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Speaker 1: Apodge production.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have been working that Friday. It was Friday

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Speaker 2: the nineteenth. Yeah, it was Friday, the nineteenth of August

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Speaker 2: twenty length. But I'm glad I was working that day

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Speaker 2: because had I been home, it could have been a

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Speaker 2: different kettlefish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were in a public place.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: So after I go to work in the salon, which

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Speaker 2: is literally a drive down the hill from where the

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Speaker 2: metal home was. Me I moved in the day before,

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Speaker 2: so I had been so for surfing at my mems

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Speaker 2: because my mother was saying, don't go back, you know,

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Speaker 2: to the house, it's not safe. But police then on

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Speaker 2: the eighteenth of August coming installed a panic room in

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Speaker 2: my house.

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Speaker 4: So basically they double skinned the bedroom door.

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Speaker 2: I had two huge metal brackets put on the door frame,

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Speaker 2: and I had a piece of metal to go across

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Speaker 2: this store that was in case he came to the

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Speaker 2: home while they tried to sort of like get him

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Speaker 2: sort of locked up because he was on bail and

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Speaker 2: he was due back in court on the fourteenth of

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Speaker 2: October of that year. So I'm thinking, shit, you know,

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Speaker 2: I got you know, I feel like a prisoner now

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Speaker 2: because I've got this panic room installed in my house,

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Speaker 2: feeling like the police you know, shit now you know

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Speaker 2: they knew exactly what they were dealing with. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was very anti police. You know, he had a

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Speaker 2: name for himself. And I'm thinking, wow, you know, how

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Speaker 2: long is this going to go on for? So anyway,

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Speaker 2: I go to work on the Friday and my boss

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Speaker 2: says to me, you know how you feeling. I still

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get rid of psychle Bill, I said.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 2: I said, but I sort of like feel as if

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Speaker 2: my life and getting my life back. So I was

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Speaker 2: back in the home the night before. You know, all right,

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Speaker 2: got this bloody panic room. But somebody something's going to

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Speaker 2: happen where they're going to protect me. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: going to or piss off and leave me alone. And

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Speaker 2: I had it in my head for some reason. Then

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Speaker 2: he was going to go to his a psychiatrist's appointment

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Speaker 2: on that day. So I piled my sister. I said,

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Speaker 2: do me a favor. I have a driver where I

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Speaker 2: knew that the appointment might be and see if his

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Speaker 2: land drover was there. Because he had a very distinctive

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Speaker 2: land drover. So anyway, off she goes, and she text

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Speaker 2: me back, no, there's no sign of it, and I

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Speaker 2: thinking shit, And I'd had this not in my stomach

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Speaker 2: all sort of morning and even to the point, and

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Speaker 2: I've never experienced it before when I was trying to

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Speaker 2: eat something and it just wouldn't go down. It was

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Speaker 2: almost like there was a huge lump in my throat. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I was doing this lady's here, and I remember Josh,

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Speaker 2: my oldest boy, one of his friends Nana, coming in

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Speaker 2: and said, oh, how are you, Rachel, And I said

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Speaker 2: My words to her was I'm trying to get rid

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Speaker 2: of Real Molt and you know, you might remember the

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Speaker 2: Real Moat story in the UK. And with that then

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Speaker 2: I was giving this lady a change. And all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, the shop sort of went quite dark, as

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Speaker 2: if there was some sort of lorry or something block

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Speaker 2: in the sunlight. And as I looked at the door,

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Speaker 2: which was on like a corner, I could see Darren

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Speaker 2: behind this door now, And as I'm looking at him,

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Speaker 2: he's pushing the door open and I can see his

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Speaker 2: hand reaching into this bagg he ad in front of him.

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Speaker 2: And as I as he's doing this, I can see

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Speaker 2: it's a gun, and he's pulling out a sawn off shotgun.

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Speaker 2: Don't ask me why, I really don't know. I ran

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Speaker 2: towards him and I started trying to fight with him

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Speaker 2: least I thought, you know, if you're gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: die trying. So I'm fighting with him for this gun.

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Speaker 2: And then I can remember being smashed on the head

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Speaker 2: with the better the gun and then falling on the floor.

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Speaker 4: And bearing in mind, this was a Friday.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, twenty past two in the afternoon, a busy friday

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Speaker 2: in a salon. There was a couple of old people

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Speaker 2: under the dryer. There was people sat at stations having

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Speaker 2: their head and you know, it's not like anyone.

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Speaker 3: Did anyone to try and help you, No, would.

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Speaker 1: You have kneel, fair play to you. But yeah, there

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Speaker 1: was nobody coming in last shop that day, right, So

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Speaker 1: I can remember then being on the floor because he

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Speaker 1: took me with the better the gun and I'd fallen

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Speaker 1: on the floor. And then I can remember pulling the

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Speaker 1: reception desk had gone over near me, and I pulled

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Speaker 1: that over me, which he booted away. There was an

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Speaker 1: old lady on the floor, Connie, who was in her nineties,

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Speaker 1: and you know, they don't they don't make him like

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Speaker 1: they used to. And she's shouting at him.

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Speaker 4: Go on, get out here, get out here. She was shouting,

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Speaker 4: and she was like a war baby. You know.

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Speaker 2: She was in the landown you and all that, you know,

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Speaker 2: and she was shouting at Darren. And then I can

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Speaker 2: remember looking down and seeing the phone off the receiver

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Speaker 2: and I grabbed grabbed the phone, and I felt as

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Speaker 2: weak as a kitten, and I remember trying to push

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Speaker 2: the buttons down nine ninety nine and then the next thing.

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Speaker 2: Then he was literally stood about four foot away from me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. I pulled my knees up under

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Speaker 2: do that. So I was almost in a feetal position,

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Speaker 2: and I said, for fuck's sake, think of Jack, thinking

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Speaker 4: What he's doing.

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Speaker 2: And he literally pointed which would have been my chest

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Speaker 2: if my legs weren't pulled up, and told me he

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Speaker 2: left me and pulled the fist shot. Then I remember

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Speaker 2: it was almost like because people say, you know, what

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Speaker 2: did it feel like being shot? And I said, it

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Speaker 2: was a huge impact. Like the third there was no

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Speaker 2: pain and I remember no pain, no pain whatsoever. And

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Speaker 2: I can remember thinking, fuck he shot me. And I

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Speaker 2: remember like the gunpowder and almost like a smoky sort

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Speaker 2: of bit from the gun and really smelling gunpowder, and

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Speaker 2: then looking at my jeans and there was a huge

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Speaker 2: like like a bright orange sort of liquid that came

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Speaker 2: out and not blood.

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Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, fuck, he shot me. Shot me.

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Speaker 2: And then the next thing then there was a blast

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Speaker 2: realize he had gone off. It just went off on

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Speaker 2: his own, but that missed my head. Then the next thing.

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Speaker 2: Then I remember being on the floor and looking to

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Speaker 2: the left of me and seeing this gun on the floor,

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Speaker 2: which is probably about that long, silver with ornate engraving

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Speaker 2: on it, and I remember grabbing the gun. There must

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Speaker 2: have been a battle for the gun because I had

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Speaker 2: a watch on and if you google the watch, it

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Speaker 2: actually comes up and in every direction of the watch

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Speaker 2: face that is scratched it's almost frosted and it is

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Speaker 2: stopped at twenty past two, so that is when the

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Speaker 2: battle commenced, you know. And so I grabbed I was

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Speaker 2: grabbing this gun and he was trying to get the

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Speaker 2: gun off me. Then the next thing, then he booted

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Speaker 2: me under the chin. And then I can remember him

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Speaker 2: absolutely pameline me with punches, kicks, stamps, everything. Then the

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Speaker 2: next thing, then he was gone. He was just gone

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Speaker 3: What I don't get is the fact that he's come in. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he's come to kill you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But knowing that what I don't get, Like he's coming

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Speaker 3: to kill you. But then has he panicked or did

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Speaker 3: he did he not want to kill you?

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Speaker 4: To beat you up?

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Speaker 3: How he did and then run off? But no one's

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Speaker 3: actually trying to stop him anyway? Has he done what

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Speaker 3: he knew? Nobody does with you? And gone? This I've

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Speaker 3: done wrong. I need to get away and cry again.

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Speaker 2: And I can tell you exactly what he'd have thought, right,

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Speaker 2: because Darren was very methodical, right, so he would have

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Speaker 2: planned and if I look back now, I should have known.

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Speaker 3: Really did you know he had a gun?

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Speaker 2: Oh? He had a two two pistol and he didn't

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Speaker 2: have a firearms license, so we had an illegal gun

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Speaker 2: years ago and an arsenal weapons that went to prison

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Speaker 2: for it. You know, you google Darren Williams arsenal weapons

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Speaker 2: and it comes up. So he'd already been done for

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Speaker 2: a firearm. So all these services had dealt with us.

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Speaker 2: Knew what a job he was. Okay, but this was

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Speaker 2: given to him. We still haven't sourced it yet, but

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Speaker 2: it wasn't his gun, so for me, I know Darren's thinking,

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Speaker 2: so he would have planned this, which he did.

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Speaker 4: The day before.

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Speaker 2: The dogs were still at the house and his friend

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Speaker 2: come and took the dogs and said, Darren's giving me

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Speaker 2: Then he said can I have his winch Off the

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Speaker 2: land Rover which was in the shed, So I gave

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Speaker 2: him that. So basically Darren's tying up or loose nds.

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Speaker 2: I later found out that he phoned a previous partner

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Speaker 2: and apologized for the way he treated her because, like

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Speaker 2: I said, he was a serial perpetrator.

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Speaker 4: He had an injunction on him years.

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Speaker 2: Ago after assaulting this person, and he apologized to her

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Speaker 2: for the way he treated her. So he was sort

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Speaker 2: of tying up loose ends, and Darren had been to

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Speaker 2: prison years ago for the firearms. Darren didn't like prison.

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Speaker 2: He hated prison, Okay, So Darren's thinking would have been,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to prison for what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 2: So he would have said to himself, I have got

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Speaker 2: a time limit to go in killer, leave the scene

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Speaker 2: before I'm caught, to go and take my own life.

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Speaker 2: And I know that a friend of mine, and it's

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Speaker 2: only after the sea, after the events, that you find

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Speaker 2: little things out that my friend who works in the

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Speaker 2: National Statistics Office in Wales, and she said one of

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Speaker 2: her friends used to walk her dog every day along

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Speaker 2: the canal and she had found in a bush where

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Speaker 2: the dog was a load of discarded blue rope, and

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Speaker 2: it was not far from where Darren had set up

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Speaker 2: his place to hang from the tree. So that would

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Speaker 2: have been set up days prior to that, because there's

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Speaker 2: no way Darren would have gone to prison. And I

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Speaker 2: absolutely strongly believed that they would have been planned b

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Speaker 2: somewhere else. Had plan A failed for him to take

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Speaker 2: his own life. So he either come in that shop

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Speaker 2: thinking right, I've got two minutes before the police a

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Speaker 2: year or four minutes, so I've got to be in

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Speaker 2: and out. And I think because I ran towards him,

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Speaker 2: which is something he probably wasn't expecting because most people

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Speaker 2: do run away or freeze. And because I ran towards him,

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Speaker 2: I that put him on the back foot.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm,