1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: From the newsroom a news still come to me. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Emily Waterson and I've successfully broken back into 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: the Buckey booth while he's on holiday, and I'm glad 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: he's having a break because there is a fair bit 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: going on in the news dot com dot AU newsroom 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: at the moment, from record rains hitting Australia's East coast 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: to the p Diddy trial. There is a lot to 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: talk about, but sadly I can't seem to look past 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: Jojo Siwah and her very new relationship, especially after they 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: hard launched on Instagram. Sorry not sorry. Now, if you 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: don't watch celebrity Big Brother or haven't kept up with 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: the Saga of Seawa, then you better tighten your hairbow 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 2: because news dot com dot a U's entertainment journal Nick 14 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: Bond is gonna hold our hand and take us through 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: it all. But he won't stop there. Because we can't 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: talk Big Brother without mentioning some of the infamous moments 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: that have plastered TVs across the world since the turn 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: of the millennium, we asked Nik to take us through 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: his top five. Well, Nick, thanks so much for joining me. 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: Would you mind attempting to untangle a bit of the 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: web that is Jojo Siwah at the moment. 22 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: Yes, I would be happy to look. It occurred to 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: me that if you are a bit confused by this 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: Jojo Siwa Chris Hughes controversy at the moment, you might 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: need an explainer on Jojo Siwell, maybe some people haven't 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: been following her quite as closely as I have in 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: recent years. But look some background on Jojo. She's a 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: former child star who came out as gay a couple 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: of years ago and since then has been very out. 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: She's passion girls in her music videos. At one point 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: she declared that she invented a new genre that she 32 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: was calling gay pop. She's the first gay person to 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: make pop music, so thank you very much for that, Jojo. 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: In recent months, she spent a lot of time in 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Australia and she was in a relationship with Kath Ebbs, 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: a local influencer who's kind of best known as the 37 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: bestie to Abby Chatfield. Now Jojo enters the celebrity Big 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: Brother House and she very quickly has an obvious connection 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: with fellow housemate Chris Hughes, an ex Love Island contestant. 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: They're cuddling in bed, they're playing pranks together. At one 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: point he really passionately defends her when Mickey Rourke has 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: a go at her. There's a lot of stuff going 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: on with between the two of them in the house 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: that if you're one of their partners watching at home, 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: you'd kind of want to hop on big Brother's microphone 46 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, back off, you know, cool it, guys. 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: And at the same time, she's kind of having a 48 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: few realizations. I mean, JoJo's only young, she's twenty one 49 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: years old, and she confesses to some of the other 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: housemates that maybe she's rethinking her sexuality, maybe it's a 51 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: bit broader than solely being gay. And they both make 52 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: it to the end of the show, and that's when 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: things get really dramatic. Jojo pretty much immediately breaks up 54 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: with Kath the night of the finale, and Kath does 55 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: what any good influencer would do and immediately makes a 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: nine minute TikTok about the whole ordeal. It's actually crazy. 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: Went to the APHA party with my I guess now 58 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: X crazy thing to say and was dumped in the party. 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: I was told that there are confused feelings there do 60 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: with that what you will. 61 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: But flash forward a few weeks later and it actually 62 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: does seem like this Chris and Jojo thing wasn't just 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: a showmance like they do, seem genuine. They're currently on 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: holiday in Mexico, where they've posted a bunch of loved 65 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: up photos on their social media accounts. They're insisting it's 66 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: a friendship, but I don't know. I don't kiss my 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: friends like that, like the pictures that we've seen of 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: them in a hotel pool together. So it's a pretty 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: good entry into kind of Big Brother scandals over the years, 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: and I have to say it has a lot of 71 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: echoes to one that happened here in Australia over a 72 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: decade ago, the Tully and Drew scandal. It's good that 73 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: you remember this. A lot of people that don't remember 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Big Brother contestants about five minutes after they leave the house. 75 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: But Tully went into the Big Brother House in twenty thirteen, 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: and she too had a girlfriend at the time named Talia. 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, Tali is a friend of Kath Ebbs. All 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: these reality TV influenzas all know each other, and Kat 79 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: said in her recent tell All podcast that she had 80 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: told Jojo about the Tully scandal and her joke that 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: she'd better not and I quote pull a Tully. So 82 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: back in twenty thirteen, Drew and Tully struck up a 83 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: romance in the house and Tully's girlfriend tweeted, thanks for 84 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: your concern, but I'm a big girl. I'll be just fine. 85 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Life goes on hashtag single babes come at me now. 86 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: Tully got evicted, but then she re entered the house 87 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: to surprise Drew. This was during a challenge where all 88 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: their housemates had to freeze and they weren't meant to 89 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: move or react. Tully did a pretty baller move. She 90 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: walked up and kissed him and said, by the way, 91 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm single, and then walked back out. Australia went wild. 92 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: Pouch makes freeze. Hey, let hey, you going by the way, 93 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: I'm single. 94 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: Sadly, there isn't a very happy end to this one. 95 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: This could be a bit of a portentious thing for 96 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: Jojo and Chris. Tully and Drew dated for a little while, 97 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: but it did not last sadly. 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: Indeed, I remember watching in high school and the whole 99 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: Tully and Drew thing was the talk of the town. 100 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: The town being my year ten peers. But it's not 101 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: the only memorable Big Brother moment? What are some others 102 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: that stand out? 103 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Sure, it's funny you mentioned, you know, Big Brother when 104 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: you were in high school in twenty thirteen. I was 105 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: in high school over a decade before that, and I 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: remember the first seasons of Big Brother coming on and 107 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: being the absolute talk of high school. I mean, one thing, 108 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: one thing I can't not mention is Big Brother and Cut, 109 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: which was on during the early seasons, which was just 110 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: one hour a week where you just watched the housemates showering. 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: It was just like an hour of filthy, full frontal munity, 112 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: which for teenage viewers was pretty scandalous for anyone, really, 113 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: it's pretty. 114 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: That I was the part that I wasn't allowed to watch. 115 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Probably with good reason. Yeah. Look, another early scandal came 116 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. That would have been housemate 117 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Merlin having a pretty public protest. He was evicted from 118 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: the show, and there were live evictions back in the day. Now, 119 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: as soon as the iconic Gretel Colleen brought him out 120 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: on stage for his post eviction interview, he put tape 121 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: over his mouth. He picked up a handmade sign that 122 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: he'd kind of surreptitiously made in the house which said 123 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: free the refugees, or because he was using sticky tape 124 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: that didn't quite work. It actually said free tar refugees. 125 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: But we got the point, and he just refused to 126 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: do the kind of allotted ten minutes you know what 127 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: were your favorite highlights and low lights of the house interview. 128 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: He just sat there refusing to do it. Now, it 129 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: was a very awkward ten minutes, but I have to 130 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: give both of them credit. I mean, he got booed 131 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: by about three thousand people they're live on the night, 132 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: and he had a very ticked off Gretel Colleen looking 133 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: at him, trying to get him to talk, but he held 134 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: his nerve and he wanted to make his political point. 135 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: Everybody sit down and be quiet. 136 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: Merlin, can I ask you a simple mathematical question. This 137 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: segment is five minutes? Are you going to speak at all? Right? 138 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: Please, We've got business to do. I'm sure we've all 139 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: had plenty of time to absorb Merlin's message, which is 140 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: a valid message. 141 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: And may I say a good opportunity to express it. 142 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: Well done, and also props to Gretel because I think 143 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: a lot of other TV presenters would have kind of 144 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: gotten very frazzled with that, but she somehow managed to 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: make it work. She got a bit annoyed, but she 146 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: didn't lose her call and she didn't she didn't lose 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: control of the situation. 148 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a force. She both fills me with fear 149 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: and admiration. 150 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: Well, all these Australian Big Brother reboots, I think everyone's 151 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: missing what we actually want, which is we want Gretel 152 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: back hosting the show. Plea. 153 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is why anyone's watching it is for her. Yes, 154 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: there was another, a big moment, maybe not so noble, 155 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: the Turkey slab. 156 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: Yes. Well, when we talk about losing control of the situation, 157 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: this is one moment where Big Brother really went off 158 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: the rails. This was a couple of years later, in 159 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and this involved Big Brother contestant 160 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: Camilla and two male housemates. Now, the incident didn't air 161 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: on TV, but it was caught on sort of late 162 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: night vision footage in an online live stream and then 163 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: widely shared across the internet. So the Turkey slap that 164 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: we all remember was basically two male housemates in a 165 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: kind of moment of frenzy. Everyone had been drinking and 166 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: running around being crazy in the house. They slapped their 167 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: exposed genitals on an unsuspecting Camilla's shoulder as a prank. 168 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: And I feel dirty even just saying that. But I 169 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: think the interesting thing here is that Camilla herself didn't 170 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: actually complain about it. She didn't feel that she had 171 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: been assaulted. But the producers saw it and thought, this 172 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: is unacceptable behavior. We've got to draw a line in 173 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: the sand. Tier and the two men, Michael John Brick 174 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: and Michael Ashley Cox were Cox. That's an unfortunate surname, 175 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: isn't it. We're quickly removed from the show, And once 176 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: it did go public that this was the reason they 177 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: were being booted out, there was huge public outrage, including 178 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: calls from the then Prime Minister John Howard to cancel 179 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Big Brother. He said, well, here's a great opportunity for 180 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: Channel ten to do a bit of self regulation and 181 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: get this stupid program off the air. Now, the real 182 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: kind of victim in all this was Camilla, who was 183 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: at the center of a real media storm. She spoke 184 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: out over a decade later on the Ben, rob and 185 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: Robbo Show, and she reflected on the event and its 186 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: lasting impact. She really downplayed the incident. She said it 187 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: was a brief moment that lasted around fifteen seconds during 188 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: an otherwise pretty uneventful one hundred days stay in the house. 189 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: There was tiredness involved, there was a lot of heavy 190 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: drinking involved. They were just all being a bit crazy 191 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: and letting off steam. She said that they didn't intend 192 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: any harm to her, and she didn't hold any lasting 193 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: resentment to them. But she said what really did do 194 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: damage to her was the intense scrutiny afterwards, where everybody 195 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: from the Prime Minister down was weighing in. She said 196 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: there were helicopters overhead once she got out of the house, 197 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: there was intrusive media attention. But she also says that 198 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: she's moved on with her life and she doesn't let 199 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: that define her. She's been married, had children, had a 200 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: radio career, moved on to study. So she says she's 201 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: not scarred by the incident herself, but she is kind 202 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: of scarred by the fallout afterwards and the ensuing scandal. 203 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: A former Big Brother producer said the whole situation was 204 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: pretty scary and it's kind of served as a major 205 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: lesson for reality TV producers. I feel like, you know, 206 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: some drunken exploits are good, but maybe like, let's not 207 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: let people get too drunk that they absolutely lose control. 208 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean if that was happening today, it would 209 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: be have a completely different response. 210 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I think you have to give credit 211 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: to the Big Brother producers. They didn't wait for a 212 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: scandal to act. They acted before the scandal happened. They 213 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: saw it and said this isn't actually appropriate behavior for 214 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: our show. You need to leave now. 215 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, almost ahead of its time, jumping over many a pond. 216 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: As we've heard, like all the Jojo see while stuff 217 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: has happened in the UK with Celebrity Big Brother. 218 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: I have to say, UK Celebrity Big Brother makes our 219 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: Big Brother look like play school at times. The scandals 220 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: that come out of that show are absolutely wild. And 221 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: one is Roxane Palette, who was kind of a soap 222 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: star in the UK that before her Big Brother stint, 223 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody in Australia would have really heard of her, 224 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: but then everyone did hear of her for all the 225 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: wrong reasons. So she wrongly accused another of the housemates 226 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: of physical assault. She went, you know, crying to Big 227 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Brother and said I have been assaulted by the actor 228 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Ryan Thomas. She said that he deliberately and repeatedly punched her. Now, 229 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why she didn't remember that you're always 230 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: on camera and big brother and these things can be 231 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: checked quite easily, and if you're going to accuse somebody 232 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: of assaulting you, that they can actually go and make 233 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: sure that that actually happened and what was found that 234 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't that didn't happen at all. He punched the 235 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: air kind of near her while they were doing a playfight. 236 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: Oh woman, be. 237 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask if you want you action on, 238 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: but I'm actually Keny said I might be good at 239 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: that her. Can you call me to the diary room. 240 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: Please, this is big Brother. Would Roxanne come to the 241 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: diary room. I'd need to talk to somebody about something 242 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: that's just happened that made me feel really uncomfortable. 243 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: Can't believe you're. 244 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: Letting somebody stare at s And it really took a 245 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: disastrous turn for her because you know, she was accused 246 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: of trying to ruin this man's career. I think they 247 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: were over around twenty five thousand complaints to the TV 248 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: networks and to Offcom the regulator. The backlash proved so 249 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: overwhelming that Roxanne had to issue a public apology on 250 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: TV and Yeah, it can really only be described as 251 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: a career ruiner for her. I mean that happened in 252 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and she really hasn't been seen or heard 253 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: from since. 254 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, to forget that Big Brother is the only 255 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: show in which there is no blind corner is a 256 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: pretty big website. 257 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: It's the real reality TV cliche. They always say, oh, 258 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, once you're in there for a day or so, 259 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: you just forget that the cameras are rolling. But it 260 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: seems like it really was the case for her. 261 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, she put her money where her mouth is. 262 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more Big Brother scandals. Welcome back. 263 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: I'm joined by news dot com dot a US entertainment 264 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: journalist Nick Bond. What was another big one from celebrity 265 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: Big Brother David's Dead? 266 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: David's Dead? Yeah, this one really tickles me more than 267 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: perhaps it should, because it does involve a lot of death. 268 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: But if you watch the clip of this, it is 269 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: one of the funniest, most bizarre reality TV moments of 270 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: all times. So we're going back to January twenty sixteen. 271 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: Here the celebrity Big Brother House has its usual, you know, 272 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: odd ball collection of people, including David Bowie's ex wife, 273 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: David Guest, who's best known as being the ex husband 274 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: of Liza Minelli, and Tiffany Pollard aka in New York 275 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: who's just reality TV legend. Now, this happened when David 276 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: Bowie had died of cancer, and so obviously the Big 277 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,119 Speaker 1: Brother producers did the right thing and they ushered Angie 278 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: into the diary room and let her know that her 279 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: ex husband, many many years ago, they hadn't been together 280 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: for many years, but did the right thing and let 281 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: her know that he had passed. She was pretty upset. 282 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: She went back outside and told the first person that 283 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: she saw, which was Tiffany Pollard, and she said, David's dead. 284 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: I've just found out David's dead. Now Tiffany doesn't know 285 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: who David is. She assumes she means David Guest, who 286 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: is also a contestant in the house, who's in the 287 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: other room, and then she starts spreading it to another 288 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: person and they start spreading it and there was absolute 289 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: panic and pandemonium in the house as they think that 290 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: David Guests, who I think is just having a nap 291 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: in the other room. 292 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: I think he's actually a little bit under the weather 293 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: as well. So it's all like the perfect storm is 294 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: it is. 295 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: Just the most beautiful, like fascical miscommunication that is just 296 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: chaos going through a world. Nothing. No, it's that. 297 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: You can't you can't do that. 298 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: He told me that David is dead. 299 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: Yes, David, she said he just died. And I can't 300 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: all by my soul. She told me that David died. 301 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: What did I do? He told her that David was 302 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: deb with cancer. Yes he is. He's in there asleep, 303 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: David my ex husband. What I think? 304 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: And then everyone's getting angry and Angie, why would you 305 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: lie about this? And she's saying, no, it's David Bowie. 306 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: David Bowie's died. And you know, the weirdest kind of 307 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: thing that happened a few months after this, and again 308 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: this is very blackly, you know, comedic in some ways, 309 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: but David Guest did die a couple of months after 310 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: the show ended. He died in London at the age 311 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: of sixty two. So it's almost like Angie like put 312 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: a curse on him or something. 313 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: Is Tiffy Pollard's a prophet. 314 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the smartest people of that time. 315 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's tapping into a different realm. Wow. That has 316 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: been so much fun to relive all of those fantastic 317 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: moments of reality TV. 318 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Nick, Thanks so much. 319 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: If you still want to know more from Nick Bond 320 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: or Jojo, head to news dot com dot a U 321 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: to read all about it. Thanks for listening. 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