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Speaker 1: it's the You project. Craig Anthey Harper. It's a Wednesday

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Speaker 1: in Melbourne, but it's not a Wednesday in the States

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Speaker 1: or in Las Vegas. It's a Tuesday? Is it?

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Speaker 2: Am?

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Speaker 1: I care? It's still Tuesday? Isn't it Tuesday night?

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Speaker 2: We just can't get away from Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say the the you know, the obvious,

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Speaker 1: but you're you're always going to be behind us. So

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Speaker 1: that's okay, that's okay. Let me tell you Wednesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: the nineteenth of November. It's pretty good. It's pretty good

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Speaker 1: over here anyway, so look forward to that. Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: are you? How have you been?

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Speaker 2: Fantastic? Thank you yourself? How are things there?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Good? A few little challenges on planet Craig with

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Speaker 1: some very old parents, but you know that everybody goes

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Speaker 2: My mother and stepfather are alive and well and they

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Speaker 2: come in for some of our regenerative anti aging attention

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Speaker 2: and yeah, young, active and independent.

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Speaker 1: So what's your mum? Benching these days.

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Speaker 2: She's benching her body weight.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what she

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Speaker 1: I've heard she's an animal. I've heard she's an animal.

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Speaker 1: Before we jump in, like today, I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: you a few things because I was kind of praising

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Speaker 1: and skill in your space that virtually none of my listeners.

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Speaker 1: I would think none of my listeners do. They might

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Speaker 1: but it's certainly not common. How much are you aware

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Speaker 2: And I might be different for different people, and I

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Speaker 2: It allows me to follow the Hippocratic oath best because

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really doesn't really make sense. What is speaking

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Speaker 1: That you believed or that you embraced that you've changed

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Speaker 1: don't think I have an abnormally high pain threshold. I

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Speaker 1: don't think on some kind of alpha, by the way,

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Speaker 1: But talk to us a little bit about the individual experience,

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Speaker 1: personal person of pain and whether or not I don't know,

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Speaker 1: is that on some level psychological.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I mean you and I have touched

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Speaker 2: on this a little bit in the past. But of

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Speaker 2: course there's a genetic variations and how we perceive pain.

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Speaker 2: There's a neurotransmitter or brain perception, cognitive perception, and depends

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Speaker 2: on your state of minor mood. The pain can vary

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Speaker 2: with the psychological aspects of how your neurotransmitters are made up,

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Speaker 2: and depression sort of aggravates pain and the and it

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Speaker 2: depends very much on your neuromuscular status. Yeah. You you know,

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Speaker 2: most people with the most severe pain, I look more

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Speaker 2: debilitated observationally, and I don't know if that's a cause

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Speaker 2: and effect, But you know, muscle is protective. Muscle releases

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Speaker 2: endorphins and causes the release of endorphins, which are small

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Speaker 2: internal opiates. Muscle releases the myo kinds or extra kinds,

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Speaker 2: the peptides that that help the body in so many

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Speaker 2: and the brain in so many ways. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: so I think that the answer here is there's huge

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Speaker 2: variation and pain and perception and listen, the brain's powerful.

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Speaker 2: Like you can hypnotize someone out of pain. You can.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you put people in sedation, they don't

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Speaker 2: feel pain turning off their brain. But the physiologic stimulus

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Speaker 2: that was there in the first place causing pain is

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Speaker 2: still there.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Let's say I put a knife in your leg and

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Speaker 2: it hurts, and then we say you're not gonna feel it,

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00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: but still there, Yes, some damage. So the brain has

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Speaker 2: a lot to do with pain.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so interesting do you reckon? We I feel like

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Speaker 1: we talk more and more with longevity and health span

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Speaker 1: about managing our body, which is good about you know,

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Speaker 1: bone density and neuromuscular kind of function and coordination, balance, walking, gate,

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Speaker 1: staying strong, lifting weights, moving. We don't talk so much

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Speaker 1: about how do we keep our brain working optimally because

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Speaker 1: that's obviously you know, like how do I actually keep

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Speaker 1: my focus and attention and my shortened, medium and long

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Speaker 1: term memory, and how do I be able to solve problems?

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Speaker 1: And how do I think critically and how do I

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Speaker 1: keep this thing, this three pound thing, in the middle

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Speaker 1: of this danger alert thing in my head? How do

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Speaker 1: I keep that working as well as I can for

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Speaker 1: as long as I can? We don't It's spoken about

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Speaker 1: in like you and I would talk about it, but

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Speaker 1: it seems like the general public don't think about it

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Speaker 1: so much, or it's not something that when we talk

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Speaker 1: about health and longevity, we don't talk about brain optimization.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is a lot at least on you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot going on in the logevity space which

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, involved in, And I can tell you this.

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Speaker 2: Taking care of your muscles is taking care of your brain.

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Speaker 2: You've got to exercise, You've got to maintain your muscle mass.

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Speaker 2: That is the single best thing you can do for

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Speaker 2: your brain. You know, the muscles communicate with the brain.

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Speaker 2: The muscles are still moving, They're telling the brain this

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Speaker 2: organism is doing great. It's adapting and surviving. Continue to

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Speaker 2: think and act youthfully to allow that to happen. We

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Speaker 2: are we serve our ability to move and hunt and

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Speaker 2: and and you adapt. Once we start adapting, then the

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Speaker 2: brain has no reason to continue. That organism is deciduous.

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Speaker 2: It's going to fall off the tree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that in interesting When you see somebody who's

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Speaker 1: otherwise healthy and they are they're for whatever reason, usually medically,

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Speaker 1: they're confined to a bed for two weeks or they

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Speaker 1: can't you know whatever, and it's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you look I wouldn't tell them, but you look five

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Speaker 1: years older in two weeks. Like your face is different,

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Speaker 1: your energy is different. You just lost like twenty five

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Speaker 1: percent of your muscle mass in two weeks. It's like

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Speaker 1: your quads are shrinking by the fucking minute. It's like,

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Speaker 1: oh that being like truly immobile, where people are not moving,

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Speaker 1: as in they're not they're not walking, they're not ambulating,

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Speaker 1: they're not getting in and out of bed or in

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Speaker 1: and out of a chair or and that it just

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Speaker 1: disappears so rapidly. It's fucking terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it does, especially when you don't support the hormones

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Speaker 2: that maintain it. And I know where you are. It's

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Speaker 2: very difficult to get. That's very important and necessary youthful

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Speaker 2: optimized hormone replacement for both men and women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not happening anytime soon. Here, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: the tip. There's a lot of h history around that,

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00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Like but over here, if if people basically test austerlie

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Speaker 1: and replacement therapy for you know, men or women, it's

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Speaker 1: analogous to taking steroids and being a drug cheat. Do

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? That's kind of almost the

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00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: mentality around it, just so much fucking stupidity and ignorance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll guarantee you that the billionaires in your country, yeah,

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00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: are going somewhere to get it. Yeah, not because it's expensive,

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Speaker 2: because they're not going to stand for it. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know, you guys are close to other places where

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Speaker 2: you can get it. Maybe Singapore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's a there's a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that I know go on extended, extended holidays

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00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: to Thailand and come back looking like a fucking Olympic

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00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: athlete three months later. And yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, well, Doc, it's always good chatting with you. I

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Speaker 1: just looked up it's already been Nelly Nelly three quarters

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Speaker 1: of an hour. Time flies.

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Speaker 2: I know, it does, it does. Thank you, thanks so.

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Speaker 1: Much for chatting with us. Tell people how they can

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Speaker 1: find you and follow you and connect with you, if

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Speaker 1: you'd be so gracious.

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Speaker 2: You find me once a month on the U Project

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Speaker 2: podcast That's the That's where you should find me, and

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00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: followed Craig there. He always has good people, good information

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Speaker 2: and sometimes sometimes witty people. I wasn't very witty today.

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Speaker 2: I apologize and then there we We can found at

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Speaker 1: Get the up, butt a cup. All right, you stayed there,

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Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye our fair Thank you, sir, appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: thank you,