Speaker 1: Apodge production.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have been working that Friday. It was Friday
Speaker 2: the nineteenth. Yeah, it was Friday, the nineteenth of August
Speaker 2: twenty length. But I'm glad I was working that day
Speaker 2: because had I been home, it could have been a
Speaker 2: different kettlefish.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were in a public place.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: So after I go to work in the salon, which
Speaker 2: is literally a drive down the hill from where the
Speaker 2: metal home was. Me I moved in the day before,
Speaker 2: so I had been so for surfing at my mems
Speaker 2: because my mother was saying, don't go back, you know,
Speaker 2: to the house, it's not safe. But police then on
Speaker 2: the eighteenth of August coming installed a panic room in
Speaker 2: my house.
Speaker 4: So basically they double skinned the bedroom door.
Speaker 2: I had two huge metal brackets put on the door frame,
Speaker 2: and I had a piece of metal to go across
Speaker 2: this store that was in case he came to the
Speaker 2: home while they tried to sort of like get him
Speaker 2: sort of locked up because he was on bail and
Speaker 2: he was due back in court on the fourteenth of
Speaker 2: October of that year. So I'm thinking, shit, you know,
Speaker 2: I got you know, I feel like a prisoner now
Speaker 2: because I've got this panic room installed in my house,
Speaker 2: feeling like the police you know, shit now you know
Speaker 2: they knew exactly what they were dealing with. You know,
Speaker 2: he was very anti police. You know, he had a
Speaker 2: name for himself. And I'm thinking, wow, you know, how
Speaker 2: long is this going to go on for? So anyway,
Speaker 2: I go to work on the Friday and my boss
Speaker 2: says to me, you know how you feeling. I still
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get rid of psychle Bill, I said.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2: I said, but I sort of like feel as if
Speaker 2: my life and getting my life back. So I was
Speaker 2: back in the home the night before. You know, all right,
Speaker 2: got this bloody panic room. But somebody something's going to
Speaker 2: happen where they're going to protect me. You know, he's
Speaker 2: going to or piss off and leave me alone. And
Speaker 2: I had it in my head for some reason. Then
Speaker 2: he was going to go to his a psychiatrist's appointment
Speaker 2: on that day. So I piled my sister. I said,
Speaker 2: do me a favor. I have a driver where I
Speaker 2: knew that the appointment might be and see if his
Speaker 2: land drover was there. Because he had a very distinctive
Speaker 2: land drover. So anyway, off she goes, and she text
Speaker 2: me back, no, there's no sign of it, and I
Speaker 2: thinking shit, And I'd had this not in my stomach
Speaker 2: all sort of morning and even to the point, and
Speaker 2: I've never experienced it before when I was trying to
Speaker 2: eat something and it just wouldn't go down. It was
Speaker 2: almost like there was a huge lump in my throat. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I was doing this lady's here, and I remember Josh,
Speaker 2: my oldest boy, one of his friends Nana, coming in
Speaker 2: and said, oh, how are you, Rachel, And I said
Speaker 2: My words to her was I'm trying to get rid
Speaker 2: of Real Molt and you know, you might remember the
Speaker 2: Real Moat story in the UK. And with that then
Speaker 2: I was giving this lady a change. And all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the shop sort of went quite dark, as
Speaker 2: if there was some sort of lorry or something block
Speaker 2: in the sunlight. And as I looked at the door,
Speaker 2: which was on like a corner, I could see Darren
Speaker 2: behind this door now, And as I'm looking at him,
Speaker 2: he's pushing the door open and I can see his
Speaker 2: hand reaching into this bagg he ad in front of him.
Speaker 2: And as I as he's doing this, I can see
Speaker 2: it's a gun, and he's pulling out a sawn off shotgun.
Speaker 2: Don't ask me why, I really don't know. I ran
Speaker 2: towards him and I started trying to fight with him
Speaker 2: for the gun. I mean, I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: any match, you know, for somebody like that, But at
Speaker 2: least I thought, you know, if you're gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: die trying. So I'm fighting with him for this gun.
Speaker 2: And then I can remember being smashed on the head
Speaker 2: with the better the gun and then falling on the floor.
Speaker 4: And bearing in mind, this was a Friday.
Speaker 2: Afternoon, twenty past two in the afternoon, a busy friday
Speaker 2: in a salon. There was a couple of old people
Speaker 2: under the dryer. There was people sat at stations having
Speaker 2: their head and you know, it's not like anyone.
Speaker 3: Did anyone to try and help you, No, would.
Speaker 1: You have kneel, fair play to you. But yeah, there
Speaker 1: was nobody coming in last shop that day, right, So
Speaker 1: I can remember then being on the floor because he
Speaker 1: took me with the better the gun and I'd fallen
Speaker 1: on the floor. And then I can remember pulling the
Speaker 1: reception desk had gone over near me, and I pulled
Speaker 1: that over me, which he booted away. There was an
Speaker 1: old lady on the floor, Connie, who was in her nineties,
Speaker 1: and you know, they don't they don't make him like
Speaker 1: they used to. And she's shouting at him.
Speaker 4: Go on, get out here, get out here. She was shouting,
Speaker 4: and she was like a war baby. You know.
Speaker 2: She was in the landown you and all that, you know,
Speaker 2: and she was shouting at Darren. And then I can
Speaker 2: remember looking down and seeing the phone off the receiver
Speaker 2: and I grabbed grabbed the phone, and I felt as
Speaker 2: weak as a kitten, and I remember trying to push
Speaker 2: the buttons down nine ninety nine and then the next thing.
Speaker 2: Then he was literally stood about four foot away from me.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I pulled my knees up under
Speaker 2: my chin, so I had the presence of mind to
Speaker 2: do that. So I was almost in a feetal position,
Speaker 2: and I said, for fuck's sake, think of Jack, thinking
Speaker 2: that he'll go in and he'll stop.
Speaker 4: What he's doing.
Speaker 2: And he literally pointed which would have been my chest
Speaker 2: if my legs weren't pulled up, and told me he
Speaker 2: left me and pulled the fist shot. Then I remember
Speaker 2: it was almost like because people say, you know, what
Speaker 2: did it feel like being shot? And I said, it
Speaker 2: was a huge impact. Like the third there was no
Speaker 2: pain and I remember no pain, no pain whatsoever. And
Speaker 2: I can remember thinking, fuck he shot me. And I
Speaker 2: remember like the gunpowder and almost like a smoky sort
Speaker 2: of bit from the gun and really smelling gunpowder, and
Speaker 2: then looking at my jeans and there was a huge
Speaker 2: hole in there, and I can remember it was almost
Speaker 2: like like a bright orange sort of liquid that came
Speaker 2: out and not blood.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, fuck, he shot me. Shot me.
Speaker 2: And then the next thing then there was a blast
Speaker 2: to the right of me. Whether he pulled it again
Speaker 2: or you know, it went off. You know, he didn't
Speaker 2: realize he had gone off. It just went off on
Speaker 2: his own, but that missed my head. Then the next thing.
Speaker 2: Then I remember being on the floor and looking to
Speaker 2: the left of me and seeing this gun on the floor,
Speaker 2: which is probably about that long, silver with ornate engraving
Speaker 2: on it, and I remember grabbing the gun. There must
Speaker 2: have been a battle for the gun because I had
Speaker 2: a watch on and if you google the watch, it
Speaker 2: actually comes up and in every direction of the watch
Speaker 2: face that is scratched it's almost frosted and it is
Speaker 2: stopped at twenty past two, so that is when the
Speaker 2: battle commenced, you know. And so I grabbed I was
Speaker 2: grabbing this gun and he was trying to get the
Speaker 2: gun off me. Then the next thing, then he booted
Speaker 2: me under the chin. And then I can remember him
Speaker 2: absolutely pameline me with punches, kicks, stamps, everything. Then the
Speaker 2: next thing, then he was gone. He was just gone
Speaker 2: from the shop.
Speaker 3: What I don't get is the fact that he's come in. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's come to kill you.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But knowing that what I don't get, Like he's coming
Speaker 3: to kill you. But then has he panicked or did
Speaker 3: he did he not want to kill you?
Speaker 4: To beat you up?
Speaker 3: How he did and then run off? But no one's
Speaker 3: actually trying to stop him anyway? Has he done what
Speaker 3: he knew? Nobody does with you? And gone? This I've
Speaker 3: done wrong. I need to get away and cry again.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you exactly what he'd have thought, right,
Speaker 2: because Darren was very methodical, right, so he would have
Speaker 2: planned and if I look back now, I should have known.
Speaker 3: Really did you know he had a gun?
Speaker 2: Oh? He had a two two pistol and he didn't
Speaker 2: have a firearms license, so we had an illegal gun
Speaker 2: years ago and an arsenal weapons that went to prison
Speaker 2: for it. You know, you google Darren Williams arsenal weapons
Speaker 2: and it comes up. So he'd already been done for
Speaker 2: a firearm. So all these services had dealt with us.
Speaker 2: Knew what a job he was. Okay, but this was
Speaker 2: given to him. We still haven't sourced it yet, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't his gun, so for me, I know Darren's thinking,
Speaker 2: so he would have planned this, which he did.
Speaker 4: The day before.
Speaker 2: The dogs were still at the house and his friend
Speaker 2: come and took the dogs and said, Darren's giving me
Speaker 2: the dogs.
Speaker 4: I thinking, okay.
Speaker 2: Then he said can I have his winch Off the
Speaker 2: land Rover which was in the shed, So I gave
Speaker 2: him that. So basically Darren's tying up or loose nds.
Speaker 2: I later found out that he phoned a previous partner
Speaker 2: and apologized for the way he treated her because, like
Speaker 2: I said, he was a serial perpetrator.
Speaker 4: He had an injunction on him years.
Speaker 2: Ago after assaulting this person, and he apologized to her
Speaker 2: for the way he treated her. So he was sort
Speaker 2: of tying up loose ends, and Darren had been to
Speaker 2: prison years ago for the firearms. Darren didn't like prison.
Speaker 2: He hated prison, Okay, So Darren's thinking would have been,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to prison for what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2: So he would have said to himself, I have got
Speaker 2: a time limit to go in killer, leave the scene
Speaker 2: before I'm caught, to go and take my own life.
Speaker 2: And I know that a friend of mine, and it's
Speaker 2: only after the sea, after the events, that you find
Speaker 2: little things out that my friend who works in the
Speaker 2: National Statistics Office in Wales, and she said one of
Speaker 2: her friends used to walk her dog every day along
Speaker 2: the canal and she had found in a bush where
Speaker 2: the dog was a load of discarded blue rope, and
Speaker 2: it was not far from where Darren had set up
Speaker 2: his place to hang from the tree. So that would
Speaker 2: have been set up days prior to that, because there's
Speaker 2: no way Darren would have gone to prison. And I
Speaker 2: absolutely strongly believed that they would have been planned b
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Had plan A failed for him to take
Speaker 2: his own life. So he either come in that shop
Speaker 2: thinking right, I've got two minutes before the police a
Speaker 2: year or four minutes, so I've got to be in
Speaker 2: and out. And I think because I ran towards him,
Speaker 2: which is something he probably wasn't expecting because most people
Speaker 2: do run away or freeze. And because I ran towards him,
Speaker 2: I that put him on the back foot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, h
Speaker 1: Mm hmm,