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Speaker 1: Let's talk about dog attacks, because this is just terrifying.

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Speaker 1: This happened at ridge Haven and a man has stepped

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Speaker 1: in to yes, save a woman who has been bitten

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Speaker 1: by a Stafford shear Bull terrier and a pit bull

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Speaker 1: as they attacked her young labrador I think it was

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Speaker 1: five months old or similar, and the dog was her

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Speaker 1: dog was badly mauled. She'd been bitten repeatedly. The rescuer

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Speaker 1: got a bite to his hand and just horrendous. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine that these two dogs, and they're not renowned

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Speaker 1: for being gentle attacking a labrador. When's the last time

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Speaker 1: you heard of a labrador attacking anyone? But there it

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Speaker 1: was this puppy labrador puppy being mauled. They were trying

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Speaker 1: to tear it apart. One had it by the front end,

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Speaker 1: one had it by its back legs, and they were

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Speaker 1: literally yanking at it. Apparently by all accounts I've read

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Speaker 1: this morning, doesn't sound good. Daniel Tropiano, We've spoken to him.

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Speaker 1: Is K nine relationship coach dog expert Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Matthew, how are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Just so sad that when we speak it's

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Speaker 1: after someone has been attacked or something has happened that

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Speaker 1: has resigned us having to chat.

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Speaker 2: I totally understand, and with the increase in occasions, I

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Speaker 2: may be a co host soon enough. I think that

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Speaker 2: this is again, you know, airing the importance of us

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Speaker 2: really sitting down and paying some attention to what's happening

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Speaker 2: in this industry and putting some things in place that

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Speaker 2: are going to put some more tighter measures on the

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Speaker 2: front end of dog ownership, because this reactive response all

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Speaker 2: the time, it's not fixing anything, and we're only dealing

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Speaker 2: with stuff after people are suffering this traumatic.

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Speaker 1: Experience, traumatic to say the least. Can you imagine twenty

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars finves the government has proposed for a

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Speaker 1: dog attacking a person or another animal, that legislation yet

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Speaker 1: to be in force. So but these dogs, they're registered,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it from the report, Council investigation is underway.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if police are involved. Obviously the woman

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Speaker 1: needing hospital treatment, the man it's well for the bite

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Speaker 1: he suffered, and the dog well has survived, but after

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Speaker 1: extensive surgery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I think what this points out is

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Speaker 2: that the fact that the dogs were registered technically the

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Speaker 2: owner is a responsible dog owner because they're doing the

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Speaker 2: thing that they need to do, and that's kind of

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Speaker 2: the minimum standard as long as your dog's registered or good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe you train your dog, maybe you don't, but the

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Speaker 2: rest is up to you. You just got to register,

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Speaker 2: register your dog, and we're happy. That's that's a flaw

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Speaker 2: in the system. I think. The other the other important

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Speaker 2: thing that we need to take away from this is

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Speaker 2: the training that council offices get around and around dogs.

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Speaker 2: It did mention in the article that the council attendance

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Speaker 2: was not that great, and that's not to put it

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Speaker 2: on the council range of these people go out and

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Speaker 2: do their jobs because they like giving back to the

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Speaker 2: community and helping their community. The problem is is that

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Speaker 2: the responsibility they're given to look after capturing dogs and

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Speaker 2: dealing with dangerous animals doesn't equate to the education and

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Speaker 2: the understanding of the animal that they have. Sore. Again,

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Speaker 2: the system fails everyone involved on every level, and we

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Speaker 2: need to start really sitting down and bringing some awareness

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Speaker 2: and getting people around the table from all parts of

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Speaker 2: the industry. Everyone that's involved with dogs and understands and

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Speaker 2: let's nut it out. Because until we get to a

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Speaker 2: proactive position, me and you are only going to talk

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Speaker 2: when children get bit or ladies and men whoever it is,

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Speaker 2: such as these vicious attacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So what you're basically suggesting is with the

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Speaker 1: registration of an animal, comes a dog, comes proper training

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Speaker 1: beyond just going to puppy school occasionally.

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Speaker 2: Undred percent. Look, we need to go through whe's look

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Speaker 2: at gun licensing for example, you need to go and

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Speaker 2: do a course. You need to do some practical aspects

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Speaker 2: to show that you can do that before you can

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Speaker 2: get access to a firearm. And why is that? Because

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Speaker 2: firearms can cause desk all right, dogs can also cause

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Speaker 2: death and they can cause serious injury. So why are

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Speaker 2: we not taking a similar type of regulative approach on

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Speaker 2: the front end of ownership to show that you understand

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Speaker 2: the responsibility you're getting into and understand what this animal

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Speaker 2: needs on a foundation level. And then we need to

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Speaker 2: start pushing for there to be regular training and building

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Speaker 2: these dogs to understand. I mean, you said at the

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Speaker 2: start that these dogs are renowned to be vicious. It's

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Speaker 2: only the fact that these stuffies are always only reported

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Speaker 2: on in times of when they're vicious. I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that it's not a breed thing. This is a

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Speaker 2: dog thing, and that's where we need to go. We

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Speaker 2: need to be more proactive.

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Speaker 1: Just to correct you, I think I said they're not

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Speaker 1: renowned for being gentle.

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Speaker 2: Gentle, yeah, that's the one, yes, y, yeah, but they

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Speaker 2: actually are loving breed. Well if we actually reported on

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Speaker 2: that side of things, well we see a different picture,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: But no, absolutely no, I have no doubt. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you know, look, there'd be thousands out there, and

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Speaker 1: thousands aren't doing this. It's just a few. But I

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Speaker 1: would say, Daniel, as I said also earlier, you don't

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Speaker 1: hear of labradors. When's the last labrador mauling that we

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Speaker 1: heard about? The breed of Look when we talked the

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Speaker 1: Jack Russell aside the one at Rosewater we spoke about

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Speaker 1: some months ago, which I mean they're angry little dogs anyway.

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Speaker 1: But the ones we tend to be talking about our

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Speaker 1: pit bulls, they tend to be Staffy's, they tend to

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Speaker 1: be you know, ridgebacks, they tend to be big, you

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Speaker 1: know dogs boy have got a huge pressure in their jaws.

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Speaker 1: You know. There's a pattern. Is where I would go

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Speaker 1: to on that.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And this is why it's more important

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Speaker 2: to these dogs. It's not the dogs that are at

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Speaker 2: their core. The dogs are who they are, and to

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Speaker 2: be a well trained animal, they need to be able

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Speaker 2: to understand who they are as a beast in an animal,

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Speaker 2: but be able to contain their emotions and control their

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Speaker 2: impulse control. That's when you understand that you have a

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Speaker 2: dog that is trained and they are more than capable

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Speaker 2: to do that. They just need the training to get there.

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Speaker 2: We've just got you know, we've got Mike Tyson out

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Speaker 2: there who's just let loose to do what he wants.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he's going to get into trouble. As soon

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Speaker 2: as he gets the right trainer and gets the right

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Speaker 2: structure and his life, he becomes world champion. Right, So

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Speaker 2: this is what we need to actually see these animals

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Speaker 2: for what they are. We need to get rid of

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Speaker 2: this false ideology out there that everything's cuddles in unicorns.

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Speaker 2: They're animals, they can cause harm, and we need to

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Speaker 2: really start taking a proactive approach that's going to deal

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Speaker 2: with the issues at hand, not reactively feel like the

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Speaker 2: Coffers when we find these people. That's even if they've

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Speaker 2: got twenty five thousand dollars to give. You know, what

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Speaker 2: are we going to do? Bankrupt them and put them

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Speaker 2: on the street. It's it's a bit of a show

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Speaker 2: piece for me if that's worth That's what I could say.

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Speaker 1: All right, Daniel, appreciate your time, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: No problem. Thanks Matthew, had a good one you

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Speaker 1: T Daniel Tropiano K nine relationship coach,