 8: party room elected him to be leader twice, which gave
Speaker 8: him the deputy Prime Minister twice. I am disappointed and
Speaker 8: said that he's left. I'm especially sad for the local
Speaker 8: members who've supported him over many, many decades. But look,
Speaker 8: he made it quite obvious to Meka.
Speaker 9: This is no.
Speaker 8: Secret about this. He left because he doesn't like where
Speaker 8: he sits in the chamber and that was that.
Speaker 2: I want to play you a little bit of what
Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Canavan said to my colleague Shari last night.
Speaker 3: Have a listen to this.
Speaker 7: We have now lost three members of the party room
Speaker 7: to defections, and we lost a senator at the last
Speaker 7: election as well, and so that's almost a fifth of
Speaker 7: our room gone in the last few years. And look,
Speaker 7: to lose one member of your team to defection could
Speaker 7: be misfortune, as Oscar Wilde would say, lose another might
Speaker 7: be carelessness. But to lose a third now just looks
Speaker 7: like recklessness. We can't keep losing people.
Speaker 2: Blaming the leadership, blaming David Proud, You're blaming David.
Speaker 7: It's incumbent. It's incumbent on the leaders in particular. I've
Speaker 7: spoken to former leaders of the party about this, and
Speaker 7: it's a lot hurting cats in this place obviously, and
Speaker 7: a lot of things that go on that you and
Speaker 7: the public wouldn't even know about.
Speaker 2: Kevin, I mean, the point you keep losing people, is
Speaker 2: that a reflection on the leadership.
Speaker 8: Look, I think you know, you could certainly say that
Speaker 8: Barnaby said he has issues with David, but look, Barnaby
Speaker 8: had issues with Michael McCormack when he was leader as well,
Speaker 8: and I make that point. But look with Andrew g.
Speaker 8: Andrew G left the party because he did not agree
Speaker 8: with the position of the Nationals on the voice. We
Speaker 8: said no to the voice. Andrew g left the Nationals
Speaker 8: party room because he did not agree with our collective
Speaker 8: decision on the voice and just said to left and
Speaker 8: as quite well articulated why she left. She wants to
Speaker 8: be the prime minister. She couldn't be the prime minister
Speaker 8: with the Nationals. She wanted to join the Liberal because
Speaker 8: she had further ambition. So I don't think that reflects
Speaker 8: on David's leadership. But look, you know i'd make this
Speaker 8: point too when you're talking about leadership. Deni kas we
Speaker 8: landed net zero under David's leadership in a unanimous position.
Speaker 8: We led the Voice Opposition to the Voice, the first
Speaker 8: political entity in Australia to do that. Under David's leadership,
Speaker 8: he has strong support in the room. Albeit I understand
Speaker 8: that some people Barnaby is disgrunted where he sits in
Speaker 8: the chamber.
Speaker 3: How would you feel if he does go to One.
Speaker 8: Nation, Well, that would hurt. I mean, I'd be very
Speaker 8: disappointed if he went with One Nation. Look, you know,
Speaker 8: we all understand if you know you got demoted at
Speaker 8: a job, no one's happy about that. We understand when
Speaker 8: people get demoted. It happens in politics, happens in normal
Speaker 8: business life as well any workplace environment. I understand Barnaby's
Speaker 8: disappointment about this, but I'd make this as Michael McCormack has.
Speaker 8: Michael McCormack has been Leader of the National Party. Michael
Speaker 8: McCormack has been Deputy Prime Minister as well. He's still
Speaker 8: a member of the Nationals and still sitting in the chamber.
Speaker 2: Before we let you go, I just want to ask
Speaker 2: you about Labour's environmental laws that pass Parliament this morning
Speaker 2: with the help of the Greens. I know that you
Speaker 2: were there as it went through. What does it mean now, Donika?
Speaker 8: I think this is I think is a really sad
Speaker 8: day for Australia's economic future. I mean they were all
Speaker 8: sharing a great celebration today, Denika, between the Labor and
Speaker 8: the Greens. It was almost a group hug between Sarah
Speaker 8: Hanson Young came over the chamber of the Greens MP
Speaker 8: in the House of Reps. It was like a big
Speaker 8: loving between Labor and the Greens this morning in the
Speaker 8: House of Reps. A disaster for our economic future. Why
Speaker 8: do I say that so many coal companies, so many
Speaker 8: gas producers and energy producers in this country are now
Speaker 8: saying if the laws it got passed today were in
Speaker 8: place when they were trying to get their projects up
Speaker 8: in the last few years or decades, those projects wouldn't
Speaker 8: have got up. And I say right now, just gasing
Speaker 8: coal alone produce over two hundred billion dollars a year
Speaker 8: and ext board income. It's funding things like Medicare. It
Speaker 8: funds things like Indie ice, the royalties and the taxes
Speaker 8: that those company and people and work in those industries pay.
Speaker 8: And this has been an econ. We won't see it tomorrow,
Speaker 8: we might not see it for the next year or two,
Speaker 8: but over time this is going to do great economic
Speaker 8: damage to our country.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely a disaster.
Speaker 2: What an end to the final parliamentary sitting week of
Speaker 2: the year. A lot of reflection to come, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan, good to have you back on the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining me.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: Spoke about just into Allan's Victorian apology tour to the
Speaker 2: Stolen Generation as she recalls Parliament for a special sitting
Speaker 2: next month to say sorry again. This is the fourth
Speaker 2: apology in the state. Indigenous leader and business businessman Warren
Speaker 2: Mundane joins me. Now at Warren, thanks so much for
Speaker 2: joining me. What is this apology actually going to do
Speaker 2: to improve the lives of Indigenous Australians and help close
Speaker 2: the gap?
Speaker 11: It's going to do, sweet buger all. I'm actually really
Speaker 11: angry with politicians and they go out there and they
Speaker 11: do these merely about things. We're really sorry for this,
Speaker 11: sorry for that doing this putting up legislations and treaty
Speaker 11: and everything, not going to do anything for Abriiginal people's lives.
Speaker 11: And tell you what, Senna Allan should be apologizing to
Speaker 11: the people of Victoria and about how she's destroyed the
Speaker 11: state and centered backwards. That's what she should be really
Speaker 11: apologizing and actually do her job to get it back
Speaker 11: on track again.
Speaker 12: I look, I'm just sick of them that.
Speaker 11: You know, you look at the closing the gap every
Speaker 11: year doesn't change. Sometimes it gets even worse, and you
Speaker 11: just think, well, they're spending all this money, they're going
Speaker 11: around doing all these tours saying ook, I'm really sorry
Speaker 11: about this, and I'm really sorry about that means sweet bugger.
Speaker 2: Or because I mean I mentioned earlier in the show.
Speaker 2: I mean you look at what happened after Kevin Rudd
Speaker 2: said sorry that the national sorry. But the outcomes for
Speaker 2: Aboriginal Australians haven't improved since then, and in fact, in
Speaker 2: some instances they've actually gotten worse. So why are politicians
Speaker 2: like Justinto Allen still carrying on this narrative when nothing
Speaker 2: is changing?
Speaker 11: And also they're spending all this money and all these
Speaker 11: trips and look, I just come back for a two
Speaker 11: week tour of regional Australia and looking at different communities
Speaker 11: where the large Aboriginal populations, and you'd be really surprised
Speaker 11: about some of the towns. They've got about two thousand
Speaker 11: Aborigins in that town, or seven hundred.
Speaker 12: Aborigins in that town.
Speaker 11: They've got forty to seventy organizations been funded to fix
Speaker 11: the problem in each of those towns. So you're looking
Speaker 11: at at least thirteen million dollars a year are going
Speaker 11: into these places, and you'd sit there and go, what's
Speaker 11: it done? In fact, a lot of these places are
Speaker 11: going backwards. You know, we just saw you know in
Speaker 11: your south West, Northern Territory, Western Australia and Queensland where
Speaker 11: we've got all this youth crime and all these issues
Speaker 11: that are happening, and even in Victoria, all these problems
Speaker 11: that are happening in Victoria, and they're just carrying on
Speaker 11: as if you know, the world's honky dory. We just
Speaker 11: got this an apology, you know, twice a few dollars
Speaker 11: to this set up some organization that DIDs millions of
Speaker 11: dollars and nothing changes.
Speaker 3: And that's the sad part. I want to ask you
Speaker 3: about reparations.
Speaker 2: Almost seventy million has been paid now in Victoria to
Speaker 2: survivors of the Stolen Generation. So reparations have been paid
Speaker 2: to six hundred and eighty three Victorians so far. Hundreds
Speaker 2: more applications are being processed, so payments of up to
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand can be sought.
Speaker 3: Is this fair on the taxpayer?
Speaker 11: He Look, I've got to declare an interest in this
Speaker 11: as well, because I was with the law firm some
Speaker 11: of the court cases, like in Queensland and Northern Churchilly
Speaker 11: in Wa. So I'll declare that up front. Look, there
Speaker 11: are cases where people how the operation happened, it was dreadful,
Speaker 11: what happened to people, that it happened to white people
Speaker 11: and that non indigenous people and that as well in
Speaker 11: that period of time and some terrible things happened. Some
Speaker 11: things were done because it was fair di income that
Speaker 11: needed to protect kids and things like that. Look, so
Speaker 11: my thing is they've got the fund set up, They've
Speaker 11: done it. That's the end of the story.
Speaker 12: No more, no more.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's just say it just seems like
Speaker 3: the taxpayer could be up for more.
Speaker 11: I'm not surprised they're going to come back.
Speaker 2: Well, this is a thing now, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: on the Victorian taxpayer before we'll let you go. The
Speaker 2: University of Newcastle is going to be receiving more than
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars in a grant. This is for
Speaker 2: culturally respectful and environmentally responsible space exploration. It's an interstellar
Speaker 2: indigenous policy. Money well spent, and you're you, what do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 12: I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's interstellar indigenous policy inspired by dream time stories.
Speaker 11: Well, like, gee, that's a bloody lot of money. I
Speaker 11: don't mind having, you know, some sort of looking at
Speaker 11: religious and ancient stories.
Speaker 12: And stuff like that. That's fine.
Speaker 11: We do that with Greece, we do that with the
Speaker 11: Roman Empire. We do all that type of stuff. But
Speaker 11: you know, what's this culture respectful and environmentally responsible space exploration.
Speaker 11: I think this is just public service, academic bobbly talk,
Speaker 11: whatever it does.
Speaker 12: What does that mean much?
Speaker 11: You just say, oh, we're going to look at stories
Speaker 11: of the of the sky and the stars and that.
Speaker 11: From from an Aboriginal perspective, I just think.
Speaker 2: It's more labor government spending that needs to really be
Speaker 2: more wasted.
Speaker 11: Your money and where they should should be out there
Speaker 11: actually getting people into jobs, getting indeed ocation and dealing
Speaker 11: with the crime rate.
Speaker 2: This is what it all comes down to. It's closing
Speaker 2: the gap and these are not outcomes that close the
Speaker 2: gap one one day, we've got to leave it there.
Speaker 2: Good to have you back on the show. Thanks joining me.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your five stay with us
Speaker 2: after the break on your third of the nation's public
Speaker 2: service turns up to the office five days a week,
Speaker 2: just talking about spending there, get labors oversea to a
Speaker 2: record twenty five percent increase in bureaucrats that are more
Speaker 2: with my panel next, welcome back. I spoke earlier about
Speaker 2: how the Human Rights Commission is joining a push to
Speaker 2: change the definition of terrorism. The Commission wants religion to
Speaker 2: no longer count as a motivation for terror acts, while
Speaker 2: fifteen Muslim groups want both religion and ideology to no
Speaker 2: longer count. Joining me now out for more on this
Speaker 2: is new South Wales Independent MP Tanya Mahalic can form
Speaker 2: a new.
Speaker 3: South Wales Police Minister.
Speaker 2: David Elliott, hello again, good to see you both.
Speaker 3: David will start with you.
Speaker 2: You are the first Minister for Counter Terrorism in New
Speaker 2: South Wales. What's your response to this proposal?
Speaker 13: Well, this is just ridiculous because the whole phoinition of
Speaker 13: extremism is people who have ideological and religious views that
Speaker 13: are beyond the pale or beyond what a reasonable or
Speaker 13: a sensible person would consider is appropriate. And I mean,
Speaker 13: and if the Islamic community thinks this is an attack
Speaker 13: on them, well, I mean, the IRA proved that you
Speaker 13: don't have to. You know, even Christians can be extremists.
Speaker 13: You only have to travel around the subcontinent of India
Speaker 13: and Sri Lanka and see the and see the battles
Speaker 13: that have occurred in the name of their religion in
Speaker 13: Sri Lanka and southern India and of course the border
Speaker 13: of and of course the border regions of Pakistan and
Speaker 13: India as well. So I think we need to be
Speaker 13: we need to be very very careful about not demonizing
Speaker 13: a religion because there are extremists, because every religion has
Speaker 13: an extremist. But we have to be very very mature
Speaker 13: and we have to accept the fact that there are
Speaker 13: groups out there. I mean, the iron isis stands for Islamic, yes,
Speaker 13: so we cannot walk away from that. And we need
Speaker 13: to make sure that we work with the with the
Speaker 13: mainstream Islamic community and say to them, you've got just
Speaker 13: as much of a role as government does in calling
Speaker 13: out what is a dangerous interpretation of your faith.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's exactly what I was saying earlier on
Speaker 3: in the program as well.
Speaker 2: Tania, what are the ramifications that if religion was to
Speaker 2: be taken off the table when it comes to tackling terror, well.
Speaker 1: It would change the definition of Terrorist Act in this
Speaker 1: entirety if it was removed. I actually have some confidence
Speaker 1: with Michelle Roland Hower Attorney General. I actually read her
Speaker 1: speech when they announced this review and the Independent National
Speaker 1: Services Security Legislation Monitor made the announcement. She did a speech.
Speaker 1: I felt her speech was very proportionate. I felt she
Speaker 1: made it clear that she wanted to balance safety. Yes,
Speaker 1: civil liberties are an issue, but safety was paramount. I
Speaker 1: felt very confident in her speech. The ag submission does
Speaker 1: not suggest change. ASIA is not suggesting change. No change, defact,
Speaker 1: no change. So all the Australian agencies are saying there
Speaker 1: shouldn't be any change to the definition of Terrorist Act.
Speaker 1: The Human Rights Commission, of course have proposed to remove religion,
Speaker 1: as has Victorian Human Rights Commission. I want to make
Speaker 1: an interesting note. New South Wales have made a submission confidential,
Speaker 1: but I assumed that it would be in line with
Speaker 1: the Australian government. Interestingly, Victorian government hasn't. So the only
Speaker 1: agency that made a submission for Victoria was a Human
Speaker 1: Rights commission asking for a change. So I would have
Speaker 1: expected Victorian government, given they've had terrorist incidences in Victoria,
Speaker 1: would have actually made a submission.
Speaker 2: To this extraordinary and also what a useless prop the
Speaker 2: Australian Human Rights Commission is.
Speaker 3: They don't know what a woman is. Now they want
Speaker 3: to change the definition of terror.
Speaker 2: It just goes on and on, and I just think
Speaker 2: that should be completely disfunded.
Speaker 3: Defunded now this is extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Labor launched what it's calling an austerity drive you might
Speaker 2: recall in the public service this week with hundreds of
Speaker 2: jobs to go because it's run out of your money.
Speaker 2: It's spent itself silly and don't forget it demonized Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton for promising to slash the public service during the
Speaker 2: election and now it's done a copy and paste job.
Speaker 2: But now we find out that only a third of
Speaker 2: the nation's public service turns up to the office five
Speaker 2: days a week. In fact, full time office attendance is
Speaker 2: as low as one in.
Speaker 3: Ten in some government agencies.
Speaker 2: David, you know, labor has overseen a twenty five percent
Speaker 2: increase in the public service. That's a record, and staff
Speaker 2: aren't even rocking up to the office.
Speaker 13: You know, this is a typical socialist approach to the economy.
Speaker 13: We just tax the bejetss out of everybody and try
Speaker 13: to buy votes in the public sector, and then, of
Speaker 13: course close to the election, scare the public sector into
Speaker 13: voting labor because they think that the nasty Tories are
Speaker 13: going to take their jobs away. We just can't afford it.
Speaker 13: And as Margaret that just said, the problem with socialism
Speaker 13: is you run out of you run out of other
Speaker 13: people's money to give away. But my concern about working
Speaker 13: from home is not necessarily the fact that people get
Speaker 13: into a position where they're that they have that flexibility.
Speaker 13: The private sector does it as well as the public sector.
Speaker 13: But there is the idea of parity and the idea
Speaker 13: of fairness. And if you've got one section of the
Speaker 13: working economy getting up at eight o'clock in the morning
Speaker 13: and wandering downstairs with their pajama pants still on, And.
Speaker 3: How do you do that?
Speaker 2: You cannot justify it. And there's a record amount of
Speaker 2: government spending as it.
Speaker 13: Is right now.
Speaker 3: I just I don't think you can justify it. And
Speaker 3: how is it responsible to you?
Speaker 1: Well, it's not responsible when business investment is down in
Speaker 1: productivity is down in Australia, we know that. And it's
Speaker 1: not responsible when you're draining resources away from the private
Speaker 1: sector because people look at the wages. Wages are much
Speaker 1: higher in the public sector. There are so many jobs,
Speaker 1: the conditions.
Speaker 3: Are great because you could work from home, of course,
Speaker 3: and that's taking away.
Speaker 1: The resources that we need in the private sector where
Speaker 1: we really desperately need that investment to pick up our economy.
Speaker 1: That's the really big issue I have to say. Katie
Speaker 1: Gallagher did announce a five percent efficiency savings at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the week and which we thought would include job.
Speaker 14: Cuts, but then the week she's walked back on that.
Speaker 14: I really disappointed that she's walked back.
Speaker 3: Was a great announcement, was positive austerity drive.
Speaker 2: Yes, and now you know and discipline she said, never never, David.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite parts of our week. Your column
Speaker 2: in the Daily Telegraph about Christmas. What makes a silly
Speaker 2: season special?
Speaker 3: In your view?
Speaker 13: Well, how to get a lot of things up my chest, particularly.
Speaker 3: Che Mariah Carey.
Speaker 13: I'm not a Mariah. I don't despise her, but I
Speaker 13: think I think it creates a lot of fights in
Speaker 13: most offices. I'm working out how much is an appropriate
Speaker 13: level of Mariah Carey songs. But you know I can.
Speaker 13: I still find it difficult to get excited about Christmas lights.
Speaker 12: Of course, because i'm.
Speaker 13: Personally because I've nearly eletrocuted myself so many times.
Speaker 5: I can't meet the demand yourself.
Speaker 3: What are you I found of Mariah?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I can't go anything, but I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to Christmas carols.
Speaker 3: I love, love the lights.
Speaker 1: And no I'm not into Turkey either, but you know,
Speaker 1: like the on the seventh of January, two Christmases, I
Speaker 1: just enjoyed Christmas.
Speaker 12: All right.
Speaker 3: Well, we've only got a couple of weeks left before Christmas,
Speaker 3: and we'll look forward to you your column next week.
Speaker 3: Entice us. With this time, we're excited.
Speaker 13: Next week will be will be the way that life proceeds.
Speaker 13: It will be as a working progress. All of those
Speaker 13: things that we do in life that that changes.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Tan, you're and I already and where we
Speaker 2: are both excited. Great to have you on as always,
Speaker 2: David Elli, Jayle have it the weekend. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Senator to center. Napajiba Price
Speaker 2: joins me. Plus Princess Diana will still be alive today
Speaker 2: had it not been for the infamous Martin Basheer BBC interview.
Speaker 3: That's according to a royal author. I'll go live to
Speaker 3: London for the latest.
Speaker 2: From the UK now, where young workers are fleeing Labour's
Speaker 2: high tax Britain with under thirty fives, leading a near
Speaker 2: record exodus from the country.
Speaker 3: One hundred and ten thousand British.
Speaker 2: People age sixteen to thirty four emigrated in the year
Speaker 2: to June, accounting for two thirds of all departing Britons.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is News Corp Europe correspondent and Sky
Speaker 2: News contributor Sophie Elsworth.
Speaker 3: SOPHI, nice to see you.
Speaker 2: The UK is just too expensive, clearly under the Kiostarma
Speaker 2: labor government.
Speaker 15: Great to be with you, Juanika. Yes, that does seem
Speaker 15: to be the case because as we have seen those
Speaker 15: numbers out yesterday here in the UK show huge amount
Speaker 15: of young Britains leaving the country. It's very expensive the
Speaker 15: cost of living here, as we often hear in the media,
Speaker 15: and there's other issues like the national insurance rates have
Speaker 15: gone up. Also, Denika, there's concern about the minimum wage
Speaker 15: rise here that was announced by the government, which while
Speaker 15: it might be a good thing for young Britain's, it
Speaker 15: also results in fewer jobs, they're saying in the commentary here,
Speaker 15: because it's a burden on employers. So there's many moving
Speaker 15: parts here that have made it less desirable for young
Speaker 15: Britains to live here. So as a result, they're fleeing
Speaker 15: and many deaneka are coming to Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, I'm not surprised, but I just wonder,
Speaker 2: you know, we heading in the same direction because it's
Speaker 2: certainly certainly tax very.
Speaker 3: Highly here too.
Speaker 2: Now you have got a fantastic exclusive today. You've spoken
Speaker 2: with British journalist Andy Webb about the scandalous cover up
Speaker 2: by the BBC, of course, after disgraced reporter Martin Basheer's
Speaker 2: infamous interview with Princess Diana thirty years ago.
Speaker 3: Here's what he told you.
Speaker 15: Do you think Andy, Princess Diana may be here today
Speaker 15: if it wasn't for what happened.
Speaker 11: Yes, of course, if Bashir hadn't done what Bashir did,
Speaker 11: things would have been very, very different.
Speaker 2: Of course they were, Sophy, that's a huge revelation. What
Speaker 2: more can you tell us?
Speaker 15: This is a fascinating interview Janika that's on all the
Speaker 15: news court websites and in the papers tomorrow. I suggest
Speaker 15: people read it. Andy Webb has worked on this story
Speaker 15: with the BBC, this scandalous interview that was obtained by
Speaker 15: Martin Basheer. He's worked on this for over twenty years
Speaker 15: and he told me yesterday when I interviewed him at
Speaker 15: his home in West London, that she could well be
Speaker 15: here and she'd very likely be here today if this
Speaker 15: disastrous interview didn't happen, and that being because Janika she
Speaker 15: failed to trust all the people closest to her and
Speaker 15: around her, and as a result, she got rid of them.
Speaker 15: She got rid of her private secretary, she got rid
Speaker 15: of her chauffeur, and it had a ripple effect around
Speaker 15: the people around her which led her to being in
Speaker 15: that fateful crash in Paris. You know, many years ago
Speaker 15: in nineteen ninety seven. So fascinating interview with Andy Webb.
Speaker 15: He's just written a book about the scandals surrounding the BBC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, this is fascinating and you know I employ
Speaker 2: our viewers. Please, you know, go and check this out
Speaker 2: in use court papers. It really really is quite a revelation.
Speaker 2: Before we let you go. Royal author and historian Andrew
Speaker 2: Lowney has claimed, but Jeffrey Epstein made plans to hire
Speaker 2: a hit man to kill Andrew mount Batton Windsor and
Speaker 2: Sarah Ferguson.
Speaker 15: Why well, Denika, this is another bombshere revelation here in
Speaker 15: the British press, because Andrew Lowney, who has just written
Speaker 15: the book on the Duke of York in the House
Speaker 15: of York, has said that basically Jeffrey Epstein was so
Speaker 15: concerned with the information that Andrew mount Batton Windsor and
Speaker 15: Sarah Ferguson had on him that he spoke with a
Speaker 15: hitman to have them both killed because he was fearing
Speaker 15: what information they would divulge on him. And this was
Speaker 15: obviously prior to his death in twenty nineteen. So another
Speaker 15: scandal here for the royal family. This issue with Andrew
Speaker 15: bat Mount Batton Windsor, despite him are now being disgraced,
Speaker 15: is not going away for the royal family, Janika.
Speaker 2: No, and especially when there's calls for him to face
Speaker 2: the US Congress over what he knew about the convicted
Speaker 2: pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Really really fascinating stories. Sophie Elsworth. Appreciate
Speaker 2: you joining us live from London this morning. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much. Well, let's return now to the resignation of
Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce. Joining me is Liberal Senator Just Center Nampa.
Speaker 2: Jimber Price, Senator, thank you for your time. Firstly, what's
Speaker 2: your reaction to Barnaby's decision yesterday?
Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, Barnaby, I've known Barnaby for many years. His
Speaker 14: grassroots politician whose community led. You know, he wears his
Speaker 14: heart on his sleeve, and he's a Butt's a pretty
Speaker 14: straight bat. And you know there's no room for bs
Speaker 14: when it comes to Barnaby. You know, I've admired the
Speaker 14: way that he stood up for regional Australia, for miners
Speaker 14: and for farmers, for those industries that really make Australia tick.
Speaker 14: And I suppose this decision now is well, it's ultimately
Speaker 14: I think everyone knows that Barnaby will make up his
Speaker 14: own mind when he makes up his own mind, and
Speaker 14: I suppose for the Nationals that is for them to
Speaker 14: determine within their party room how they will go about
Speaker 14: whether they will seek to try to get him back
Speaker 14: on board or not. But I suppose, you know, what
Speaker 14: I do know about Barnaby is that, as I said,
Speaker 14: he does wear his heart on his sleeve, and if
Speaker 14: he thinks he can represent Australians better as part of
Speaker 14: the cross Bench, well then he's the decisions that he makes.
Speaker 14: I'm sure he's not taking lightly and doing it because
Speaker 14: he believes he can represent Australia and their needs in
Speaker 14: that way. I suppose that's what I sort of think
Speaker 14: about the whole situation. It's I think for the Coalition though,
Speaker 14: you know, I find we're in a we're in a
Speaker 14: stronger position at the moment. I feel we're finally being
Speaker 14: conviction led as opposed to led by Poles and making
Speaker 14: decisions in the best interests of Australians and putting forward
Speaker 14: policy in that vein. So I suppose I'm I'm personally
Speaker 14: looking forward to ensuring that we take up that fight
Speaker 14: with conviction and starting with energy policy, which is now
Speaker 14: on the table.
Speaker 2: As a former member of the Nationals yourself, is there
Speaker 2: a problem with the leadership as Barnaby Joyce has suggested.
Speaker 14: Look, I mean, if that's Barnaby's position, then that is
Speaker 14: Barnaby's position. I suppose, as I say, the Nationals have to.
Speaker 3: Look, don't.
Speaker 14: I don't have a mind either way. In term of
Speaker 14: the Nationals party room, I'm in the Libs party room now,
Speaker 14: and again that's for the National's party room to determine
Speaker 14: on that. And I suppose you know, Barnaby has positioned
Speaker 14: himself and feels very strongly about where he sits with
Speaker 14: that issue. But again he is putting forward the fact
Speaker 14: that he wants to represent Australians to the best of
Speaker 14: his ability and he doesn't feel like he can do
Speaker 14: that obviously from the backbench.
Speaker 2: All right, Look, let's move on and talk a bit
Speaker 2: about energy. I noticed that the Energy Minister Chris Bowen
Speaker 2: has doubled down on Labour's commitment to renewables, saying that
Speaker 2: power prices will lower because of investment. But I found
Speaker 2: it interesting at the same time, Labor's on track to
Speaker 2: miss both of its renewable energy and emission targets. That's
Speaker 2: according to findings by the Climate Change Authority of all people.
Speaker 2: So it's going to miss targets. Bills keep going up
Speaker 2: centaer price. Bowen says, oh no, it's all right, bills
Speaker 2: will go down.
Speaker 3: I mean the magic question is when surprise surprise.
Speaker 14: I mean, this bloke has got his head in the clouds.
Speaker 14: If he thinks that bills are going to go down,
Speaker 14: it's just ridiculous. He is putting his priority the green
Speaker 14: energy grifters, and you know, un globalists, it's not the
Speaker 14: Australian people. All they're interested in is reducing emissions, which
Speaker 14: they're not doing.
Speaker 3: Evidently, we as.
Speaker 14: A coalition wanting to reduce people's power bills and you know,
Speaker 14: lift the cost the cost of living crisis for the
Speaker 14: Australian people. So, you know, Chris Bowen, what he fails
Speaker 14: to recognize is the fact that the cost of energy
Speaker 14: goes up the further along you go. So you know,
Speaker 14: what we're seeing internationally is that when countries reach about
Speaker 14: thirty percent renewables, they sort of have this honeting moon period.
Speaker 14: But anything more than that and the cost begins to
Speaker 14: climb once more. To reach over eighty percent emissions by
Speaker 14: twenty thirty, which is going to mean an increase in costs.
Speaker 14: Not only that, but you know, we are producing what
Speaker 14: just over one percent of global emissions as a country.
Speaker 14: So if we poured everything into this and made Australians
Speaker 14: go completely broke, we're not making a single change to emissions.
Speaker 14: When you think of China, the US, India, countries that
Speaker 14: are contributing to sixty percent of global emissions, they're sending
Speaker 14: this country broke. And if they want to continue toward
Speaker 14: zero zero by twenty sixty, then we could be spending
Speaker 14: between seven and nine trillion dollars of taxpayer funds in
Speaker 14: order to get there. And then there's the fact that
Speaker 14: this is about our liberty, This is about freedom of choice.
Speaker 14: We as Australians are now constrained in terms of what
Speaker 14: kind of vehicle we can buy. You know, manufacturing is constrained,
Speaker 14: food and farmers constrained in terms of what they can grow.
Speaker 14: So every aspect of our life is being impacted in
Speaker 14: terms of freedom of choice and the cost of living
Speaker 14: because of this ridiculous zero policy that I'm sorry, Bowen
Speaker 14: is on a completely another planet and he's destroying our economy.
Speaker 14: He's destroying our way of life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and watching him come up with all sorts of
Speaker 2: excuses in Parliament this week was absolutely astounding. And you're
Speaker 2: right we are going backwards, we're going broke at the
Speaker 2: same time under this just set now for jeber Price,
Speaker 2: we've got to leave it there.
Speaker 3: Great to catch up. Thanks very much for joining me
Speaker 3: on the show. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break the winners and losers of
Speaker 2: the week from the last sitting week of parliament for
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 3: That's next.
Speaker 2: Is that time of the week where we sought the
Speaker 2: winners from the losers and helping me to do that
Speaker 2: is Sky and his contributor James Bolt. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the show. Thank you very much for joining me. Your
Speaker 2: winner this week is Chris Bowen.
Speaker 12: Yes, Chris Bowen is at asolutely my winner of this week.
Speaker 12: Now wait for it, wait for it. Don't turn off
Speaker 12: the remote just yet, because here's the thing. We have
Speaker 12: a situation like I'm hearing all this criticism for Chris Bowen, like, oh,
Speaker 12: he's our part time managing minister. He you know, he's
Speaker 12: completely off the job. He doesn't have any idea what's
Speaker 12: going on anymore. And I think we have an opportunity
Speaker 12: where Chris Bowen, who we all agree every time he's
Speaker 12: in Parliament makes things worse, could now leave and I
Speaker 12: just think we need to embrace that completely. We need
Speaker 12: to go. Okay, Chris, like you know how many days
Speaker 12: next year? With Susan Lee's line like how many days
Speaker 12: next year are you going to miss? My question to
Speaker 12: him is how many days next year are you going
Speaker 12: to miss? And can you double it? Because I just
Speaker 12: think the further way Chris Bowen is from the halls
Speaker 12: of power, the better it is for everyone. We should
Speaker 12: embrace his new roll at COP thirty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the further he is away from the renewables only
Speaker 3: experiment the better.
Speaker 2: No, I do actually agree with you, because realistically, how
Speaker 2: can he remain here on a part time basis in
Speaker 2: a five foux job because this is basically a five
Speaker 2: faux job for him now because he's going to be
Speaker 2: spending a lot of time overseas. So let's hope the
Speaker 2: prime to punch him.
Speaker 12: I keep him there because if he's replaced it with
Speaker 12: another labor person who's going to be committed to the role.
Speaker 12: So I think the best art of labor energy minister
Speaker 12: is one that's never there, so we have a situation
Speaker 12: where our Labor Energy Minister will never be there.
Speaker 3: I like your logic on this one.
Speaker 12: I've thought it all out. I like this one.
Speaker 3: Well, you can read more about it. You've got a
Speaker 3: wonderful sky Neies article skinies dot com that I you
Speaker 3: about this today.
Speaker 2: Now, my winner this week is Pauline Hanson. Now, look,
Speaker 2: a lot of hers said her burker stunt was ridiculous,
Speaker 2: that it was exactly that a stunt. But I like her, James,
Speaker 2: because she's not afraid. She's not afraid to have a
Speaker 2: debate on topics that people consider to be quite contentious,
Speaker 2: that are quite controversial. And I say good on her.
Speaker 2: You know, whether you agree with what she did or not,
Speaker 2: I think good on her. And also, look, she could
Speaker 2: also pick up Barnaby Joyce. We'll see, so we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I got to say, I completely I'm on the
Speaker 12: other side of things. I thought there was a debate
Speaker 12: that Pauline Hanson could have had on whether or not
Speaker 12: the burker should be banned. And I think the debate
Speaker 12: because of that stunt's now become is Paulie enhancing a racist,
Speaker 12: and I just go like, that's not the debate she wanted.
Speaker 12: So I think it's a bit of an own goal.
Speaker 12: But it's your winner of the week. It's not my problem.
Speaker 2: The problem with this debate is why is it always
Speaker 2: racist like immigration or people are you're racist to bring
Speaker 2: it up?
Speaker 3: Why is it always racism racism? It's not.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's racist to have a debate about
Speaker 2: the burker when a lot of countries around the world
Speaker 2: have already had this debate.
Speaker 3: That's my argument.
Speaker 12: Look, I just think when she wears the burker in
Speaker 12: the Senate, we're now talking about something else. But again,
Speaker 12: your winner a weeka mine.
Speaker 3: Well when it forb is Paulie, But no, I take
Speaker 3: your point. Now you'll loser this week is who?
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 12: So it's people that need to inject politics and literally
Speaker 12: everything because our American friends are settling down for Thanksgiving
Speaker 12: today and quick tangent. The US president Every year before
Speaker 12: Thanksgiving he pardons a turkey, and this year got a
Speaker 12: little fine. It was a pretty crazy turkey. But have
Speaker 12: a look at Jimmy Kimmel's reaction to this turkey.
Speaker 3: My goodness, he's a beautiful bird.
Speaker 5: Goodness, want to give us a garb.
Speaker 12: See, fascists have fun too. It's oh, what do you
Speaker 12: need to say a fascist when the Turkey did something funny?
Speaker 12: Just say the Turkey did something funny. We don't need
Speaker 12: to go like, hang on, does you laughing at a turkey? Goblin?
Speaker 12: Mean you vote Republican? Like no, No one's thinking that.
Speaker 12: We're thinking the Turkey is funny.
Speaker 2: The man can't take a joke, can He is the
Speaker 2: most he had to be a comedian, yet he's the
Speaker 2: most serious comedian out there. Can't take a joke, absolutely
Speaker 2: obsessed with the Democrats.
Speaker 3: Woe is me?
Speaker 2: Crying on and now we can't take a joke about
Speaker 2: a turkey. I mean, he's absolutely lost it.
Speaker 12: In my view, that's a better rant than anything he's
Speaker 12: had in years.
Speaker 3: So great loser, next exactly, great loser of the week.
Speaker 2: Speaking of losers, I had to give mind to Greta Funburg.
Speaker 2: I actually think she is the number one loser. She
Speaker 2: is the irritant of the world. She's been banned from
Speaker 2: Venice now after deciding that she was going to die
Speaker 2: the Grand Canal Green as part of a COP thirty protests.
Speaker 12: What on earth was she thinking, why is the marketing
Speaker 12: for radical left climate activists always to annoy people that
Speaker 12: they could win over?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 12: Don't you want to reach out to them rather than
Speaker 12: get them angry?
Speaker 3: Yep? Yep. So well done to Italy, Well done to
Speaker 3: the mother country. For me, well done Venice.
Speaker 2: You've gotten rid of her and I wish that we
Speaker 2: could object her from other countries around the world.
Speaker 3: James part, We've got to leave it there. Have a
Speaker 3: great weekend.
Speaker 12: Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2: We'll see you again soon. Thanks for your company. I'll
Speaker 2: be back Sunday night at seven for Deneko and James
Speaker 2: Steve Prices next.
Speaker 3: Good night,