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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Massy. How are you going all right?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? What are your concerns here?

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Speaker 2: That's what their election commitment was people of faith around Australia.

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Speaker 1: And I imagine Catholic schools, Protestant schools, Church of England, whatever, Greek, Orthodox, Islamic,

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Speaker 1: All righty Mark, If people want to come along tonight,

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with the activists? What is their problem? Why

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Speaker 3: We made a choice to send them towards Catholic school.

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Speaker 3: Now our children, my wife and I are very successful adults,

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Speaker 3: And I don't want any too cent worth Green telling

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Speaker 3: for that matter.

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Speaker 1: Well, no one should have that, right should they. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: how much did it cost you, Keith? Did you ever

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Not enough?

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Speaker 1: Really? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Well for what I got, what I got. My kids

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Speaker 3: For God, they are amazing.

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Speaker 1: That's the Catholic guilt.

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Speaker 3: No, I know we're planning. We're not Catholic, we're not

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Speaker 3: even Catholic. Very good, we were given that choice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very good, Keith, thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: You're right, no one should ter vein in a parent's

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Speaker 1: with you. And I'm a product of a Catholic education.

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Speaker 1: We're not Catholic, but I went to a Catholic school,

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Speaker 1: My kids go to a private school. And that's the

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