WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 13 August 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.600 General Man, Welcome to the late play. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:10.760 Well good evening, Thanks for joining us. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.960 I'm James Macpherson, with Liz Storra and Caleb Bond coming 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:14.600 up tonight. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:16.560 The Dublin Zoo have a unique. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.520 Strategy to teach an orangutang how to care for its young. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.040 We'll talk about that later. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.040 Plus when we look at the papers, the latest nap 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.320 plan results are out bad news for parents and even 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.360 worse news for students. Plus the Victorian government, Renegg's on 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.680 a plan to raise the age of criminal responsibility. We 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.960 get to all of that when we look at tomorrow's papers. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.360 But first, the government unveiled a new digital ID today 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.839 that no one is asking for and that promises to 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.200 help us do what we're already doing without government interference. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.320 The government is calling it the Trust Exchange, which sounds 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.160 a little or wellyan when the government asks you to 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.800 trust them and wheels out bill shorten of all people 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.000 to do the asking, well, that should be a big red. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.080 Text is something brand new and world leading. It is 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:10.000 not a wallet, nor an app nor ID, but rather 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.760 it is a secure means by which to exchange with 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.760 a third party who you are, your identity and what 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.720 you can do your Credentials Service. Australia is partnering with 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.000 other government systems to develop texts to give Australians the 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.640 ability to verify their identity and credentials based on official 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.520 information already held by the Australian government. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.440 So the idea is you go to a club or 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.360 a hotel and scan a QR code that connects your 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.319 information on you GOV with the third party's computer system 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.880 verifying your ID, or you could just you know, pull 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.199 out your driver's license. The government's spending eleven point four 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.240 million dollars and collaborating with that trusted partner Google because 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.480 we know they're trustworthy to develop the Trust Exchange. Now 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.880 this comes as lab prepares to officially launch its digital 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.600 ID on Decet first, with Katie Gallagher today assuring Australians 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.520 were still bloodied and bruised by what governments did to 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.440 them during the pandemic, that we can trust the government. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.440 We have been very clear. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.520 It is a voluntary system, it is a safe system, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.000 it is a secure system, and it's simply a means 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.919 of verifying yourself in a way that gives you control 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:25.799 of your own documentation. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.360 Voluntary, safe and secure lizid trust the government with all 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:32.079 of your information. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:33.120 Never. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:38.240 I mean, this is truly a backflip from the usual 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.000 motors upperande of the government. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.680 Right. So normally with. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.359 Every policy, with every new law that they come up with, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.840 the strategy is first, we've got to make the people 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:53.160 want it, right, so we talk about whatever the case 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.799 may be, so that the people are crying out for 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.000 a solution, and then we the government say, oh, that's 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.120 so terrific. Is a solution that I prepared earlier and 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.560 always wanted to roll out. But now that the government 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.040 and the media has done a number on you, the public, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.320 and you're crying out for it, now we look like 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:15.000 the saviors. Every single time you have a measure like 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:21.519 this which increases people's reliance on the government while increasing 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.320 the government's power over the people. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.680 That right there is the access of evil. That is 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.119 where you go no bad policy. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.080 We do not want it. And as much as they 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.560 keep saying, oh, it's totally opt in, if you don't 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.280 want it, you. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.880 Know, vote with your feet, I hope we do Australia. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.840 I hope this ends up being an absolute burning dumpster 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.720 fire of an idea. I hope they waste every single 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.080 million that they spend on it because the takeup is 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.600 so low. But the plan seems to be here that 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.680 the corporates will then take this on. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.080 So Bill Shorten. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:58.040 Talked about at the press conference today. Telstra and Google 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.120 have welcomed the opportunity. Tell you know the one that 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:06.760 got hacked just like five minutes ago, and hundreds, hundreds 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.160 and hundreds it was thousands and thousands actually of their 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.640 customers had their data. It was a massive breach and 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.680 everyone was up and arms about it. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:16.800 So again to. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.960 Us the experts, I'm sure it'll go don't find this time. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.719 But they're trying to convince us now that oh it's 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.960 so onerous producing your license, isn't it. Don't you hate 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.560 traveling with a passport? What a peski passport? 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.240 These things aren't onerous. Nobody has asked the government for this. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.000 So instead of convincing the people like they normally do, 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.440 all there's a massive problem and we need to fix it, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.080 and the people cry out for it, and then. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.000 They say, oh, oh, here we go, they're. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:52.679 Instead just introducing this measure and everyone's sat there going, 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.920 hang on a minute, we don't want this. We already 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.760 know that if the government wanted to access a lot 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.120 of information on us, they can at the click of 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.159 a button. They've got your passport, they've got your driver's license, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.599 they've got you jaywalking three years ago. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.000 At the intersection of this and that. But what this 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.880 is going to do is. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:18.400 Usher in an autocratic, technocratic type government. Where As we've 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.880 heard Edward Snowden and so many other whistleblowers over the 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.920 years talk about this is talking about getting all your 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.960 information in one spot them, or you use that digital ID, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:35.320 They've got everything on you with just using whatever number 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.200 you're given as a digital ID. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.880 And this is truly. 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.160 Nefarious at a time when we're seeing people in the 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.760 UK or a three thousand of them just last year 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.360 arrested for a post that they've made on Facebook. So 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.719 keep in mind their capacity now to store your data, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.480 collect everything on you, how you're spending your money, what 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.960 you're spending your money on, your life location, when you're 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:05.080 spending that money. Therefore, you've got your values already spelled out. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.680 The power this gives them to control you as an 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.320 individual is unprecedented. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.760 No government should have this much control. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.320 I want to say when Shorten was talking about we're 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.039 going to develop techs. My first thought was, well, the 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.479 Adelaide Crow's great Taylor Walker has already scored six hundred 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.960 and thirty nine goals for the Crows. We don't need 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.000 to develop him at all. You've woken up finally shortened. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.600 He's a Melbourne man. I'm sure he understands he's AFL. 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.839 But it's interesting here because it does potentially fix one problem. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.880 And that one problem is that if you go to 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.520 a club or something right and you have to give 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.919 your license over in order to enter it, you've got 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.600 private companies that you know, we don't know what sort 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:53.640 of rules and regulations they have around collecting that personal information, 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.840 so that there's a problem in the system where that 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.200 could be hacked, stolen, et cetera. And so what they're 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:00.760 saying is this is a if you are code that 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.040 you'll be able to use that verifies your identity without 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.040 necessarily giving your identity to that business, et cetera. Fine, 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.920 I understand that, but what that means is then centralizing 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.760 all of that data in one place with the government. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.280 So sure, you might be concerned that the club that 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.800 you've given a copy of your license to could be 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.320 hacked or someone at that club could go through that 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.160 data and steal it and use it for a nefarious purpose. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.960 But you then set up a system that basically says 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.800 to anyone, well, if you want shed loads of data 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.760 and personal information, this is the one place to go 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.040 and steal it from. And it opens up the possibility 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.920 that the government is then tracking where you are going, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.080 because if you are using a government system to prove 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:51.360 your identity at a club or a pub, or an airport. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:51.920 Or whatever it might be. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.360 If you're going for a rental and you need to 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.120 prove your identity to a real estate agency, etc. The 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.640 government could then potentially track every place where. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:03.400 You have used that. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.320 So we go back to COVID, where we had QR 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.720 codes that we were cemant to use I use the 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:14.160 word meant advisedly there to check into certain venues because 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.480 they were doing contact tracing, et cetera. And we were told, 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.680 don't worry, that's all water tight, that data is not 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.440 going to be used by police or anything. But we 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.960 saw in WA that that check in data was accessed 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.120 by police in some cases for criminal cases that were 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.240 as minor as you know, a scuffle on a party 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.720 strip on a Saturday Night. Like, we're not talking about 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.640 murder and rape. We're talking about. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:40.720 Pretty low level crimes. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.640 That the Western Australian Police were accessing that data to 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.240 make their job easier. And so if you're handing it, yeah, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.960 so if you're using that government system, it opens up 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.040 the possibility that those cookies are being kept and that 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.679 a law enforcement agency or another government agency may want 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.160 to use that for its owner at another time. So, yes, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.880 you plug the one hole of the danger of personal 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.960 information being stolen by a third party. But you've then 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.800 concentrated even more personal data with an even bigger. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.320 Entity, the entity that rules your entire life. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.079 And we're say, yes, that's going to solve the problems 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.320 of personal privacy. I don't think so. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.319 And of course you've got the development of a digital 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.480 idea at the same time that they're working on a 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.359 central bank digital currency. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:27.960 A blind Freddie can see. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.760 You put those two things together and you get a 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.840 situation where literally you are at the mercy of a 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.400 bureaucratic whim who can cut you off immediately from all 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.520 sorts of things, including your ability to spend or to 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:46.000 use carbon. And we've already seen in justin Trudeau's Canada 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.960 that they just shut down or froze people's bank accounts 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:54.080 because they protested against government policies. So it's inch by inch, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.080 little by little, but there's enough people ringing alarm bells, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.800 and yet the government just keep pushing through. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.040 And the original. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.040 Legislation for the digital ID was rushed through the Senate 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.080 with barely an opportunity for anyone to even speak to it, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.600 which should be another red flag that when the government 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.280 won't allow any debate on an issue, they know that 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.280 it's something that should raise objection. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.200 And it's the same as last week we're talking about 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:19.600 a story. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.480 It was the International Airport at Abu Dhabi where they're 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.360 going to introduce facial recognition that means you can move 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.880 through the entire airport, through security, through your gate, etc. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.720 Without ever having to produce your passport or your visa documents, etc. 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.360 Because all of that will already be collated and they'll 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.600 be able to tell who you are by using a 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.760 camera that scans your face and then suddenly has all 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.720 of this information in front of you. And on the 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.240 face of it, a lot of people will go that 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.320 makes my life easier, and so they buy into that 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.640 because it feels like it's a more convenient system. But 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.000 every time you sell off a little bit of convenience, 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.360 you're selling someone else your data. And as we always say, 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.360 if the product is free, you are the product. You 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.600 are the thing they are tracking because your data is 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.640 so damn valuable. And while we're talking about craziness from government, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.080 let's go to local government. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.880 In Queensland. The Mayor Tom. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.080 Tate, the Mayor of the Gold Coast, that is Tom Tate, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.920 has been investigated by the Office of the Independent Assessor, 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.120 which is sort of a governing body that looks over 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.800 and assesses misbehavior within councils in Queensland, and has found 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:37.760 that mister Tate committed misconduct. He was discriminatory by describing 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.319 a new counselor as a ranger. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:41.520 Can you believe it? 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.439 It's you can't call someone a ranger anymore. Now. All 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.960 of this started from a post that was put online 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.400 by John Paul Langbrook, who is an MP on the 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:57.480 Sunshine Coast. He's a mate of this new councilor, Joe Wilkinson, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.360 and he was just pointing out that another ranger has 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.400 been elected to the Gold Coast Council because he replaced 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.440 another ranger who was the former councilor for that board, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.920 and then Tom Tait, the mayor, jumped on board and said, 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.160 oh yeah, another ranger, so. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:11.960 And so so. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.240 He was then questioned about this at a press conference, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.360 where he again used the offending word ranger. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.760 Oh I don't know as a wranger, so what can 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:30.920 I say? It doesn't matter diversity. Bob Lacastro ran. Bob 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:36.599 Lacaster's opposition ran on diversity. In Bob's words, he was 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.679 on stage, he goes diversity. I don't know if anyone 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:45.360 noticed that he is black. So we've got diversity. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:45.960 Here, you know. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:52.960 I think Owen Jones, retired counselor, he was a ranger. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.360 You lose one rang again another ranger? What the hell? 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.600 That's what the Gold Coast all about. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.680 Seriously, who could take issue with that? Lose one ranger, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.000 get another ranger. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:06.120 I thought it was fine. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.920 And by the way, Tom Tator's evasion descends himself, so 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.200 surely he has a free bass to say whatever the 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.240 hell he likes about anyone. He certainly would have faced 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.720 a lot more discrimination and racism in his life, particularly 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.160 as a child growing up in Australia. You can imagine 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.160 the slurs that would have been thrown at him. But 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.600 he calls someone a ranger and the Office of the 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.360 Independent Assessor has gone after him. They've now referred it 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.880 to the Council and suggested that they discipline him. He 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.280 has said that he will fight any action they try 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.320 to take. And it's worth noting that the councilor Joe 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.520 Wilkinson himself has said that he is a quote unquote 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.680 proud ranger. He was never contacted by the Office of 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:50.120 the Independent Assessor about this complaint. It was an anonymous 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.640 complaint that someone else put in saying that the use 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:57.480 of ranger is comparing redheaded people to a ranger. Tang's 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.400 And we know the situation where a pub investigatory body 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.120 in Queensland has spent public money looking into a mayor 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.600 because he called someone a ranger and the ranger in 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.280 question wasn't even offended. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.040 Do me a favor. This is the culture now. 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.160 The person who's supposed to be offended doesn't even need 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.720 to be offended. In fact, he wasn't even asked about it. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.520 But somebody else is up in arms about it, and 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.000 once their day in court and we're now. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.200 Honestly, if I was a rate payer in the Gold Coast, 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.240 I would be up in arms about this too. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.480 What kind of nonsense are you spending our dollars on? 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.840 Thank you very much during acrost of living crisis. No less, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.440 we're supposed to be concerned about this. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:43.280 I'd love to. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.680 Hear from a coalition of rangers say, is this offensive? 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.360 Do you find this offensive? I personally adore rangers. I 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.480 literally cannot see a natural ranger in public without walking 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.440 up to them and being like, you are a god 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.920 among men. Sixteen year old finishing his slurpy at Machers 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.800 with his mates being like thanks. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.480 Because I just think it's incredible. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.800 You're red headed mail and your fancy Liz storer. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.680 See this brilliant color of hair, and they're just like 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.080 represent you can't miss them. I would be proud as 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.360 heck to be a ranger. And that's exactly what the 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:22.880 counselor in question has said. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.880 The big question for me on this story is are 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.800 you still haing to call people like a copper top? 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:27.560 Is that okay? 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.720 Wellinger? 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.440 The Office of Independent Assessor found that they found four things. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.600 Number One, ranger means a ranger team, so effectively, you're 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:39.760 calling someone a monkey. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.240 I literally never put that together until tonight. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.440 Thank god we have the Office of Independent Assessor to 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.440 make such decisions. Second, they found that the term ranger 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.400 is associated with discriminatory feelings, so now they're ruling on 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.640 the feelings of an anonymous person. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.120 Who we don't even know. If they were present when 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:05.520 this was made, they certainly weren't offended. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.840 Third, they found that the use of the word in 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.440 this context was not funny. So now the Independent Assessor 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.560 are ruling on what is funny and what is not 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.880 without even asking the person who was the subject of 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.600 the word. So the other funny thing about this is 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.600 the Independent Assessor found that in twenty twenty one. So 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.520 they went back three years and found Tom Tait has 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.320 previous form because three years ago he made a joke 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.080 about Chinese people, saying you wouldn't want a cat near 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.000 them because Chinese people might cats. He apologized for that, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.480 said it was inappropriate, but the Office of Independent Assessor said, ah, 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:46.680 you've got form. You've been saying naughty things previously got through. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.200 His Asian man who made an Asian joke. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.800 But the fact that you said something three years ago 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.920 or not influenced the independent assessor's decision. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.840 He doesn't even have a digital ida yet, and they're 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.800 able to be like, there's that thing that he posted 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:02.960 three years ago. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.480 I mean, this is just utterly this is the laughing stock. 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:12.520 This is absolutely everyone in government at every level, state, local, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.359 and federal, should just be like, can you not do 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.159 these things? Because it just makes us look more of 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:20.920 a joke than we already do. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.359 The person who made the complaint should be charged with 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.240 being a public nuisance and you should not be allowed 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:30.919 to make anonymous complaints, especially like that about public officials, 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.600 because essentially you put them through I don't know how 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.880 many well, this complaint was made in April the press conference, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.280 so presumably it's been months that Tom Tait, who's supposed 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.000 to be running one of the largest cities in the country, 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.640 our tourist capital, he's been dealing with this rubbish. God 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.240 knows how much money's been spent on it. Find the 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.360 anonymous complainte and send them the invoice. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.960 You can't even call a ranger a ranger anymore. I mean, look, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.639 this is you're if you're the complainant and you're watching 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.719 something for your ranger Ranger, Ranger, Ranger, Ranger, Ranger, right 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:03.560 the way. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.719 There's no way the complainant watches sky. Let's be honest, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.400 if they were a skywatcher, they'd have far better things 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:11.480 to do with their time. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.320 To the US now, where Elon Musk has. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:19.000 Had an interview with Donald Trump on his platform X. 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:23.080 This was literally a live phone conversation that everybody in 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.199 the world got to listen into. 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.320 But it was a bit late going to air on. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.680 X because they had a massive cyber attack against their servers. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:38.760 Someone didn't want this conversation going live. Here's Elon Musk 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.639 explaining at the very beginning of the call why it 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:42.640 was a bit late. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:48.720 Sorry, guys, We unfortunately had a massive distributed nail service 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:56.440 attack against our servers and saturated all of our deadlines. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:02.080 As this massive attack illustrates a lot of opposition to 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:07.119 people just hearing what President Trump has to say. 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:13.359 The combined views and subsequent conversations following that phone conversation 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.879 that everyone could listen into already has over one billion 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:25.080 impressions on X, far reaching reach that obviously someone didn't 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:29.040 want these guys to have. Here's a reporter prior to 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.880 this conversation asking out the White House Press secretary. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.119 This conversation's going to take place. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.440 We're worried about misinformation, disinformation by two of the most 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.000 powerful men on earth. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:43.760 What are you guys going to do about it? Are 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.879 you going to go? Are you going to do anything 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:46.400 about this? 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.720 Elon Musk is slated to interview Donald Trump tomorrow tonight 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.480 on X. I don't know if the President's going today. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.879 Feel free to say if he is or not. But 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:03.359 I think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:08.240 campaign issue, It's an America issue. What role does the 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:12.800 White House or the President have and sort of stopping that, 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.960 or stopping the spread of that, or sort of intervening 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:17.280 in that. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.840 You've heard us talk about this many times from here 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.520 about the responsibilities that social media platforms have. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:29.520 How scared are these people of a simple conversation between 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.200 two men that we can all listen into. I mean, 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.760 do me a favor. European Commissioner Terry Bretton literally took 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.320 to X prior to the conversation to warn everyone. He said, 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.639 with great audience comes greater responsibility, as there is a 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:52.159 risk of amplification of potentially harmful content in connection with 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.160 events with a major audience around the world. I sent 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.679 this letter to Elon Musk and there was this letter 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:04.320 the size of a Gutenberg Bible, expressing his concerns over 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.560 what may or may not be discussed during this conversation. 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:14.480 Elon Musk quickly treated this meme from Tropic Thunder. He said, 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.600 this is what I really wanted to say. Back to 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:25.000 Terry Breton. You can read that for yourself. So Elon 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:30.239 Musk obviously is not taking any of this nonsense, and 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:34.359 thank goodness, these conversations are taking place. The reason why 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.160 Elon Musk wanted to have this conversation is he said, 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.840 you know, in all these interviews that people see with Trump, 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.600 and they're normally quite hostile interviews, you're not seeing the 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.360 real person. And given to me, he's a real person 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:52.439 that I have conversations with, not every day, but by the bye, 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.080 I want them to see that kind of Trump. And 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.639 how just talking for a couple of hours, which they did, 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.119 you see a different side of someone. And they talked 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:08.240 about a plethora of different of issues plaguing not just 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:13.520 America but the world. It was incredibly entertaining. Who wouldn't 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.040 want to be across that? And yet somebody, a great 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:21.879