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Speaker 3: Explain you know, I guess this is the state of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh mate, it was huge. It was huge and

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Speaker 1: the seventies mid seventies, most bands played in church halls

431
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: you know in the country, you know they do. And

432
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 1: this was before my time. When I joined, the pubs

433
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: were just starting. And that was in Melbourne. I first

434
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: played in my first professional bands in Melbourne and played

435
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: six it's a week in these pubs and I guess it.

436
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: By the time I got back here at the beginning

437
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: of the eighties, it was it was huge. You go

438
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: out to these there's no internet, no Spotify, no mobile phones.

439
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: People would work all week and want to go out

440
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: and just no h and s so that you'd get

441
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: two thousand people packed into a pub, used to rain

442
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: inside so hot, and you'd play and they if you

443
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: were introverted, or if you were kind of shy, or

444
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: if you were you know, insular or in any way,

445
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: or they just throw shit at you. Serious, absolutely absolutely

446
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: so we this thing happened. We call it. You know,

447
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: you are someone from Guns n' Roses or Nirvana or

448
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: all these bands overseas, and they talk about an Australian sound,

449
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: which is this sort of aggressive Russian and it's even

450
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: you know artists like Paul Kelly have it, you know,

451
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: where they had to sort of confront an audience in

452
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: a pub. Is that for real though? Yeah? Absolutely absolutely?

453
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: Oh mate? And then how do you dominate? Is it about?

454
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 3: Then then you're confronting, but it is also then I'm

455
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 3: going to dominate this audience. I'm going to get on

456
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: top with my sound YEP and my.

457
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: Movement yeah sound. And they wanted to, you know, they

458
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: wanted to be satisfied. If they weren't satisfied, they'd throw

459
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: stuff out there. And it was glass and it wasn't plastic.

460
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: How go. Was that.

461
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I sort of like it. I mean I

462
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: shouldn't say that, but I sort of like it.

463
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: And I was in a band that had a female singer.

464
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: That made it a bit tougher, and she she confronted him.

465
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: Oh, and she she was in a I mean, there

466
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: were no other female singers who did that. Then you know,

467
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: you have Renee Gayer and you know, but not a

468
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: rock rock singer. She was. She was one. She was

469
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: on the outer you know, and people didn't take us seriously.

470
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: And out of all the people I've played with in

471
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: my life, I mean, she was the real deal. She

472
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a novelty actor. It was her spirit, you know,

473
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: it was her She learned when she first started in

474
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: the band. She would stand with her back to the audience,

475
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: and she learned that she could be a personality. She

476
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: learned that kind of from Barry Humphries. Really, how Barry

477
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: Humphries could say or do anything in character. She learned

478
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: she could do the same thing in character. I mean

479
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: she was pretty fiery woman off stage too, but she

480
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: confronted those audiences. And we'd go out to those big

481
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: suburban pubs in the early eighties, and you know, the

482
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: band was an energetic band anyway, but she do you know,

483
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: some guy ll stuff at her in the crowd and

484
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: she'd be into the crowd and fighting people, and absolutely

485
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: I had to get into the crowd pull her out

486
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: of the crowd. And people learned pretty quickly that the

487
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: crowds learned that she wasn't to be messed with. Don't

488
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: not be trifling with her. I mean, does that give you?

489
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: Did that energize you though? Absolutely? Yeah, incredible. And we

490
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: used to I mean, she's an incredibly beautiful looking girl, chrissy,

491
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, and she'd be doing a kind of monster

492
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: act we used to call it at the crowd and

493
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: she'd be out on the pa or she'd be, you know,

494
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: doing that and she turned around to look at us,

495
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: and she'd give you a look like what am I doing?

496
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: You know? And you'd look out there and there'd just

497
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: be it'd be fights, all sorts of stuff going on

498
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: out there in the crowd. It was wild. They were

499
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: wild times, wild times.

500
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: Could you sort of give me a description, so a

501
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: learned description, like, yeah, a bit of a scription, maybe

502
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: a narrative when you're when you arrive at the pub

503
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: that you're going to perform at and you're just setting

504
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: up you guys. I guess you said it before everyone

505
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: arrives or something like that, But like, what's the feeling

506
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 3: between everybody you and the rest of the band before

507
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: you actually get on the stage and performed, Like, what

508
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: are you guys doing?

509
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: Do you mean now or no? Then?

510
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: Back then, just back then, before you knew you knew

511
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: you're going into confrontation years is going to be foragn

512
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: you knew the particular ven you're at. It had a

513
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: reputation amongst you and amongst others. What would you be doing?

514
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: I guess you were behind the stage, but at the

515
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: back of a room. Somebode were like, what was the

516
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: feeling before we had a thousand vodkas?

517
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: You couldn't. People used to say to me, you guys

518
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: must have been really out of it playing. You couldn't

519
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: do it physically. You couldn't do it in a band

520
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: like that. It was a workout like the Who the

521
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Gurus or a workout to physical workout. The Divinals were

522
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: physical workout. You could not do it. We'd have it,

523
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: maybe have a drink before, but what then We'd play

524
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: in these big suburban pubs and you'd go out there

525
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: and that's quite often there are no facilities. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

526
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: You'd have to share the dunnies and whatever would get

527
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: changed in the cool room or and sometimes there'd be

528
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: motels attached, so they give you a motel room and

529
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: we'd all be in there and Chrissy, how do you

530
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: want yourself up? Well? Everyone everyone go quiet really yeah,

531
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: into their respective you did warm up on you, and

532
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: we do it in the gurus. You know, everyone goes

533
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: pretty quiet and we don't really let anyone in the

534
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: last half an hour or forty minutes. And even today

535
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: my wife when I've got it, when I have to play,

536
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: my wife says, oh, he's got the head on. That's

537
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: what she'll say, because I get the performer's head. Yeah,

538
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: I start to think about it. And then it was

539
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: there was much more what's going to happen tonight. It's

540
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: like anticipation, Yeah, what's going to happen? Is there going

541
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: to be a big fight and people going to get

542
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: up on the stage. Road crews back then were guys

543
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: who were The music industry is starting starting to become

544
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: a lot more professional then early eighties, but essentially a

545
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: lot of the guys who were roadies for you were

546
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: guys who had been in prison or you know, there

547
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: were guys to protect the band from the audience. And

548
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, quite often you'd be after a show, you'd

549
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: be going out to the car to leave, and there'd

550
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: be guys out in the parking lot because you know,

551
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: you've smiled at some girl in the audience and some

552
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: guys you know, and the crew would be out there

553
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: trying to you know, microphone stands, and they ever be drunk,

554
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: you know.

555
00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: So you see, you're very performance folk, castand or focused.

556
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: We listened to ac DC just to wind yourselfup a

557
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: B a few ac DC songs. We turn right up

558
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: in the dressing room and get ourselves revved up. And Chrissy,

559
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: I mean everyone to get in there, think.

560
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: But Chrissy would get.

561
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: Very very sort of focused, and would she be like

562
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: the I don't call it the leader, but like was

563
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: she the person who kicks it off, like up on

564
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: the stage like you guys are at the back, strumming away,

565
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: et cetera, but like which she would get up the

566
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: front of everybody and start to wind the audience up

567
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: with her own performance.

568
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: Like people didn't you know. I mean it was a

569
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: great band came to see her. She's an incredible performer,

570
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: great singer, just so different, so unique. You know, it's

571
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: like she's just like angus. Are I remember it well?

572
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean did you can?

573
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: You? Were you? Your senses are all going like you're

574
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 3: up there on the on the stage, and your your

575
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: senses are going mental like obviously sound and watching what

576
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: people are doing and what you guys are doing. But

577
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: what about things like smells and can you remember smoke?

578
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, beer and smoke, beer and smoke. You come

579
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: off stage and you're clothes to be soaking wet, and

580
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: you put them in your bag. You go home, you

581
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: open your bag to get your clothes and it's just

582
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: like an ash tray with beer. You know, there'd just

583
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: be beer spilt everywhere.

584
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, and and and in terms of sound, can

585
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: you mostly just hear the music or you can hear

586
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: the audience?

587
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: What what do you make you don't hear the don't

588
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: you hear the sound? Really? Yes? Don't really? Between songs,

589
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, people yell stuff out and what were they saying?

590
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: They'd say stuff to Chrissy and get your tits out, Yeah,

591
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: stuff like that, she'd.

592
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: Be into the audience, she rip in. Oh she oh mate,

593
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: she'd be gone into the audience and what did you say? Yeah,

594
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: and she'd be She'd have bad she had bad eyesight,

595
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: so quite often she'd jump on the wrong guy. Ah

596
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: be going no it's him, and then guy running away.

597
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: But people got scared of her while, you know, because

598
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: she was she was she was very big, feisty. No

599
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: it's not very big. It's liked full on. Oh yeah, feisty.

600
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Any woman I've ever had a physical altercation with?

601
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: Really, So, how do what is the the interaction between

602
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: various members of the band.

603
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: Well, so, in the The Vinyls, it was like a

604
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: dysfunctional family. We were a gang when I first started

605
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: playing music. This is you know, it's different these days,

606
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: but I just I wanted to be part of a gang.

607
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be part of an orchestra. I

608
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: want to be part of a gang. And the The Vinyls,

609
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: out of all the bands I suppose I've been in,

610
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: and it was very much like that. We used to

611
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: fight between ourselves, but any outsider it was like, no,

612
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, we're very protective of one another. We spent

613
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: so much time together on buses and planes and you

614
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: know then you know, we'd go to America for six

615
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: months and there was no internet. You know, you'd be

616
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma and you try and make a phone call

617
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: to Australia and they go, what in the hotel? Then

618
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: you had to get them connected, so you'd be quite isolated.

619
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: So we learned to you know, we became quite quite

620
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: tight and rely on each other. But then you would

621
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: fight with each other too incredible because you were with

622
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: each other too much. And then Chrissy and our guitar

623
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: player Mark became we're in a relationship together, so that

624
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: was made it harder. That was a whole other thing.

625
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: And oh we've I've got many stories of going to

626
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Melbourne and get two higher cars in Melbourne and Chrissy

627
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: and Mark they'd set off with our tour manager and

628
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the three of us again and the other kind of

629
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: driving down the Tullamarine Freeway and there'd be Mark walking

630
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: down the middle of the freeway. Yeah, and he's you know,

631
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm not playing with her anymore. I've had it, you know,

632
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: so many fish, you know, punch ups. But it was

633
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: a man, it was intense, you know, and after you

634
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: finished playing everyone to drink and whatever, do whatever else

635
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: and and it was intense and it was chaotic.

636
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: But look, you'd finish what like you finished you said

637
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: it like I know in those days above its ten,

638
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: ten thirty, sometimes later than that later but then then

639
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: then because I mean then you're completely fucking hyped up.

640
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: So it depends on what. Yeah, So if we were

641
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: playing saying Sydney, we'd all go as it used to

642
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: be a place I'm sure you probably knew it called Manmer, Bennie's, Benni's. Yeah,

643
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: we'd be there, you go to Benni's. Yeah, oh yeah, Yeah,

644
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: I was scary.

645
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: I knew if I was and Bennie's, I was in

646
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: the wrong place because you know, like I knew the

647
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: blake who I owned the joint, or Kenny Carter and

648
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: he's one of the owners and neck and himself. But

649
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: it was a fucking scary, Like it wasn't scary place,

650
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: it was cool, but like you knew you you're in trouble,

651
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: you know, like especially if it was specially if it

652
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: was Sunday night, you knew you in trouble because you know,

653
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: in my casaid he had to work the next day

654
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: and starting to work in those days to a law

655
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: firm at nine am, and and it was it was

656
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: a pretty greasy wake up, you know.

657
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: But so Benny's a great example. Well it was the

658
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: mansl room. So that was the place that you could

659
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: go and you know, meet up with a lot of

660
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: your peers there. A lot of other bands have be

661
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: coming back and hanging out there. And many a time

662
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: I lived in a I lived in Paddington then and

663
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: I walk up, you stunt coming up walking home from

664
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: the man's room with your guitar sometimes and they were fun,

665
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, it was fun fun. It was fun times.

666
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: So obviously you ran a bit of problem, personal problem.

667
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: So how does that shit happen? Like how did you?

668
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I know how that you can start taking

669
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: drugs because that's the that was the vibe then. It

670
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: was like most people don't realize, but in the a's

671
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of coke around, Like everyone's getting drunk

672
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: and taking coke. In the seventies it was more more heroin.

673
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: A lot of pot late sixties and seventies, a lot

674
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: of pot. It was it just a natural movement for you. Well,

675
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: so heroin is a painkiller. You know, some people are

676
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: like the up drugs. But it was explained to me.

677
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: Once by a doctor. He said, you know, heroin comes

678
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: from morphine. Morphine was developed for soldiers, basically who and

679
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: morphine is not actually an anesthetic. What it does is

680
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: remove fear. Was that right, Yeah, And it works on

681
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: a certain part of the brain. It's not it's not

682
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: like an anesthetic. I mean, it's a painkiller, but it

683
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: works on a certain part of the brain that removes fear.

684
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: And so that's why, you know, some people love those drugs.

685
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I love that drug. You know. I first had it

686
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: in the seventies and didn't really think about it all

687
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: that much. I had it. There were some people i'd

688
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: started playing with when I first left school and they

689
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: were older than me, and they had some and I

690
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: smoked it and thought it was terrific, but I didn't

691
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: really think about it because I was I was how

692
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: do I put it? I was fulfilled by what I

693
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: was trying to do, you know, the music and the

694
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: excitement and playing with people, and that's all I wanted

695
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: to do. And the drug thing. I mean, I always

696
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: smoked pot and did whatever. I always enjoyed that, but

697
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: it didn't it came back into my life in the

698
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: eighties when I moved I moved back up here from Melbourne,

699
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: and it seemed to in the seventies, I guess, you know,

700
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: because of Vietnam, there are a lot of heroin came

701
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: into Australia, much more than coke, especially here in Sydney,

702
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know the vand Aerosmith. So this is

703
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: a funny little anecdote. I always love this. But they're

704
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: all in recovery, all those guys now. But we did

705
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: a tour with them in the the vinyls in the

706
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: in America in the eighties, and they're all trying to

707
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: stop taking drugs, and they're guitarist Joe Perry, who's kind

708
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: of the second coolest guy in music, you know, he's great,

709
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: and we had a great time and they were great,

710
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: great guys, and we did six weeks with them in America.

711
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: And it's a story in itself. But I remember talk

712
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: doing one day and he says, what's the coke like

713
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: in Australia, And I said, well, it's not really a

714
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: thing there. You know, it's in the eighties, you know,

715
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: it's not really such a I mean America in the

716
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: eighties it was everywhere. You go into a bar and

717
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: people have had it on the bar, and so it's

718
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: not really you know, we're much closer to Southeast Asia

719
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: in Australia, so it's a much more of a heroin

720
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: sort of thing there. And he looked at me without

721
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: a touch of irony and said, I got to get

722
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: down there. It's great. But yeah, I mean it was everywhere.

723
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: It was in your world. In my world, it was

724
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: a circle of friends I had. They started it started

725
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: to come in and on the weekends, we you know,

726
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: I was in a band called Matt Finish before the

727
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: di vinyls. It was a great band. It was doing

728
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: really well, and it sort of seeped into that band

729
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: a bit, and I didn't see it as as a

730
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: as a problem. Then it was.

731
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: Easy to easy to take to. You didn't have to injects.

732
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: If you smoke it, yeah yeah, you soaky weed in

733
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: it or something like that.

734
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: I really put on tinfoil and smoke it all. But

735
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: and when I when I, if I look at it,

736
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: I can just see there's steps. You know. It became

737
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: more and more prominent in your life, my life, my friends,

738
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: and then when I started playing with the vinyls, I

739
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: think pretty much because we were away so much, you know,

740
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: we were we were in America for for a month

741
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: and six months at a time, and there was coke

742
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: and alcohol and you know, but we were traveling and

743
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: m H, I didn't really think about it, and I'd

744
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: come back to Sydney and someone has died or someone's

745
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: gone to jail, or someone's disappeared, and you know, it's

746
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: all getting kind of dark. And then I guess h.

747
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: In the mid eighties, I had a partner and she

748
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: said to me one day, you should stop taking that

749
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: stuff because it could become a problem. And I was

750
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: really offended. I said, what, I can stop whenever I want.

751
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: She said try, and I couldn't know. Everything went downhill

752
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: from there and it became this was it was an

753
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: absolute nightmare, and it was like a secret. I could

754
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: keep it a secret. In my world music industry, you know,

755
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of pretty out there, especially then with alcohol

756
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and coke and speed and drugs like that, and heroin

757
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: had a certain stigma. You didn't tell people that you

758
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: were doing Hell.

759
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, coke was cool, marijuana was sort of cool, still

760
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: a little bit cool, but heroin.

761
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: Smacks mentioned that, and people sort of grabbed their wallets

762
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: and back away from it.

763
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: It was King's Cross and it was sort of like prostitute.

764
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: But is it part of that sort of a bit

765
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 3: darker scene. So I can give you a little example

766
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: of the progression. So it's nineteen eighty two. I go

767
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: up to the manseel room and they would basically roll

768
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: out of a carpet. They come in, what do you want?

769
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: Do you want this? And you don't? Free drinks and

770
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: meet this girl Rick, you know. By eighty five, I

771
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: went up there one night with a guy who was

772
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: a news He was in a band from New Zealand,

773
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: and we both used some some dope and we've gone

774
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: up there and they had these bounces, these two guys

775
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: who worked there who were notorious. One of them ended

776
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: up going to jail for murder with their big islander

777
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: bouncers and they were famous for bashing people. So I've

778
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: gone up there and heroin makes you vomit. Sometimes we'd

779
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: had this heroin and I ran to the bathroom and

780
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm in the bathroom and the toilet and the door

781
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: gets kicked open. It's one of these islands. He grabs me.

782
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: He says right, I don't like junkies. Here. We're going

783
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: to take you down the back alley and I said

784
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I'll just go, and they go, no, no, no, you're

785
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: going to come for a walk with us. And my

786
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: friend knew one of them, and he said, oh, look

787
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: he's a member of the device. We'll just leave. We'll

788
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: just leave. He said, Well, I remember thinking how things

789
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: have changed. Yeah, you know, that's that's the progression, you know.

790
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: And so what happened though? They let me go then,

791
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: but other things started happening, you know, bad thing suck ups. Yeah,

792
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: and you know I kept playing, but it took away

793
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: the great thing. It took away my love of playing music.

794
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: It took away absolutely what's great about that? No, no,

795
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's great. I'm saying it. It removed.

796
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: It removed that, it removed everything. I mean. They an alcoholic,

797
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: they call alcohol the great remover and the same with this.

798
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: It just starts to remove stuff out of your life,

799
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: as in strips your soul a way sort of absolutely

800
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: you become. It took away my personality, you know, my

801
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: I was a pretty social person. Took all that away.

802
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: It took away my love music, It took away my family.

803
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: People sort of started to back off, and I just

804
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be left alone pretty much. Then it became

805
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: about managing myself as just to be normal so people think,

806
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's a party or it's not. It's it's

807
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: about survival. And you know, if I had the money,

808
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: I was drinking in the mornings. But I just I

809
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: just couldn't stand just being without anything. If I was

810
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: sober straight, it felt so horrible, so horrible, and I'd

811
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: go My family lived in Queensland, and I'd go up

812
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: there and i'd stay with them for two weeks, and

813
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: for the first four days I'd be physically sick coming off,

814
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: but then physically i'd kick back pretty quickly and I'd

815
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: be all right physically, but emotionally or mentally or spiritually,

816
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, like this whole inside it was just awful

817
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: and life was dull and heavy. And I said, if

818
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: this is what being straight is, I can't do it.

819
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: And I tried that. Each time i'd go up there,

820
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: it was worse, it was harder. And you know, addiction

821
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: is I know a lot about addiction now, and I

822
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: know that it has nothing to do with rational thinking.

823
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you can have people who are social drug user,

824
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: social drinkers. They might drink for like my sister will

825
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: do it, you know, she'll smoke pod or and then

826
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: just stop and won't say I don't feel like any

827
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: My son is like that. I don't feel like a

828
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: drink tonight. You know, I wasn't like that. When someone

829
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: is an addict or has the disease or whatever you

830
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: want to call it, the disorder of addiction in them,

831
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with rational thinking. You can

832
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: walk up the road and see girls walking, hardly any

833
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: of them there anymore, but you know, and you ask

834
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: them what they're doing, and they go, I'm just going

835
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: through a bad time. I'll get it together. It makes

836
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: you do things that you would not normally do. It

837
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: makes you it turns you into a person that you

838
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: don't want to be, and you know, you lie to

839
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: people and you really it's bleak, it's it's awful.

840
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: What what what what negative outcomes did you apart from

841
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: the emotional so, but what need of outcomes did? Did

842
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: did it to you in terms of affecting your life,

843
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: your business life as that as in being a guitarist,

844
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: I mean, did it affect your relationship with the de vinals,

845
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: and then I became that.

846
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: Very quiet withdrawn and in the end I had to leave.

847
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: Did they actually leave or you made a decisions?

848
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: You just took the from here actually in a house

849
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: two hundred yards from here. Yeah. I just wanted it

850
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: all to stop, you know. And I knew that I'd

851
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: had a few close calls dying, dying, I'd started to

852
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: use it intravenously. You know. My health was terrible, never

853
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: had any money, that was you know. I mean I

854
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: often think, how did I how did I actually live?

855
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: I can't I don't remember going to the supermarket or

856
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, I just I guess other people took responsibility

857
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: for me in a way.

858
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 3: You know.

859
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: I had a I call her a hostage, a girlfriend,

860
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, who looked after me for a while. But

861
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: also I mean I was going away too with the band,

862
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: and I'd go away and I I don't know. The

863
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: last year it was very difficult, very difficult to try

864
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: and keep it together. A friend of mine puts it,

865
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: it's like you've got a balloon a full of water,

866
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: and it gets a hole, and as he put one

867
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: hand up and another hole, then it gets another, and

868
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: you're trying to stop it all, you know, and you

869
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: get you just get tired. I got really tired of

870
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: it physically, mentally. I just wanted it all to stop.

871
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: And at the time, I thought, well, maybe I just

872
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: need to go to the country for a few months,

873
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, get myself together, fresh air. That's what I thought,

874
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, as they say, all good junkies go to

875
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: queens and yes, uh yeah.

876
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: I thought, what was the moment where you thought they're

877
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: going to I'm going to able to rehab, but I'm

878
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: going to.

879
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: Do something, actually do something. I had a couple of moments.

880
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: There were a couple there were There's a story I

881
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: had that I told Nick actually Nick Fordham about this,

882
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: and uh he's sort of trying to organize for me

883
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: to do this book of stories, you know. But where

884
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I like Gallows humor. I have

885
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: a Jewish background. I like the the you know, you

886
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: can talk about the most horrific stuff in a funny way,

887
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: and I like that. And but I was. I used

888
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: to go and meet this woman in Coles in Redfern.

889
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: She used to there's no mobile phones, you'd ring our

890
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: and she's RB in Cole's between two and three. So

891
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: you'd go and she'd be walking up and down the

892
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: aisles with the trolley and she'd buy your dop offer.

893
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: And I was on the corner of Cleveland Street and

894
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: South Downing Street before it was a freeway, waiting for

895
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: my partner in crime, who was a drummer in the

896
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: de Vinals, to pick me up. And these two blokes

897
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: approached me, these two young guys, and they said, can

898
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: you come with us? Took me around the corner and

899
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: they pulled out badgers and they said, no younger, younger

900
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: than the mid twenties. And they said, we've been watching you.

901
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: It looks like you're casing a house to break into.

902
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, I'm waiting for a friend of

903
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: mine to pick me up. That's all. Radio leans over

904
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: and in my pocket, pulls out a syringe. Out of

905
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: my pocket, He says, you got any drugs on you?

906
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: And I said no. He said you're going to get some,

907
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: are you? And I said yeah? And he said where

908
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: you're going? I said, Bondo Hotel. He said, of course,

909
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: you don't know the name of the guy who's selling

910
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: it to you, do you? And I said no, I don't,

911
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: so it's the radio and he turns to his partner.

912
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: He says, you know this guy, Oh my god. And

913
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: you know when someone starts talking about you're like, you're

914
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: not there. So they start having this conversation. Remember Selena's

915
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: three weeks ago. You know, the guy said, oh, the

916
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: choir boys say no, I'm not the choir boys. Look,

917
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: he's a guitarist. Are the the vinyls?

918
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: Oh?

919
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember they have this conversation. I'm just devastated.

920
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: And I see my friend drive past the back. He's

921
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: driving around, keep driving. Yeah, And this cop turns around

922
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: to me and he puts us fringe back in my

923
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: pocket and he says, he says, you know, you've got

924
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: a career. You're playing this band, great band you're playing.

925
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: You've got this great career that most people give give

926
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: anything to be in your position. And look what you're doing.

927
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: You make me sick. Fuck really, get out of my sight.

928
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: WHOA And what did that? Was that? Like a wake

929
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: up call to you? Though?

930
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: Oh?

931
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: It was a definite crack in a moment, you know,

932
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: But I mean an hour later, I didn't really think

933
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: about it because we went and got some drugs.

934
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: But the.

935
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: Big one for me was we had gone to Brisbane

936
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: to play, and you know, you were asking me about

937
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: what it was like before and before a gig, and

938
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: this is nineteen eighty seven and we had done this.

939
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: We'd done this big tour called Australian made with Jimmy Barnes.

940
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: It was first of those sort of big day out

941
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: concerts and in excess, Jimmy Barnes to violence as a

942
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: film of it and the models mental as anything, and

943
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: we've done that. I was just trying to keep this

944
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: together and I'd have a little bit of dape in

945
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: the morning just to be normal, you know, so I

946
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: could get through the day and a pean normal do

947
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: my job struggle. And we went off to play after that,

948
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: and we had gone to Melbourne and I was gotten

949
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: really sick in Melbourne and we went to Brisbane to play.

950
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: And we're playing one of those big suburban parks in

951
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: Brisbane and it's amazing, you know. And they talk about

952
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: street cunning, what you can if you're really desperate, what

953
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: you can get together. You get quite creative. And I

954
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: got on the phone and I've got this drug dealer

955
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: in Sydney and I said, can you drop this stuff

956
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: off to this friend of mine? And he took it

957
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: to our office and I told him at the office

958
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: that I had this really important cassette that I needed.

959
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: So one of the guys is coming up to see

960
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: us up in Brisbane. They waited all day and he

961
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: arrived and he said, I've got this cassette for you, Beauty,

962
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: I've got this cassette. Go out to this gig, big part,

963
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: and I was physically sick, you know, and running around.

964
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: Chrissy runs into the bathroom, of course, and takes the

965
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: bathroom and thinking where am I going to go? So

966
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: run around. I remember in this panic before the gig,

967
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: and I found this bathroom and I had this little

968
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: shot just all of a sudden, I'm like Popeye, you know,

969
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: with the spinach, right, I'm like, what was all that

970
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: drama about the last few days. I'm perfectly okay. And

971
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: got up on stage that night, big crowd and playing away.

972
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: It's really good and the lights and the sound. I

973
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: look down there's a little bit of blood coming out

974
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: of my oh, and I just died. I just I

975
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: can't tell you. After being that kid who just loved

976
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: music so much, and I just loved just it was

977
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: my life, you know. I was obsessed with it, and

978
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: I just no one else saw that, you know, and

979
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: I just crushed me. I just thought, I've got a

980
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: I've got to do something about this. So it was yourself,

981
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: you did it well, I saw it, yeah, and I

982
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: The next step was two days later. I was in

983
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: we were in Milula bar and I went to see

984
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: my mother and I told her and her and my stepfather,

985
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: and it's the first time I really told anybody like that.

986
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, other people knew, but it was my family

987
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: and my mother I remember said, oh, we knew there

988
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: was something wrong with you. We didn't know what it was,

989
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: so now we know what it is. So then I

990
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: went to see a drug counselor. One hundred yards up

991
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: here was a methadone clinic then, and I don't know

992
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: why they didn't put me on methadona. They sent me

993
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: to a hospital. I was introduced to aa NA and recovery,

994
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: and I know it. It's a whole different world. I'd

995
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: never seen anybody stop and be happy about it. I'd

996
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: seen people go to jail or die or die. I had,

997
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: and some friends of mine who I used with disappeared.

998
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: I had no idea where they were now found out

999
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: where they were. They were sober, and they kind of

1000
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: grabbed me and dragged me into this sort of other world,

1001
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: which it took me three years of to actually surrendered

1002
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: to it, to the recovery. It kind of relapsed a

1003
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: couple of times.

1004
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: And is that about admitting to yourself that you're an addict?

1005
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: First, Yeah, it's admitting that you're done. It's like, don't

1006
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: get back in the ring. You're going to get the

1007
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: crap beaten out of you. Just don't get back in

1008
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: the ring. And once you do that, you set free.

1009
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: It's a sort of a dichotomy in a way. You know,

1010
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: it's like admit that you defeat and then you're set free,

1011
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: or you're depending on this fellowship or you know, and

1012
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: you have this freedom, incredible freedom. And I you know,

1013
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: I'd always wanted I just I always just wanted to

1014
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: live in the world with some peace and feel okay

1015
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: about myself. Never had that. And you know, I thought

1016
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: that if I could get famous enough for I mean money.

1017
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: I had never made any money then, but I thought,

1018
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: if I could just get enough of something, it would

1019
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: fulfill me. And it never did. And when I you know,

1020
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: as a kid, I dream about being in a band

1021
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: touring America, and I did that. But the more of

1022
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: that stuff I got, the more drugshold use, because I

1023
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: found that that did not fulfill me. And you know,

1024
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm just one of those people who my sister's not

1025
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: the same We grew up in the same house. But

1026
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: I have this thing in me that's like a whole,

1027
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, and try to fill it with different things.

1028
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm not religious at all, but I

1029
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, I just life. Life on life's terms was

1030
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: never enough. Do you still have that whole?

1031
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: And so how did you, let's call it, how did

1032
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: you either get rid of the hole or how did

1033
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: you feel it in the meanwhile?

1034
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: Well it's a so this is this is where I

1035
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: can get diicy talking about it. But because I'm not

1036
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: I have to stress that I'm not religious. I don't

1037
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: like religion, you mean institution religion as opposed to spirituality. Yes,

1038
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: it's just what I do is a spiritual thing, and

1039
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: it's a spiritual malay, you know, it's a spiritual lacking.

1040
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: It's a it's and I had to basically, I mean,

1041
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: it sounds really corny to talk about it, but you know,

1042
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: I had to find out who I was. You know,

1043
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, what I do is not who

1044
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: I am, you know, it's it's I had to fight,

1045
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, just find myself. Really and I found out that,

1046
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm good at playing a guitar and and

1047
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: and you know, got asked to join the hooda Gurus

1048
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: and it's fantastic, you know. But I thought, I really

1049
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: thought that part of my life was over, the music part.

1050
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: I thought I that was it and that was my

1051
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: chance and kind of blowing it. But everything I have

1052
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: in my life today is because I went that route,

1053
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: the recovery route, and every day of my life I'm

1054
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: grateful for it. I woke up this morning, I went, okay, great,

1055
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: you know it was about is it because you felt?

1056
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: Is it because I was coming to see you? I think, well,

1057
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, I have this sort of

1058
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to talk about our faith in

1059
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: not in in myself, but the recovery has made me

1060
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: believe in myself and I'm okay in my own skin.

1061
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: You know. When I used to go to the man'sel

1062
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: room in the eighties, I had to either go home

1063
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: with drugs, alcohol or a girl. I couldn't stand going

1064
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: up by myself because of because you're uncomfortable yourself perhaps

1065
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, and now I'm not.

1066
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: And how does someone get how did you find that out?

1067
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: Like how did you come to terms with that? Like

1068
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: did someone guide you down that process or did someone

1069
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: tell you that?

1070
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: So the last couple of years or the last year,

1071
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: a couple of years of using drugs and alcohol and

1072
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: the chaos of it, you know, I'd have I quite

1073
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: like going to see a psychiatrist. I run rings around

1074
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. You know, you get to talk about your

1075
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: favorite subjects, you know. But you know, I had people.

1076
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: There are a few people in my life who knew

1077
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: what was going on. And you know people do this too.

1078
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: You know, Oh this is bad. You've got to stop.

1079
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: It's bad. What are you doing? Get yourself together, pull

1080
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: yourself together? Stop? You know, I think, yeah, okay, yeah,

1081
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: I'll just stop. Genius, what a great idea, Just stop?

1082
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: Couldn't I used to walk to a drug dealer's house

1083
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: thinking I dropped dead yesterday and someone revived me. Why

1084
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: am I doing this?

1085
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: You know?

1086
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: I know people who have left their kids at a

1087
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: dealer's house is collateral? I mean, why would someone do that?

1088
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: And why would someone sell their body on the street.

1089
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: You know what? You know, you see your mother crying

1090
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: being you to stop, and you go, yeah, I'll stop,

1091
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: and you mean it sincere, but you can't. And this

1092
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: is the thing people don't understand.

1093
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1094
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: It's something that's bigger than you. You know, It's like

1095
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: a counselor said to me in one of the hospitals

1096
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: I went to. She said, what are you going to

1097
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: do when you leave? I said, go to Queensland. She said,

1098
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: that's nice, said if you had diabetes, would moving to

1099
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: Queensland fix it? So of course not one. She said,

1100
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: well you need to look at it like that. You

1101
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: need something outside yourself because you're on your own are

1102
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: going to win against this? And she's right. You know,

1103
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: I tested it for a couple of years and I

1104
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: relapsed until I just went right enough. So I threw

1105
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: myself into it. For you know, I made it the

1106
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: most important thing in my life.

1107
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 3: In other words, the most point thing in your life

1108
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 3: is to cure yourself.

1109
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: Well, to open myself up to recovery. I don't think

1110
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: I can cure myself, but I have to do it. Yeah,

1111
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: I have to take responsibility for myself and do it.

1112
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm not if I sit at home and think, Okay,

1113
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: well I'm going to fix myself now. It never worked.

1114
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: But see, the most profound one of the most profound

1115
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: things was, you know, I'd never seen anyone give up.

1116
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: You know, I love How can I explain this. I

1117
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: love what drugs did to me. You know, I love

1118
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: that that feeling.

1119
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: But.

1120
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: I hated all the other stuff that happened. And so

1121
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: I found out that I couldn't have one without the other.

1122
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm going to drink that's going to

1123
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: come something, all this other disastrous stuff will happen. So

1124
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, I thought, oh, you know, I'm going to

1125
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: have to give up this thing that I love. Now.

1126
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: I remember I was in this hospital and these two

1127
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: people came and they did what I do a lot

1128
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: of this stuff now myself. But they came in. They

1129
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: do what's called an H and I meeting. They stands

1130
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: for Hospitals and institutions. You go out to hospitals jails

1131
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: talk and just basically just tell your story. You don't

1132
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: say you've got to do this, And that's what they did.

1133
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: They told their stories. It was I sat there looking

1134
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: at them, thinking these two people, they look pretty cool.

1135
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: They were both like four or five years sober happy.

1136
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: I thought, I've never seen anything. I wasn't happy about it,

1137
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: about having to give up that stuff. I want all

1138
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: the dark stuff to stop. But surely there must be

1139
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: awaken I mean dream buntain or yeah, you know. And

1140
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: they I said, what do you do? You know? They said, oh,

1141
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: we go to these meetings and you know, told me

1142
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: about recovery and and and that was that was That

1143
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty profan, you know, I thought then, I thought,

1144
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: when I first started to look at the AA thing,

1145
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: I thought, oh great, you know I'm going to be

1146
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: in a little suit selling bibles in Bondo Junction. That's

1147
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: what I'm going to be doing. No fun anymore. This

1148
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: is a penance, you know, for what I've been. But

1149
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: it's quite the opposite. And do you do you reach

1150
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: out to other people now? And have you been doing it?

1151
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: Reach out like help help other people that you that

1152
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: you know, I've got the same issue that you absolutely have.

1153
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: Went out to Long Bay jail two days ago, really

1154
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: and you tell them your story. I've been doing it

1155
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: for well thirty years. Is that part of your therapy

1156
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: for yourself. So I had this moment where when I

1157
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: was a year about a year sober, and we had

1158
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: this big gig in the hoodah Gurus at the Entertainment Center.

1159
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: It was a great night, Terrific. We have this album

1160
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: out happening. It was great, and you know, I'm thinking, wow,

1161
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, I've got my wife back. And then this

1162
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: friend of mine two days later said come with me.

1163
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: I get your clearance to come out to the Long

1164
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: Bay jail and do this talk. So I went out

1165
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: with him. I was walking out of the jail afterwards,

1166
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: I had this feeling and it was a fulfilled feeling,

1167
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, this is what I always wanted. This

1168
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: is what I wanted two nights ago. And don't get

1169
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: me wrong, the two nights ago when I was playing Terrific,

1170
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: it was great, But this was different. This was a

1171
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: different this is for you personally. Yeah, it was different,

1172
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: and it's corny to talk about it. Just like you

1173
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: help another person, you do it, mate, I know you do.

1174
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: And when you help another person, I mean, I'm not

1175
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: some sort of mother terrasa and walk around the earth

1176
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: for helping people. I don't do that. I do it

1177
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: for selfish motives. I was going to say, I do.

1178
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: It for selfish reasons because it is fulfilling, and I

1179
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 3: don't get the fulfillment in any other way. And I

1180
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 3: do my mental show for that reason. I mean, I'm

1181
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 3: doing exactly what you're talking about, but it is for selfishness.

1182
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 3: I remember had Danny Abdullah there sitting one day and

1183
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 3: he runs this program about forgiveness after his kids were

1184
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 3: killed by that motorist, and he said the same thing.

1185
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 3: He said, I run the program forgiveness for myself selfish reason.

1186
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 3: It helps me deal with what I've got to deal with.

1187
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 3: And I get, I get one hundred percent. And I

1188
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: think maybe sometimes some vers maybe you're one of those

1189
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 3: people to nearly take sixty years to work this shit out.

1190
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: That's right.

1191
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 3: Other people work it out really young. I don't know

1192
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: why the fuck they do, but how that happens. But

1193
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 3: it took me a long time to work out what

1194
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 3: really fulfilled is?

1195
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: It fulfills me.

1196
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 3: I always thought about making money or you know, smashing

1197
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 3: the banks, all that sort of stuff. I mean, that's

1198
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 3: a bit like you're playing guitar, Like I mean, I'm

1199
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 3: out there in that confrontation world. I love the confrontation.

1200
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 3: I love the challenge. But what really rocks my boat

1201
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 3: is about sitting and talk to you. Listen you talk,

1202
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: telling me this story or do my mental show.

1203
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: And it's interesting.

1204
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm glad you told me that because it's sort of

1205
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 3: re stated in my mind. Sometimes we just do because

1206
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 3: that's what we do. I do the same thing every

1207
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 3: day and I forget why I'm doing it sometimes, and

1208
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 3: sitting here with you today is usually reminding me of say, okay,

1209
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 3: to be selfish and look after yourself.

1210
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: Go.

1211
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't matter whether it's addiction, you're trying

1212
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 3: to deal with whatever, it doesn't really matter.

1213
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody has their own things. You know. That

1214
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: was my path and you know, I mean it's what

1215
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:54,520
Speaker 1: it's done. Is when you're for me. If I'm fulfilled

1216
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: as a person, it affects every area of my life,

1217
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: like the marriage I have, for instance. You know, I

1218
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: have a great marriage now. My relationships were chaotic in

1219
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: my past. You know, I like, there's a great saying,

1220
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: you know about recovery makes the ordinary extraordinary. It's a

1221
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: great saying. You know. I needed to think, how do

1222
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: people how do people go to the park, How do

1223
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: people go and have a meal and enjoy that. And

1224
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 1: how do people you know, I wanted all this stuff,

1225
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: you know, and now I do and I mean, you know,

1226
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: I get to play in a great rock and roll

1227
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: band too, which is a huge when you're next gig

1228
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: we're playing, would we just stopped. We stopped a couple

1229
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. We've got our next gigs in Brazil

1230
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 1: in August, and we've just announced two days ago. It's

1231
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: so great, I tell you. For a band like us,

1232
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: we we're constantly shaking our heads just because we're always saying, oh,

1233
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: this will be the last year. We've thought that maybe

1234
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years, but people still come, you know.

1235
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: And we've just announced this tour straight into it in November,

1236
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: which is just selling really well. And yeah it's still

1237
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: still and you know, we we we have a very

1238
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: high bottom line, you know. We we we play really

1239
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: well and we people come to see us. They it's

1240
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: a good it's a good night.

1241
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 3: If Rie Crossman was to compare yourself with Rick cross

1242
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 3: and when you first joined the Vinyls and you're playing

1243
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 3: at pubs and you know, you had Christies up the front,

1244
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 3: and as you said, it was sort of confrontation and

1245
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff in the pub. If you

1246
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 3: were compared, you compared that dude to today, the dude

1247
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 3: is now in the Guruz and is going to play

1248
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 3: in Brazil. What's the difference between the two? I don't

1249
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 3: mean in a personal sense, and you know how you

1250
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 3: how you play, how you address the audience. Obviously it's

1251
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 3: not pub environment, but how what is the difference between

1252
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,480
Speaker 3: the two. Is it more chilled, older, mature, in control

1253
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: or you're still into it?

1254
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: Still into it definitely you can't energy? Oh mate. The

1255
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: only difference is it's physically harder. Where yeah, I mean

1256
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: we I go swimming and you know, I have to

1257
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: look after myself a bit, you know, otherwise to train

1258
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: for it. Well, yeah, we do an hour and a

1259
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: half and I know we did it to a couple

1260
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: of years ago where I noticed that you get to

1261
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: about fifty minute marking starting to go losing my breath

1262
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: of the year, you know, because we don't we bash ourselves,

1263
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: you know, we go hard, and so I had to,

1264
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, I started going swimming and that just for

1265
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: the stamina. Because we did this American tour, were playing

1266
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: five nights a week. We're in our sixties and so

1267
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: you have to be you have to look after yourself.

1268
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: And it was good. It's good. And it's a great

1269
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: thing too where a band like us you get on

1270
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: the road and you after a couple of weeks if

1271
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: you're doing a tour like that, because we here we

1272
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: will play maybe once a week or you know, a

1273
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: couple of times a week occasionally, you know, and this

1274
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: thing happens when you when you do it with the band,

1275
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks, you kind of get into this,

1276
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: into this sort of on this role, and it's a

1277
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: great feeling. It's a great feeling. It must be like

1278
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: when someone you know, some of the league players really

1279
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: fit and they're they're kind of you know, they've gone

1280
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: through their their training, their pre season stuff, and it's

1281
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: a terrific feeling.

1282
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 3: And what do you think about this Row music scene today?

1283
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 3: Because I'm obviously the pub scenes not where it was

1284
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of pubs pull down what

1285
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 3: is what do you say he said it were is

1286
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 3: big on the globe platform in terms of our impact

1287
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 3: as we were back then.

1288
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: It's very very different world now. You know, people talk

1289
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: about streams and I don't know I'm the live thing

1290
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: is very different. I feel like it's coming back. Music

1291
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: is cyclical, you know, it's low fashion, a little bit

1292
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: low fashion. Yeah it Well, I hope you know that usually,

1293
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, every fifteen years or something, someone comes along

1294
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: kicks the door in a bit and you know from

1295
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: the sixty Dylan did it and All Beetles did it,

1296
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 1: or Rolling Stones, Nirvana, punk rock. I hope that happens

1297
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: again soon.

1298
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 3: Because but I look at things like you know, Splendor

1299
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 3: and Oize they're getting canceled because for the fucking insurance

1300
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 3: and this sort of ship and that's right, and like

1301
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I saw the Roots and Blues, I don't think.

1302
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean, unfortunately, every time they hold it starts rating

1303
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: on all the deal is. But you know, people are

1304
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: sort of getting a bit nauseated by going to these

1305
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 3: events because the conditions are ship and or you get

1306
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,839
Speaker 3: all wound up for it and it gets canceled on canceled,

1307
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know how to solve this stuff,

1308
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 3: but a lot of us got to do with all

1309
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: the costs associated, and the promoters just can't handle it.

1310
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, who was it was

1311
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: the guy who just came a few months ago called

1312
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: Fred Freddy fred again fred again.

1313
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he killed it like he just got an

1314
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 3: announced like that morning.

1315
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: Well all I mean they up, Yeah, all the venues

1316
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: were booked, it was all planned. Yeah, yeah, totally. But

1317
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: but but the people didn't know. The people assume of it.

1318
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 3: And because I had the boss of TG here the

1319
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: other day, who promoted him and.

1320
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: Who was that?

1321
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 3: Colin Colin, Colin, Colin's from Jeff Jones, Jeff Chants Jeff Jones,

1322
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 3: and he came on our mental podcast and it was

1323
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 3: like it was staged but still like.

1324
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: Incredible filled it up. I mean, I just don't. I

1325
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: just don't get it. I mean, it just does my

1326
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I remember when DIA straight sold

1327
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: out what do they do twenty entertainment centers. I understand

1328
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: that this I don't understand. I just don't. It's just

1329
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: it's a phenomenon, you know. And Colin, who is one

1330
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: of the promoters, said, now there are a lot of

1331
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: acts who are going to try and do the same

1332
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 1: sort of thing in America and they won't. It's because

1333
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a kind of it's a

1334
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: phenomenon really what he did. I mean, it's incredible what

1335
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: he did, totally.

1336
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, I for me, I don't want to

1337
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 3: go somewhere with this toy. Mean I go the pubs

1338
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 3: all the time when I was younger. But I don't

1339
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 3: like the idea of I don't mind listens like.

1340
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: I'd like to.

1341
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: I actually do like to listen to my favorite music

1342
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: and musicians streaming or on Spotify.

1343
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: Do you play Vinyl at I've got a record totally

1344
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: got a record player. Yeah, see I wish I was

1345
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: wanted to bring you something. Yeah, I've actually got it.

1346
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 3: I got at home, and I've got one on my

1347
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 3: farm too, and and and I only just decked the

1348
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 3: farm went out more recently, set up more recently, because yeah,

1349
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 3: I love Vinyl.

1350
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love get I also CD. I also got

1351
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: a CD play.

1352
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 3: I've got an old banging off a bo Center six

1353
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 3: six disc CD player, which I fucking love. I just

1354
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 3: love it, like I played all the time. And I

1355
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 3: mean I and I did. I was a triple Emma

1356
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 3: for many many years.

1357
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: And they love I mean, that's promoting our tour, are they? Yeah?

1358
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: But you know, like Mark Ayre and Maddie Johns who

1359
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: show you've been with Cooper Uh, Gus Walland I'm going

1360
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: to one of Gussy's breakfasts tomorrow actually as a matter

1361
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 3: of fact, for one of his charity.

1362
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 1: The charity runs.

1363
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 3: I'm good mate to those guys, and they were such,

1364
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: they were your biggest, your biggest media promoters. It was

1365
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 3: unbelievable and all the trade's everyone because that's the station

1366
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: they listened to, Tribling and uh and and I therefore,

1367
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 3: I'd rather listen that than going to a live gig today,

1368
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 3: mainly because I don't like the fucking hassle of it.

1369
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: I would I do go to Splendor and things like that,

1370
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 3: though if I'm away, I mean I got out of

1371
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 3: Farmer Byron, so I will go to those things and

1372
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 3: and put up.

1373
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: Cop the crowd because much more relaxed.

1374
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: But doing what the younger people do today what I

1375
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 3: did when I was younger, just going out on Saturday

1376
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 3: night and doing my best to get and do my

1377
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 3: best to sort of crawl back home.

1378
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't know whether I could do that these days.

1379
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 3: And I just wonder whether people who like me, who

1380
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 3: are used to that pub scene, we've all got older

1381
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 3: like you are.

1382
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: And we just go a little bit more chilled. You know,

1383
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: my closest friend in the world is the drummer in

1384
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: Midnight Oil Rob Hers. And they were doing their last

1385
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: tour and his wife, who was looking after the seats

1386
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: friends and family, she rings up and she says, I've

1387
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: got you a couple of passes, you know, thanks for

1388
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 1: the gig. And I rang back. I said, Leslie, I've

1389
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: got to ask you. Are they seats. They've got a

1390
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: big seats. I'm not coming two hours. Your legs are

1391
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: fucked up, mate, I can't, you know. And I always

1392
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: used to joke, you know, I'm in a band, get

1393
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: out of the audience, you know, I don't want to

1394
01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: be in the audience, you know. And I I go

1395
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: and see people, you know, I went and saw I

1396
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: go and see recently Cheap Trick, Oh wow, sensational. That

1397
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 1: was so good. Then I went and saw the Damned

1398
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, the English punk band. That was terrible. But

1399
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: I go, you know, I go out and see people.

1400
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: But I can't. I'm not going to go and stand

1401
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: a pub for two hours. No, I can't do it anymore.

1402
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: And I don't really like it. You know. We're doing

1403
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: the endmore theater this year. So was great, so you

1404
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: should come, We'll come on when is that? That's in November?

1405
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: M was great, but you don't. You don't do pubs.

1406
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: There's no pubs. We we do we occasionally occasionally we

1407
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: will do them. Was the bag of moon Bar? Or

1408
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,879
Speaker 1: could you could you Celena?

1409
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's cause that's a Couldji Bay Hotel Selenas.

1410
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 3: But there was one up the road call it's called

1411
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 3: there's now the holiday in Yes, yeah.

1412
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: The Oceanic.

1413
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 3: But there was a bar at the back or the

1414
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 3: back of the moon Bar where they had the bands.

1415
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: I saw a dragon there. I saw dragon there.

1416
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 3: And and I guess you were sort of you would

1417
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: have been around probably before Dale Breath. Would Daryl breathwait

1418
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: period you guys?

1419
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: Or the Divine the vinyls before Darryl? Would that be right?

1420
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: Because Darryl Daryl was the eighties? Yeah, who's eighties?

1421
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 3: But the dis are like more like late seventies eighties.

1422
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 3: We started right because he lived around BONDI somewhere, didn't

1423
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: he There was a house in Bondo and Pankeville Street.

1424
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: Everyone used to say, like a big giant was only

1425
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 3: out there and the rest apartments and everyone used to

1426
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 3: say lived there.

1427
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: You know who used to at the end of Pankerville

1428
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: Street and then go across Old south Of Road up

1429
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: to Barada. There was a big house there. All of

1430
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: my sex used to live there. Maybe I'm getting yeah,

1431
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: I still remember it.

1432
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 3: Like everyone used to talk about it all the time,

1433
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 3: and you used to sort of drive past and think

1434
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 3: to yourself.

1435
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: It was a bit of a mystery to me, mate.

1436
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: And when you know, I just tell you just a great,

1437
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: a great moment in my life when I was left

1438
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: school and I go out and I'd see Sherbet and

1439
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: Skyhooks and Ariel and Piranha and all these bands that

1440
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: were around. Obsessive with Billy Thorpe, and you know, I'd

1441
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: go sneak into pubs if they were playing pubs, but

1442
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: they were usually in other venues.

1443
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 3: They thort nastics, ye, And I saw everyone.

1444
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, I was obsessive, you know, I go and

1445
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: see everyone, and Daddy cool. And I loved Skyhooks and

1446
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: I loved the lyrics and the send ups, the stuff

1447
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: that they did. And I'm getting right up the front

1448
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: of the Bond of Life Saver underneath Red Simon's and

1449
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: yelling at him and Anyway, my career started in Melbourne

1450
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: and it was completely by accident. And you've probably had

1451
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: moments in your life where you're kind of confronted with

1452
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: something and you think, logically, this is not right to do.

1453
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: But and I had gone to Melbourne to visit a friend.

1454
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: I knew one person in Melbourne. She said, bring your guitar.

1455
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: I went down there, said there's this band you s'o's

1456
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: going to have a play with them. I had up here.

1457
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing live or anything. I was trying to

1458
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: form a band with people and it was hard. These

1459
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: guys are older than me. And I went for an

1460
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: audition and they said you want to stay. We played five,

1461
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: six nights a week, all original music and it was

1462
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: like I remember standing again. Yes, I mean just the

1463
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,759
Speaker 1: logistics of it were just crazy. I didn't know anyone,

1464
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: I had no money, and I get taken off by

1465
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: these guys right And for a week we played some

1466
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: suburban pubs and we had a gig in the city

1467
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: in Melbourne, and they were from this Carlton scene in

1468
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: Melbourne and they were all older than me and they

1469
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 1: were quite well known in Melbourne. My first gig in

1470
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: the city I'm in the dressing room and they're all

1471
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: in there. Ross Wilson, the guys from Skyhooks, guys from Ariel,

1472
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, they're all in the in the addressing room.

1473
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: They were coming up to me. I'm like he's and

1474
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: they were coming over and going, you know, welcome. It's amazing,

1475
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing.

1476
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 3: And probably very inspiring to motivate the shit out of you.

1477
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: Incredible was the group the Bleeding Hearts at schooled. The

1478
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: great guy in that band was a guy called Martin

1479
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: Amager who went into a bank called the Sports and

1480
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: Martin wrote, went on to write a lot of soundtracks

1481
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: for Australia, Australian films and TV and ended up he

1482
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: passed away a couple of years ago, but he he

1483
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: was the head of Afters Australian Film Television School Genius

1484
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: but was a mentor for me and he was like

1485
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: this back then, he was like this sort of Keith

1486
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: Richards type, sort of pretty loose, sort of a great

1487
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: songwriter and just one of those caras, very charismatic people

1488
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Speaker 1: you meet in your life. Do you last question for

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Speaker 1: you Rick, do you do.

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Speaker 3: You ever think about and or feel that you are

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Speaker 3: one of the still standing great Australian guitarists, having covered

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Speaker 3: off like two really well known bands and lots of others,

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01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 3: but really well known bands, it's still here.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel as though that you have.

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Speaker 3: A really important place in the history over the last

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Speaker 3: fifty years, not for quite fifty years, but so nearly

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Speaker 3: fifty years history of rock bands in Australia. Do you

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Speaker 3: do you know that that's the person who you are

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Speaker 3: or do you just think, no, that's not me. It's

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Speaker 3: pretty important because you know, like Tolay, those two coppers

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Speaker 3: in reference who recognize you. You know, like maybe you're

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01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 3: not going to be necessarily recognized, but you're going to

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01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 3: be known that people know you, they know who you

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01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 3: who manage you with, they know the songs you was

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Speaker 3: playing to, they know the venues you played at.

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Speaker 1: Does that ever dawn upon you sometimes? You know? Oh,

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01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: the two bands I've been in, the the Vinyls and

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01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: the Hoodoos have both been put in the Australian Music

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01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, so as they should be. So we've

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01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: I've been put in there twice. Now I don't think

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01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: about that. Glen A. Baker, Do you know Glen Baker?

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01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: So he comes up to one day. He says, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's any five people who have been put in? Where's

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01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: the hat? He's a great speaker. He says, there's five

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Speaker 1: people who have been put in twice. Rock historian. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't think that, and he says Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Barnes Wow, Ross Wilson Wow, Glenn Sharick Wow. Then there's

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Speaker 1: Gary Young who's the drummer in Daddy Cool and JoJo's

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Speaker 1: appe and myself. So I said radio. So I got

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Speaker 1: Gary Young and we had some photos taken together because

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01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: we have the two blue collar faceless blue collar workers

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01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: have been put in twice, you know, Jojo Zepp and

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Speaker 1: the Falcons back. We're going back the seventy sevent and

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Speaker 1: you know I don't, but you do. Man. I'm very grateful,

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01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm very grateful, and I still I'm

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01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: still really active. I'll send you something after we finish

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01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: as something I'm doing with with some cricketers and footy players.

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01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. And you know, I'm writing some songs.

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01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a book writing songs with my

1530
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: friend Rob Hurst, and we've done five albums together over

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01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,480
Speaker 1: the years called the ghost writers and they're all commercial disasters.

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Speaker 1: But but you'd love doing it. I love doing it,

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01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, I like enjoy playing more than ever probably,

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01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: And I teach at a UNI in the city, and

1535
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: I really get off on that. I've been doing that

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01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: for twenty years, and that's a whole different world, you know,

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01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: trying to you have to keep changing every few years,

1538
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: changing the way you relate to you know, like I

1539
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: started twenty years ago and I'm teaching eighteen year olds

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01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: and the thing is now they're fifty. Yeah, but I'm

1541
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: still teaching eighteen year olds and I'm I'm twenty years older,

1542
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 1: and you have to adapt and how do they relate

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01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: to me, you know, and how do you relate to them? How? Yeah,

1544
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting, it's good, you know, it's a challenge.

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01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: It's a challenge. And I mean, you know, my son

1546
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I remember said to me one day. You know, you

1547
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: must have walked around in the eighties just going, oh,

1548
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: this is amazing, what an amazing time. I said, No,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like that. It's I'd get the worksheet from

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Speaker 1: the agent each week, you know, we go okay, we're

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Speaker 1: playing here, and oh there's going to be that's going

1552
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: to be tough, that gig and you know, the Goman

1553
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: cutter out of Blacktown, like it's going to be a

1554
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: blood bath. And you know that's what it was like.

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Speaker 1: You just live kind of from week to week. And

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Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I'm lucky. You know, my friends,

1557
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: they keep me grounded. And when I first went into

1558
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Speaker 1: recovery as a great woman, an amazing woman who worked

1559
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: in detox here, who saved lots of people's lives, and

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01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: she saved my life pretty much. And she said to me,

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Speaker 1: she used to call me Richard. She looked like Dame

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01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Edna and she said there and she said, Richard, if

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01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: you're not careful, your ego will kill you. Now. I

1564
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: didn't understand what she meant because I've never been someone

1565
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: to walk around saying don't you know who I am?

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Speaker 1: I've never done that. But she meant about finding who

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Speaker 1: I am really and just being having some humility and

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Speaker 1: being comfortable with that and being comfortable. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I mean, I don't know. I

1570
01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: don't walk around thinking wow, you know, I don't. But

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful that I had this incredible career and

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Speaker 1: I've got to play with amazing people and you know,

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01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: like you you know, you know some for him but

1574
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: not in your game and yeah but you yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Look sitting here with you for me is like fucking wow,

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01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 3: seriously and you don't get it, but that's okay, but

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01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 3: serious it is as wow because I feel like you.

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01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: Are sort of royalty in role sense for me. See,

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Speaker 1: we did with these interviews a while ago for Rolling Stone,

1580
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: and they they wanted to do this individually. And this

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01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: guy is a rock and roll journalist and he's kind

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01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: of there and he's missed cool, you know, and he's

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01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: asking me on this question. He said, so, you you

1584
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: been traveled around a lot, and you've you know, you

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01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: must have met some incredible people and what's the most

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01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: exciting wow? And I said, well, I've sat in a

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Speaker 1: room with Mick Jagger, but I was much more nervous

1588
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: meeting Wally Lewis. And the look of disappointment on this

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Speaker 1: guy's face he's a foot football player, I said, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and it's absolutely true when I met Wally Lewis and

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Speaker 1: he's a friend of mine.

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Speaker 3: Now, well the reverse, the reverse applies to me today

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Speaker 3: and I want to I want to say two things

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Speaker 3: probably three. Congratulations, won a wonderful career. Thanks, and it's

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01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 3: not finished, it's going to continue, and your continuation of it.

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01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 3: I want to say thank you for everything you've given

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01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 3: to your audiences, which I was a small part of

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01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 3: your your much larger audience. And finally, I want to

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01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:49,799
Speaker 3: say thank you for your honesty today about yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's really important. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Brick Crossman, Oh thank you, mate, man that seriously thanks

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01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 3: a lot, mate, Thanks

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Speaker 1: Like b