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Speaker 1: Jordan Brooke Barnett is ozveg SA CEO. Jordan, good morning,

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Speaker 1: good morning. What's the latest.

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Speaker 2: Ah, well, we're seeing some positive science. I'll just say

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Speaker 2: That is a big amount of our production of estimated

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Speaker 2: big footprint. And then for the further fifteen properties of

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Speaker 2: the trade properties that might be about thirty percent of

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of our role as are thankfully still

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Speaker 2: those properties are weared, they'll have full trading. White New

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Speaker 1: Well, surely, if we can trade with the other states,

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Speaker 2: We've had a long process for clearing those other ones.

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Speaker 2: You know, thankfully what the majority of those businesses are

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Speaker 3: Well, hopefully we do get this clearance, which sounds like

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Speaker 1: All right, let me put that to Peter Appleford, who

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Speaker 1: How did the seeds come in? Do we not test

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Speaker 4: How these seeds got out with the certificates saying that

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Speaker 1: Isn't okay, that was my next question. So Queensland and

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Speaker 1: All right, when you say getting close to that, are

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Speaker 4: Hopefully weeks weeks?

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, the and is correct. A huge bottleneck was

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Speaker 4: the fact there's only two labs in Australia the credit

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Speaker 4: to receive this material and do the test. They obviously

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Speaker 4: through was restricted. We were actually starting through persas austrain

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Speaker 4: which aligned with his outbreak. So the timing was good there.

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Speaker 4: That's going through final audit now, so hopefully we have

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Speaker 4: detaibility up in the next couple of days that we

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Speaker 4: Australian testing capability for this one. But also we can

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Speaker 4: set that up for other diseases of concern as needed

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Speaker 4: as they move forward. So I think one of the

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Speaker 4: we in the next few weeks we should have an

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Speaker 4: in house South Australian testing capability, so we're not as

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Speaker 4: relying on the States to do the work for us.

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Speaker 1: And does that mean what results will be able to

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Speaker 1: be prioritized locally? Obviously is probably uriin there, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: But also if we get the lab up and it's

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Speaker 4: dedicated to this, we can run twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 4: so we can basically double or triple the national testing

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Speaker 4: capability of this disease, which is needed not only to

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Speaker 4: clear the properties that we're trying to clear at the moment,

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Speaker 4: but also to get market access and to get proof

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Speaker 4: of freedom. There's going to be a lot of testing done,

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Speaker 4: so we're setting up to make that as efficient as

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Speaker 4: we can so the growers we can trade that needs

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Speaker 4: surveillance done, we can get trading, and the ones that

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Speaker 4: need proof of freedom we get. The proof of freedom

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Speaker 1: Is personal confident the virus has been eliminated.

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Speaker 4: Now it's not eliminated, but we're confident at the moment

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Speaker 4: we've got what they call is delimited, so we know

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Speaker 4: where it is, which is important, and we don't think

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Speaker 4: it's anywhere else, and that's the infected premises that we've

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Speaker 4: already found, and then it's a matter of getting rid

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Speaker 4: of the virus off those premises, making sure they're confident

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Speaker 4: with a little bit for those premises.

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Speaker 1: Because surely that would have happened. That would have been

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Speaker 1: the first thing you've done.

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Speaker 4: Because you need it. They're working through it within the premises,

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Speaker 4: but we need that national approach that's been agreed and

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Speaker 4: then we can be confident that we've got rid of it.

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Speaker 4: So it's really a difference in between thinking we've got

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Speaker 4: rid of it and been able to prove to all

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Speaker 3: Rid of it.

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Speaker 1: So this national approach in the future if this or

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Speaker 1: for that matter, anything else in the industry, whatever different

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Speaker 1: plant it is, whatever you know, whether it's potatoes or whatever,

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Speaker 1: we get a virus and we've got a national guideline

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Speaker 4: I'm going to challenge with a lot of these diseases

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Speaker 4: is that you haven't got that national agreement exactly how

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Speaker 4: to work on until the disease comes in. So if

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Speaker 4: we got this one again, where we'd be right to

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Speaker 4: go because we we'll have everything organized and we get

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Speaker 4: onto it quickly and won't get how we do it

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Speaker 4: for some the diseases. That's what we've been established at

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Speaker 4: national level. But unfortunately the diseases are coming. They're very

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Speaker 4: mixed and varied, and some we've got protocols for and

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Speaker 4: some we haven't. I think it's fair to say that

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Speaker 4: we've learned from the past. Has been diseased in the

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Speaker 4: tomato industry that have taken six to twelve months to

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Speaker 4: get nationally a great approach in place. We'll have a

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Speaker 4: nationally great approach in place for this one within three months,

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Speaker 4: and we can we can get it on back on track.

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Speaker 1: Peter, appreciate your time. Thank you my pleasure. Peter Rappleford,

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Speaker 1: Incident Controller for PERSA