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Speaker 1: And Whipper Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are very excited, you know why because we've got

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Speaker 2: an actual professional in the studio.

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Speaker 3: We no, okay mate, goody mate, Welcome to Australia.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: You were here in ninety seven, I was, I was

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Speaker 3: here a long outs timer.

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Speaker 1: There's old day.

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Speaker 3: There's an old saying too long between drinks.

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Speaker 1: Mate, tell me about we've missed you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, mate, great to be and you are here

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Speaker 2: as well. You're here for prideweight.

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Speaker 1: Here for Pride Week.

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Speaker 4: I'm here because Watch What Happens Live is airing next

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Speaker 4: day on Hey you, as well as a whole suite

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Speaker 4: of shows that I'm involved with, all the Real Housewives,

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Speaker 4: and a whole lot more. So I'm just kind of

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Speaker 4: spreading the word about that and enjoying all that this

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Speaker 4: great city has.

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Speaker 1: So you should.

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Speaker 3: Can we talk about your success with TV and TV

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Speaker 3: shows and the Real house think of.

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Speaker 1: A more interesting topic. Yeah, let's sell it and engage.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've done a bit of TV show pitching myself, right, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how's that for you?

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Speaker 1: It's going okay?

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Speaker 3: But you know what's tough the amount of knows that

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Speaker 3: you do get and people try and say, hey, every

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Speaker 3: not just puts you closer to a yes.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 3: Besides the great successes that you've had, how many shows

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Speaker 3: have you pitched?

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Speaker 2: Do you think?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I've launched many shows that have been bombed.

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Speaker 3: So you're the one slutely can you name one of them?

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Speaker 1: I can name so many.

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Speaker 4: The first show that I produced when I was an

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Speaker 4: executive at Bravo was called Battle of the Network Reality Stars,

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Speaker 4: and my concept was that the big stars of today

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Speaker 4: were reality stars and let's put them together doing kind

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Speaker 4: of these challenges. It was just a huge bomb. But

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Speaker 4: you know, we learn from our mistakes. Are every day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I started my career through reality television.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: I went on one of the first seasons of Big

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Speaker 2: Brother here in Austra really in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: And then do you make Love under the watch? No camera,

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Speaker 1: just the spa? Well, I think that's what those spas

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Speaker 1: are for. They're in there for a month. Look at FITZI,

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Speaker 1: he has needs? Can we drain that has needs? And

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Speaker 1: you do you know what he did?

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Speaker 3: He took the guy aside who he thought was going

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Speaker 3: to win, and when he thought no one was listening,

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Speaker 3: he tried to rig the competition to go halves in

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Speaker 3: the winner.

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Speaker 1: It was wrong with that? Did you end up winning?

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Speaker 2: He knew that I was never going to win, so

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Speaker 2: he knocked my he knocked my offer.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: And the guy was he went on to win, He

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Speaker 1: got the million dollars. Guess what where's that guy today?

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Speaker 1: And look at FITSI well, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, he invested really really well.

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Speaker 1: He's now worth thirty billion dollar.

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Speaker 4: And that guy is James Bury exactly.

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Speaker 2: He's gone on to do bigger and better things. I

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Speaker 2: admire you Andy, the reasons he and what's what happens

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Speaker 2: Live with Andy Cohen. We all know in this industry,

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Speaker 2: when you interview someone, you only get a certain amount

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Speaker 2: relationship with someone in that time.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: You walk that tight rope so well with getting people

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Speaker 2: to trust you and then you asking very personal questions

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Speaker 2: and extracting some very personal information.

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Speaker 1: That's what I gived Patty.

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Speaker 2: You did that take a while to do, Andy, it did?

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that for me.

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Speaker 4: The cool thing was I started my on camera career

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Speaker 4: interviewing real housewives. And when you interview a real Housewife.

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Speaker 4: The great thing is you can pretty much ask them anything.

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Speaker 4: So I think that I became fearless in that way

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Speaker 4: where I was like, Okay, well I'm going to ask

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Speaker 1: Meryl Streep is in my chair.

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Speaker 4: I feel a little more empowered where I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know what about this? So and I think that

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Speaker 4: it's the audience expects it of me. So I think

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Speaker 4: by the way, when people come and sit in my chairs,

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Speaker 4: they know that they're in for something.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, they're engaging with me. So don't come

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Speaker 1: if you're you know, scared. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean when you look at when you take a

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Speaker 3: show like Real Housewives, it would have been almost impossible

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Speaker 3: when people said, what's in the episodes?

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Speaker 1: What have you got?

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Speaker 3: Because the drama that naturally unfolds, right, you can't predict

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Speaker 3: a rot.

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Speaker 1: People say all the time.

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Speaker 4: You know, I still get tweets fifteen sixteen years into

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Speaker 4: this thing saying, you know, I don't like.

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Speaker 1: Her storyline this year. You guys should have come up

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Speaker 1: with something better.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, guess what we didn't come up with? Crap.

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Speaker 1: This is what it is, is what happened? You know.

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Speaker 4: I like it when people try to rewrite the narrative

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Speaker 4: as though there is a script.

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Speaker 1: There is no script.

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Speaker 4: The secret sauces in casting women who are highly dramatic.

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Speaker 2: Who's the most.

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Speaker 1: Brutal housewives out of all of them?

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Speaker 2: In your own brutal? In what Wayanan would throw anyone

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Speaker 4: Well? I think if people were just blindly throwing anyone

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Speaker 4: under the bus, that doesn't work because you need to

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Speaker 4: understand someone's motive. And if it's just arguing and wine throwing,

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Speaker 4: but there isn't any huge vanity or humor behind it,

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't still be going on.

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Speaker 2: Andy, We've got a game for you now, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Andy Cohen, are you ready to play?

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Speaker 4: Played?

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Speaker 1: I love it? Sorry, I mean you have a produced animation.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to give me three questions? And I

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Speaker 1: can plead the fifth to one? Is that the idea? Okay? Please?

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Speaker 2: Now, these are just three questions that I would like

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Speaker 2: to know from you. Is that alright?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Which guest on the show refused to play play the fifth?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good hushion. I don't think anyone has.

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Speaker 2: Refused because they know if they come on the show,

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Speaker 2: this is going to be there.

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Speaker 4: Well, they for some of them, usually the bigger ones.

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Speaker 4: And also what it is is we don't give them

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Speaker 4: the questions for play the fifth. So you've got someone

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Speaker 4: from Hill like Hillary Clinton coming on and we're saying

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Speaker 4: we're playing play the fifth, which is a highly provocative

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Speaker 4: and challenging game. And so we said, sorry, we do

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Speaker 4: not give the questions. And she answered and she did

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Speaker 4: not plead the fifth?

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Speaker 2: Good right, Christian number two? Which celebrity would you never

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Speaker 2: invite back onto the show?

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Speaker 1: Oh? She was?

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Speaker 2: Was there anyone that disappointed you, Andy, I think it's

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Speaker 2: more about me disappointing that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think I disappointed Deborah Winger, who's a great,

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Speaker 4: big movie star. I think she didn't like my She

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Speaker 4: didn't like my plea the fifth. Actually she was not

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Speaker 4: a fan. I was asking her to rank her kisses

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Speaker 4: And she's like, that was twenty years ago. Why would

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Speaker 4: I remember? I go if I kissed Robert Redford twenty

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Speaker 4: years ago, I would tell you everything about it, so

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Speaker 4: then I still have the smell of Redford ONCT.

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Speaker 2: How awkward is it afterwards after you finish that and the.

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Speaker 1: Camera a little bit nice? No, next time he's This.

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Speaker 2: Is the big one for me that I want to

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Speaker 2: ask you. And you see all of this in Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: But who advantage of this celebrity status more than others?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 4: What does it mean to take advantage of your celebrity status?

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Speaker 4: They take advantage of it in terms of trying to

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Speaker 2: You know, our culture is different to yours, though we

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Speaker 2: down for doing that. But in America it's lord it

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Speaker 2: isn't it if?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's lauded.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, like, hey, if I can get

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Speaker 4: a reservation at a restaurant, I have no issue.

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Speaker 3: Do you book your own reservations?

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Speaker 1: Existence that's good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean that is that right? Is that is that problematic?

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Speaker 3: In I try to get Tom to do all our Tom.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to tomboy?

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Speaker 2: Is there anyone else that Kardashians today or I mean.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it means to abuse your celebrity.

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Speaker 1: We have to parse that out and see what that means.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, are you trying to say which

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Speaker 1: Is that it? Can I say that word? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: mean usually people you have a reputation of being that way.

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Speaker 1: Usually when there's smoke, there's fire corner.

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Speaker 2: Have you had anything to do with James?

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Speaker 1: Not really, I don't know him.

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Speaker 3: And you can ask this question, yes, what a TV

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Speaker 3: show that you're surprised has had the level of success

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Speaker 1: The Real Housewives? I mean kind of.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's been going on like fifteen sixteen years.

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Speaker 4: When it started, we certainly didn't think there would be

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Speaker 4: ten iterations and it would be a juggernaut and I

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, what can I tell you? But

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Speaker 4: what others?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean you know that's one, that's a big one.

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Speaker 2: How long can you see yourself doing this for Annie?

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Speaker 1: As long as they'll have me. I'm having so much

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Speaker 1: fun and I'm so engaged. It's a blast. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's fun.

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Speaker 4: I always say about getting about working in TV. I

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Speaker 4: don't work in TV. I get to work in TV.

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Speaker 4: I think that it is kind of an honor and

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Speaker 4: a privilege to get to work in TV. And I

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Speaker 4: know that it will be taken away someday and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: But while I'm here, I love the right.

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Speaker 2: Well, enjoy enjoy your stay here, mate, and you can

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Speaker 2: stream brand you watch what Happens Live with Andy Cahn

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Speaker 2: only on how You. Thank you very much for coming over, mate.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate its fits you too, Whipper. Thanks, I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. You feel quated at home has a

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Speaker 1: brand new studio. It was a really nice studio.

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Speaker 2: It's really nice.

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Speaker 1: There's a smeller right in here, and it smells a

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Speaker 1: little like Whipper. But I expected that.

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Speaker 4: Because well that was just a little too yes, tom

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Speaker 4: of for it to aford. See all right, you're listening

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