WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 28 November 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:06.880 Live on Sky News Australia. This is to Nika Di Giorgio. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.680 Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight. Nationals 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.760 MP's lash out at Barnaby Joyce as he mulls a 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:17.000 possible defection to one nation. I'll be joined by Deputy 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.520 Nationals Leader Kevin Hogan and Liberal Senator just Center Nampajim 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.599 for price Muslim groups wants the definition of terrorism change 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.360 to exclude religion and ideology. Do they just want us 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.680 to ignore when phrases like aluakba are shouted during a 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:32.400 terror attack. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:33.760 I'll have my say on. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.240 This shortly, and a royal author makes a startling revenue 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.519 of a relation that Princess Diana would still be alive 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.760 today had it not been for the infamous Martin. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.360 Basher BBC interview. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.880 I'll go live to London for the latest for first 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.639 tonight Today. The Nationals are broken as the fallout from 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.640 the resignation of the man who's been the party's heart 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.600 and soul, Barnaby Joyce, continues and they're pulling out all 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.680 the stocks, it seems, to try and reel him back in. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:15.480 Matt Canavan retweeted this video today by the young Nationals. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.679 Yeah, I'm not so sure Barnaby. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.200 Joyce will turn around and say I was wrong and 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.679 I just can't live without you anytime soon, that's for sure. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.440 But the angle within the party is palpable. One by one, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.039 Nationals lined up today to criticize their now former colleague 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.400 as he mulls over his future and a likely defection 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:38.199 to One Nation. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.679 Barnaby has turned his back on the party that gave 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.360 him the great honor and privilege of leading us three times. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.160 That sadly is an indictment on his legacy. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.960 I think if he actually went to another party, he 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.520 would absolutely trash his reputation and his legacy. He would 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.560 be betraying everyone that voted for him as a National, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.440 everyone that voted for him as a National on the 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.120 Senate ticket in Queensland back in two thousand and four elections. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.640 So there's a whole lot of betrayal going if he 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.320 turns his back not on just the Parliamentary Party here 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.440 in Canberra, but on the National Party by joining another 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:21.920 political movement. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.720 Barnaby made his decision yesterday and look, he's demonstrated by 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.239 his actions that he doesn't want to be part of 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.440 the team anymore. Unfortunately, politics is a team sport. Barnaby 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:32.959 always wants to be captain, but he's decided he's not 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.360 going to be part of the Nationals team going forward. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.360 Well, if the Nationals was a sport, Barnaby just got 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:42.000 a permanent red card. His announcement is a problem for 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.960 the Nationals. Barnaby Joyce is mister popular in regional Australia, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.000 a genuine advocate for that community. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:49.960 The Nationals have now lost Barnaby. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.440 Joyce just sent to Nampa jimper Price, who I will 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.200 speak to later in the show, as well as Andrew g. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:56.760 Who quit over the voice. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.960 Albeit, of course, Barnaby has had his fair share of desire, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.120 ustrous and embarrassing moments. I'm lying drunk on a camera 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.040 footpath being one of them. But you can't say this 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.360 man is inauthentic. In my view, he's one of the 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.600 most authentic politicians in this country. He says it like 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.560 it is and he truly loves the regions. That perhaps 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.080 is why if he does go to one nation. I 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.239 think he and Pauline Hanson are a force, a dynamic duo, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.799 two authentic politicians, two Aussies who put Australia first, put 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.200 our values first and come up with no nonsense policies. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.880 And of course One Nation is riding in the polls 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.839 right now, and there will be Nationals voters who would 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.520 choose One Nation thanks to Barnaby's advocacy should he head 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.680 up the one Nation Senate ticket for New South Wales. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.840 But some Nationals, though, are not giving up hope, saying 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.120 the door for Barnaby to return is still open. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.880 Look, it's also not the tragedy a lot of us feared. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:57.080 He hasn't joined another party yet, Barnaby, so I'm not 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.840 giving up. I'm going to keep trying out a. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.920 Look, we'll see how it all pans out. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.880 I don't think anything's in concrete yet, but I'm sure 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:05.560 he'll let us know. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.400 Yeah, but Barnaby Joyce seemed pretty firm in his decision 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.839 to quit, blaming a breakdown in relations with Nationals leader 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.200 David Little Proud, and he reiterated that to my colleague 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.920 Andrew Bolt last night, what. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.960 Does one Nation offer you that the Nationals do not. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.599 Well? I think that the big issue is that my 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.320 relationship with the leadership of the Nationals in the House, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.440 the House Representatives had he reply broken down as they 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:41.000 say about some marriages, and it was becoming sort of dysfunctional, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.200 and I was believing that I was turning into a 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:46.440 bit more of a bitter person. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.920 The question for the Nationals to consider now, could more 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.119 have been done to keep Barnaby Joyce? 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.560 Now? Look, he wanted a spot on the front bench. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.800 He didn't get it, and politics as an adults game, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.560 you can't just throw the toys out of the cot 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.680 when you don't get your way. But realistically, his career 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.880 in that party is done. It seemed as though it 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.159 was over ages ago. He was even relegated during this 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:08.799 year's election. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.280 During the campaign, I was asked basically not to campaign 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:18.400 for the Nationals and after when there's a reorganization, that 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.240 says buries of generational change. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.960 So if the party was so desperate for generational change, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.240 then why the shock, anger and surprise. Now that he's 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:32.000 left and is considering his future. Can you blame him? 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.640 I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it too. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.159 Even former Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack said more should 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.000 have been done to keep him on side. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.000 I think we could have and should have done more 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.760 to try and keep Barnaby in the tent, and I 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.599 think that should have happened from the top. But David 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.560 did say to me yesterday that he had tried a 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.159 ninety second conversation. Was that enough? Probably not? 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.880 So now we will see. Does Barnaby Joyce still have 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.719 it in him? I think he does. The question is 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.839 where does he sit silently as an independent on the 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.640 cross bench. Does he leave politics altogether, or does he 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.240 go to one nation, get a more prominent role and 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.960 maybe just maybe even become leader of that party one day. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.239 I think we know where it's heading. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.159 The Australian Human Rights Commission is once again proving what 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.160 a useless prop of an organization it is. It has 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.040 become the United Nations of Australia, so entrenched in woke 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:37.800 ideology and motivated by radical politics. I was baffled this 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.039 morning to read in the Australian newspaper that the Commission 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.400 is now joining a push to change the definition of 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.480 terrorism in this country. The Commission wants religion to no 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.600 longer count as a motivation for terrorist acts, while fifteen 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.200 Muslim groups want both religion and ideology to no longer count. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.160 So let me just break this down these groups think 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.919 that all it takes is to change the definition of 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.279 terrorism and that would just magically solve all the issues 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.360 associated with terror. Do they just want us to ignore 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.000 when religious phrases like Allah Akbar and Allah is the 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.080 Greatest and so on are shouted before. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.400 During, and after a terror attack. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.400 Now, this change would mean that if a jihadi was 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.880 indeed inspired by radical Islam and goes on a killing 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.400 spree or too bad, not terror, we'll just call it 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.280 another incident and swiftly move on nothing at all. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:38.160 To do with religion. In its submission to the Independent. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.560 National Security Legislation Monitor, the groups led by the Australian 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:47.000 Muslim Advocacy Network argue that the current laws disproportionately target 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:51.239 their communities. It says the persistence of this association between 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:56.720 Islam and terrorism in official discourse, whether through prosecutions, political statements, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.600 all legislative design, has lent credibility to the false and 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.840 dangerous notion that Islam itself is. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.200 A source of violence. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.920 Well thirteen of the sixteen terrorist attacks in Australia since 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:16.120 twenty fourteen were religiously motivated, and according to ASIO, twelve 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.480 were driven by Islamist violent extremism, and that's a fact. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:26.120 It's certainly not disproportionate. Our laws are not disproportionate to 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.360 one community when the bulk of evidence points to one 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.880 pocket of a community. Now, of course, the majority of 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.959 Muslims live peacefully in this country and would not interpret 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.079 the Quran or other sacred religious texts as any form 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.960 of incitement or j had. But Islamic extremism is incompatible 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:49.760 with Western democracies, so too extreme Islamic preaching also incompatible 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.920 with Western democracies. Now, we can't just dance around this 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.600 and change the laws because it makes people feel better. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.640 It actually requires those groups. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.000 Which are calling for said change to come out and 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.960 denounce every terror attack which has been motivated by radical Islam, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.720 whether it be in Australia or overseas, every single one, how. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.960 Many of these Muslim groups actually do. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.400 In September, in Manchester, a man by the name of 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.920 Jihad al Chami drove a car into pedestrians outside a 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.120 synagogue and then proceeded to stab them, with two Jews 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:29.720 being killed in the terror attack. The Australian Muslim Advocacy 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.640 Network is spearheading this terror law change, Yet I am 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.200 yet to find any evidence that a statement was made 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.200 by this group in the wake of Manchester. And secondly, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:44.400 it also requires Muslim groups to denounce literal interpretation of 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:49.120 Versus in sacred texts that call for jihad. Take the 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.800 Sahi Bukhari, for example, which says quote Allah's messenger said, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.360 the hour will not be established until you fight with 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.240 the Jews. And the stone behind which a Jew will 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.880 be hiding will say, Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:05.080 hiding behind me, so kill him. Now many Muslims would 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.400 argue those passages are not a command or an incitement, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:13.400 rather a prediction, but this disproportionate argument by these fifteen 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:14.120 groups does. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:14.920 Not stack up. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:20.120 The Australian is also reporting that Anglican organizations supported changes 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:25.560 to remove religion as a form of terrorist motivation in solidarity. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.600 With Muslim groups. Now this is truly, truly extraordinary. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.559 Has the Anglican Church forgotten that almost a dozen members 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.079 of a Kenyan Anglican church were murdered by Al Shabab 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.040 militants in twenty fourteen in two attacks, including one when 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.040 a bus traveling to Nairobi was stopped by terrorists who 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.920 bought it and asked each passenger to take a faith test. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:51.160 Anyone who failed to recite Quran versus was shot. And then, 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.000 of course there's the useless Australian Human Rights Commission, which 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.880 ought to be defunded, warning that linking religion and terrorism 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.680 stigmatizes faith groups. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.720 So it's all about a perception, all. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:09.400 About feels, people's feelings, hurt feelings, not at all about shootings, stabbings, 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:13.640 mass murders, beheadings, kidnappings, rape, torture, the countless number of 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.360 innocent victims around the world, many in the name of 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.520 radical Islam and Allah akba. But we will all just 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.200 pretend and make it all go away by changing our. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.920 Laws just because it feels like the right thing to do. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.160 It will put us all at risk and only inspire 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.400 those who seek us harm, especially those whose values are 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:38.560 incompatible with ours and incompatible with a Western democracy. Now 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.160 let's hope Labor shuts this down immediately. All will the 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.520 Prime Minister call for another Islamophobia review to save face. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.719 Victoria is in the middle of a crime crisis, has 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.720 record debt services are a breaking point, and just sent 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.720 to Allen's priority is all wrong again, starts with treaty 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.560 and now she's embarking on an apology tour to the 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.240 Stolen Generation. The Premier has called an extraordinary sitting of 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.240 Parliament for next month to make another apology to Victoria's 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:12.480 Indigenous population. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:14.920 This will be the fourth. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.080 Apology to Indigenous Australians in the state four because of 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.679 course one wasn't enough. The special sitting of Parliament will 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.480 be convened on December nine, where Premier just Into Alan 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.760 will make a formal apology to First Nations Victorians, acknowledging 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.560 practices that led to systemic injustices, dispossession, displacement and violence. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.000 The first apology was issued by former Premier Jeff Kennett 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.640 in nineteen ninety seven. Just Into Allen apologized in February 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.760 last year to Victorian children who were abused while in 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.920 state care between nineteen twenty eight and nineteen ninety a number. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:49.800 Of whom were Indigenous. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.719 In October last year, she issued an in person apology 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:58.080 to those eligible for the Stolen Generation's reparations package and 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:58.760 never deterred. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:12:59.480 The Premier is. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.559 Doing it as agreed to as part of the state's 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.319 treaty and why four you ask well? According to Jacinta Alan, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.640 we are addressing the systemic injustices of the past to 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.920 build a better future for all Victorians, grounded in mutual 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:19.000 respect and understanding. Now notice this all Victorians lingo that 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.760 she keeps using what's in it for all Victorians because 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.600 just like the treaty, it only serves to accommodate the 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.080 sixty five thousand in the state who identify as Aboriginal, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:31.720 not the seven million. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:32.920 Now, I'm not. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.640 Denying Wrongdoo's wrongdoings were made. Bad things happened many, many 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:37.640 years ago. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.120 But why is up to Justin. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.520 To Alan to make apologies on behalf of all Victorians 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.280 for something all Victorians had nothing to do with under 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.480 the guise of making life better for all Victorians. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:52.520 And where does it end? 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.160 I mean the treaty was only signed into law two 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.160 weeks ago and formerly comes into effect next month, and 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.000 already changes are happening. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.640 It's the Victorian taxpayer who is going. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.319 To cop the repercussions everyday, hard working citizens who've done 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.640 nothing wrong but are being made out to be the 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.200 enemy and as the people responsible for any injustice so. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.079 That the premier can feel good about her self. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.560 This is race based politics and it is not out 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.880 of the realms of possibility to say that compensation is next, 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.440 and what exactly is this latest. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:24.360 Apology going to achieve? 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.720 I mean, it's been seventeen years since Kevin Wright issued 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:29.680 this national apology. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:35.200 For the pain, suffering and hurt of these stolen generations, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.440 their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.800 And what has actually changed since that moment? Because the 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.000 outcomes for Aboriginal Australians are the same, if not worse. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.720 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners account for thirty seven 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.400 percent of all persons in custody. Indigenous people are fifteen 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.480 to twenty times more likely than non Indigenous people to 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.840 commit violent offenses. They are more likely to leave school 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.960 earlier than non Indigenous Australians, are more likely to die earlier. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.040 So again, what has actually changed? 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.480 Victorian labour can keep going on this divisive path with 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.080 treaty and now another apology, but the more it talks 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.560 about it, the less time is being spent on the 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.560 ground closing the gap. It's all symbolic for Jesinta Allen 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.680 because if this upcoming apology was truly about substance and 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.080 meaningful change, then why has almost one hundred and seventy 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.480 million dollars been allocated in the twenty twenty five twenty 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:38.200 six state budget for Aboriginal services across health, education, housing 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.920 and other programs. And that's on top of the seven 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.640 hundred and forty seven million dollars spent in the twenty 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.880 twenty two twenty three financial year alone on those programs. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.960 How about Jainta Allen start making life better for all 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:57.520 Victorians and actually tackle issues that impact all Victorians like crime. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.760 And I'll catch up with Warren Mandine on this shortly. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.920 And don't forget Jonathan Lees out of Control Victoria's Crime 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.240 Crisis Special, which airs at seven thirty pm Australian Eastern 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:14.200 daylight time this Sunday. Let's get into it now. Joining 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.720 me is National's Deputy leader Kevin Hogan. Kevin, good to 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.480 have you back on the show. Thanks for joining me. 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.720 Let's start with Barnaby Joyce. Should the Nationals have done 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.320 more to keep him in the party. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.680 Well, look, some may say that, Danika, and they may 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.480 be right, they may be wrong. Look, I'm very sad 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.880 to see Barnaby go. I don't think anything anyone would 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.520 have said would have changed that. A lot of people 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.520 have spoken to him. I had a few quick chats 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.160 with him over the last few weeks as well. He 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.880 said he wanted time and space to make his decision. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.560 Ran into him at church on Sunday last Sunday and Canberra, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.640 so I'm at the gym this week. It was always civil, 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.760 it was always respectful. I was always asking him how 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.080 he was, how the boys were. I had no personal 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.000 crimina recrimination against him. I think it was quite obvious 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.960 Daneka that he doesn't like where he sits in the chamber, 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.080 and that's what this was about. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.560 Well, I mean, he was blaming very pertinently leadership on 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.960 his decision that in particular, I'm David little proud. When 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.080 you spoke to him over the last few weeks, did 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.840 you offer him reasons to stay? 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.360 No, it was just look, he'd asked for time and space, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.800 you know. And so I was just always respectful and 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.080 always just chatting about how things were and what was 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.360 happening generally in life, as you would, as any respectful 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.399 person would. But you know this is I mean, one 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.840 of my colleagues said today, you know, it's like when 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:29.760 someone says they want to break up with you and 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.280 they need time and space to make the decision. You 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.400 don't ring them every day either about it, because that's 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.239 not how they want to operate this. But look, I 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.359 like Barnaby personally. He's been a really important part of 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.960 the National's Party family over the last twenty years. The 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.880 party room elected him to be leader twice, which gave 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.280 him the deputy Prime Minister twice. I am disappointed and 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.680 said that he's left. I'm especially sad for the local 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.680 members who've supported him over many, many decades. But look, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.359 he made it quite obvious to Meka. 0:17:58.400 --> 0:17:58.880 This is no. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.160 Secret about this. He left because he doesn't like where 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.440 he sits in the chamber and that was that. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.800 I want to play you a little bit of what 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.560 National Senator Matt Canavan said to my colleague Shari last night. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:12.200 Have a listen to this. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.640 We have now lost three members of the party room 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.880 to defections, and we lost a senator at the last 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.560 election as well, and so that's almost a fifth of 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.840 our room gone in the last few years. And look, 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.760 to lose one member of your team to defection could 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.959 be misfortune, as Oscar Wilde would say, lose another might 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.080 be carelessness. But to lose a third now just looks 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.520 like recklessness. We can't keep losing people. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:41.560 Blaming the leadership, blaming David Proud, You're blaming David. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.040 It's incumbent. It's incumbent on the leaders in particular. I've 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.679 spoken to former leaders of the party about this, and 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.280 it's a lot hurting cats in this place obviously, and 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.399 a lot of things that go on that you and 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.359 the public wouldn't even know about. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.159 Kevin, I mean, the point you keep losing people, is 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.359 that a reflection on the leadership. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.439 Look, I think you know, you could certainly say that 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.120 Barnaby said he has issues with David, but look, Barnaby 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.359 had issues with Michael McCormack when he was leader as well, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.480 and I make that point. But look with Andrew g. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.080 Andrew G left the party because he did not agree 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.560 with the position of the Nationals on the voice. We 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.400 said no to the voice. Andrew g left the Nationals 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.760 party room because he did not agree with our collective 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.119 decision on the voice and just said to left and 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.359 as quite well articulated why she left. She wants to 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.119 be the prime minister. She couldn't be the prime minister 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.480 with the Nationals. She wanted to join the Liberal because 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.800 she had further ambition. So I don't think that reflects 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.840 on David's leadership. But look, you know i'd make this 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.399 point too when you're talking about leadership. Deni kas we 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.640 landed net zero under David's leadership in a unanimous position. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.639 We led the Voice Opposition to the Voice, the first 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.600 political entity in Australia to do that. Under David's leadership, 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.920 he has strong support in the room. Albeit I understand 0:19:59.920 --> 0:20:02.320 that some people Barnaby is disgrunted where he sits in 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:02.760 the chamber. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:04.960 How would you feel if he does go to One. 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:11.280 Nation, Well, that would hurt. I mean, I'd be very 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.040 disappointed if he went with One Nation. Look, you know, 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.920 we all understand if you know you got demoted at 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.720 a job, no one's happy about that. We understand when 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.280 people get demoted. It happens in politics, happens in normal 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.160 business life as well any workplace environment. I understand Barnaby's 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.960 disappointment about this, but I'd make this as Michael McCormack has. 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.639 Michael McCormack has been Leader of the National Party. Michael 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.840 McCormack has been Deputy Prime Minister as well. He's still 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.080 a member of the Nationals and still sitting in the chamber. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:40.359 Before we let you go, I just want to ask 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.240 you about Labour's environmental laws that pass Parliament this morning 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.399 with the help of the Greens. I know that you 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:50.520 were there as it went through. What does it mean now, Donika? 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.120 I think this is I think is a really sad 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.200 day for Australia's economic future. I mean they were all 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.840 sharing a great celebration today, Denika, between the Labor and 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.840 the Greens. It was almost a group hug between Sarah 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.960 Hanson Young came over the chamber of the Greens MP 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:05.800 in the House of Reps. It was like a big 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.480 loving between Labor and the Greens this morning in the 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.760 House of Reps. A disaster for our economic future. Why 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.640 do I say that so many coal companies, so many 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.600 gas producers and energy producers in this country are now 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.600 saying if the laws it got passed today were in 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.680 place when they were trying to get their projects up 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.640 in the last few years or decades, those projects wouldn't 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.280 have got up. And I say right now, just gasing 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.880 coal alone produce over two hundred billion dollars a year 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.760 and ext board income. It's funding things like Medicare. It 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.560 funds things like Indie ice, the royalties and the taxes 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.160 that those company and people and work in those industries pay. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.240 And this has been an econ. We won't see it tomorrow, 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:45.959 we might not see it for the next year or two, 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.960 but over time this is going to do great economic 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:49.959