WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 4 June 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:08.240 General, Welcome to the lad Base. Good evening and welcome 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:08.880 to the program. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.520 I'm Caleb Bond with Liz Stora and Joe Hildebrand. Well, 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.200 would you believe it, Malcolm Turnbull, the Miserable Ghost, has 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.840 come out with some advice on how to deal. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.759 With Donald Trump. God help us all. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.560 I think if there's one thing we know, it's if 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.200 Malcolm Malcolm Turnbull tells you to do something, you should 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.560 probably do the opposite. In the papers, we'll talk about 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.520 a gangland figure in Melbourne who's had his deportation overturned 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.040 thanks to Direction. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.360 Ninety nine not another one. And then later in. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.159 The program there's a bar in the US that has 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.720 come up with a Pride month for the rest of us. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.720 But first we've got to talk about the skills shortage 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.400 in this country. Now you might be sitting there thinking 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.720 we've got a problem with tradees, we've got a problem 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.600 with teachers, we've got a problem with police officers. We 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.680 desperately need more of them. Well, I am here to 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.600 tell you that you are wrong. In fact, what we 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.120 need is more yoga instructors and martial artists. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:10.520 No, I'm not kidding. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.000 Jobs and skills Australia has put out today. It's list 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.560 of the jobs that we need to fill, and of 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.039 course that means the margrants we need to bring to 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.960 this country in order to fill them. And of course 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.000 the federal government and many others have been going on 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.480 about the fact that we don't have enough houses. We 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.720 have all these margrants coming in, but we don't have 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.240 the houses for them to live in. We don't have 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.040 rental properties, we don't have new properties, so you'd think, well, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.559 we could do with some extra tradees. Now this list 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.600 does say that Sparky's, chippies and civil engineers are needed. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:49.480 But plumbers, no bricklayers, no cabinet makers, no painters, roof tilers, stonemasons, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.520 they don't make the cut. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.760 But the list of people who are recommended. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.640 To be brought into this country yoga instructors and martial 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:03.040 artists like a joke, but apparently it is not. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:04.320 There are two lists. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.120 One list says this is what we strongly recommend, what 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.079 we strongly believe is what is needed. That's what the 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.560 yoga instructors and martial artists have made it onto. And 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.240 then there's another list that says, maybe we need to 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.520 do some more consultation. That's the one that all the 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.040 tradees have somehow ended up on it. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.160 You'd think it was a pretty open cutcase. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.560 And that's exactly what the head of Research and Build Skills, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.640 Robert Sabayra said today. He said, just the world really 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.359 need more yoga instructors at this point in time. I'm 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.240 not diminishing the importance of that as an occupation or 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.880 the validity of it, but from the perspective of our 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:45.200 economic priorities in this country, our social and economic priorities, it. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.400 Would seem to us that we should really. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.680 Be prioritizing basically any skilled trade. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:51.120 Now. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.040 The only reason I can think of that we would 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.960 need more yoga instructors in this country is that it 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.520 might be quite popular in the inner city. And of 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.160 course the inner city is under it hack from the Greens, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.720 and Labor is desperate to wrestle as many seats back 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.440 from the Greens as possible. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.079 So, Joe, they've come up with the perfect policy. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.480 They're going to go to the next federal election saying 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.840 we've solved all your problems. We got you the yoga 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.480 instructors you wanted. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.600 Wow. Really, just to address this issue, I've actually come 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.639 to the show dressed as an elite. You know what, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.480 I'm wearing a suit, Joe defendant. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.640 You that you are in a suit and tie, and 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.760 in all my establishments, in all my years, you were 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.960 that you were the first bloke who gave me a 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:35.520 paid job. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.080 By the way, and I don't think it all that 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.440 time I've seen you in. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:43.120 A suit, I've got me questioning everything I've ever thought 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.760 to be, Like, my whole world is exploding. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:54.400 Anyway, Vogue feelings, They're perfectly natural for this. What have 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.120 I been saying the whole time, every every other night. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.560 This is why cutting migration doesn't actually create more housing. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.960 We need to bring in the migrants to build the 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:03.640 houses and. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.880 Jobs and skills. Australia seem to think, so. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:12.120 Joe bringing the migrants in, bringing migrants who can build 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.360 the houses, not the migrants who can do it down 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:14.960 the dog. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.120 Bringing in the one. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:24.760 So build skills Australia commissioned by this labor government, by 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.919 the way, that's why build skills exist. Labor government was like, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.480 we need someone to address the workforce side of this 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:38.080 housing crisis, so we commissioned build skills. Well, build skilleds 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.239 told the government in March of this year. We need 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:46.960 ninety thousand extra construction workers in order to reach your 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:51.800 pie in the sky goals of one point two million 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:56.159 new houses in five years. To be clear, that means 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.799 from July this year. This government has committed to building 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:06.640 two twenty thousand new homes every month, sixty thousand every quarter. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.200 And they think they're going to pull this off while 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.440 not even allowing said construction workers. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.920 We need onto the yes. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.680 Please these skilled immigrants, we need you desperately. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.400 List this I know, and I welcome youth. You cannot 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.960 laugh or explain the way exactly what I've been saying. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.599 I'm not saying that yoga should come. This is the 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.960 whole point levels If you just simply cut migrace, well 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.159 obviously the list is moronic and it needs a eguy 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.920 that you're actually prioritizing the trades. And again I agree exactly. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.840 We build skills head of research of rob Sobria that 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.479 the idea that you just cut migration and suddenly more 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.279 houses appear is completely and utterly fantastical. We don't have 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.640 enough people to build the houses the. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.960 Right immigrants, which obviously they're not. So you can cut 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.159 numbers and just make sure that those that you are 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:04.120 letting into the country fit the bill to help us 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.240 out where we're in dire need. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:07.240 But let's have a. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.839 Look at how we ended up in this pickle because 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.039 it follows a stooche between the government and the building 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.720 sector in December of last. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.840 Year, when traders were left. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:22.320 Off the streamlined highly skilled professional visa category amid union 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:28.440 calls to ensure Australian jobs were prioritized these ladies and gentlemen. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.120 Is one of many reasons why you. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.200 Don't vote for labor because you end up with the 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.000 unions running the country. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.000 Until tonight, we're on their side. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:49.400 They govern while keeping their union mates happy. That's why 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.440 trade's were left off the list. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.160 This is why I'm saying we need to bring more 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.120 margrats to address the housing. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:06:59.080 A. 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.159 Welcome you, Joe, I, welcome o you Australian citizens from across. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.120 It's not about the numbers. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.800 It is about having the right migrants come into the country. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.400 And the list that we are looking at now is 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.960 saying the people we absolutely need are the Yogis. The 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:21.520 list should say there has nothing to do with numbers. 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:21.840 We want. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.640 Ridiculous that the yogis appear on this list, and you 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.080 know plumbers and tilers don't. But again, the sheer numbers 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:32.000 of yoga instructors and martial arts instructors are not going 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:36.240 to be anything like the numbers of for example, electricians, carpenter's, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:37.480 civil engineers. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:38.760 We can only hope. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.240 This has been put on the front page of the 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.120 nine newspapers. So this this program is too woke even 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.200 for the former Fair Facts newspapers. That's the government will 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.640 pay attention to it. It will fix it already. Clara 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.680 O'Neil has said as soon as she came to office 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.600 that she was working on streamlining the skilled visa program. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.720 So we were just getting the right one and clearly someone's 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.280 gone through here and hang on a minute, what's going 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.720 on here? I remember doing a story which found that 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:10.440 I believe it was it was massuses or some massage 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.920 therapists or messuses were on the targeted migration list to 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.280 bring into Australia. And of course they weren't just working 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.520 in the therapeutic massage. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.520 I was going to say, they weren't the sort of 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:24.200 This is one of the. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:28.280 Things that Malcolm was procured. Malcolm Turnbull attempted to crack 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.400 down on which also had people jumping up and down, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.280 and that was when he wasn't hanging up on Donald 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:33.960 Trump story. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.360 Well, get to that a bit later in the show. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:40.199 But the idea that you can't have a migration program 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.800 that has a lower number while also saying that we 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:44.880 want certain. 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.680 People, I just don't see what the issue is. You 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.280 can say we want a lot of lower a lot of. 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.640 People talk about lowering the number without making any mention 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.640 of the actual mix of minus we need, as though 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.800 if you just cut the number then suddenly there'd be 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:58.200 more happy. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.600 Because dress this in his budget reply speech, he absolutely 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:06.320 did address that, yes we will cut my migration, but 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.920 we will do so in such a way that ensure 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.480 the nation's needs are met. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.000 It's not rocket science. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.960 But let's go to the UK now, where overnight all 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.760 my folks and dreams, my birthdays, my Christmases arrived at. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:25.440 Once when Nigel Farage while the mother country is burning 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:31.680 on every single metric you name it, Britain is in trouble. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.640 The Conservative Party, the Tories are set for a landslide 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.800 defeat at the upcoming election. And who wants to see 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.800 a Corb and Nista government nobody. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.880 So who's come back. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.600 To enter the fray and save the day? This guy, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.599 this looks like on top of me. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:56.480 He's just follow me because we get a little cutters. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.000 Of the bills about me. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:00.559 And why is he doing this? 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.160 Well, if you know anything about the current state of 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.239 the UK, it's bleeding obvious. But here's the man himself 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.040 announcing why So. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.280 I'm coming back as Leader of Reform UK. But not 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.760 just for this election campaign. I'm coming back for the 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:22.240 next five years. And there is one very simple reason 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.120 for that. We all know already that the Conservative Party 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:30.680 will be in opposition, but it won't be the opposition. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.959 They are incapable of it. They've spent most of the 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.680 last five years fighting each other rather than standing up 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.800 and fighting for the interests of this country. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.360 I think this man is going to rail it in 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:45.360 at the polls. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:46.040 You know why. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.720 He is a patriot. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.600 Check Out this quote he said, I. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:55.000 Believe in Britain, these boring idiots that lead the Labor 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.080 and Conservative parties. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:57.920 Are not worth the space. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:03.880 Let's make Britain and great again, echoing the great words 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.720 of President Donald Trump. Here they are together, shortly after 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.880 Brexit got across the line is celebrating this iconic photo. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.640 If we can get Trump back in the White House 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:20.360 and get that man anywhere near Downing Street, there may 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.960 be hope for the Western world. Yet, ladies and gentlemen, 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:25.880 we've got to make it happen. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.680 I know I'm looking I'm looking forward to it enormously, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.360 and he's going to be fun. And I believe, contrary 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.680 to his comments just then, I believe the real reason 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.160 he diveat is because the election campaign was so far 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.880 the dullest, most boring electoral campaign we have ever seen. Yes, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.199 I love it, I love it, but you know he's 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:44.559 not going to be Prime minister, right, you know he's 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:49.760 going to make a Labor party's back for five years. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.559 Him back in the House will make all the difference and. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.839 Worth having the right tear each other apart just so 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.240 that you can have a bit of fun in an 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.920 election campaign, even if it means Labor wins government. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.120 He is the man of the hour. 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.920 Here he was at their own Tory party get together. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.000 It's explaining to you the why they've already lost. 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.720 Your poll has just come out shows the election's over already, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.920 it's over, it's done. It's not my fault that the 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.520 Tories have done it to themselves. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.400 He's seen his opportunity to make a comeback and the 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.160 stage is set. Well. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.720 The point is it's going to be a labor government. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:30.560 Anyone knows. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.800 Everyone knows it's going to be a labor government. So 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.640 the argument around the Right tearing itself apart is somewhat. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.199 Moot at this point because it's not. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.240 As though Nigel Farage could come just sailing into the 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.480 Tories and fix it all up in the five weeks 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:44.480 before the next election. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.160 It's not going to happen. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.360 He sniffed the political wind, which is obviously that the 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.520 Tories are going to get annihilated and there's going to 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.520 be a significant portion of people who want something else 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.679 to vote for and they don't really want to vote 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.880 for labor, and so his Reform Party will be the 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.040 third party that comes in and says, look, if you 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.280 want to send a message to the Tories that they 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.160 should get back to conservative basics and they call themselves 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.400 the Conservative Party, then we are the people to do it. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.240 He's running in the seat of Clacton, which had previously 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.120 had a member that was from the UKIP Party, which 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:23.200 was the party that he from previously, so he knows 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.040 that they have proven that they can win in this seat. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.520 It is the right time for someone like Farage to company. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.959 You can't barrage the Farage to come back into the 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.560 fold and say, look, we've got to give the Tories 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:36.080 a scare. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.080 The question is the maths though, right, So it's like 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.880 one nation saying we're going to knock over Peter Dutton 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.160 because he's not conservative enough, and we're going to resort 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.880 this back to base and will be the new opposition 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.840 because we'll be more than the Liberals are in opposition 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.640 while Labor is in power. And then does one nation 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.960 end up getting fifty one percent of the vote at 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.880 a future election or in the UK's chance, the first case, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.120 the first past the post. That is the question. You 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.640 Kip is very good at swinging people here and there. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.199 But the reason, for example, why Brexit got up is 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.040 because a whole bunch of northern labor voters in northern 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.679 England who felt really p quite frankly by you know, 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:14.600 they've been put out of jobs by you know the. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.240 Are you saying he won't win the seats because his 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:18.040 only point? 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.280 No, no, no, I'm saying that the question with him 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.800 winning the seat, the question is whether Reform UK or 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.720 the Conservatives are better positioned to be able to form government. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.680 So if you actually think the reform you came he has. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.720 Said we will be in opposition, it will be you 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:36.160 just heard. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.640 He's saying he wants to be the main opposition, which 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.200 means that the next time. Unless he wants to be 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.160 in opposition forever, which few political parties do, he has 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.720 to think that reform either a reform is the biggest 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:54.720 opportunity to retake government from labor at the election. Wants 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:59.440 to scare them, scare the crap out. He wants to 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.000 destroy the con Servative Party in the place. 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.760 It's not about destroying the Conservative parties. Fixing the Conservative 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:05.240 Party now. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.120 We make their votes until they learn they then become 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.840 more like reform UKU. And then he says, thank you robots, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.200 heeded your lesson, and I'll go point. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.440 Need to have an effective opposition. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.240 He knows the Tories don't have it in them to 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.320 give They didn't even have it in the to give 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.080 who So he's. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:29.760 Like coming back to get it, going to stay. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.320 Well, there's two things you can do next. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.040 One is you either former coalition with the Conservatives if 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.680 they come to the table in terms of what you 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.360 want them to do, or at the point you think 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.080 the Conservatives have reformed themselves, you bow out. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.520 That's your two options. Now for. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.720 The last political party you're aware of in a liberal 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.680 deboxcy that voluntarily just bowed out. But even the Democrats 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.120 had the decency to be wiped out by if no. 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.480 One, if no one makes an attempt to try and 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.360 correct the Tories, then the Tories will keep going the 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.720 way they have, which is leading them to annihilation at 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.560 the next election in the UK. They need someone to 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.080 deliver some kind of reset. That's what Faraj wants to do, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.360 and God willing he will be able to do it. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.600 And speaking of conservative I think one of the most 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.400 important issues that any conservative party in the world should 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.040 be worried about right now, and particularly in our country, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.600 is housing affordability, because, of course, if you want people 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.240 to believe in what they have, you want them to 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:34.840 have something to conserve. They actually have to own something, 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.000 and generally that has been based on a good job, 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.280 a home that you own to come home to, and 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.240 a family living in that home. And we know statistically 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.000 now that the number of people having families is dropping. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.320 The fertility rate in Australia at the moment is one 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.920 point six. The replacement rate we need to keep the 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.640 population stable is to point one, that is kid per 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.520 person right, So what we have as a situation with 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:09.920 fewer people having fewer kids because fundamentally they don't own anything. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.920 A new research from Redbridge, which of course is run 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.520 by Cos Samaras, who used to be a strategist for 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.320 the Labor Party, has shown exactly this. It found that 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.520 more than half of eighteen to thirty four year olds 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:28.240 have delayed starting a family, primarily because of the cost 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:28.800 of living. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.400 And Cos Samaras. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.080 Said to this that the people who participated in this 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.000 study were asked whether or not a baby bonus would 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.760 be an encouragement for them to have a child, and 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.880 they basically said no, a baby bonus. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:40.520 Would do very little. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.080 And to this Cos Samaras said, it's not just about 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.760 the three thousand or four thousand you might get from government. 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.199 It's the inability to access affordable rental properties. It's the 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.159 inability to access a home that is suitable for raising 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:57.119 your family. It's the unstable work out there. People don't 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.800 feel like because of the economic conditions, they are in 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.120 a place in their lives where they can go and 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.479 have children. They want a home that they can own, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.080 they want a stable job, and of course they want 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.800 that home to not cost them half of their life savings. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.840 Any conservative government worth at salt should be working over 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.400 time on this because without people being able. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.120 To own a home and have a family and. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.480 A patch of dirt for them to look after that, 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.600 that's their connection to the community, that's their connection to 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.480 the world. And without that, you set up this situation 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.480 where people go, well, the economic conditions I live in 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.320 don't suit me, so why would I do anything to 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.400 conserve and better the world that I live in. John 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.639 Howard once said, and I'm paraphrasing him here, that economic 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.600 policy should help people and not the other way around. 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.200 The people are not the means to the economic policy. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.399 The economic policy is the means to the people. That 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.919 is not the situation we're in now, and we're. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:01.200 Still to see the consequences. 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.440 But the government has known this for ages. 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.520 Last time our fertility rate was this low one point 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:11.320 seven it was in two thousand and that was the 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.400 lowest it had ever been in recorded history. In Australia 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.960 the year after two thousand and one they came out 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.320 with the baby bonus because then we had a government who. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:23.520 Was like, well, we've got to do something. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.600 Okay, people have kids, come on, get us out of here. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.200 Let's let's have babies. 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.880 We can do this for money. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:33.760 And it worked. 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:39.560 But we've seen this decline for decades now, and successive. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.880 Governments do very little. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.960 There's no tax breaks, there's no kind of like, here 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.159 is how we are making it affordable for you to 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.600 have kids, or at least more than one point seven kids. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.639 So right now the baby bonus won't cut it. We 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:55.800 can't bring that back. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.280 It worked for its day, for Grand power. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:04.800 These governments idea of all let's support families is universal daycare. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.720 Oh thank you so much that you're going to take 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.000 my three year old for free. I want to stay 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.480 home and raise my own kids, Thanks very much. 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.239 And this government's idea of we're supporting families. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.399 Is give us your children. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.919 We all know the hand that rocks the cradle rules 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:21.359 the world. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.320 Give us your children and women half of the workforce. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.359 Get back to your desks and bring us the tax dollar. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.160 That's all this government cares about. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.760 So what you just said. 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:37.480 Literally not really. 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.200