WEBVTT - Episode 32: Finally, A Finding 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 Listeners are advised that this podcast series Bromwin contains course 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.840 language and adult themes. This podcast series is brought to 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:42.320 you by me Headley Thomas and The Australian. On the 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:46.480 morning of Good Friday, April eighteen, twenty twenty five, one 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.960 week before the release two subscribers of this episode number 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.720 thirty two in the Bromwin series. I flew to Sydney 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.200 and went straight to Andy and Michelle's house in the Shire. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.920 This was my third visit to their home in a 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.720 place that Andy proudly refers to as God's Country. We've 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:13.679 caught up multiple times elsewhere Good I I. We spoke 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.280 about a range of things. The evidence from the inquest 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.560 was on Andy's mind because he was rehearing it in 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:25.640 these in Quest episodes. He cannot understand why so much 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:31.440 evidence went missing. Here is one example. Andy had numerous 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:36.240 conversations with the detective Graham discin back in nineteen ninety three, 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.560 but police running sheets documenting the concerns that Andy was 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.640 raising with Balano detectives in nineteen ninety three appear to 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:49.440 be missing from the record. However, a formal document which 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:55.000 purports to particularize a conversation between Bromwin's cousin Megan Reid 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.480 and Graham Discin in nineteen ninety three has survived and 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.760 forms part of the evidentiary record. It's the document that 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:08.000 paints John in a positive light while depicting Bromwin as 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:14.279 an unstable fantasist. Meghan emphatically denies saying the things attributed 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:20.079 to her in that document. Meanwhile, other relevant evidence appears 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:25.079 to have completely disappeared. Where is all the information and 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:26.919 the running shoots path? 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.200 The stuff's missing? Will we ever know the truth? 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.880 During the inquest they were still getting documents Bromman's letters. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.200 That stuff was still being made available at a late 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.920 stage of the actual five days of hearings, and this 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.360 was material that Discin had originally received from John. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:48.440 Nothing adds up. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.520 This is going to be the last episode for some weeks. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.120 Andy and Michelle have headed overseas for a long planned 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.679 holiday and there's a good prospect will catch up somewhere, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.679 perhaps in the highlands of Scotland. At the end of 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.680 this episode, my very good friend and colleague Matt Condon 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:14.280 will share news about his upcoming podcast series called The 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.480 Gangster's Ghost. It will start coming out in May twenty 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.440 twenty five, when the weekly production of the Bromwin series 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.480 is on pause or a couple of months. What we'll 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:32.200 do then is have a season break. When you get back, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.240 you're expecting to be able to sit down with senior police. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.680 Yep, yes, I'm hoping to be able to go and 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:42.520 have a do. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.240 Briefing with them, find out where we're at. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.320 That sounds promising. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.520 We reflected on the fact that fourteen months earlier, in 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.360 the same comfortable chairs in their lounge room, we recorded 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.320 our first interviews together. But back then we are not 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.920 aware of the evidence of Judy Singh, of the potential 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:10.120 significance of Illawong, the glaring inconsistencies in John's versions, and 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:14.880 the gaping holes in investigations by police. I didn't think 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.200 we'd still be talking about this and planning further episodes 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:21.359 more than a year later. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.599 No, it's incredible, isn't it. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.120 It's not tangible, but to me, it feels as if 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.480 there's been some change, potentially on the verge. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:33.000 Of a breakthrough. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.480 Feels like it, doesn't it. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.760 There are several more leads that I want to develop 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:44.320 in the podcast, and there's also George Radmore's cold case 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.320 review and further evidence that came to light through that. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.840 It is also important, in my view to investigate and 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.359 report in this podcast how the then lawyers in the 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.200 Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions in Lismore and 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.320 then it is in the head office in Sydney can 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.280 have come to the view that there was not enough evidence. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.960 That was a view contrary to the unequivocal finding of 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.640 the then Deputy State Coroner Karl Milvanovitch, and you'll hear 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.400 his detailed reasons near the end of this episode. Karl's 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.000 judgment looks right, and the evidence in our view has 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.839 always been damning in relation to just one person. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.119 But we can do that when you get back. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:32.960 Sounds like a plan. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:33.960 That's good. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:41.040 The whole object of this is finding the truth, the 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.799 truth about what happened to Brohman, whatever that may be. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.840 Now, the fact that it's sort of. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.120 Narrowed itself down a path where it doesn't look like 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.400 anything else could have happened except for one thing, well, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.000 that's just the way it is. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:02.800 Now. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.239 Let's return to the inquest. It's day four. Matt Fordham 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.440 is revisiting the written statement of Jody's mother, Jennifer Mason 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.719 and how she had told police that John left the 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.080 two girls with Jennifer's mother in law, Joan Mason, and 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.640 that when John returned, he asked Jennifer to look after 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:23.760 them for a fortnight. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.840 Matt Fordham asked, Jody. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.000 Does it surprise you that someone with the parenting schools 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.039 of your father would not plan ahead for the childcare? 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.279 Well, yes, you know you would normally plan ahead, but 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.400 I mean didn't have time really, he just came back. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.080 So, ma'am, I'll read out some further parts of your 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:43.960 mother's statement. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.599 I came home one day from shopping in nineteen ninety 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.280 three and my mother in law, Brad's mother, said, you've 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.560 got two visitors out in the backyard. Both of the 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.480 children were dressed in pajamas. Joan told me that John 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.320 Winfield had turned up about an hour earlier and asked 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.200 if he could leave the kids at my house. There 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.359 were no clothes for the children that John brought. It 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.200 was about an hour after that when John arrived. I 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:14.000 said to him something like what's going on? John said, 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.480 I've got a big job on and nobody to look 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.440 after the kids. Can you look after them? For about 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:24.679 two weeks I'll pay you. I said, where's Bromwind. John 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.680 said she's gone off with a boyfriend. I said, I 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.360 can't look after them, You'll have to find someone else. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.120 I'm in the process of packing and moving. I remember 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.600 thinking at the time it was strange he hadn't brought 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.200 any clothing for the children. It wasn't his normal character. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.160 He usually liked to be organized. I found out later 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.440 through Jody that Bromward had gone missing from Lennox Head. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.160 Ma'am, do you know apart from the registration of the car, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.360 do you know anywhere else that Jonathan may have gone 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.560 and the hours around lunchtime on that day? 0:07:58.520 --> 0:07:59.200 No, I don't. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:05.320 Matt Fordham then asked Jody about her hairdressing apprenticeship. As 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.680 part of her training, she also went to a technical college, 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.440 and Jody said that her one day a week at 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.880 college would have been each Monday or Wednesday. The police 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.280 officer reminded Jody that she did not remember the family 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.520 dog being inside the car. When, according to Jody, her 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.920 father arrived with the two girls at the salon on 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.960 Monday morning, it seemed that he was doubting whether John 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:32.920 had even gone to the salon. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.680 Ma'am but do you recall there was some journals inside 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.040 the car, Is that correct? 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:39.439 Yep, in the back. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.520 Whereabouts in the back were they? 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.480 I don't know, And I was just talking to Dad 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.040 before I went back in. The boot was open and 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.320 he was getting something out for the kids. I don't 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.439 know what, but that's when he picked it up out 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.680 of the boot. I don't even know if I saw 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.680 what side of the boot, but he sort of picked 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.720 it up and went to show me. But I knew 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.760 I was getting called back inside, so I will not called. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.319 But I knew I was getting looked at and needed 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.120 to be back inside, so I didn't have time to 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.280 go into anything with it. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.160 Here for the first time, John's daughter was introducing evidence 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.400 of having seen inside the car's boot on the Monday morning. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.440 She remembered this at the inquest during the lunch adjournment. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.320 After just talking to Dad. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.280 Now we have speculated that Bromwin's body was in the boot. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:34.040 Matt Fordham's earlier questions about John's unknown movements after he 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.400 had dropped the two girls off at the home of 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.240 his ex wife were connected to a similar theory that 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.439 Bromwin's body was in the boot of the ford Falcon, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.440 but neither the police officer nor Detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.960 knew then of the two paws of concrete at the 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.840 building site in Illawan where John had been working. It 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.959 only became known because we asked for building department documents 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.760 from the local southerland Shire Council. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.480 Did you see anything else inside the boot? 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:07.600 No, not that I remember. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.880 And these journals that you saw, could you describe them 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:12.240 to us? 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.040 It was just like a force cap page with no 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.559 front on it, and it just was pages of her writing. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.440 I know her writing, and it was her writing and 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.240 just on a notebook sort of thing. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.200 Did you see them inside the boot and pick them 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.440 up or did your father pick them up and hand 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:27.839 them to you? 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.960 From memory, I seem to seem sort of pulling them 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.920 out like, but I don't really I don't really. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.640 Remember, I'm not And did he hand them to you? 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:39.600 No, I don't think so. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.800 Matt Fordham asked a flurry of questions. Did she read 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.240 the pages, did her father comment to her about them? 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.360 Did she get a look at them? Jody answered no. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.800 You see, ma'am, today is the first time that you've 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.920 either told the police or his worship about seeing those 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.679 journals at the back of the car that day, isn't it. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.160 I don't think so. I'm sure I told Detective Taylor 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:05.480 about that when he spoke to me. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.080 You'd agree with me that there's absolutely no reference in 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.000 your statement too. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.200 No, it's not in there. I know it's not in there. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.600 I don't know why it wasn't written in my statement, 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.400 but I do sort of. I'm positive. I remember talking 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.600 to Detective Taylor and Detective Temby about it, and he 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.760 said something to the words of, yeah, well, we don't 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.280 know where that is now, like it disappeared, so and 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.640 I'm pretty confident and Detective Temby was there, so we 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:30.600 just left it at that. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.760 Why did you tell Detective Temby in Detective Taylor about. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.600 That, because he asked me if i'd seen into the 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.880 boot that day and what was in there, and that's 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.400 how the notebook came up. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.200 In your discussions with your father over the years, have 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.800 you learnt the relevance of those documents? 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:49.280 No? 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:49.720 I haven't. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.120 Actually, is there any reason why you didn't indicate it 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:54.200 to Detective Discan. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.240 Detective disc In, I only spoke to Detective Discan for 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.600 about five minutes, and he asked me, nothing like that. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.160 Jody was then asked again about how her father connected 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:10.080 with Rebecca Maguire to visit the house on Sunday evening. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.559 Jody said that she had not put them in touch. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.960 She said John had not talked to her about who 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:21.280 would be suitable to accompany him to Sandstone Crescent. Jody 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.240 seemed perplexed. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.959 She didn't have the phone on. I don't think Matt. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.120 Fordham went back to Broman's writings. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.240 You'd agree that a journal would be some indication as 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.880 to a state of mind at the time she went missing, 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:35.440 wouldn't it. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:37.320 Yeah? 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.800 And you'd agree with me that if the Reeds were 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.160 asking you about what had happened to Bronwin, you'd be 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.120 trying to provide them with all the information that you could, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:46.840 wouldn't you. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:48.400 I would assume. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.960 So you certainly wouldn't be trying to hide anything, would you. 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:53.080 No? 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.400 And if you accept that your father at no stage 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.520 even told the Reeds about the existence of the journal, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.120 doesn't that strike you as being strange? 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.040 Maybe? But my dad's a very private person. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.959 So, ma'am, how many nights did the children and your 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:12.600 father stay with you at your flat? I don't recall, 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:14.839 where did the family dog stay. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.320 I don't know. I didn't have the dog with me, 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:18.800 so I didn't know where the. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.880 Dog was, ma'am. After the months have passed and Bronwin 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.000 hasn't returned, what happened to the jewelry that she owned? 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.360 I never really asked. I never I thought she would 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.200 have had it with her until the other day when 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.040 I saw the box. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.079 She would have had earrings, she would have had necklaces, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.360 she would have had bangles, She would have had a 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.240 range of jewelry, wouldn't she Probably Do you know what 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:42.800 happened to that? 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:44.560 No, I don't. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.800 When you returned to the house at lanticx Head, at 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.640 some stage, did you ever inquire of your dad as 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.679 to what happened to the things that Bronwin owned. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.160 I think at some stage I may have asked where 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.360 the clothes, where her clothes were or something, because I mean, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.800 she you know, she didn't take much with her or whatever, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.360 so I think he put them in a bag and 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.120 they were kept in the house for her. But I'm 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:08.360 not certain on that either. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.720 To your knowledge, does your father still have any of 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.479 the jewelry that braun Went owned. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.400 Well, I don't know. I've never asked him. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.480 Were you told anything about a medicare check by your father? 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.640 I don't remember anything about the medicare. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.760 Check now, ma'am. In the weeks that your father has 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.000 arrived down in Sydney after the sixteenth of May, did 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.720 you have any discussions with him about taking legal action 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:33.480 to protect his interests in the house. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.280 Sorry, say that again. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.880 Matt Fordham asked his question again. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.320 Logically, if Bromin was alive and she had gone away 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.920 for a few days or a couple of weeks, she 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.800 would return and then the contest over the. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.240 House would be on again. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.320 John would surely talk to Jody about his plans to 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.480 counter Broman's determination to walk away from the failed marriage 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.720 with a part of their asset pul which was rightfully hers. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.920 No, I never talked to him about the house. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.960 You've never discussed the ownership of the house with your father, No, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:08.600 not at all. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.080 I know nothing about the legal part of any of 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.160 their stuff, both of them. My dad would never have 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.640 told me information like that, and Bronwin would never have 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:17.520 got me involved in. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.840 Stuff like that. Do you think your father was concerned 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.880 about Bronwin running off with the children? 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:23.720 No? 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.120 Why is that well, there was never any reason for 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:28.720 her to run off with them. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.480 Looking back on it now, don't you think that it's 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.760 strange the course of events that followed Bronlin's disappearance. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.800 At the time, I didn't question it because, yes, my age, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.600 if it happened now and the age I am, yes, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.600 I would have had so many questions like everybody else does. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.960 But at the time I didn't because I just I 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:47.560 just didn't. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.520 Ma'am. Do you have any idea what may have happened 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:51.080 to Bronwin? 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:52.800 No, I don't. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.760 You would have become quite close to Bronwin in the 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.000 years that you stayed with it, is that correct? 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:58.800 Yes? 0:15:58.840 --> 0:15:59.200 I did. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.240 She was very much a mother figure to you, wasn't she. Yeah, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.120 And you'd agree with me that any sightings of Bronin 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.440 would be something that you would be keen of the 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.880 police to follow up very quickly an attempt to locate her. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.120 Definitely, And you'd agree with me that. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.960 If Bronin was located, then it would put everybody's mind 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.200 to rest, wouldn't it. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:22.640 Definitely. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.800 Matt Fordham summarized Jody's actions earlier in the week, when 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.440 she indicated that she had received information on Monday morning 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.640 from a woman Kayleen, who had purportedly told Jody that 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.160 another woman, Joanne, may have seen Bromwin. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:43.680 In Nimben out Nimbenweh was what she told me out Nimbenweh. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.440 And do you agree with me that when the officer 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.200 in charge and I asked you some questions in relation 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.640 to who Joanne was and who the caller was, you 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.840 said words to the effect that you didn't want to 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.920 ask too many questions because you were scared that you 0:16:57.960 --> 0:16:59.160 would scare her off. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.760 Well, I got what I needed to get out of her, 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.960 and I didn't want to ask her last name. I had, however, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.760 got Joanne's name and that she was married to Craig 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.760 and that was Mark Guthrie's brother. I thought that's all 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.640 I needed. And after I asked her if she has 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.159 told the police this information, she said yes. I thought, well, 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.280 it would be in the statements. They can find her 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.080 name through that. That's why I didn't push for anything else. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.520 But you'd agree with me that the information you're hearing 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.920 on Monday morning, it's a fairly extraordinary thing for people 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.679 to ring you up and say that they may have 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:30.200 seen her. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.480 Well, yes, especially being on the morning of it. But 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.320 I'm just I'm just relaying the information that I have. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.840 I mean, what was I going to do, not turn 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.160 up and say it. I had to say what happened. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.320 The police officer pointed out that Jody had not inquired 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:50.240 of Kayleen's surname, nor had Jody asked about Bromwin's purported 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:51.879 whereabouts in Nimben. 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.000 No, because I didn't want to scare her off. I 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.119 just knew that if her name was in the statements, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.360 you'd be able to find her. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:00.600 Why should she be scared? 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.920 Because if she knew this, why didn't she come forward 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.919 with it earlier? If Johanna told her years ago that 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.840 she thought she saw her, why didn't she come forward. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.360 I got the impression she didn't want to be involved, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.280 so I just left it that way. I expect you 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:16.720 to take it further, not me. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.080 You weren't interested in finding out yourself? 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.720 Yes, I was, but I knew you would do that 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:23.159 for me. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.440 You see, ma'am, I really can't believe that someone who 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.320 has lost a mother figure would simply say, well, I 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.600 won't ask any questions of this caller, I'll let police 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.840 follow it up. Have you ever received any financial gifts 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:41.880 from your father of a substantial nature. No, you've obviously 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.480 discussed the progress of this matter with your father leading 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.320 up to you today of this week. 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.960 You mean, briefly, But Dad's trying. He doesn't get me 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.760 involved in it. He does not involve me or influence 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.240 me in any way whatsoever. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.000 When you say he doesn't involve you, you'd agree with 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:03.320 me that on seventeen May nineteen ninety three, he involved you, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.720 didn't he. Yes, Are you suggesting that your father hasn't 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.120 spoken with you at all about the evidence that you've 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.080 heard at this inquest? 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:11.840 No, not really. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.280 Jodie insisted that her father had not suggested to her 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.480 any of the evidence that she should give to the inquest, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.320 and she said that he had definitely not influenced her 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.520 in relation to her memory of events relevant to Bromwin's disappearance. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.240 You see, ma'am, there must have been some information over 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.400 the years that you've learned about Bronwin and her disappearance, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.119 which you've learnt from your father. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.160 There's lots of things I've learned about this whole thing 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.400 over the years. And to be honest, like somebody said, rumors, 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.520 there are so many rumors that it's just like this 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.560 influx of information. You don't know where you get it 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.119 from half the time the stuff. 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.600 You hear, And ma'am, you'd agree that based on your 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.680 knowledge of Bronwin, she wouldn't be the person that would 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.399 walk out on her children, would she. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:00.240 I wouldn't have thought so. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.240 And therefore, ma'am, you must be surprised that Bronlin hasn't 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:05.879 returned after all this time. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.200 Yes, I am surprised, but you know there was things 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.600 going on with Bronwin at the time when she disappeared. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.600 You're saying, ma'am, I'm suggesting it's unbelievable, really, that you 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.199 could lose this mother figure and these reported sightings occur, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.840 and the medicare check arrives, and the clothes go missing, 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.439 and you don't discuss these matters with your father. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.400 I don't discuss them in any great in any detail. No, 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.480 if I've asked him questions, he'll answer me, and that's 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.520 about it. I don't recall any definite conversations. I think 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.560 we just assumed that whoever picked her up in the 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:40.560 car was a boyfriend. 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.160 And you agree, there's been a suggestion that Bronwin may 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.960 have run off with some religious group or something like that. Yeah, 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.240 I've heard that too, And none of these things you've 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:52.359 discussed with your father. 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.840 I mean, the way I see it is that you know, 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.920 if your wife walks out on you and disappears, it's 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.840 obviously something that's going to be upsetting for you. So no, 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.199 I don't push him to talk. If he wants to 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.080 talk to me about it, of course I'm going to 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.320 talk to him, but I don't push him to talk 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:09.040 to me about it. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:15.800