WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 10 March 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.920 Lately welcome the Late Debates. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:08.520 Well, it's great to have your company on the Late 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.720 Debate James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. We've 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.880 got a lot to get through tonight, including comedian Dave 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.799 Hughes is applauded for throwing people out of his most 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.239 recent show. We'll let you see exactly what happened a 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.960 little later. Plus, when we look at tomorrow's papers, police 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.400 say the caravan filled with explosives in Durall was not 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.800 a terror plot, it was a hoax. And news from 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.680 Canberra that our government has wasted billions of taxpayer dollars 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.760 by continually amending contracts after they've signed them. We'll get 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.600 to all of that soon, But just imagine for a moment, 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.160 if you will, that you're a new South Wales judge 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.040 and you're dealing with, I don't know, a fifteen year 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.479 old boy who's facing a string of car theft and 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.600 break in charges, including holding residents at knife point, and 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.520 he's asking for you to release him on bail. What 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.440 would you do. Well, you'd probably ask to see his history, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.800 his track records, see whether he's trustworthy to release on bail. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.840 What if you learned that that fifteen year old boy 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.440 had already been released on bail four times and on 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.640 every single occasion wound up back in police custody. Would 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.640 you still grant him bail? This is the exact situation 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.280 that faced a New South Wales judge last week. She 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.920 was confronted by a fifteen year old boy facing car 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.319 theft and break in charges, and she learned that he 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.720 would been on parole in April last year when he 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.960 broke into four homes allegedly stealing cars and assaulting residents. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.360 He was granted bail again, and during that period of 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:48.120 bail he broke into more homes, was arrested again, granted bail, 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.240 and while on bail four a third and fourth time, 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.840 broke into more houses, stole more cars, threatened people with knives, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.880 and here he is before justice. Julia lonegan asking for 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.920 bail a fifth time, and the judge found and I 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:09.040 quote a high degree of confidence that he would not 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.600 offend again. And you know why she was so confident 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.120 he would not offend again because the boy, through his solicitor, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.639 said he wanted to be a good role model for 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.600 his younger siblings, and he promised he would stay at 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.400 home when not at school. You have to wonder whether 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.359 the judge would have a high degree of confidence if 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.760 this fifteen year old boy lived in her suburb. Calebin 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.240 Lizza reminds me of another case in Melbourne, also last week, 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.639 where a fifteen year old boy, already out on bail, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.960 broke into a home, stole Mercedes Benz, led police on 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.239 a car chase reaching speeds of two hundred and forty 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.440 kilometers an hour. The magistrate slammed the kid said, you 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.720 could have killed somebody if I took a poll out 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.000 on the street. Everybody would say you should be denied bail, 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.800 And then the magistrate promptly gave him bail. The magistrate 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.280 actually said that I quote, proms to commit no further 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.080 acts of offending. The young man said, what do you reckon? 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.320 He said, Caleb, I reckon? He said, yes, I do. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:07.040 He said, I. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.240 Promise I won't do it again. And the judge said, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.160 all right, I'm going to hold you to that and 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.760 granted the kid bail. We can have politicians change the 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.359 laws all they like. We can have police do the 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.760 best police work you can imagine. But if magistrates and 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.160 judges keep looking at a track record that clearly says 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.840 this kid cannot be trusted and ignore it because for 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.520 whatever reason they take pity, or they think the rules 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.960 are too harsh, or it's just a kid, or they 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.840 believe a sop story. We are never going to see 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.160 the youth crime crisis resolve. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.200 I mean, how can you possibly say that you could 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.080 have a high degree of confidence that someone who has 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.400 been bailed four times will not then reoffend, you know, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.200 allegedly after all this reoffending that they have been doing. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.920 And Justice Lonigan and a number of other judges in 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.720 New South Wales have been openly critical of the reforms 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.680 that the state government the Men's government have made to 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.280 youth bail laws. Because the government changed the laws to 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.800 say that if you're going to give bail to someone 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.440 on multiple occasions, you must have a high level of 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.560 confidence that they won't reoffend, and according to Justice Lonigan, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.000 that imposes an additional obstruction to their release to their 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.919 family and community. Despite that child being entitled to the 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.360 presumption of innocence. All everyone before a court is entitled 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.080 to the presumption of innocence. It doesn't mean they're entitled 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.680 to be walking around in the community if there is 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.800 evidence that they may well reoffend many many times, or 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.840 we think they are a potential danger to the community. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.920 And of course it's not like bail is added on 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.040 to any future sentence you may receive. You get compensation 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.080 for time already spent in custody that is taken off 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.640 of your sentence, and if for whatever reason, you're found 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.719 not guilty at a trial, you receive some form of 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.839 compensation monetarily for the time you spend in custody. So 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.640 there is literally no argument you can make that just 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.760 because they're a child, they should be at home with 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.719 their parents. I mean, heck, if they're at home with 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.800 their parents, and how allegedly committing crimes, do you really 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.520 want them going back to that home climing It is 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.279 something wrong in that home. It is a joke, a 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.560 mockery of the system. And until someone actually applies it 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.360 as it ought to be applied, this will not change. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.080 But applies what therein lies the question. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:33.760 Because all bail applications come down to what's called judicial discretion. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.840 So every time you want to rail against a bail 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.120 yes or no from a magistrate, know that there are 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.239 no hard and fast rules when it comes to bail, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:44.880 there's no check list. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.760 I learned this at a little school, but I'm not 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:47.279 an authority. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:51.320 I never graduated, but loved, loved learning about bail laws 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.960 and why they are a dog's breakfast in every single state. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.279 You can't find a state or territory in Australia that's like, actually, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.680 our bail laws are working beauty so bad the New 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.560 South Wales's bail laws that the New South Wales Bureau 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.080 of Crime, Statistics and Research did a paper just in 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.400 October of last year because they wanted to figure out 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.240 what is going on. The police refused bail and then 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.919 over fifty percent of the time the accused comes to 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:26.120 the bail hearing and gets granted bail. In twenty twenty 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.400 three it was over fifty percent. It was fifty three 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.719 point five percent that everyone who came before a magistrate 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.280 or judge and the police were like, no, don't let 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.320 these guys out on bail. The magistrate is far more 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.800 often likely to be like, yeah, okay, they're out on bail. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.039 And it all boiled down to this judicial discretion hinging 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:51.320 on one particular thing. Because both parties care about community safety, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.200 but a magistrate is far more likely to be convinced 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.520 by a good defense lawyer, which is why the accused 0:06:58.600 --> 0:06:59.760 gets a defense lawyer. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.200 They're far more likely to be convinced by. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:08.279 That lawyer that the risks to the community can be 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:14.400 mitigated by certain bail conditions, and so by perhaps it 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:15.480 was then. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.440 The rules of this guy's bail. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.880 If he's like, I just go to school and I 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.520 come straight home and that is literally my only outing, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.480 then a magistrate is going to go, Well, that mitigates 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.280 the risks of him reoffending, doesn't it If he's only 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:35.840 ever at school or at home at supervision of his parents, etc. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:36.600 And so on. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.800 It's these softy magistrates basically would be. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.280 Very native maistrate who believes that. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.360 Yes, and you've got to then go. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.119 If it was your friends or relatives who had gotten 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.320 mugged by this kid, threatened by this kid, assaulted by 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.440 this kid, or had their property damaged by this kid, 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.880 would you, as the magistrate, really be that forgiving. Unlikely, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.760 But that is what it comes down to, and you 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.240 can't really make laws to them, be like, well, the 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:12.600 magistrates don't have judicial discretion anymore. It's supposed to guarantee 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:18.840 an individualize, proportionate, case by case basis decision making process. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.800 But again that relies heavily on the judge, and then 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.760 you get other judges who are way too heavy ended 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.080 and lo everyone up. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.080 But this is the thing, right, It's like, why can't 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.320 they just see what the rest of us can see? 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.480 That there is generally a strong community reaction because people 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.640 feel like they're not safe, and it's like, how are 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.319 these people so far removed from the rest of us 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.040 that they can't understand there are simple things that can 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.840 be done to make us feel safer. It should be noted, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.800 of course, that many people who are magistrates and judges 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.720 are former criminal defense lawyers themselves, and so it may 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.120 well be possible that coming from that world, they have 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.920 a different perspective on the way the criminal law should 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.800 be applied to say, a prosecutor who spent their career, 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.800 of course, trying to have people convicted in courts. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:04.640 I mean, I've sat in. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.760 Many court rooms and it's very clear that different magistrates 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.560 and judges have very different ways of doing things and 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.920 very different bents against certain prosecutors and lawyers, etc. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.080 Because they are vested with that power. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.000 Because we say they should be trusted with that power, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.520 but so often what they exercise just seems to be 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.040 so far removed from the rest of us. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.280 I was at a cafe in Brisbane a few weeks 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.559 ago and waiting for my coffee and ended up hearing 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.040 a conversation behind me which involved a magistrate talking to 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.839 a couple of friends, I suppose about how he had 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.800 denied the media some sort of request that the media 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.000 were making in court, and he was puffing out his 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.280 chest and quite proud of himself that he had sat 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.400 that little television journalist down back in her seat and 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.280 denied her requests. I'm listening to it thinking, if only 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.240 you knew how ticked off the majority of people are 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.640 with decisions that happened now Magistrate's Court, particularly relating to 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.480 youth crime. I don't think you'd be quite so. When 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.560 we get to the papers. There's a story on the 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.120 front page of tomorrow's Herald's Son where our former police Commissioner, 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.800 Shane Patten in Victoria had a potential solution to this issue, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.400 and we'll get to that later when we look at 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:12.760 the papers. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.160 Indeed, I particularly love it when the people who administer 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.680 our justice system get in the way with us knowing 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.520 what's going on in the justice system. It's great though 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.400 unfortunately one of my favorite magistrates in South Australia when 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.920 I was a court reporter there was then sent. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.120 Off to jail himself for alleged corruption. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.360 But anyway, at least you did a good thing by 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.400 us trying to know what was going on, including what was. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.080 Happening with himself. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.520 Speaking of what's going on, let's talk about the UK 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.160 where if you want to get paid more money in 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.160 the public broadcast, we've worked out how to do it now. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.080 I haven't checked whether this is the case at the 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.560 ABC here, but maybe we can deploy some people to 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.040 see whether it works. But it turns out at the BBC, 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.920 if you want to get paid more, it's very simple. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.520 You've just got to be a woman, disabled, gay or black. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.720 It is your free pass to getting paid more than 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.200 the people you work with, specifically if you are a 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.240 senior manager. Now, the BBC a few years ago made 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.760 a commitment that they would have quotas for people from 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.520 these particular groups. It was a fifty to twenty twelve target, 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.960 which meant it had to be fifty percent women at 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.480 least twenty percent Black, Asian or minority ethnic and at 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.040 least twelve percent disabled employees. So they've been hurtling fast 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.120 towards that number, and we see in their latest annual 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.240 report that if you're in one of those categories and 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.360 you're a senior manager at the BBC, you are getting 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.640 paid more than men, or non disabled people, or straight 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.520 people or white people at the BBC, because we know 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.280 that discrimination is good as long. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.599 As it goes to minorities. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.600 Women are paid five point seven percent more if they're 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.560 a senior manager at the BBC. Then men are disabled, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.719 senior managers are paid eight point four percent more than 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.360 non disabled people, Black Asian and other ethnic minorities twelveero 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.840 point six percent more, and if you happen to be 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:07.880 LGBT GOOPLUS you get a whopping fifteen point six percent 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.079 more than you do if you are a straight person, 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.719 which are tasso Is, the Deputy Leader of Reform UK said, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.520 top tip if you want to earn more at the BBC, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.840 don't be a straight white male. People should be appointed 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.000 and paid based on merit, not on their ethnicity or 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.520 sexual preference. Now I've told you all of these numbers 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.559 and they may well be staggering, but there is one 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.840 number I want to see in the next annual report 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.280 from the BBC. What do you get paid if you 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.959 are a disabled female who is black and LGBTQ. Surely 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.120 that gets your fifty percent more than anyone else in 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:39.480 the building. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.760 Are you become the chairperson of the bb sir? If 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.360 you fit that criteria? Imagine the BBC literally paying you 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.559 to be gay. You ask if this happens at the ABC. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.000 A friend of mine, this is some years ago, but 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.360 he worked at the ABC and he was applying for 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.439 a promotion and he was filling out the forms and 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.559 he told, you know, I have no reason to doubt him. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.240 He's not with the ABC anymore. That there was a 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.559 section of the form he had to fill out, an 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:08.839 internal form that asked what diversity characteristics would you bring? 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.200 And he was sitting there with one of his colleagues 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.200 trying to work out, what's my diversity characteristic? He wasn't gay, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.840 he wasn't female, he wasn't trans, he wasn't disabled. And 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.720 then finally he realized his parents spoke a second language, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.320 and so he put that down. That was the one 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.240 two about half an hour to remember, Oh, I could 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.079 use that, but literally he wasn't filling out his resume 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.040 in terms if he had this experience, he had these 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.160 abilities and talents. It was trying to work out what 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.240 is it about me that would tick that box? And 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.200 could you imagine any other industry. I mean, would you 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:47.120 fly on an aircraft where they said specifically we need 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.240 twelve percent to be disabled, or you know, twenty percent 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.240 to be Asian, Or would you go for surgery where 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.800 they had quotas for surgeons to meet certain diversity characteristics. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.360 And yet this is all through the UK. Just this 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.400 weekend the Krufts International Dog Show, which I've not heard 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.160 about before, Caleb, but apparently it's a big deal. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.800 Sounded like you're seen because a dog show in the world. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.400 They get nine million viewers, who's been running since eighteen 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.720 ninety one and Channel four. They chose Ellie Simons, who's 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.440 probably a lovely young lady. She's a paralympian and she 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.280 was selected to host the coverage of this massive dog show. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.680 And when the interview is done, as you know, she's 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.280 been promoted as the new host. She says, I actually 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.400 don't know anything about dogs at all, but I'm really 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.800 looking forward to learning about them. She was clearly appointed 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.920 because she's a former para olympian, nothing to do at 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.320 all with having any expertise to lead the coverage of 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:45.760 dog shows. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.280 And what a shame for all the people out there 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.480 who would have been qualified up the wazoo for that. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.120 Exactly for that very job. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.920 Love dogs have religiously watched this competition every single year 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.200 since they were a kid. You see how DEI breeds resentment, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.520 especially when it comes to light they're getting paid more, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:11.000 not because they're more skilled, not because they topped the pops. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:11.640 In the meritocracy. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.680 No because they're either disabled, a different color to you, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.160 or a different gender to you. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.239 It's simply unfair. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.800 Which is why DEI shoots itself in the face with 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.760 an elephant dit. No one is feeling warm and fuzzy 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.880 about diversity, equity and inclusion when you're the ones missing 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.160 out on that job promotion that you do deserve above 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.960 everybody else. You've been with the company longest. I cannot 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.720 tell you how many male mates of mine in their 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:47.320 respective sectors have suffered through this very process, seeing people 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.400 who haven't earned it, don't deserve it, are even relatively 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.440 new to the company have at no point during their 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:59.560 short tenure showcased skills being superior to theirs. I suddenly 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.359 shot up the food chain, and these white, straight blokes 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.720 are thinking, for heaven's sake, this is simply unfair, and 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:09.880 you want to force me to celebrate this. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:10.920 It's not going to happen. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:11.360 Because I couldn't. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.920 I couldn't think logically why any of these people would 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.880 be paid more than they're non disabled, or straight, or 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.960 male colleagues, etcetera. The only thing I can think of 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.040 is that as part of this drive to meet the quota, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.880 that they are giving attractive contracts to people to get 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.080 them to come to the BBC. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:30.480 Because why, I mean, you wouldn't just. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.760 Walk into any organization, would not you'd presume pay anyone 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.960 more than they could get away with paying them if possible. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:39.920 I mean, look, if I can walk into a room 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.920 and say hey, because I'm a woman, I deserve a 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:42.200 bit more. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:43.920 And like, ah, yeah, sure, I haven't. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:45.720 I mean, I don't think that's going on in any 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:50.160 boardroom anywhere. Surely it's because they were so desperate to 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.680 meet this quota that they were like, I'll just put 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.680 any number on the piece of paper if it means 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.080 I can meet my KPIs, which means I can stay 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.480 on the board and then I'm safe. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.120 And of course I'd be fascinated to know if the 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.920 BBC can define what a woman is. I mean, this 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.880 stuff is everywhere? Is us reading into the UK Telegraph 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.640 today an article was the front page of the main 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.280 part of their website was talking about how they have 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.840 decided the next James Bond will be a man, be 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.080 a man, and the headline. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.880 And British and come from a CommonWell a female. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.199 I I know it, guy, this was this was the 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.800 thing as Amazon's got the contract. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.720 Okay, you're going to be blad James and not the 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.119 male bit down. What are they going to do? 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:30.720 Who? 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:33.840 That's good enough? 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.400 Oh my goodness. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:40.280 To Syria now where finally, finally we are getting some 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:45.760 attention on the fact that two minority religious groups in Syria, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.720 the fall of the Assad regime was. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:49.720 Not a good thing. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.800 Oh my goodness, who knew? 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.040 This has been going on for a long time now, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.919 but finally it's getting some attention from the media because 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.399 since Thursday of last week, they're saying over a thousand 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:09.760 people have been killed, namely mainly Ala white Muslims and 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.080 Christians in Syria now, sources on the ground say it's 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.480 more like thousands. They're seeing bodies pile up in the streets. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.400 A lot of the footage that I've seen made available 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.880 on x by people there in the country is simply 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.200 far too disturbing to allow. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.000 Who would have thought that if you. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.159 Have a failed state pretty much run by al Qaida, 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.040 that's what we're looking at now. They are going to 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.640 turn on religious minorities. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:41.920 And massacre them. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:47.240 Trump's administration has rightly condemned this. Secretary of State. 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.960 Marco Rubio on over the. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.199 Weekend, released a statement saying the United States condemns the 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:58.159 radical Islamis terrorists, including foreigny Hardy's, that murdered people in 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.160 western Syria in recent days. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.360 As the United States. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:06.120 Stands with Syria's religious and ethnic minorities, including its Christian, Jews, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:11.120 Allyorite Kurdish communities, and offers its condolences to the victims 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:15.360 and their families. Syria's interim authorities must hold the perpetrators 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:19.880 of these massacres against Syria's minority communities accountable. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.440 Thanks for the word salad. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:22.719 You ticked the box. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:28.760 What are you going to do about it. Head of National. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.760 Intelligence, newly appointed Tulsey Gabbard, also had similar to say 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:33.679 in a Senate hearing. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.680 I shed no tears for the fall of the Asad regime. 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.440 But today we have an Islamist extremist who is now 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.679 in charge of Syria, as I said, who danced on 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.240 the streets to celebrate the nine to eleven attack, who 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:55.040 ruled over it, live with an Islamist extremist governance, and 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.880 who has already begun to persecute and kill and arrest 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.440 religious minorities like Christians in Syria. I understand why that 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:07.000 should be acceptable to anyone is beyond me. True certainly, of. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.280 Course they're in government now. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.720 So what they're not going to talk about was that 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.240 during Barack Obama's reign. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:14.920 This was a CIA op. 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:19.640 The US port a billion dollars, specifically into a project 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:25.720 called Project Timber Sycamore that funded terrorists, armed and trained 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:30.440 them to topple the Assad regime. Now, when Trump's first 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.440 administration came in, they. 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.120 Trashed that project. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.959 But these terror roups groups sat there like sleeper cells, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.159 waiting for the green flagged by their Neocon overlords in 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:46.200 the CIA. And when they got that green flag they acted. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:50.440 What we saw last December was a coup. You've got 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:56.880 all these competing agendas in Syria. The US wanted Zad gone, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:02.120 Israel wanted Assad gone, Russia wanted Asad to stay, and Iran, 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:03.879 of course wanted Assad to stay. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:04.880 And let's not mention. 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.600 Turkey, who also has its own agenda sharing a border 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.320 with Syria. So what we saw in December was a coup. 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:18.359 We're supposed to believe that fifteen hundred rebels literally overpowered 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.600