WEBVTT - #2048 Anti-establishment Medicine - Dr. Jeff Gross 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.400 I'll get a team. It's the project that's you, of course, 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.120 it's the You project. Craig Anthey Harper. It's a Wednesday 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.560 in Melbourne, but it's not a Wednesday in the States 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.639 or in Las Vegas. It's a Tuesday? Is it? 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:11.840 Am? 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.159 I care? It's still Tuesday? Isn't it Tuesday night? 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.239 We just can't get away from Tuesday. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.320 I don't want to say the the you know, the obvious, 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.360 but you're you're always going to be behind us. So 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.720 that's okay, that's okay. Let me tell you Wednesday, Wednesday, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.360 the nineteenth of November. It's pretty good. It's pretty good 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.159 over here anyway, so look forward to that. Yeah, how 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:37.120 are you? How have you been? 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.720 Fantastic? Thank you yourself? How are things there? 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.240 Oh? Good? A few little challenges on planet Craig with 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.160 some very old parents, but you know that everybody goes 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.280 through that, so I'm trying to navigate that. That's a 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.880 first for me. And are your parents still around either 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:55.960 or both or neither. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.600 My mother and stepfather are alive and well and they 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:06.120 come in for some of our regenerative anti aging attention 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.560 and yeah, young, active and independent. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.520 So what's your mum? Benching these days. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:14.319 She's benching her body weight. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.800 You know, yeah, that's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what she 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.680 deadlifting one point five body weight for reps issue? 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.760 Yeah yeah, yeah, I've heard. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.800 I've heard she's an animal. I've heard she's an animal. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.440 Before we jump in, like today, I wanted to ask 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:35.960 you a few things because I was kind of praising 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.600 you before we started recording, and I mean it, it's 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.679 like what I what I love about you and why 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.800 I love having you back is because you know, you 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.400 have a high level of expertise and knowledge and understanding 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.400 and skill in your space that virtually none of my listeners. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.680 I would think none of my listeners do. They might 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.840 know more than I do. But like, but your capacity 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:02.000 to be able to share complicated ideas and messages in 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:07.120 a kind of a user friendly way is It's not unique, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:11.480 but it's certainly not common. How much are you aware 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:17.240 of that? Like? Is communication connection building rapport? Because you're 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.160 constantly talking to people who don't have your knowledge or 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.320 your understanding or your medical insight and you can't just 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.760 talk psychobabble to them. How much are you aware of 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:33.920 communication and helping people? Have I guess a capacity to 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.880 embrace what's actually going on without being overwhelmed. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.800 Well, thank you for that. By the way, I'm acutely 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.440 aware of. My job is to educate, So if you're 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.240 a patient sitting in front of me, I have to 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.840 explain it to you in a way that connects with you. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.200 And I might be different for different people, and I 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:01.080 have to be aware of the cultural difference, language difference, 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:07.640 the contextual differences, because I need someone to feel like 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:13.720 they got it before they leave. And the important doctrine 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.120 of informed consent means a patient needs to be able 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.760 to agree to a treatment knowing all the options. And 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.280 they can't know all the options they don't understand some 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:29.000 explanation behind them, and that's a time consuming process, but 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.600 as rewarding for the patient and for me. The system 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.800 doesn't allow for that, which is why you know, we 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:44.920 don't work inside the institutionalized, watered down, insurance driven system here. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:50.240 Yeah, and that gives you, I guess, the freedom and 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.000 the flexibility to be able to do the things that 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.240 you do the way that you want to do them 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.520 without you know, those kind of barriers and restrictions. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.680 I did I one further, Yeah, to allow one further. 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:10.280 It allows me to follow the Hippocratic oath best because 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:15.400 health insurance forces institutions and people that work for them 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.640 to to skirt that oath. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.680 Yeah, that's so, And I mean it is the hippocritic. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.640 First do no harm? Is there a bit more? 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:33.120 First do no harm is a was a concept from 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:39.480 an anonymous name Galen, probably in around sixteen hundreds. Some 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.680 people have added it to a modern version of the 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.320 Hippocratic oath, but it was not from Hippocrates. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.080 Right, can you can you give us a snapshot of 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.480 the Hippocratic oath and I'm more accurate than me. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.760 Yeah, Hippocratic oath is about you know, service first to 0:04:54.839 --> 0:05:01.440 your patient, uh, and to help relieve suffering and help 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.280 to you know, cure those that try to cure those 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:12.000 that are ailing. There were some other more political nature 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.800 to it that's kind of dropped off the modern version. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.840 But yeah, it's an interesting read. It's not very long. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.920 Yeah, what do you think like I'm always encouraging people 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.880 to this sounds this sounds shonky at the start, but 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.960 basically to do their own research. I don't mean watching 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.719 YouTube videos or jumping on the internet, but by that 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.200 I mean and E calls one kind of figuring out 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.680 at the very least, being aware of how your body 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.320 responds to different things. So, Craig, when you have seven 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.240 hours sleep, how does your brain work versus eight hours sleep? 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.120 Or versus five hours? Craig, when you eat dinner at 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.120 nine o'clock at night versus six thirty, do you notice anything? 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.839 Is there any difference in terms of sleep or disruption 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.039 or energy? Or you know, when you drink a leader 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.200 of water versus three leaders of water, you know, when 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.800 you have two coffees versus four, when you like, all 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.640 of this kind of just being aware of the stuff 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.760 that we do, either consciously or unconsciously to our body, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:18.200 and then you know, without you know, pretending we're medical professionals, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.880 but at the very least navigating life with this awareness of, oh, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.839 when I do this to my body, this seems to 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.080 be the outcome. You know, that's almost just building a 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.800 different kind of self awareness, physiological self awareness, you know, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:37.279 operational self awareness. I feel like that's something that's not 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.920 really spoken about a lot or encouraged a lot. We 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.279 kind of in Australia anyway, it's very much oh you 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.279 know this happened. Now I'll go and see a doctor 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.840 and then they will give me a pillow. They will 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.880 tell me what to do, rather than saying what am 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.320 I doing to contribute to this thing? Like what do 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.440 I know? Well, I drink alcohol seven days a week, 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.720 so that you know that could have something to do 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.440 with this issue that I'm having. Or I spend twenty 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.800 two hours day sitting on my ass lying in a 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.960 bid that could be a contributing FACTA no, I. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.360 Concur with you. I think that my best patients are 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:19.960 those that are really self aware, because they can into 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.400 it their problems and their reactions to different things, and 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.160 they can give me more useful information for me to 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.760 help figure out a pattern of what's wrong. Sometimes I've 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.119 noticed this too. Sometimes people will say, oh, I can't 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.920 I can't take much of that supplement or do that 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.360 it sets off this and you know they've seen a 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.040 doctor and the doctor's like, well, that's not possible. That's 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.160 not a thing. You know, Well, you know, when you're 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.400 taking data from a patient, it is a thing. It 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.800 is an an equals one and to try to extrapolate 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.400 that to a study of a thousand people is not useful. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.760 And that's why a lot of the medical research out 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.240 there is horrible. It's horrible because it's it's it's for 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:08.040 epidemiologic or population type issues. They often use the wrong 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.920 kind of statistics when they look at it, you know, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.800 they take it, they take a situation that is nonlinear 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.440 and they try to force it into a linear setting. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.800 And the peer reviewers in the journals don't understand this. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.480 The peers aren't very bright. And there's so much of that. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:31.000 So so, and now in the US we're reversing some dogma, 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.320 right this this Women's Health Initiative. Did you guys hear 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:34.199 about that over there? 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.560 I didn't. I'm sure my listeners did. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:43.440 But you go on, for years, based on a single 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:48.720 study called the Women's Health Initiative, doctors were telling women 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:53.280 that hormone replacement would harm them, they would cause them cancer. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.560 It turns out the statistics were completely wrong on that 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.240 and the opposite may be true. So they finally just 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.040 officially denounced it. So something that was you know, peer 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.160 review dogma for all this time. They looked back and said, oh, yeah, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.320 I guess we did mess that up pretty bad. And 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.400 you know, we've got decades of women who have suffered 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.839 significantly because they weren't offered, you know, what they should 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:26.960 be having. And that's just the beginning of hopefully looking 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.360 back at things in the past that were just wrong 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.040 and admitting they were wrong and moving forward into something new. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:40.360 Yeah, it's been an interesting journey doing my own research, 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.520 which is a very different space to you but because 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.439 I ran my own studies and I also did what 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.280 you know is a systematic literature review, where I started 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.719 with thirty one hundred and fifty papers which totaled over 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.040 two thousand different studies, and to try to distill it 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.720 into some kind of meaningful outcomes and messages and blah 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:02.440 blah blah ah that. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:03.480 But one of the. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:09.040 Really interesting things I didn't know is that in psychology anyway, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.480 I don't know what the exact number is, but the 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:17.520 majority of psychological research is done on students because because 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.400 it's like, well, I'm a PhD student and so I 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:26.360 can access students easily, right. But then, you know, so 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.839 what you've got is you've got all of this research 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.280 which gets extrapolated to everyone from zero to one hundred 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.199 years old. But the vast majority of people who are 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.199 being researched on in many cases is like a four 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.400 year window of eighteen to twenty two year olds who 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.400 are being compensated or rewarded for doing this research or 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:54.160 being involved, like they're getting academic credits. Fortunately, most of 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.559 my actual research that I did was with the general public. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.680 But then when you look into it, you go, well, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.680 how much does this even mean? These conclusions that are 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.880 drawn from this research when the vast majority of the 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.560 people involved in the research were eight en to twenty 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.840 two years old, and they were academics in this certain context, 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.920 in this certain environment, being incentivized to participate this in 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.440 the first place. They didn't want to do it. They 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.920 were just there because they got fucking academic credit, And 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.480 you're like, well, what's the quality of this? Then it's 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.920 like people don't think about the actual methodology or process. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:40.400 They just go, oh, this is what the research tells us. Well, yeah, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.320 but if the protocol or the methodology is dogshit, then 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.640 the outcomes the findings are also dogshit. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.920 I agree with that, And that's funny because you made 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.560 me remember something I probably haven't thought of for decades. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.640 As I had to do that. We had to do 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:02.360 the research too. To pass psychology class in college. We 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.359 had to sign up for a few studies and participate. 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:10.800 So you're right, that's a very select demographic, right, young, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:17.599 probably healthy, mind's not fully developed, ideas not fully developed, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:22.760 you know. So that's that's a great concept. They need 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:27.880 to do studies in different, more more diverse, you know, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.040 demographics one percent. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.360 Well, what I mean, we're taking those findings and then 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:37.560 extrapolating to the entire population, different cultures, different religions, different 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.559 different demographics, and then we're going, oh, because this group 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:47.120 of you know, teenagers and young adults, this is the 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.080 data we got from then, and then try to apply 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.559 that to my eighty five year old moment in some capacity. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:58.320 It doesn't really doesn't really make sense. What is speaking 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:59.880 of all of this? What is something that. 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:00.240 You you. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.560 That you believed or that you embraced that you've changed 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.720 your mind on. I might have asked you this once before, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.400 But is there something that you went I got that wrong, 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.640 or there's way more to this this story than I 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:18.520 was led to believe. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.480 Well, there are many things, and I would not be 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:31.720 a decent physician if I did not, you know, have 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.480 the ability to look at those things and open minded 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.800 to consider new data to change my mind. So you know, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.200 the Women's Health Initiative. You know how we approach that 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.320 is one item where we were scared about giving estrogen 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:49.480 to breast cancer. You know, our patients at risk for 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:54.400 breast cancer were now thinking, well, whoops, the estrogen may 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.640 actually be keeping those cells more normally functioning and not cancerous. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.520 So that's why how I approach the use of corticosteroids 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.760 quarter zone type injections for joints and spine. We used 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.640 to use them ubiquitously. You got an inflamed joinner, You've 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.360 seen a courtizone shot. Now we're looking back and saying 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:16.120 we've done those repeated shots actually are have accelerated the 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.640 degeneration of the joint, and we've got other options now. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.400 So this is this. I'm sure my list goes on, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.200 but those are probably two common ones. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:32.560 Well, there's all of us in it. It's like I think, well, 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.640 I don't think. I'm pretty sure I've gotten as many 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.080 things wrong over the years as i've gotten right. And 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.920 it's just like I think, part of like, if you 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.800 want to be authentic and real, and you know, you 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.280 really want to walk your talk, you have to And 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.320 I just mean in general, me included me at the 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.320 front of the queue. You've got to own up to 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.560 the things that you got wrong, and like nobody was 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.600 intending to do anything wrong, or at least ideas that 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.080 I so much of the stuff that I used to 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.520 think to be absolute gospel. I'm like, oh, well, that's 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.080 even The idea is that, you know, if this is 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.760 the problem, this is the solution, and we know that 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.720 that's effective for this and that, and then you go, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.360 that's effective for a lot of people, but not for 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.000 all people. I was talking about this the other day 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:26.480 day with somebody. We're talking about this idea of relaxing 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.720 and calming and switching on the parasympathetic nervous system and 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.960 getting out of that anxiety and that stress and that 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:38.480 hypervigilance and that overthinking, fucking chaos, and how for some people, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.240 you know, sitting in a quiet room with their legs 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.520 crossed and a bit of en you're playing or whoever, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:48.000 and doing some kind of meditative is like, that's beautiful 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.040 for them, and it does all the things that their 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.240 body needs. But I'd rather punch myself in the face 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.880 than do that. Like me sitting in a room like 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.760 that doing that, my response is not calm I don't 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.000 enjoy it, which is not say it's bad. It's not 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.640 bad at all. It's just not for me versus me 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.360 riding a motorbike, which I've done since I was five 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.840 and I still do pretty much every day of my life. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.680 When I'm on a motorbike ime in my happy place, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:21.200 I actually feel joy, I actually feel surprisingly, I feel calm. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.960 I don't know if I should, but I do. But 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.920 for other people that would be an episode or an 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.960 exercise in absolute terror. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:31.120 You know. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.840 But it's not so much about the thing that we 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:39.120 do as it is our relationship to or response to 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.240 the thing that we do. It's like, well, how does 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.640 that thing, whatever the thing is, how does that affect 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.040 your physiology and your psychology and your emotional system? You know, 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.840 And that's back to that end equals one. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.880 It is back to that, and there's so much we 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:02.960 don't know and we're learning. I encountered some new technology 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.480 this past weekend and we were at a health and 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:11.159 wellness event in Tampa, Florida. Yeah, very nice, and met 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.760 some people with a company that they call it Informational 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:22.720 Nutraceuticals or Infoceuticals. So what they do is they they 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.560 take advantage of and I haven't done the deep dive, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:32.320 but I'm very interested of the quantum state of molecules 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:38.320 that communicate throughout our body and can retain that quantum state. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.679 And they've looked at the quantum state of people who 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.880 are relaxed and the quantum state of people who are 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.359 who need this or need that, and they've they've been 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:51.800 able to use a quantum generator and take like a 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:57.480 salt water and imprint, imprint the solution, the quantum information 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.240 into the you know, the protons of the wall water. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.080 Wow, it's like right. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.480 And and then that that solution you put under your 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:13.040 tongue and your your body then communicates with your body's 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.480 quantum state of the water and your and you can 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.800 achieve that quantum state. This is called quantum medicine. It's 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.159 very new to me, but being a nerd, I like 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.680 all the science stuff. So this is this is very good. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.720 And so in essence, if you are, you know, anxious, 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.119 you could take one one of these solutions that calms you. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:38.200 And so they had one that's called dream that supports sleep. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.720 So I took it last night. It's my second night now. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.119 It just knocked me out really yeah, I don't know 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.480 if it's a placebo effect or what I'm gonna I'm 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.560 gonna look into this with more, you know, fervor, but 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.240 it's very interesting. And they have a set of these, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.880 you know, they have some for infection and this and 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:02.040 and and that, and it puts us on a whole 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.960 new level when we can not treat with medications or surgery, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.919 but we have we have ways of informing the cells 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.119 and our body through quantum entanglement. 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.480 Yeah, yeah, do you know. Yeah, it's so bloody, it's 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.240 it's so fascinating. You said they're place ebos. Right, I'm 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:22.720 just going to jump around a little bit. I did 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:27.240 an episode last week on place Ebos and No Cibos, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.960 and I thought, rather than me just bang on about 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.840 the potential power of the mind over our physiology and 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:35.879 the capacity that we may or may not have to 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.720 heal ourselves or resolve issue whatever, right, I thought, I'm 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:45.960 going to do some research and find documented cases of 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:51.240 you know, some of these kind of events and stories. 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.600 And there's so many of them, and it's like there's one, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.879 there was one which I won't bore the audience, but 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.199 I forget the I've got it written somewhere, but the 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.040 doctor's name escapes me. But he was a doctor slash 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:11.679 surgeon working in the NBA with NBA players, and like 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.680 the players would often at the end of the season 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.800 go in for a knee kind of you know, scrape 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.280 scope whatever, and they'd like to and they would do 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.880 these three incisions. Then they would do this operation where 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:26.560 they would take out all the crap a bit of 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.800 like wear and tear or anyway. He thought that the 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:35.920 operation basically didn't do anything, but the players thought it did, 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.840 like they believed in the operation, and they believed that anyway, 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.399 So he ran this experiment. I don't know how he 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.119 got ethical approval for this. It was in the It 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.240 was in I think two thousand and three or two 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.879 this and he had three groups, one who had the 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.120 actual operation, one who had a partial operation whatever that means, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.520 and one who had nothing. But they did go in. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.360 They all went into the operating theater. They're all put 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:04.159 under anesthetic, and they all had three incisions made in 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.199 their knee the same right as though they so And 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.919 when they came out the the medical staff didn't know 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.080 who had had the operation, so everyone was treated the same. 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.480 They're all rehad the same and you know what I'm 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.240 going to say, like the outcomes were better for the 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.280 people who didn't have anything done in the short term 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.280 and the short term and the long term. And one 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.280 of the guys who had a placebo operation went back 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:34.240 and played professional basketball having had nothing done, but the 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.159 issue had been resolved so it couldn't play. Then he 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.760 had the operation, nudge nudge, wink wink, back playing all good, 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:46.959 no pain issue resolved. Like that stuff fascinates me. And 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:48.840 I know there's a lot of bullshit around that, and 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.600 you've got to be careful about that and don't believe everything. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.760 I get all of that, But could you imagine, I mean, 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.440 there's so many companies and businesses that would not want 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.920 that to be Imagine if we could understand, imagine if 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:07.840 we could open that door on really starting to understand 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.080 how we could heal ourselves if we if we have 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.120 that ability but we just don't know how to access 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.240 it or operate it. There's so many companies that don't 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:18.119 want that to happen. 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.080 Agreed, Oh absolutely, I mean we see this all the 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.679 time and it drives my practice right because I'm a 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.840 surgeon trying not to do surgery and explain to people 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:30.800 they come here for a second opinion. Oh, but they 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.520 told me that surgery is the only way, and explain, 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.120 no surgiers the next thing on that doctor's menu, there 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:41.639 are other options. So it's it's it has to do 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.600 with appetites. So people don't have an appetite for, you know, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:47.240 things that aren't in the mainstream. 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.159 Well, if you go to you know whoever it is. 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:52.840 You go to a dietitian, it's going to be a 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.280 dietary problem. You go to a natural path, they're going 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.199 to turn to Nat Dropery. You go to a surgeon. 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.320 Of course you're going to need surgery. You've got do 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.679 you know what I mean. It's like there ain't too 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:08.639 many people talking themselves out of business when you do. 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:13.359 You have an awareness when you're talking to people like, okay, 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:14.959 let me hear the pause button, then I'll ask you. 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:16.760 So I had an awareness when I was talking to 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.719 clients over the years. Remember I owned multiple personal training 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.919 centers and I did tens of tens and tens of 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.240 thousands of hours of PT on the gym floor, and 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:28.160 often you would have people who would come in who 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.920 would be never been in a gym, not in good shape, 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:41.240 often terrible shape, insecure, very self conscious, very fearful, very anxious, 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.280 and all of that. And for whatever reason, I had 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.240 an ability to be able to make them feel really 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:50.239 safe and really seen and really okay very quickly. And 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.920 I would often just talk to them about, you know, 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.359 the fact that I'd trained many people like them, and 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:57.879 many people in worse condition than them, and many people. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:23:59.560 You know, I'd say to some people, you look like 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.440 in a limb compared to some of the people I've 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.880 worked with, and that'd laugh, and that feel better, right. 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:07.200 But I realized that, you know, what I could do 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.199 or how it could help them with their body was 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.840 secondary in that moment. It was more about how I could, 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.919 you know, make them feel okay psychologically and sociologically and 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:20.920