WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 19 December

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<v Speaker 1>Lately.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Late Debates.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the not so Late Debate.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Liz Stor and joining me this evening is mister

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Hildebrand and Gabriella Power.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know you're in for a corker of a show.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on, we'll discuss a group of Virginian teachers who

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<v Speaker 3>have banded together to take their school to court for

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<v Speaker 3>mandating using students preferred pronouns. Keir Starmer's government is again

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<v Speaker 3>under fire for mauling the Equality Act, desegrating women's rights

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<v Speaker 3>once again, and Reagan has launched another legal action. Seems

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<v Speaker 3>like this woman can't even take a joke. But first tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>with just thirty two days before Trump takes the White House,

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats are desperate to pass the hugest Omnimus Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>You will not believe what is in these pages. But

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<v Speaker 3>remember back in September when Speaker of the House Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Johnson promised everyone this wasn't going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But overall with the cr as our leader just noted,

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<v Speaker 2>we have we have broken the Christmas omni and I

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<v Speaker 2>have no intention of going back to that terrible tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>So there won't be a Christmas omnibus. If somebody asked

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<v Speaker 2>me in the hallway a little while ago, will there

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<v Speaker 2>be mini buses? We don't want any buses. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to do any buses, okay, And we got to

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<v Speaker 2>get through this so everybody understands the necessity.

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<v Speaker 5>It is not palatable.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the sausage making part of legislation that nobody likes.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're governing and we'll pick it up in January

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<v Speaker 2>and start a brand new day for America.

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<v Speaker 3>What a difference two months can make. That man can

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<v Speaker 3>only afford to lose one vote otherwise lose the race

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<v Speaker 3>for Speaker on January third, So he's all but a gana.

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<v Speaker 3>But to give you an illustration of just how huge

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<v Speaker 3>this omnibus bill.

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<v Speaker 4>Is, he has Republican rip Nancy Mace.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So we printed off the CR that dropped last night,

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<v Speaker 6>and the last.

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<v Speaker 4>CR that Congress did, and what didn't you do?

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<v Speaker 6>The CR that was done in September went.

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<v Speaker 4>From September twenty sixth to December twentieth eighty four, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 4>eighty five days for this CR.

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<v Speaker 5>It's twenty one pages.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we have the next r that we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>be voting on on the next day or two.

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<v Speaker 7>It is fifteen hundred and forty seven pages.

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<v Speaker 3>Who has time to read something that huge.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, one guy did.

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<v Speaker 3>His name's vivik Ramaswami, and as you know, he's someone

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<v Speaker 3>that Trump has appointed to the Department of Government Efficiency.

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<v Speaker 3>Here he is telling us a little bit about what's

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<v Speaker 3>in this thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Versus is about to pass a bill that blows away

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<v Speaker 7>your tax pay money.

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<v Speaker 1>But they made it over.

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<v Speaker 7>Fifteen hundred pages long so you wouldn't read it. It

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<v Speaker 7>contains pay raises for members of Congress and I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>making this up an expansion of their federal health benefits.

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<v Speaker 7>It contains all kinds of special interests and pork funding,

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<v Speaker 7>including opening up a new stadium in Washington, DC. It

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<v Speaker 7>renews the Global Engagement Center, which is a keynode of

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<v Speaker 7>the censorship industrial complex. And the worst part is they

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<v Speaker 7>didn't want you to know about any of it.

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<v Speaker 3>This bill also blocks subpoenas of House data, which would

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<v Speaker 3>make it impossible for Trump's doj to investigate Congress, namely

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<v Speaker 3>the Gen six Committee. That would be impossible should this

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<v Speaker 3>bill pass. It also funds twelve bio weapon labs.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do we need those? Would love an explanation there.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was all going quite swimmingly until one Elon

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<v Speaker 3>mass took to Twitter with his over two hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>seven million followers to alert the American public as to

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on. He tweeted, any member of the

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<v Speaker 3>House or Senate who votes for this outrageous spending bill

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<v Speaker 3>deserves to be voted out in two years. Well, here's

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<v Speaker 3>Fox News reporting on the resulting pandemonium.

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<v Speaker 8>Here's what happened. A post on x by Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 8>sent shockwaves through the Capitol House. Republicans were trying to

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<v Speaker 8>see if they have enough votes to pass the spending

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<v Speaker 8>bill in the next hour or two. Musk posted that

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<v Speaker 8>anyone who votes hes should lose their office in two years.

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<v Speaker 8>And lawmakers are scrambling tweets from Moscow.

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<v Speaker 1>And has that complicated this?

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<v Speaker 7>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that there's always a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>interest in what's happening up here, and this is more

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<v Speaker 1>than interest.

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<v Speaker 8>They're telling people they vote, yes, they should be voted out.

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<v Speaker 4>The social media world is a part of our politics.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the social media We the ears party of politics. Now, Gabby,

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<v Speaker 3>this is such an incredible feed. It really shows how

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<v Speaker 3>much X is such a flex now everyday people. Elon's

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<v Speaker 3>not an everyday person, but there was plenty of those

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<v Speaker 3>also jumping online alerting the American public. Get on the line,

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<v Speaker 3>call your member of parliament because this bill cannot pass.

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<v Speaker 4>Just tell them you won't vote for them if they

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<v Speaker 4>support it.

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<v Speaker 9>It's amazing. It doesn't just show the power of Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 9>It shows the people in America and how engaged they are.

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<v Speaker 9>And we really saw that in that election campaign. So

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<v Speaker 9>many people were getting information on sources like X because

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<v Speaker 9>they weren't getting it from the mainstream media, and people

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<v Speaker 9>like Elon Musk and other digital creators like Dannie Johnston

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<v Speaker 9>and Charlie Kirk were really engaging with American voters, and

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<v Speaker 9>people were turning out to vote for the first time

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<v Speaker 9>and throwing their support behind Donald Trump because that's who.

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<v Speaker 5>They wanted in.

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<v Speaker 9>But it's interesting people aren't just sitting back and waiting

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<v Speaker 9>for January twenty when we do finally get Trump back

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<v Speaker 9>in there, now calling up their representatives as Nacy Mace

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<v Speaker 9>was encouraging them to do, and actually now having to

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<v Speaker 9>say and how this is playing out. I think it's

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<v Speaker 9>it's actually pretty amazing. And then but when you look

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<v Speaker 9>at the spending that and the debt that America is in,

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<v Speaker 9>it just highlights the need for those this government efficiency

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<v Speaker 9>that pivic Ramislami and Musk will be leading.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've got a cost of housing crisis over in

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<v Speaker 3>America as well. And they're like, you want twelve bio labs,

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<v Speaker 3>you want forty pay rises for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to make COVID somewhere. You know, you can't just

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<v Speaker 1>do it in your back yard.

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<v Speaker 5>The violer, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Look, I think I'm not sure how comfortable I

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<v Speaker 1>am with Elon Musk just single handedly deciding.

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<v Speaker 4>On making people aware.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye's crazy true, and it is. It is a long

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<v Speaker 1>time on American anided Australian tradition where if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of stuff, or even just one little

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you know is going to be absolutely horrendously unpopular,

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<v Speaker 1>we whack it. You attach it to a giant omnibus

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<v Speaker 1>pillar and an a giant omnimus bill, or sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>can just attach it to a bill that's really really popular.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like this is the free Kittens for All bill,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you just attach the sort of pay rise

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<v Speaker 1>for parliamentarians on the bottom of it, and then of

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<v Speaker 1>course you try to shove it through when everyone's looking

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<v Speaker 1>to break for the holidays, everyone's looking to go home

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas, and you basically say, dude, don't you And

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<v Speaker 1>this is what Anthony Alberanzi, of course, very successfully did

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<v Speaker 1>in the last week of parliament. So Anthony Alberzi has

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<v Speaker 1>managed to do what Joe Biden and the two US

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<v Speaker 1>Houses of Congress have not been able to do and

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<v Speaker 1>get all the including the course of social media bills,

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<v Speaker 1>which very much upset Elon Musk, which may have been

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<v Speaker 1>why he was a bit salty and posted that tweet

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>He has rightly said that this bill is a crime.

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<v Speaker 3>He had many successive tweets after that first one alerting

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<v Speaker 3>to the public what was actually going on in their

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<v Speaker 3>House of Parliament. He kept saying, now now I've learned this,

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<v Speaker 3>Now I've learned.

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<v Speaker 4>That they're also pushing such and such.

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<v Speaker 3>This bill is a crime. It cannot be allowed to continue.

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<v Speaker 3>But you make a really good point there, Joe, because

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly what they've done. Because also in this omnibus

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<v Speaker 3>bill is one hundred billion dollars for disaster relief, and

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<v Speaker 3>we know that the communities that were affected by the hurry.

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<v Speaker 1>To donate it to the Democrats presidential campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so they've really put.

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<v Speaker 3>Members who represent those states between.

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<v Speaker 4>A rock and a hard place.

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<v Speaker 3>As is explained by Republican rep Anna paul Lina Luna, Sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have that grab for you. She's basically saying, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing is a sh I direct quote sandwich, because this

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<v Speaker 3>is what they've done.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm doing. That's right. So you don't give us.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't give us the pay rise, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get your disaster relief funding. And that is the whole

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of having an no be bill.

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<v Speaker 4>That you know, absolutely diabolic.

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<v Speaker 1>It is dastardly, It is diaboltic, but diabolical, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is just it is politics. But again, I guess Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and Alon are going to drain the swamp and the.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely big plug. Trump and JD.

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<v Speaker 3>Vans have put out a statement saying Republicans do not

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<v Speaker 3>let this pass.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's that Anna Paulina grab for you. The fact is

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<v Speaker 4>is that, look, this is a sandwich.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know how to say that we're being forced

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<v Speaker 8>into this position.

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<v Speaker 4>They could have done a standalone.

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<v Speaker 6>They did this because they knew that it would put

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<v Speaker 6>members in this position to support it.

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<v Speaker 5>We're damned if we do. We're damned if we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>But of course the Democrats are all for it. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat Dick Durbin told about the forty pay rise. He

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<v Speaker 3>initially pretends he didn't even know about this bit, and

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<v Speaker 3>then goes on to have a spat with the reporter

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Members are giving themselves a pay raise? Do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>deserve a pay raise?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, that's news to me, it's good news. You know what,

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<v Speaker 10>has it been ten years or fourteen years? No call?

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<v Speaker 7>People look at the performance of kind and saying why

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<v Speaker 7>should we give them more money?

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<v Speaker 10>What about the media, Think about that for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not paid by public money.

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<v Speaker 10>I know you're not, but I mean half of your listeners,

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<v Speaker 10>who are there anymore? You're still getting the same paycheck.

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<v Speaker 10>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>If in doubt just starts sledging.

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<v Speaker 3>The reporter, I mean talk about biting the hand that

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<v Speaker 3>leads you, Gabby, Well, he.

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<v Speaker 5>Does have a bit of a point with it.

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<v Speaker 9>If he's covering talking to a CNN reporter, You mean

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<v Speaker 9>you look at the coverage, there's election campaign. It seems

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<v Speaker 9>pretty one sided. And you know, of course, don't look

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<v Speaker 9>at me, to look at you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's say that said the reporter. No problem.

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<v Speaker 3>And the drone pandemonium in America has continued, but finally

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<v Speaker 3>we have a word on it from the President of

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<v Speaker 3>the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing the furious apparently, but the checking it all out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of drones.

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<v Speaker 5>Authorized to pop down. I think you won't they all guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's wanting to get in a deal.

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<v Speaker 9>But we'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote, after about a week of pandemonium, that was very compelling,

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<v Speaker 3>rich and I'm sure everyone is one hundred reassured.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, mister President.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a grateful nation can sleep easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely, after seeing that grabs so reassured.

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<v Speaker 9>It doesn't help Americans in any way. What American is

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<v Speaker 9>watching that feeling reassured? And you know, and no one

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<v Speaker 9>is better off with Biden leading at the moment. We've

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<v Speaker 9>we've learnt that over the last four years he hasn't

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<v Speaker 9>really been there. It's been his staff around him that

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<v Speaker 9>have been making the decisions. But you know, at least

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<v Speaker 9>when we heard from Donald Trump, at least he was

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<v Speaker 9>confirming that the military knew where these drones were being

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<v Speaker 9>launched from. Biden just said, oh, apparently there's nothing nefarious.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just I can't even speaking. It's just litly.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you what it is or what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can assure you it's completely safe.

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<v Speaker 4>It's nothing to be worried about.

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<v Speaker 1>Once so because Biden and the US governmental apparatus at

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<v Speaker 1>large has been so utterly hopeless at discovering what is

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<v Speaker 1>actually going on, Liz, and also they claim I have

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<v Speaker 1>taken matters into my own hands and thought, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if no one else is doing their job, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to roll up my slaves, I'll do it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And on my Groundbreak, my groundbreaking podcast, The Real Story

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<v Speaker 1>with Joe Hildebrand, I thought, I'll get the real story

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<v Speaker 1>on the drones, and I got an aviation expert who

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<v Speaker 1>some of your viewers might know, Captain Byron Bailey. He

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes comes on the show. He was very active in

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pinpoint the location of m H three seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got some He sort of analyzed all the data

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff and he wrote a book on it with

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<v Speaker 1>the late great Ian Higgins of the Australian but he

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<v Speaker 1>came on and he has a lot of high level

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<v Speaker 1>contact sources in the US military and the US Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force in particular, in one particular, a retired lieutenant colonel

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<v Speaker 1>of the Air Force. He spoke to over night, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently what the military are all saying, Spill is that

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<v Speaker 1>and this is amazing. Is the first time I've actually

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<v Speaker 1>heard this, and it's perfectly plausible, perfectly rational. It explains everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is that a while ago, a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we said that the late nineties or whenever

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<v Speaker 1>it was, but a few years ago, NASA basically funded

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<v Speaker 1>all these private companies, for the most part to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with drone technology to see which would be the

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<v Speaker 1>bear and this is the sort of thing it does

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, which would be the best to meet

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<v Speaker 1>America's civil and possibly also military, but largely civil needs.

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<v Speaker 1>NASA is obviously a civilian organization because of course they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to need huge amounts of these drones for what

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be the industries of the future. So

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<v Speaker 1>we already know, you know, your Amazon deliveries are all

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<v Speaker 1>going to come by drones soon, Your Uber eats will

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<v Speaker 1>all come by drone soon, and so warfare will be

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<v Speaker 1>warfare pretty much already one hundred percent drives. But and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and back to the future, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be flying around and we're going to have driverless cars

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<v Speaker 1>and will soon have flying taxis as well, and driverless

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<v Speaker 1>flying taxis like the Jetsons Star Wars. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>they need to do is actually test all this new technology,

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<v Speaker 1>test all these sort of prototypes and see if it works.

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<v Speaker 1>And they actually set up they have set up sort

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<v Speaker 1>of designated air traffic corridors highways if you like, in

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<v Speaker 1>the northeast of America, which is the most populous part.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're in New York's, New Jerseys, your Virginia, Virginia.

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<v Speaker 4>They've all sights.

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<v Speaker 1>Well apparently between New Jersey and Virginia that is one

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<v Speaker 1>of that that is one of the highways and is

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<v Speaker 1>below one thousand feet, which is the lowest that any

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<v Speaker 1>light aircraft can go. So no light aircraft can go

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<v Speaker 1>below that one thousand feet, and the drones operate there

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<v Speaker 1>where there's not meant to be anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>But if.

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<v Speaker 3>Simply these guys establishing this corridor, getting their drones in

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<v Speaker 3>the air testing things, why wouldn't the government just say.

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<v Speaker 1>That because the government doesn't want Russia or China to

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they know all about it now we are

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<v Speaker 3>in a discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want them to know because this is such sense.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've just told Russia and China good ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it is so cutting edge, they'll just see that

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<v Speaker 1>and think it's Iranian aliens or whatever. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>so cutting edge technology, it is so sensitive, and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>industrial espionage is a huge thing. We know that China

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<v Speaker 1>crawls all over whatever technological secrets they can get their

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<v Speaker 1>hands on, and this of course explains why, as many

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<v Speaker 1>experts have said, every single one of these drones have

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<v Speaker 1>been cited has official FAA regulated flying lights on the

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<v Speaker 1>red light on one side and the little flashing one

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<v Speaker 1>as well, so they're all aboid by US Federal Aviation

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<v Speaker 1>Authority rules, which of course, if there were any foreign force,

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<v Speaker 1>be it from another country or another planet, they would

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<v Speaker 1>not be doing. So this is the only theory that

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<v Speaker 1>to me makes perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 4>And we'll make sure that in.

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<v Speaker 9>New Jersey is listening to your podcast, and many people

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<v Speaker 9>are quite concerned.

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<v Speaker 5>Were hardly going.

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<v Speaker 1>The real sports solved the problem?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that could very much be true because it

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<v Speaker 3>also works in with the theory circulating that this has

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<v Speaker 3>got a lot to do with the fact that the

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<v Speaker 3>FAA's Reauthorization Act back in twenty eighteen is due to

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<v Speaker 3>expire in December twentieth, and so the next administration will

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<v Speaker 3>be looking to make a different bill furthering those powers,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone's like, oh, it's going to be another grab

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<v Speaker 3>for our freedoms.

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<v Speaker 4>Only time will tell.

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<v Speaker 3>But we all know that America has struggled for a

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<v Speaker 3>very long time within ob city pandemic. It is well

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<v Speaker 3>known throughout the Western world that they are the leaders,

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<v Speaker 3>although Australia is embarrassingly playing catch up. According to CDC data,

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<v Speaker 3>more than one in five Americans are obese. According to

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<v Speaker 3>the same data in twenty three states, it's more like

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<v Speaker 3>one in three RB. So what does the San Francisco

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<v Speaker 3>Health Department decide to do? Hire a fat positivity expert

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<v Speaker 3>to consult on weight stigma and neutrality. Her name is

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<v Speaker 3>Virgie Tovar, and here she is weighing in on what health.

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<v Speaker 4>Means to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you see the intersection?

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<v Speaker 4>Really, what is your definition of health?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's really complicated. I think I want to sort

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<v Speaker 6>of I want to talk about that question, but I

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<v Speaker 6>want to start by saying that, you know, no one

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<v Speaker 6>has to be healthy, you know, right, Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's like no, like, there is no government body that's

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<v Speaker 6>like out there putting you know what I mean, No

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<v Speaker 6>one owes anybody that in either the traditional sense of

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<v Speaker 6>the word or any other more innovative or you know,

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<v Speaker 6>more politicized maybe even version of that word. So I

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<v Speaker 6>think it's important to say like, and I want to

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<v Speaker 6>back up and bring an intersectionality and say like, great, like,

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<v Speaker 6>look at the disabled community, right, like, I think people

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<v Speaker 6>with disabilities have an activist within that space have consistently

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<v Speaker 6>been saying like, I'm never going to be your notion

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<v Speaker 6>of healthy.

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<v Speaker 5>That doesn't mean I don't get to be a full human.

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<v Speaker 6>You get to treat me some kind of way, right,

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<v Speaker 6>And so I think that I love taking that principle

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<v Speaker 6>within disability rights to fat activism and to understanding of fatness.

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<v Speaker 3>Except that being fat is not a disability. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure the people living with a disability would be the

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<v Speaker 3>first to say so, how jolly insulting.

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<v Speaker 4>This woman has.

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<v Speaker 3>Authored a book called You Have the Right.

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<v Speaker 4>To Remain Fat.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, why does San Francisco Health Department get off

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<v Speaker 3>gabby when this is the second biggest killer, second only

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<v Speaker 3>just smoking in the United States.

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<v Speaker 9>No longer needs encouragement to eat junk food or get

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<v Speaker 9>fat because everyone loves it. Like if I'm doing a

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<v Speaker 9>trip to America, I'm going to shake shack. I'm going

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<v Speaker 9>to all the places.

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<v Speaker 5>And living it up.

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<v Speaker 9>But the thing is, we could laugh about it, but

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<v Speaker 9>it's a serious health problem in America. Seventy million Americans

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<v Speaker 9>are OBEs. And then you know, the life expectancy over

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<v Speaker 9>in the US is nowhere near commit to other developed nations,

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<v Speaker 9>and it's a huge concern. Of course, if you're going

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<v Speaker 9>to the doctor and the doctor's saying this is actually

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<v Speaker 9>a huge problem. Now you're now at risk of having

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<v Speaker 9>a heart attack, you're at risk.

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<v Speaker 4>Of cardio vascular disease, any number of.

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<v Speaker 9>Liver disease, and risk of types of cancers developing. But

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<v Speaker 9>then you've got this person that sand Franz hired saying,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, ignore the medical advice, We've got to stay fat.

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<v Speaker 9>It's absolutely ridiculous. I think san Franz got enough problems

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<v Speaker 9>as it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I could really be focusing on the on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Issue I don't think there's a huge obesity problem among

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco's homelessness epidemic, for example, struggling. But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>such a San Francisco story, isn't it. It's just absolutely amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Negligent though, don't you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the problem is. I think that it

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<v Speaker 1>confuses two things.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the last person to ever want a fat shame anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got plenty of vices. I'm just lucky that wait

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<v Speaker 1>as is something I've never had to struggle with. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've got it. This is true.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe lives on AFC and Hungry Jacks. I kid you,

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<v Speaker 3>not every single night two piece Fox Tonight metabolically blessed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I can't help it. I've got a very

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<v Speaker 1>fast metabolism and it just raised through it. But I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm addicted to a whole bunch of other stuff, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much everything else except food.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been Would you be encouraging people who are clinically

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<v Speaker 3>or lot of me to stay that way?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's great, That's exact point I was going. Mate.

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<v Speaker 1>So I used to smoke right before I managed to

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<v Speaker 1>quit by vaping. But you know, and I'd smoke and

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<v Speaker 1>I hated people who are shamed smokers, and I found

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<v Speaker 1>it really annoying that, you know, we've got completely sort

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<v Speaker 1>of marginalized and soon could that help you quit? Though

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<v Speaker 1>exactly think I think it did it, but also shame.

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<v Speaker 1>But also the main thing that made me quit is

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<v Speaker 1>because I became a father and I realized that I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to die much sooner than I actually needed to,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wouldn't be able to run around after my

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<v Speaker 1>kids without getting out of breath and sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I and I, you know, even then it was

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<v Speaker 1>really really hard, and it was only through vaping that

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<v Speaker 1>I could. But the point being is it's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>to say, you know, we all have our vices and

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't shame other people and you know, forced to live.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very different thing to say, oh, no, smoking

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<v Speaker 1>is great. I should be proud to be a smoker.

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<v Speaker 1>I should be proud to be killing myself a decade

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<v Speaker 1>earlier than I need to be so my kids wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a father when they were.

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<v Speaker 9>Campaign and taxpayers have to pay for this, So someone

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<v Speaker 9>gets a job encouraging people.

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<v Speaker 3>To the taxpayer who picks up the disease burden. The

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<v Speaker 3>price tag on the disease burden that OBEs people do

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<v Speaker 3>put on the rest of the taxpayers in whatever country

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<v Speaker 3>they're living. Into the UK now where Labour's London Led

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<v Speaker 3>Council has come under fire for advertising in several languages

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<v Speaker 3>to any migrants.

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<v Speaker 4>Who might be out there in search of social housing.

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<v Speaker 3>Their video was playing in Arabic, French, Spanish, ben Gali,

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<v Speaker 3>with Westminster residents saying, hang on a minute, we're priced

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<v Speaker 3>out of our own city.

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<v Speaker 4>Here do us a favor.

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<v Speaker 3>And here you are supposedly advertising heavily subsidized housing to migrants.

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<v Speaker 3>We can barely afford tolive here ourselves, and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys give them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a thirty one thousand pounds subsidy every year to

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<v Speaker 3>live where we live, but at a fraction of the cost.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're advertising to people who supposedly haven't even gone

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<v Speaker 3>to the effort of learning English. Gabby, you can imagine

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<v Speaker 3>how angry the residents of we Sminster are infuriating.

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<v Speaker 9>It's so infuriating, you know people over you know, right

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<v Speaker 9>around the world, but particularly in places like England and

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<v Speaker 9>in London where working middle class are paying, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, living paycheck to paycheck.

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<v Speaker 9>They're trying so hard to save up for a house

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<v Speaker 9>and they can't because it rents through the roof, and

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<v Speaker 9>then they're paying for social housing, and the priority seems

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<v Speaker 9>to go to migrants that can't even speak English. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>I think there needs to be some incentive for them

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<v Speaker 9>to be able to learn English, for them to.

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<v Speaker 5>Be able to contribute to society.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, and I do have sympathy with people who are

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<v Speaker 9>in vulnerable situations, but this is the priority should be

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<v Speaker 9>for the.

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<v Speaker 5>People of England.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, I think seeing that it's hard and

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<v Speaker 9>as you say, Joe, the fact that French.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I was going to say, I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>go into bat for this scheme, say, I didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>any problem with soever. You need to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with people in a way they can understand, and

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<v Speaker 1>if that means using their native language. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>saw they're using French, they're doing it for the French.

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<v Speaker 1>The French don't really the French. The French had their

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<v Speaker 1>own empire and they pissed it away because they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>sail boats properly. And as for your revolution, liberty, equality, fraternity,

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 1>tell that to the Haitians. The French revolutionary government tried

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<v Speaker 1>to re enslave the Haitians after they'd fought for their freedom,

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>so that Napoleon could use all the sugar as fodder

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<v Speaker 1>for his hopelessly incompetent sailing machines.

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<v Speaker 3>May have you done a podcast on how much you

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<v Speaker 3>hate the French, because I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Series something that infuses mind. Taiwan into China, the Vietnam

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<v Speaker 1>War to anything, French dragged everyone else in it to

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<v Speaker 1>try and clean up their mess. Just hopeless. World War

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<v Speaker 1>two come in, we have it now, regime that degrees

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<v Speaker 1>with everything you say.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, also the French, according to Joe, you can trace

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<v Speaker 3>it back to the French.

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<v Speaker 4>Just jokes, that's not actually true whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>But staying in the u UK, Britain has emerged as

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<v Speaker 3>the western capital of sharia law after it came to

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<v Speaker 3>light that over eighty five sharia law courts are operating

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the UK. I'm sure that this comes as a

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<v Speaker 3>shock to most Brits that there is that many. The

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<v Speaker 3>first one was established back in nineteen eighty two, and gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>haven't they grown to twenty twenty four. This raises a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of questions, Joe, because there's it begs the question obviously, yes,

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 3>plenty of migrants here, same in Australia. But to what

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<v Speaker 3>extent do you allow people who have come to your

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<v Speaker 3>country and should be operating by your laws to set

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<v Speaker 3>up their own quothy law courts and call their own shots. Particularly,

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<v Speaker 3>this raises questions with regards to women's rights in the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>The article goes on to.

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<v Speaker 3>Detail which I particularly found interesting, that if if a

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<v Speaker 3>Muslim man wants to be divorced, he simply needs to

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<v Speaker 3>say divorced three times and he's done, whereas.

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<v Speaker 1>My text message is actually I to just text I

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<v Speaker 1>divorced you three times? Oh God, and that was enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you'd be living on tenterhooks as a Muslim wife.

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, any minute.

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<v Speaker 1>You find obedient and it's all over.

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<v Speaker 3>But of course a woman has to apply to one

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<v Speaker 3>of these Sharia law courts and have it approved. So

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<v Speaker 3>that is just one example of the inequality this puts

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<v Speaker 3>on women, particularly living in a country where they ought

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<v Speaker 3>to have equal rights.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And look, the truth is I do have

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<v Speaker 1>legal rights because the actual law of the land would

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<v Speaker 1>override Trea law wherever there's a clash. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not the parties themselves and women, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>empowered to access those laws or want to, or whether

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<v Speaker 1>they're worried that there would be repercussions if they did that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I don't think it's really a legal

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<v Speaker 1>problem so much as a social problem. And again, I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people hear Sharia law and they

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<v Speaker 1>think it's people being stoned to death for adultery or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, crazy kind of wild punishments. It is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>for things like marriages. And so in that case, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that much different from getting married in a Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>church and obeying the vows that the church puts upon you,

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<v Speaker 1>which are not legally obliged to do, and which.

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<v Speaker 3>But at least would sure and then you are married

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<v Speaker 3>in the eyes of the state. Whereas in this situation,

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<v Speaker 3>apparently over one hundred thousand marriages have occurred in these

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<v Speaker 3>Sharia law courts, Gabby, but England has absolutely no clue.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not official marriages.

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<v Speaker 9>No, it's concerning when you look at what there are

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<v Speaker 9>one hundred thousand Islamic marriages that have been conducted and written,

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<v Speaker 9>many of them not registered. And you know the fact

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<v Speaker 9>that there have been so many of these Sharia law

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<v Speaker 9>courts opening up throughout the UK.

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<v Speaker 5>I think creates a big social problem.

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<v Speaker 9>When you look at Sharia law, there are apparently, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>as you say, big problems for women. There can apparently

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<v Speaker 9>marry as many women as they like, and then you know,

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 9>for women it's a different story.

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<v Speaker 5>And they're apparently also apps that are.

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<v Speaker 9>Being set up that men can use so you can

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<v Speaker 9>to work out their inheritance, so daughters can get fifty

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<v Speaker 9>percent less compared to sons, all these types of things.

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<v Speaker 9>So this is all happening in Britain, but it's not

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<v Speaker 9>under British law. But it creates a social problem because

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<v Speaker 9>this is if this keeps happening, this keeps growing, it's

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<v Speaker 9>going to create a divide in Britain, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the problem is that they're that there, that

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<v Speaker 1>there are these cultures or these social issues which are

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmingly weighted against women. I remember I went to Morocco once,

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<v Speaker 1>which has also has technical bigamy laws as well. You

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<v Speaker 1>can have two wives, but very few people take it up.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the one of the guys I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to there said.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you really want to?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I want to. But I think the problem is

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<v Speaker 1>that that where it exists is not that the tech

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<v Speaker 1>quarly there's this other law there, because that again, that

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<v Speaker 1>law can be completely overridden by the by the actual

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<v Speaker 1>law of the land.

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<v Speaker 3>The question, sure, but we do or not that these

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<v Speaker 3>women are likely to be aware of the law of

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<v Speaker 3>the land, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is whether or not women are But that's right. The

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<v Speaker 1>question is whether or not women are actually being oppressed,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they're being beaten. I mean, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>some weird things in certain Muslim I think that's had.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about, you know, whether you know that you should

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<v Speaker 1>only likely beat your woman with a stick if she's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does stress very lightly, so it's very progressive.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that is more of a problem rather

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<v Speaker 1>than you know, the fact that Sharia law is in

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<v Speaker 1>the land. That is just a sort of cultural thing

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<v Speaker 1>more than it is any anything that provides any legal protection.

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<v Speaker 3>But therein lies the question to what extent do you

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<v Speaker 3>allow a different culture to practice in a country which

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<v Speaker 3>has an entirely different culture to Sydney Now where Termine

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<v Speaker 3>wearing Sikhs, so pushing for religious exemptions to wear a

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<v Speaker 3>helmet if they're on a motorcycle. They say, look, this

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<v Speaker 3>is not just a piece of material. For us, this

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<v Speaker 3>is part of our religion. In order to wear a

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<v Speaker 3>helmet as per the law of the land, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>really do that wearing our turban. Maveleen Deer, who's founder

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<v Speaker 3>of the Singh's Social The Sings, Yes, sorry, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>I'd mispronounced seats. The Sings Social Motorcycle Club Australia in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 3>says it is an infringement on religious rights. The turban

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<v Speaker 3>is not just headwear. It is a religious symbol embodying

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<v Speaker 3>our commitment to truth. The choice we have is to

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<v Speaker 3>either take off our turbans or not right at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just a piece of cloth for us. So

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<v Speaker 3>different example, Gabby, but here we have the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a particular religious group from a particular culture saying,

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<v Speaker 3>hang on a minute, we don't want to abide by

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<v Speaker 3>the laws of the land, even though it's in this

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<v Speaker 3>case of health and safety, because we are from a

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<v Speaker 3>different culture and that means we get to wear our

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<v Speaker 3>turbans at all times.

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<v Speaker 9>Look good luck for them, you know, good luck to them,

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<v Speaker 9>I should say for trying.

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<v Speaker 5>But there's no case here. You make exemption for one.

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<v Speaker 9>If you're going to make exemptions for the next of

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<v Speaker 9>the next And it comes down to safety, as you said,

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<v Speaker 9>And if you actually look at the stats, I think

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<v Speaker 9>injuries and deaths from motorcycle incidents have just gone up.

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<v Speaker 9>They think they're thirty three percent compared to this time

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<v Speaker 9>last year.

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<v Speaker 5>There's there's no case for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Have they gone up among seats? Maybe they're very safe.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think the men's government will bow to this

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<v Speaker 3>commanding this as there.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a thing as long as there was some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of helmet exemption form or whatever. And I'm serious here

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<v Speaker 1>that you would fill in and say I hereby except

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm an increased risk of head injury or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to I'm not going to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>state libel or other people liabel for any head injuries

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<v Speaker 1>I incurve as a result of this. Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 9>Anyone you still apply it to.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone should have the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you want to wear a turban every single

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<v Speaker 1>day of your life, that's absolutely fair.

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 4>But for any other reason, Yeah.

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>But that is a very specific reason that if there's

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<v Speaker 1>someone else who's religion physically prevents them from putting on

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<v Speaker 1>a motorcycle helmet, then yeah, I mean I don't think.

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<v Speaker 9>What about someone who just wants to get out of

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<v Speaker 9>the fine if they're caught, you know, on a motorbike.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not wearing the fine, but that would happen. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know how much I don't know, if you know

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<v Speaker 1>guys know anythings. Do you know how much effort it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to crazy? So you're not allowed to you're not

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you're not allowed to cut your hair. You're allowed to

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>cut any of your hair. It's all sacred, right, And

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>then you have to wrap your hair up, and then

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>you have to wrap it them and I don't know

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>how they do it, but they've got this really particular

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>way of tying it. It takes ages. You have to you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot take it off, you cannot be out and about

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<v Speaker 1>without it. Right, So again, to do the same, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, if someone says if someone's caught, like if

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<v Speaker 1>someone's caught fine for not wearing a helmet and they

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<v Speaker 1>just happened to have a turban to get away from

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the inconvenience of putting on a helmet, that just makes

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<v Speaker 1>no sense whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>But also, how have they been surviving to date? Obviously

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 3>they have been abiding by the law of the land.

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<v Speaker 4>So whatever you've.

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<v Speaker 1>Been doing the helmets, so just be wearing the turbines.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't believe.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why they're applying for the exemption to say,

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<v Speaker 3>can we stop doing this?

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<v Speaker 4>We will let you know what the Men's government decides

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<v Speaker 4>before we go to a break pill testing.

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<v Speaker 3>This time it's in place in New South Wales. How

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 3>many times have we had this debate? Here's Premier Men's

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<v Speaker 3>today with his little bit on why he said this

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 3>is okay. I was a skeptic going into it, but

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 3>ultimately we all need to be led by the evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're now paying health officials to make it safer

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<v Speaker 3>for people to take drugs. Gabby I have always said

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<v Speaker 3>just let it happen. Like if you remove the risk factor,

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<v Speaker 3>the evidence is more people are going to take drugs

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<v Speaker 3>because they lose their inhibition.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>What message does it saying, hey, kids, don't take drugs,

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<v Speaker 9>but if you do, if you go to this festival,

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 9>we just test it, you'll be fine. I think it's

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 9>so irresponsible. I don't agree with it at all. I

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 9>think it sends a wrong message to the next generation

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<v Speaker 9>and also could create a bit of a culture problem.

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<v Speaker 5>Places like Sydney.

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<v Speaker 9>Already has a problem with drugs.

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<v Speaker 5>Party drugs are already a big issue.

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<v Speaker 9>It creates so many problems in families or long term impacts.

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 9>People can get dependent on these drugs that all of

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<v Speaker 9>a sudden going to festivals and then parties and it

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<v Speaker 9>Someone else has made this point today, but it creates

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 9>this false sense of safety and who really benefits what

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 9>drug dealers and criminal gangs are going to make more

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 9>money from.

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<v Speaker 4>This great point.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like this is just the most millennial

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<v Speaker 1>thing ever. It's like, you know, I want to take

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>illegal drugs, but I want the government to make sure

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>that I'm protected when I do so. It's like I

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>used to take hates the drugs when I was a

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>wayard in wild youth, and I knew I took the risks.

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask anyone if it was safe, and half

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the time I did get into all sorts of trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>So but again, I just don't like, if you're going

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:19.479
<v Speaker 1>to be a rebellious youth, surely you don't want big

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>brother to be holding your hand while you do. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't get it, Like it's just so unrock and roll.

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, so.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll just get them I'll give it.

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 1>But it's kind of like it is anxiously you're that

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>anxious about from drugs.

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 9>Talking to their friends saying, oh no, it's actually okay.

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 9>You just get it tested, and then you know if

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 9>someone was never going to take it in the first place,

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 9>and all of a sudden there's more and more.

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 5>Normalizes it.

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's the use of having illicit substances when you

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 3>can take it.

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 4>To the state? All the.

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 5>War on drugs here, honestly.

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Indeed, and it is the taxpayer that ends up picking

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 3>up the tab. If that person it's an addiction, if

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:02.800
<v Speaker 3>they find that they're homeless.

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 4>Down the track, right.

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 9>People start taking these drugs and then people it can

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 9>lead to. It's one bad decision after another bad decision.

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 9>It's a flow on effects. People make big life choices,

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 9>and they may end up in a situation which they

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 9>thought that they would have never.

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 5>Been in it. And it all starts from somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, well, I think most people who are

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>going to take drugs are going to take them anyway.

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't think this'sill Necessarily.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 4>It's not true.

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I think if you're a teenager and you're going to

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 3>say a music festival where these pill testings are concentrated.

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 4>You might be tempted.

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 3>Look, it's a big night, let's just give it a go,

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 3>and hey, it's been tested.

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, I don't think it's I mean,

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>ecstasy is not particularly addictive compared to some of the

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>other really nasty drugs, like your heroin, your crystal meth,

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and indeed the party drug coke, which everyone thinks is

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>fine because there's some suburbsset do it. But but I

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>think it's more likely to be there's more likely to

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>be these weird repercussions that we only see sort of

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>much later on. Firstly, do do drug dealers at festivals

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>end up just frequenting the lines for pills to get tested,

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 1>knowing that there will be a sort of police moratorium

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>on arrests, because obviously police can't arrest people for holding drugs.

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 3>If they won't necessarily be there, the kids will get

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 3>their hands on them. In knowing that the festivals coming up.

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Drug dealers operate at the festivals as everywhere plenty of

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the do, I can assure you, so they would be

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>selling pills, and of course you sell them for much

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>much more, and you've got a much much more captive

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and desperate market because kids are struggling to sort of

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>catch up or they haven't been able to get it,

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>so that can be dangerous. They don't know what they're getting.

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>So do the dealers a operate with impunity in the

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of testing precinct? Do they be test their own

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>pills and say these have been tested and in fact,

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:52.839
<v Speaker 1>perversely enough, use that as a kind of you know,

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.399
<v Speaker 1>means of platform on which to sell drugs and say

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>these have been tested and they're pure, and they're pure

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 1>MDMA whatever. See. Of course, what happens when kids get

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>appeal given back to them and they say, yes it's pure,

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 1>or yes, we don't advise you to take it, of

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>course disclaim and disclaimed disclaimer, but this doesn't have any

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>toxic sizes or whatever. Whatever the kid takes it. Something

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>does go wrong. Is the government, I.

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Cannot believe coming up next, kissed Armer.

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 3>His government's under fire again for mauling their own equality acts.

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:41.279
<v Speaker 3>Will be back, Welcome back, well Reagan, the woman we

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 3>just can't see the back of has now taken a

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 3>second legal action.

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 4>And what does it mean a week?

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you say just can't see the back

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>of you mean, just can't get enough of because this

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 1>chick is going gangbusters. She is just off the reservation.

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.279
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say off meds, but she might

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 1>actually have. I mean, honestly, I've said it before.

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 4>Careful Jo proving very litigious.

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 1>You want to mind all I wanted. All I want

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>you to know, Rachel, is that I am concerned for you.

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I have your well being very very close to my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>So Raygan, Rachel Gunn has demanded ten thousand dollars from

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>this comedy club that was going to put on this tiny, little,

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 1>low key musical about her, so low key that the

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>total in ticket sales that these guys had actually managed

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 1>from a show that never went ahead, a total for

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>all their ticket sales combined was five hundred dollars. So

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>tiny little independent comedy club in Darlinghurst. And I tell

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>you why I lived in Darlinghurst for years. Rent is

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 1>not cheap, right, And she has sent using a law

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>firm from Glebe as well, So it's very much your

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>tale of Inner Sydney, aust that's right, tale of innsed

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 1>versus in a West. But anyway, so she has sent

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 1>a demand's letter to the club's owner for a show

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:11.320
<v Speaker 1>that did not take place and which had only made

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:15.319
<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars at the box office. And the client says,

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>you will. The lawyers say, in respective, Raygun, you will

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>reimburse our client with legal costs to date, which we

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 1>estimate to be ten thousand dollars. What, firstly, how much

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>is this guy charging to send a letter that is

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 1>not I know how much a legal letter cost and

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>it ain't ten thousand dollars. And the club completely followed

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>as well, and the cops that we will actually give

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 1>you the five hundred dollars.

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 4>What's the actual case?

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.359
<v Speaker 3>This guy was just going to have a comedy show

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 3>that involves the fact that this woman can't break dance.

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>That's right, and it it just doesn't seem to make

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>any sense. They keep saying. She's saying, oh, it's not

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the kangaroo. It's not because it's an indigenous kangaroo, or

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not really to any indigenous camp. But she knows

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that indigenous people have been upset by that, and saying,

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>how do you appropriate the kangaroo when we've got our

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>own kangaroo downs, So she says she's very sorry about that.

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 1>And then she's saying, oh, it's not because it's an

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>infringement on copyright. So then what actual So what.

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 5>Is it, you know, electual property?

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:24.319
<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't when they actually try to, when they

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>try to sort of say that Sara intellctual property, it

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 1>makes no sense. And there is actually no legal grounds

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>as far as I'm aware, for actually doing.

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 3>That, because the lawyer clearly disagrees.

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>The lawyer's just the lawyers making it up. This is

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>the thing. They're just bullying this tiny little club like

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you can you can take the piece out of a

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>public figure you do not have. Someone can pretend to

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>be Joe Hildebrand or whatever, and I can't say, hey,

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>you're taking my intellectual property because that's my name and

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>so and that's.

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 9>So Australia because yep, sorry, no, it's so Australian to

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 9>take the pierce or what we do. Absolutely, and she

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 9>the you need to lean into this, have some fun

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 9>with it, and said she sends this comedy club a

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 9>legal letter for ten grand I think anyone that had

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 9>any support for Reagun has completely again.

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I've seen him a very different inside of her funny

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:14.479
<v Speaker 3>lady at the Olympics and.

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Now it's like always thought there was subjects.

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, give us a break.

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Theorst part about this is this poor comedy guy is

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 3>now going to be buried in legal fees himself. Because

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 3>you can't write your own letter and response to something

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 3>like that, you need legal help as well. And so

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 3>the sad saga unfolds to Virginia now where a bend

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>of teachers who had been mandated by their school you

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 3>must use any student's preferred pronouns has taken the case

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 3>to court.

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 4>And one good on you guys. More teachers need to

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:50.719
<v Speaker 4>be doing this kind of thing.

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 3>They're in Harrisburg City Public schools and they just said

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 3>to themselves, look, we're not taking this. I love that

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.240
<v Speaker 3>they actually bother to take it to court.

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:05.280
<v Speaker 4>And what do you know, such a mandate is not legal.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also there is not a teacher alive, I

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 1>reckon that would deliberately upset or offend one of their students.

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.760
<v Speaker 1>That's right. So if there was, for example, an actual

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 1>student who seriously and I know some some kids who

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>seriously you know, identified as someone of the opposite tenor

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, or wanted to go by a different name

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>or different pronoun I have no doubt that meeting with

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the school it would be help help you dealt with

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 1>really really sensitively, really really seriously, and that student would

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>be addressed how they'd want to be addressed. The problem

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 1>with the mandate is, I reckon you would instantly, and

0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I know this because this is what I do. Instantly,

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:47.760
<v Speaker 1>every single kid would say they were gender fluid. They'd say, Joseph,

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>what is the answer to question? So I'm sorry, miss,

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm gender fluid. It's Joseph today, and then say, oh,

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and that is what so many people.

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.720
<v Speaker 5>It's an opportunity for students.

0:43:58.320 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 1>To just that's right, and you don't.

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 5>Don't.

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 1>The last thing you want to do in any school

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 1>environment is put more power into the student's hands, but

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.839
<v Speaker 1>it's to you don't want to undermine the teacher's authority, of.

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 5>Course, but it's just ridiculous. Why is this woke nonsense

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 5>being pushed on them.

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 9>You've got to, you know, say what your preferred name

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 9>is and your preferred pronouns, stick to the gender you've

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 9>actually It also just takes away from then people that

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 9>are properly struggling with their gender. If then all of

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:27.879
<v Speaker 9>a sudden, twelve year olds have to save us. Maybe

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 9>I'm a they, maybe I want to be.

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.040
<v Speaker 5>A heed today. It's it's absolutely ridiculous. Good on the

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 5>teachers for fighting this one.

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's it.

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 4>And Gabby Kiss Starmer's Dolementarum in trouble.

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.319
<v Speaker 9>You know, the latest ipsoce poll that I found on

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 9>Kiss Starmer found that he was more unpopular than any

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 9>other PM in these five months that he's been leading

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.359
<v Speaker 9>for forty years. And I can understand why he's been

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 9>urged to scrap this careless, careless rather guidance on single

0:44:56.239 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 9>sex spaces. According to this document on what's sex spaces are,

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 9>it's lawful to operate a single sex service on a

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 9>mixed sex basis determined by self ID. So that completely

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:15.399
<v Speaker 9>takes your fe feeds the purpose of single sex spaces.

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 9>If Kirstarma really cared about safe spaces for men for well, yeah,

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 9>sure for men and also for mostly for women because

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 9>they're more likely to be targeted, yeah, absolutely more vulnerable

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 9>in this, he wouldn't need to include that that it's

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 9>determined by self ID, that all of a sudden you

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 9>can decide to be whatever you want and you can

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:37.240
<v Speaker 9>go into each space.

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 1>He should look to my example because my yeah, my life.

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Well it's amazing what we've done at home. But at

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:50.280
<v Speaker 1>my house, my wife has actually established a no sex space.

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Right, how's that going through?

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:57.479
<v Speaker 3>And on that note, I think it's a good time

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 3>to go to a break stick around. And when we're back,

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Santa Con is taking America by store.

0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, you can rest.

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.320
<v Speaker 3>Easier tonight because the climate crisis.

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 4>Is sold as a giant cargo ship has been retrofitted

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 4>with sales.

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Joe, that's correct, Liz. As you know, I'm a great

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 1>student of history, and I thought that I'd missed the

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 1>great Golden age of sale, but apparently it's coming back.

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic steam that was just a passing fad dieselna

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:35.799
<v Speaker 1>who needs it? This is the Soha Max. It is

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:41.759
<v Speaker 1>a cargo ship with four hundred thousand ton capacity and

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>it has just had five thirty five meter high Rota

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 1>sales retrofitted to it. Look at it.

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 4>Ridiculous, ridiculous.

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Tigned shipyard in China expected to be able to cut

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the vessel's fuel consumption by as much as way for it,

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I think all great was worth it. Wow that christ

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>is so pro emissions by three thousand tons a year.

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:19.320
<v Speaker 1>The only catches it's carrying iron ore. So we have

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 1>a tle oil tape.

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Of course, it had to do this in order to

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<v Speaker 3>just wait, it's guilty conscience. Well you've probably heard of

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<v Speaker 3>Tom McDonald. He is a strong conservative rapper in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States of America, and he's put together a little

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<v Speaker 3>jingle of his own for the festive season. Well, the

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<v Speaker 3>tide is finely turning and Cammar's speech is slurring.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank God for saying bye to Joel, screw the woke,

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<v Speaker 1>screw the woke, screw the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that he is a Christmas Carol, I think we

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<v Speaker 3>can all get the.

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<v Speaker 5>High a lot of sense. Look, Christmas spirit.

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<v Speaker 9>Everyone's feeling it the moment, particularly in the streets of

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<v Speaker 9>New York City.

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<v Speaker 5>Where people are taking part in Santa Cohn. Take a

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<v Speaker 5>look at this.

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<v Speaker 11>I love to dress up, and I love the holiday season,

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<v Speaker 11>and I just I love getting into a whole vibe

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<v Speaker 11>of the holiday and seeing everyone else dressed up. That's

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<v Speaker 11>what I pretty much do for a living. I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>and a hobby. It's a hobby. I cars play anyways,

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<v Speaker 11>So it's it's just it's so much fun to see

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<v Speaker 11>everybody in the festive mood.

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<v Speaker 9>Thousands of people are dressing up as Santa, taking to

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<v Speaker 9>the streets, doing a pub crawl and getting into the

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<v Speaker 9>Christmas spirit.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I don't think it's something that I would take

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<v Speaker 5>part in.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so American. I like someone tried this in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone would be like, yeah, na, mate, well she'll be right,

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<v Speaker 4>she'll be right. I love that. There's a few grenches

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<v Speaker 4>in the mix as well, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Few But even that lovely lady there, I sort of

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say, is that Christians? She looked like a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the suicide squad. She loved.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's the woman in the suicide squad? You're just picking

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<v Speaker 4>on her hand?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well just you know, I just I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't nice, but Harlequin.

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<v Speaker 4>She's insane. Harlequin's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you saying about this beautiful woman in America

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<v Speaker 3>just trying to celebrate Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Job probably has a few issues.

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<v Speaker 4>Of harashtag discrimination.

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<v Speaker 5>Adelaide to Vancouver, they're all taking part in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it is absolutely massive. That's a wrap from

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<v Speaker 3>us tonight. We'll see you tomorrow. Coming up next, Sky

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