WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 7 July 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.240 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry, 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.280 welcome back. Hopefully it's a beautiful time with the family. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.200 So we all thought it, Now we know it. She 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.160 did it. Aaron Patterson has been found guilty on all 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:21.479 three counts of murdering after that meal, a meal that 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.079 we have discussed over such a long period of time. Now, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.040 I know you've heard most of the basics. I won't 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:27.880 go over them for you, but I want to say 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.720 well done to a few people here, including Victoria Police. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.680 A difficult case to put together, but one that became 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.919 clearer as they dug deeper, well donder them. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:41.199 Today three people have died, and we've had a person 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.720 that nearly died and were seriously injured as a result, 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.680 and that has led to these charges. I asked that 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:54.120 we acknowledge those people and not forget them the killer. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.200 And of course on this program, we don't name them 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.120 after moments like this. I do at the start of 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.880 the program, but I won't be doing it again because 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.440 focus should always be on the victims, not on the perpetrator. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.280 Did have a friend who was willing to not just 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.199 attend every day of the court but also today after 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:08.720 the verdict. 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.960 One loyal friend has stayed by her side throughout the trial. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.680 A silent anchor admit a tide of judgment. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:18.760 Ali. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:20.240 She said to you see you soon? 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:21.360 Were you hoping to see her? 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.560 I will see her now. There is a little bit 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.959 of information which you may well know by now, But 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:29.880 if for whatever reason, you haven't, I want to show 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.200 you that the jury knew, the courtroom knew, but for 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.080 obvious reasons, because the thing was playing out before a court, 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.479 we weren't able to show you. Here it is tonight 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:38.360 from Channel nine. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.279 In a hail Mary attempt to convince the jury, Aaron 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.280 Patterson sat in the witness box. She was up against 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:52.040 more than fifty prosecution witnesses and admitted to an avalanche 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:56.120 of lies, conceding she misled police when she told them 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.680 she had never owned a food dehydrator and had never 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.040 fourished for wild mushrooms. Her lawyers tried to argue it 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.680 was all a tragic accident and she panicked, telling the 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.519 jury she might be a liar, but she's not a killer. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.160 We can review where Aaron Patterson was held throughout the trial. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.640 She's been locked away inside the cells at the Morewell 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.600 police station and transported into the court through an underground tunnel. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.519 Good she stays in jail and hopefully will for the 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.000 rest of her lifele of find out what happens with 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.960 the sentencing in a couple of months time. But I 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.000 want to talk about some of the circus around what 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.480 has fast become one of the world's biggest stories. Now 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.880 little old Australia really actually makes the news overseas. But 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.640 as soon as this verdict actually became clear, it was 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.040 certainly the lead story in the UK, and IVE got 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.840 a couple of other mentions around the world. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.040 Breaking news coming from more well, from a court there 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.840 in Victoria, Australia, where the jury has come to a 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.480 verdict in the case of Erin Patterson. And the court 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:06.440 heard a lot about a piece of kitchen equipment, a dehydrator. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.400 And now after a ten week trial that captivated Australia 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.480 and the world, a jury has decided she poisoned them 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.800 on purpose. Now, as always, you know, I always like 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.680 to tell you how the sausage is made, particularly on 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.520 the media side of things here. And you know that 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.239 way back when before I worked on Telly, I was 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.080 working in radio and I was a reporter. So I 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.079 had been to many a courtroom and I have had 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.200 to do what I never envy reporters having to do 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.200 on a day like this, because principally no one says anything. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:40.840 Everyone's there essentially to cover nothing. Whatever the winning side is, 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.480 and it comes to a court, they might say something 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.120 very briefly, but nobody wants to bager up what has 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.440 just happened. Nobody wants to be in contempt to court. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.640 Nobody wants to ruin potential appeals, let alone of course, 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.200 the gap between when a guilty verdict is found and 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.840 when there is going to be sentencing, which means, despite 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.240 how serious this story is, I could not but help 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.560 but smile and have my memories of what it was 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.400 like to be a reporter asking questions over and over 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.960 again to people who were going to say nothing. It 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.960 happened on live TV today. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:11.880 Do you have anything to say? 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.200 What did Aaron Patterson have to say? How does she feel? 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:17.920 Will you be appealing this verdict? 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:24.240 Jess An, If you watch you, I know if you 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.560 don't ask, you don't get it well. Quite often the 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.280 asking of the question is what you end up on 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.120 the six pm news because there is no response. But 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.560 as always with a major news event like this and 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.080 one that people can see coming, as of course, a 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.440 court trial in multiple weeks in the many months before 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.440 all of that, the moment of a guilty verdict was 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.040 going to be one which unleashed a whole bunch of 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.960 hot takes. There were a couple that appeared in the 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.080 Channel nine newspapers, including this doozy which was from a 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.159 psychologist too. No matter how many times I read this piece, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.880 I don't think it's meant the killer, but was more 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:05.080 than happy to diagnose what the situation was from afar okay. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:06.680 But then there was the bloke I think used to 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.360 be a cricket writer but now of course opines on 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.440 many other things. Who hows this tried to make a 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:17.480 connection between this murder trial and Donald Trump because we 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.279 were talking about truth and of course that all meant somehow. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.360 This was some way of being able to link back 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.719 to Trump and specifically Kelly and Conway. He wrote today, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.000 in a strange way, the fixation on the mushroom lunch 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.240 trial was also a sign of hope. This is not 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.640 to overstate what it was for many just voyeurism. Yes, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.159 the public will never know as much as the jury 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.640 and should respect its verdict. But the Mushroom trial was 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.320 also a Civix lesson and how the criminal justice system works. Yes, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.320 it is possible that the full truth will never emerge, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.480 but this is how we learned to live with the 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:01.479 fundamental unknowns. The fixation shows that we still want to 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:06.640 sort facts from falsehoods. The specific case has no effect 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.960 on your life or mine. Our curiosity about the difference 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:16.120 between truth and lives, however, can save us all. Now. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.719 Whether these things are written in the fuller motion of 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.479 the day or whether they were sort of written in 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.560 the past few days getting ready for whatever this big 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.120 news day would be. But spare me the psychology from 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.960 hundreds of kilometers away and the idea that somehow everything 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.080 anything has to do with Trump. Look at work because 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.760 I clicked on the article, but I saved it, so 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.799 hopefully you don't. I want to give you an update 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.000 on what well was our fascination yesterday, and that was 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.559 this woman who got her arm torn off by a lion. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.720 The Darling Down Zoo is going to be reopening tomorrow 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.200 at nine am. Now we know that the woman has 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.960 been taken to hospital. She has lost her arm, but 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.880 she has not lost her life. We also do learn 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.480 a little more for hours later about exactly what happened here. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.920 Not an absolute clarity, but we got a statement from 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.120 the zoo today that explained exactly whom the person was 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.720 who had their arm torn off. The lady involved in 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.000 the incident is still in a stable condition in hospital 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.560 and is surrounded by members of our extended family. She 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.400 has lost her arm. She is not an employee, a keeper, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.560 or a zoo visitor. She's a much loved member of 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:28.280 the zoo owner's family. It's still has not been possible 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.680 to interview her to establish what led to this tragic incident. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.480 We can confirm that she was attacked by a lioness. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:42.280 She was not in its enclosure. It was not hungry, skinny, taunted, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.120 or torture. It's a lion. It comes from a long 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.120 line of captive born lions in Australia, but it's still 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.520 a lion, not a pet. We go on to learn 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.840 that the lion will not be put down now. Obviously, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.760 if there was even a serious bite involving a dog, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.520 we know what often the calls are, but for some reason, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.720 there will be no such decision. When it comes to 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.640 this line. Now again, I don't want the zoo to 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.800 shut down. I want people to still go and support her. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.200 There's no appearance of negligence here, but it is interesting 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.200 to find the information. The statement also added a few 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.560 sort of frustrations with the media and some of the reporting. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.520 Some who have been willing to speak in favor of 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:28.480 the facility is the Nationals leader and deputy Opposition leader today, 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.480 David little Proud. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.560 I actually live less than ten kilometers from the Darlingtown Zoo, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.280 and obviously our thoughts are with the family and also 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.960 with the zoo itself. Understanding that it will open tomorrow. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.320 It is operated safely for many, many years, and I 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.640 think we need to understand and appreciate the circumstances that 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.120 led to this before we make any judgment and allow 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:50.959 that to happen in the right environment. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.040 One hundred percent. And I am not wailing on the zoo. Okay, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.240 Hopefully further deeper examinations we'll find out. We'll find out 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.280 exactly what was happening here. But a couple of eagle 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.959 eyes have gone onto the zoo's website to have a 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.720 look at some of the experiences which are available at 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.880 the zoo again to this point in time, something that 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.600 has been completely safe. Remember this was a family member 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.480 of the zoo owner. It is not a member of 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.320 the public. This is one of the experiences. Now, you know, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.760 we've been up close and personal with plenty of animals, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.600 and again I don't want this joint to shut down. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.319 The Big Cats encounter for about one hundred and fifty 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.720 bucks is something that you can do. But the eagle 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.840 eyed people who notice the photo on the website of 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:38.440 somebody padding or tickling or comforting the lion may well 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.280 notice that the human hand is through the fence. Now, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:47.000 regardless of your experience, your familiarity, or anything else, why 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.920 would anyone be shoving their hand through a fence with 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.080 any animal like a lion? Now, I hope that photo 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.160 gets taken down change in the next little while. Again, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.280 I have no suggestion that the big Cannon chatter is 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.040 not a completely say experience, but perhaps modeling the behavior 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.720 that may may have been part of this is probably 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.800 not the best way to be advertising. What I hope 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.880 is a business that continues on. I repeat, anytime you 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.439 talk about animals, people's passions go through the roof. When 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:20.440 you talk about local tourism attractions. People's passions go through 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.640 the roof again. I just say we will learn exactly 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.240 what happened here. I'll tell you exactly what happened here, 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.960 because rarely in the media does anyone ever follow up. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.760 We all go Jesus and that terrible move on and 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.559 then in six months time you go, oh, that's right, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.240 that happened. Well, when we know more, I'll tell you more. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.439 But am I the only person in Australia certainly against 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.120 some megalod people in other parts of the media have 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.800 noticed it that photo? Can we see it just one 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.160 more time again? I'm not pretending to be any expert 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.680 with animals. I know zookeepers and if they want to 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.400 send me an email and tell me why this is cool, 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.000 please Pullets god onnews dot com do a you what 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.800 do you think? Is that a photo that should stay 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.480 or go? As I say, anything to do with animals, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.199 the feedback will be through the roof. Pullet's gone news 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.040 dot com dot Au good news. Hopefully we are on 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.840 the verge of tomorrow for those of us that are 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.040 trying to pay off our house. Now, I know any 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.599 conversation about a cut in interest rates is met with 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.240 a certain groan by people who are always on the 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.440 wrong side of the interest rate game, and that is 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.880 people that are trying to save money in their bank accounts. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.000 But for that third of the country that is trying 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.760 to pay off a house, and more likely more than 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.680 a third because they are trying to pay off an 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.640 investment property, the interest rates have been two over too long. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.719 It is time for the Reserve Bank, pardon me, the 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.400 Reserve Bank to cut them. And the expectation is that 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.240 will happen tomorrow. They will be having a meeting. We 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.800 all know there's a new board much more favorable to 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.720 the government. We also know that there's a press conference 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.520 where the Reserve Bank governor, who previously is so personally 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.480 blamed but never personally cheered on for the cutting of 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.640 interest rates or we'll all find out. They have their 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.559 meeting tomorrow and I believe it'll be announced on Wednesday. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.480 Warren Hogan was on the air a little bit earlier 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.240 explaining why now might be the time for yet another cut, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.319 and maybe a even bigger cut than normal. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.800 They were giving us guidance that they are happy now 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.280 to take the restrictive setting a way to get the 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.120 cash right down to about three and a half percent. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.480 The market has projected that to continue all the way 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.400 down to three One. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.120 Of the many reasons that I am always listening to 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.160 Warren Hogan, especially when he's on business Now that's at 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.960 four point thirty in the afternoon, straight before Chris Kenny, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.640 welcome back from your holidays, mate, and a whole lot 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.840 of other things. Well, Sorr, I think it's got another 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.480 week off anyway, you get my point four point thirty 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.320 five o'clock trying to plug while telling your story as well. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.559 One of the things I like about Warren Hogan is 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.760 that Warren Hogan is always open about just how realistic 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.240 we should be about the Australian economy. So that's the 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.720 reason why we probably get a rate cut tomorrow. But 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.520 this is the reason why we shouldn't get too fired 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:45.160 up about one. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.880 And although measured inflations come down to the top of 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.079 their target band when you get rid of the effective 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.160 subsidies and this sort of thing, the fact is business 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.280 costs are still running around five percent. The fallen inflation 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.320 has all been because of a squeeze on margin, so 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.360 there is inflation risks. The economy is holding up all right, 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.079 So there is a argument, a very valid argument. Well, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.520 I don't think the RBA board will take but that 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.720 you need to be cautious. The inflation's not gone, the 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:12.920 economy is holding up. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:13.719 You know. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.880 This is really what the Fed's doing, of course, with 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.080 this risk of tariffs. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.520 But if you're sitting down, I've got some news for you. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:26.160 A collection of economists, when surveyed today, almost half have 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.679 now said cost of living crisis, the one that we've 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.079 talked about for how many years, the one that we 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.040 have all been living for how many years? The one 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.480 that I thought would be more determinative at the federal 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.760 election but sadly was not. Well, apparently it's over. Apparently 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.160 everything's tickety boot. The extreme costs of everything that you 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.280 have been spending for the past few years, apparently all okay, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.920 let me read here. Has the cost of living crisis 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.760 finally ended? Some of Australia's top finance and property experts 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:58.160 certainly think so. Finder's latest RBA Cash Rate Report, which 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.800 surveyed thirty four experts and economists on future cash rate 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.200 moves and other issues relating to the state of the economy. Firstly, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.640 showed thirty out of thirty four or eighty eight percent, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.959 saying that we'll be the Reserve Bank rate cut tomorrow. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.240 It'll bring it down to three point six percent. But 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.040 what about this bit on the topic of cost of living. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:22.080 Almost half of the experts forty four percent, believe that 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:27.720 the cost of living crisis is over. Now, this may 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.360 be very technically true for a bunch of people who 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.760 are only looking at the numbers, and that's fine. That's 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.680 a whole bunch of people whose worldview is only about 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.520 the numbers. People in government, who of course get four 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.000 pay rises since the twenty twenty two election, a Prime 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.640 minister earning six hundred thousand dollars, the private jet, you know, 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.520 all of that business, right, many and most of the 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.760 people in the media that no interest. It was fun 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.720 to talk about for a little while until, of course 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.000 it may well have been a problem and dislodge the government. Therefore, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.240 let's just completely look the other way. But I often 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:58.680 show you a piece of tape that we have from 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.000 skyde News in the UK, because yes, okay, maybe month 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.160 to month we're back into that two to three percent range. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.360 Maybe quarter to quarter we're back in that two to 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.680 three percent range. But the reason why I smirk a 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.960 little at the concept of the cost of living crisis 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.720 being over is does anyone think anything is cheaper. It's 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.440 just the rate at which the increases have been going 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.640 up is starting to slow, but they're still going up. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.800 And when you compare your life in twenty twenty five 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:30.960 to maybe twenty twenty two or thirty nineteen, and even 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.960 the COVID pandemic, you know, there is a world of 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.800 difference in everything. It doesn't matter if you're buying a 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:41.200 universal remote control, a head of lettuce, or you're trying 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.000 to build your own home. You know, everything way more 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:49.840 expensive than it was in living memory. Again this tape 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.640 from Sky News about why while everyone else may say 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.600 the cost living crisis is over, you are not a fool. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.480 You are not a fool to have noticed everything costs 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.720 more than it used to and even when the growth 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.360 of it is just a little more compared to last month, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.640 it's a whole lot more from before this mob became 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:07.280 the government. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.880 Inflation is really just measuring the difference between that and that. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.720 And if you look at those two lines, you're talking 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.960 about a two point three percent change. That's the number 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.600 we're talking about today. But for a lot of people, 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.800 it's not about that. It's about the difference between this 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.520 and that. And when you look at the difference between 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.800 this and that, that's twenty percent. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.800 Yeah, one hundred percent, one hundred percent, even more on 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.240 certain items, and don't even start on things like insurance. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.320 Oh but that doesn't matter anymore. We're sucking up to 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.920 the Chinese and making the political advantage out of throwing 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:42.960 Trump under the bus. I'll get to that in the moment, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.120 but first, the opposition leader Susan Lee now I said 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.560 many times after the election that you don't just learn 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.680 a lesson, you need to be seen to be learning 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:56.160 a lesson. And certainly when it comes to Chinese voters, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.440 the one and a bit million Australian Chinese voters who've 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.400 a hated Liberal in twenty thirteen, in twenty sixteen, in 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.160 twenty nineteen, well they decided to dramatically change in twenty 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.359 twenty two and got even harder and Labour's way in 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.320 twenty twenty five because clearly, of course that then Liberal Party, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.800 under its previous leaders Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton, they 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.840 thought we should stand up to the CCP, and everyone 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.160 knows we're not talking about the citizens of Australia. We're 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:20.800 not talking about the people that have moved here. We're 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.600 not talking about normal Chinese Australians. No, we are talking 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.800 about the CCP. But of course it has been weaponized 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.440 by many, including some people acting on the behalf of Beijing, 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.160 to send a message to this community the Liberal Party bad. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.520 Why because Liberal Party is mean to China that they 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.720 deliberately have grade every single nuance that has been there 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.560 about discussing the Chinese Communist Party and the people who 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.560 live in China and the people who live here. Well, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.199 Susan Lee decided to try to be seen to be 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.680 learning a lesson here and again this is part of 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.960 a rebuilding process. And the reality is in Melbourne multiple 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:03.480 seats have dominant Chinese numbers of voters, seats like the 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.120 former Prime Minister's one in bene Long and Sydney dominant 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.960 with Chinese voters. So she says there was a need 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.919 for a course correction. So she went and met a 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.479 bunch of Australian Chinese leaders today and this is what 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.160 she said post meeting. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.680 Today was a very frank discussion. It needed to be 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.240 We didn't get everything right at the last election. We 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.640 needed to change course, course correct for the future. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.240 Now again, I am very consistent about a hardline and 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.480 I will never give up on that hard line of 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.960 the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, the government in Beijing. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.240 But I want to make it absolutely clear, absolutely clear 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.600 that any criticism of China is of the Chinese government, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.399 not of its citizenry. And if that's a point that 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.120 we need to put up in lights or say as 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.879 clearly as Susan Lee did today, then we're going to 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:52.879 say it over and over and over again. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:56.640 We didn't get it right, we didn't get the tone right, 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.640 we didn't always get the messaging right, and I want 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.239 to free acknowledge that we've turned the page. I am 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.600 a new leader with a different tone, different priorities and 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:08.879 a different team. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.119 And speaking of Melissa Macintosh, who is the Shadow Minister 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.320 for Women, she's a strong Western Sydney MP. Remember she's 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.480 on the seat of Lindsay. This is one that supposedly 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.280 always flipped when the government did, but she be at 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.680 high water or low water marks for the Liberal Party 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.200 keeps holding onto that seat around Penrith in Western Sydney. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:26.719 I want to get on the show as soon as 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.080 possible to have a chat just about not how she 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.920 held the line at the last election, but what her 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.320 advice is to the party for moving forward Now. She's 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.920 openly spoken about the issues when it comes to female voters. Again, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.399 whether you like the analysis or not, my view is 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.160 that if you have a look at the elector role, 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.800 twenty eight of thirty seats that the Liberal Party's lost 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.760 in twenty twenty two have by thousands more female voters 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:50.560 than male. So even if it's fifty to fifty, guess 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.520 what you end up in a scenario where the Labor 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.040 Party ends up with more votes. Now, she's had plenty 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.240 of discussions and we've spoken about maybe a need to 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.320 put people into the party administration. Again, I'm not pretending 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.240 to know how the party administration works, but use some 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.480 people from the business community to be involved in the 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.919 change of an organization, and organizations sometimes need to change. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.120 Perfect example, the wonderful version Australia Airlines. Remember they were 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.439 on the bones of their backside, bankrupt basically, and then 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.480 of course they were able to completely turn themselves around, 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.560