WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 5 June

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Late Debase.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond

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<v Speaker 2>with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand, who is tonight wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a suit Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>By popular demand, I have removed the tie. People have

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<v Speaker 3>time not to get ahead of my chest. Don't be something.

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<v Speaker 3>And they said that, you know how they say, don't

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<v Speaker 3>dress for the job. You have dress for the job

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<v Speaker 3>you want. Everyone said, I'm not going to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know last time I got the chest here

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<v Speaker 2>out on the management told me to put it away.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was too many.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll have you know that the female viewers were

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<v Speaker 2>quite happy with it. Anyway. Some of what's coming on

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<v Speaker 2>the show tonight sound the Clacks and the a b C.

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<v Speaker 2>The lefty national broadcaster purer than the Driven Snow is

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<v Speaker 2>full of sex pests, will tell you about that. A

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Cook statue is for the chop this time down

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<v Speaker 2>in Tasmania. We'll get to that in the papers. And

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<v Speaker 2>a drag queen pro Palestinian protester what they think would

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<v Speaker 2>happen to them in Gaza. The rank stupidity, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think will surprise you. But first we've had a warning

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<v Speaker 2>today about the potential consequences of AI being wrought upon

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<v Speaker 2>the world without any regulation. A group of people who

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<v Speaker 2>have worked and currently work at open Ai, which created

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<v Speaker 2>chat gpt, one of the best known AI bots in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, has issued an open letter not only to

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<v Speaker 2>the company but of course the rest of the world saying, look,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a culture of secrecy at this company and that

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<v Speaker 2>they are moving forward very fast with the hopes of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to create a robot that not only is something

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<v Speaker 2>that you can talk to and ask at questions and

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<v Speaker 2>it delivers the answers, but a robot that would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do anything a human can do. Now, of

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<v Speaker 2>course this could have real consequences for the world. What

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<v Speaker 2>sort of jobs might we have if the robot bots

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<v Speaker 2>can do all of them? They basically warned us that

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<v Speaker 2>the world could look something like this. Imagine us going

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<v Speaker 2>to war with the robots. Something tells me we might

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<v Speaker 2>come off second best. Now, what Open Eye is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to create is called AGI artificial general intelligence. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment we talk about AI just artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference, of course with artificial general intelligence is the

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<v Speaker 2>general bit meaning stuff that a human can do. It

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<v Speaker 2>goes beyond just the ability of a computer to interpret

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<v Speaker 2>information and create answers and give you legal advice, the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of things that people use chat GPT for creat

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<v Speaker 2>images and all of this sort of stuff. But move

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<v Speaker 2>on to the realm of a robot being able to

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<v Speaker 2>fill your role, perhaps being able to cook, being able

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<v Speaker 2>to do the cleaning, being able to drive a truck,

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<v Speaker 2>drive a car, all of these sorts of things. And

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<v Speaker 2>you might be sitting at home thinking that sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>I want one of these robots in my house to

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<v Speaker 2>do the cooking and cleaning for me. But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very different proposition when they put that robot at what

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<v Speaker 2>is currently your desk and tell it to do your job.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a robot that had sorry, chat GPT installed

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<v Speaker 2>into it, showing how this might work.

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<v Speaker 3>Gret can I have something to.

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<v Speaker 4>Should thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Great?

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<v Speaker 4>Can you explain why you did what you just stared

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<v Speaker 4>while you pick up this trash.

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<v Speaker 2>On it? So?

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<v Speaker 5>I gave you the apple because it's the only edible

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<v Speaker 5>item I could provide you with from the table.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, good grief. If that is not weird, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what is. And soon enough they'll probably put

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<v Speaker 2>one of those in this chair. Here, and you won't

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<v Speaker 2>be watching Caleb Bond. You'll be watching whatever robot is

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<v Speaker 2>pretending to do my job.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's already happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually, no, no, I can assure you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know either of you are human.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a robot would say this, but I can

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<v Speaker 2>assure you I am a human. I hope that.

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<v Speaker 4>You must protest too much. That is what a crafty

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<v Speaker 4>robot would say, like what you two? You too, II,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the real We all know.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to II who smelt it, Delta.

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<v Speaker 2>They may well have already installed the chip in my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>But watching that robot, it is scarily real. It's even

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<v Speaker 2>got the intonations of a real person. It says ahmn a.

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<v Speaker 2>It's doing absolutely everything to give you the impression that

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<v Speaker 2>it is not a robot. It is the real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And what these workers and former workers from open ai

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<v Speaker 2>have warned is that because open ai is supposedly, according

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<v Speaker 2>to them, moving so fast to make this happen, it

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<v Speaker 2>could get so out of control that what they create

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<v Speaker 2>and what we end up creating overtakes us. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>good and well to have AI and robots while we

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<v Speaker 2>are in control of them, but we could well, create

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<v Speaker 2>a version of AI or AGI, which is what they're

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<v Speaker 2>moving towards, that is smarter than us, that can take

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<v Speaker 2>over from us, and well, what the hell are we

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<v Speaker 2>going to do after that? And what they allegedly is

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<v Speaker 2>in this open letter is that workers at Open AI

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<v Speaker 2>are actively told not to discuss anything that goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>They're told to keep it all secret. They have non

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<v Speaker 2>disparagement clauses in their contracts which effectively prevent them from

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<v Speaker 2>ever speaking out about this kind of stuff. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure AI is not the only company that's doing this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. You know. It's great. Technological advances have

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<v Speaker 2>done wonderful things for the world, devastating correct, But there

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<v Speaker 2>is a point that can come, and we're getting closer

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<v Speaker 2>to it, I think with the advent of AI where

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<v Speaker 2>the technology is smarter than us and we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what happens after that.

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<v Speaker 4>No we don't, but there's a lot of movies made

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<v Speaker 4>about it, so we can basically see the future by

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<v Speaker 4>watching those. But this is alarming when you've got insiders

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<v Speaker 4>who have worked on the technology and they're the ones

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<v Speaker 4>blowing the whistle saying, hey, we're scared that this is

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<v Speaker 4>getting out ahead we're scared that in pursuing this, it's

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<v Speaker 4>actually turned into something reckless.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you think about the amount.

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<v Speaker 4>Of jobs, and we've talked about this before, the amount

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<v Speaker 4>of jobs that will end up losing to AI. I've

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<v Speaker 4>seen a lot of people say, oh, well, I'm happy

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<v Speaker 4>for AI to learn how to do the cooking and

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<v Speaker 4>the cleaning so I can get on with other stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that I rather enjoy doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But even that is doing people out of jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk about cars that can drive themselves, Well, that's

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<v Speaker 4>six hundred thousand truck drivers in Australia done out of

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<v Speaker 4>a job right there. That's to say nothing of the

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<v Speaker 4>Uber drivers, tens of thousands of Uber drivers taxi drivers

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<v Speaker 4>in Australia. At what point do the people developing this

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<v Speaker 4>technology simply go, hang on a minute, the repercussions of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Even if we can have the perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Driverless car tomorrow, it's not worth it. We'll be doing

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people out of a job. Let's pull the

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<v Speaker 1>plug on this.

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<v Speaker 4>The economy wouldn't cope with that. These people would what

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<v Speaker 4>then just rely on the state for their bread and butter.

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<v Speaker 4>The repercussions simply aren't being thought through and in so

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<v Speaker 4>many sectors.

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<v Speaker 1>Already we're racing ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I'm not like put the kibosh on AI. It

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<v Speaker 4>is already proved very useful for certain things, especially in

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<v Speaker 4>the medical profession, but in many others.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's just like you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 4>The long term effects and going, we don't want that

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<v Speaker 4>for our society.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, how on earth would we cope.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have a choice. We don't have a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Elon Must says.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, It's coming, whether we like it or not.

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<v Speaker 3>We can try to regulate it as best we can.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if we try to do that, it only takes

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<v Speaker 3>one rogue element, one rogue player, and we've already got

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the people who are actually at chat, GPT

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<v Speaker 3>or open AI, who are already behaving in an unethical fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's going to stop them? Well, we're going to invent

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<v Speaker 3>another AI. But that stopped the AI. This is the problem,

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<v Speaker 3>deadly serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Though.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a thing called the Fermi paradox, which I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>you're familiar with. It was developed by Rico Fermi, who

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<v Speaker 3>is a very incredibly famous Italian American physicist, and he

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<v Speaker 3>took a bunch of his fellow physicists out to lunch

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<v Speaker 3>one day and he said, all right, but we've calculated

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<v Speaker 3>that there is an infinite probability of life outside of

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<v Speaker 3>Earth throughout the universe. Where is everybody? And they sat

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<v Speaker 3>down and they talked about and they realized that before

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<v Speaker 3>any form of life could develop interstellar travel, the technology

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<v Speaker 3>required for interstellar travel to cover the distances between galaxies,

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<v Speaker 3>say for example, or between solar systems, then it would

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<v Speaker 3>have to come up with the technology to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to destroy itself. And so every single even though there

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<v Speaker 3>is an infinite probability of an infinite number of species

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<v Speaker 3>just like us developing across hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

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<v Speaker 3>and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of years,

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<v Speaker 3>none of them have ever made contact with us, because

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<v Speaker 3>they've all blown themselves up first. And that is the

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<v Speaker 3>only rational explanation. And the best part, of course of

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<v Speaker 3>that is that in Rico Fermi was one of the

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<v Speaker 3>people who developed the nuclear bomb. So like, there is

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<v Speaker 3>nothing like how could Like Elon Musk has has blown

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<v Speaker 3>the whistle on this and said we need to look

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<v Speaker 3>at it. I would back in with my life and

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<v Speaker 3>quite literally, but this is you know, I mean, when

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<v Speaker 3>is are going to take you imagine, for example, and AI.

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing that AI will learn is that parable

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<v Speaker 3>that story that's actually happening. In fact, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>these human beings they're going to blow themselves up. And

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm going to apply my first law of my

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<v Speaker 3>programming to protect human beings at all costs, then I

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<v Speaker 3>have to stop them from doing that. So what does

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<v Speaker 3>the robot do. Then what does the robot do if

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<v Speaker 3>it thinks, oh, climate change is going to destroy the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to stop this from happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And even yeah, and humans are a cancer on the side.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen the future. Only twenty percent of humanity can survive.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I act now by wiping out fifty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of humanity, maybe half that.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's will they're programming. And what it comes down

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<v Speaker 4>to is the people programming it. And here we have

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<v Speaker 4>insiders going, don't trust them because we've seen, we've been there,

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<v Speaker 4>we've bought the T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys are reckless.

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<v Speaker 4>What's also really alarming is these brain chips that Elon

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<v Speaker 4>Musk love the guy, but he is a very passionate

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<v Speaker 4>transhumanist and has said literally has said, if humans don't

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<v Speaker 4>give into AI and get these brain chips that he's

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<v Speaker 4>working on. We're just gonna we are just going to

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<v Speaker 4>be outpaced by AI. We're not going to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to compete in any single sector. So he's talking about

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of brain chips where you imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a report that you want to give and there

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 4>You imagine a presentation that you want to make it work.

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<v Speaker 4>It's already good to go. Your brain has read it

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<v Speaker 4>and made it. The kind of thing where you want

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<v Speaker 4>to call someone you think it and they're already on

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<v Speaker 4>the line, and he says, look, all I'm doing is

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<v Speaker 4>removing this constant.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we're on them twenty four to seven. Elon Musk is.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, look, we're already androids, and he genuinely argues this

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<v Speaker 4>is as best as a direct quote that I can

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<v Speaker 4>come up with. But he says, humankind will become like

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<v Speaker 4>monkeys compared to the intelligence of AI, and therefore if

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<v Speaker 4>they don't keep up by going down this transhumanist route,

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<v Speaker 4>that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is that it's only by the virtue of

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<v Speaker 2>the intelligence of the human being that the intelligence of

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<v Speaker 2>AI has come to exist. And what we are creating

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<v Speaker 2>here is a device, a system, a robot, whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it, that will ultimately overtake us unless

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<v Speaker 2>we do something about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason we well, you can do something about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but the problem is that we've allowed it to begin

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<v Speaker 2>in such a way without any regulation, without any goal,

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<v Speaker 2>that we've just thrown it out to the world, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we will reap the consequences. And ultimately the consequences

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<v Speaker 2>of the intelligence of man creating artificial intelligence will be

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<v Speaker 2>the downfall of man. And look, that may be inevitable,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's bloody scary to think that we are so

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<v Speaker 2>smart that we actually, as you suggested, created the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that will alter nkling.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that is the firmi paradox, and that is the origin.

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<v Speaker 3>Well to put it in another way and cut out

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<v Speaker 3>all the ninety percent of the words too smart by half, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is the problem. And again and people think, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're so smart that we created the machine, so

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<v Speaker 3>he must be smarter than machines. Nah, Like, we're smart

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<v Speaker 3>enough to create a computer that can do you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that can do these enormous, incredibly complex mathematical sums. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Originally they were amazed when a computer could do these

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<v Speaker 3>things in a few weeks. Now, of course it does

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<v Speaker 3>it in a nanosecond. Now we were able to create that,

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't mean we can do those sums yeah in

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<v Speaker 3>our heads at that speed. So the idea that we'll

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<v Speaker 3>always be one step ahead of the computers is rubbish.

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<v Speaker 3>And again as soon as we teach those computers as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as we teach artificial intelligence to think for itself,

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<v Speaker 3>so instead of instead of just firstly, instead of responding

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<v Speaker 3>to our requests and giving it back to us, which

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<v Speaker 3>is already happening, or you'd be amazed how how prevalent,

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<v Speaker 3>how quickly that's spreading, including in our industry, or be

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<v Speaker 3>just impersonating human beings. But once you actually start to say,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, how do you you know, find a way

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<v Speaker 3>to do this, find a way to solve this problem.

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<v Speaker 3>So not saying I want you know a picture of

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<v Speaker 3>that describes Donald Trump becoming president, you're just saying, find

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<v Speaker 3>a way to make Donald Trump president. And once that

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<v Speaker 3>technology is it a place you can do that. There's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing we can do to stop it, and you can

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<v Speaker 3>regulate it all you want, but it just takes one

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<v Speaker 3>rogue agent to have the technology and the you know

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<v Speaker 3>it takes one rogue elon mask and there are plenty

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<v Speaker 3>of them at Open AI already. It seems to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>So these people blow the whistle, you know, say the

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<v Speaker 3>whole operation gets shut down. What happens the plot to

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<v Speaker 3>die hard for? They all right, well, fine, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Over exactly build my own line and.

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<v Speaker 3>They and we'll go from you know, from some rules

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<v Speaker 3>or not enough rules to no rules, and they'll just

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<v Speaker 3>do whatever they want and they'll have the better AI

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<v Speaker 3>than everyone else because they're the ones who are operating unrestricted.

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<v Speaker 3>It will just be just the same as when the

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<v Speaker 3>car replaced the horse and cart.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed, well am s radio share is in rapid decline.

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<v Speaker 4>Last sept it was reported that their radio share in

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<v Speaker 4>Melbourne had gone down by forty percent in Sydney by

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<v Speaker 4>thirty five percent in.

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<v Speaker 1>Just three years.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that is a noseedive in ratings by any metric.

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<v Speaker 2>But today we.

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<v Speaker 1>Read it's gone down even further.

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<v Speaker 4>In Melbourne, the station has dropped to a five point

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<v Speaker 4>six percent share, the station's worst since modern records began

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<v Speaker 4>in two thousand and four. People are voting with their feet.

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<v Speaker 4>They're sick of the woke nonsense from our national broadcaster

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<v Speaker 4>on the radio waves. It was also great to see

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<v Speaker 4>in today's results that two.

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<v Speaker 1>GB is back on top.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that was a great win. So they've ousted

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<v Speaker 4>Kyle and Jackie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well yeah, and TOGB keeps having that tussle in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>With you, I know, but it's a great day.

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<v Speaker 2>Go two GBA put forward. But you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>to record its lowest chair ever in Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 2>you're from Melbourne. I love THEREBLIC it is the People's

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<v Speaker 2>Socialist Republic. And in Melbourne they don't even want to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the ABC. Now, when I lived down there,

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<v Speaker 2>I would, you know, switch the dialar around and occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to pay attention to what the enemy is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do listen to the ABC a bit to

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<v Speaker 2>keep up with what they're they're sack. And I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the ABC down there, and this Sammy

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<v Speaker 2>J bloke they have on on breakfast. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a comedian. I've got to tell you the show wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>much chopped then you'd get. It was at Virginia Trioli

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<v Speaker 2>for for mornings. It was just insufferable it is so

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<v Speaker 2>insufferable that even the lefties of Melbourne don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to.

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<v Speaker 3>Virginia t since been replaced by Raphael Epstein, who was

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<v Speaker 3>apparently who.

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<v Speaker 2>Was He was the most sick aphantic suck up to

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Andrews during He was one of the only people

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<v Speaker 2>that and would actually front up and do a sit

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<v Speaker 2>down interview with What does that tell you about the bloke?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it tells you that what people say

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<v Speaker 3>and what people do are two very different things, and

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<v Speaker 3>that the zeitgeist in Victoria has been so utterly captured

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<v Speaker 3>by the humorless, entertainmentless, valueless left, which you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>am so concerned with policing language and forbidding any sort

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<v Speaker 3>of serious debate or any sort of colorful, colorful language,

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<v Speaker 3>that they can't produce anything except Soviet style dross because

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<v Speaker 3>if they don't, they either I become full victim to

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<v Speaker 3>the very loud outrage which they themselves have had a

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<v Speaker 3>hand in creating and rap. Epstein very very prominent on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he loves to get on there and provide

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of feedback to other people. Can I raf

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<v Speaker 3>how I am mate has gone? Well? Good? On your

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<v Speaker 3>buddy good mates. And again the ABC keeps saying is

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<v Speaker 3>caught in this pincer grip between it's hardcore hard left

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<v Speaker 3>Rah rah brigade who think that it's gone too far

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<v Speaker 3>to the right and literally everybody else in the country

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<v Speaker 3>who thinks that it's so boring and you know, urbane

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<v Speaker 3>and innocent in progressive, and that it's just unlistenable and unwatchable.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it tries to kind of, you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>sort of seems to sort of bop around like a

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<v Speaker 3>needle with this very narrow band with trying to please both.

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<v Speaker 3>It ends up just pissing both off, and then they

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<v Speaker 3>get louder and they switch off more, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing happens over and over again, and it's in

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<v Speaker 3>a death spiral, and I honestly feel sorry for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Q and A was based on the premise of

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<v Speaker 3>the audience being able to ask questions not just in

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<v Speaker 3>the room, but of course at home, and it's meant

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<v Speaker 3>to be this kind of whole new second screen thing

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<v Speaker 3>where you would watch it on Twitter, and you would

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<v Speaker 3>watch it on the TV, and you know, you'd type

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<v Speaker 3>your little comments and you might get up or you'd

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<v Speaker 3>be able to ask a question and invite me or whatever, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>and that it's become so toxic. Twitter has become so

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<v Speaker 3>toxic even for Q and A, so so psychotically left

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<v Speaker 3>wing that even Q and A can't handle how it is.

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<v Speaker 3>They've just had to shut down their social media altogether.

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<v Speaker 3>So they literally having to kill itself. It's literally had

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<v Speaker 3>to kill itself because the monster we talk about, the

0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Frankenstinian monsters, the monster it's created, has destroyed it. And

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<v Speaker 3>now now David Anderson has gone in estimates and basically

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<v Speaker 3>said it's not coming back. It's dead in the water.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I mean, this is what This is

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<v Speaker 3>the rod that the humorless urban left have created for

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<v Speaker 3>their own backs, and it's now just beating the Jesus out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny, isn't it. I Mean, if you create content

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<v Speaker 2>exclusively for the inner city, it doesn't rate. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>what people want to listen to.

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<v Speaker 3>They say they want to listen, and they partificate about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but they just don't switch on because it's boring. It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit like you ask people what they want

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<v Speaker 2>to read in the newspaper. Oh, happy staves, happy stories,

0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.959
<v Speaker 2>happy stories, and it comes up in all the focus

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<v Speaker 2>groups they do every time. I mean, you print newspapers

0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.679
<v Speaker 2>with happy stories in them, do you think people buy them? No,

0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:00.840
<v Speaker 2>they want to know the reality what's going on in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. It's in the ABC's charter that it's meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be providing content for all of Australia. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. And thank god you out there are not

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 2>moving with your feet, necessarily moving with your fingers. But

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<v Speaker 2>we also found out about the ABC today. The place

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<v Speaker 2>is full of bullies and sex pests. Now the ABC

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<v Speaker 2>is out here lecturing the rest of the world about

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<v Speaker 2>how things are going. That's why their ratings are going

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<v Speaker 2>through the floor in Melbourne and elsewhere. But a report

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<v Speaker 2>that was commissioned by the ABC into the culture in

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<v Speaker 2>its newsroom found that a quarter of people who responded

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<v Speaker 2>some seven hundred who work in their newsrooms said that

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<v Speaker 2>they had been bullied and that mostly involved intimidation, belittling

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<v Speaker 2>and humiliation. Some thirteen percent.

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<v Speaker 3>It might just have been feedback, we're correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Some thirteen percent also said they had been subjected to

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<v Speaker 2>sexual harassment. There's more than one in ten people at

0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the ABC says they've been subject to sexual harassment. Thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent of those, by the way, were men, so

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<v Speaker 2>they seem to be a bit equal opportunity in some

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<v Speaker 2>respects over it the ABC. But it was also interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to note that sixteen percent of them said that they

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<v Speaker 2>had been harassed at a work related event, and women

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<v Speaker 2>were twice as likely to be bullied than men. So

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<v Speaker 2>not only is the ABC full of sex pists, it's

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<v Speaker 2>full of misogynists as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Although you're quite right, Joe in making the point that

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<v Speaker 4>we know that the ABC is crawling with lefties above

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<v Speaker 4>all anything else, and they do tend to have quite

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<v Speaker 4>thin skins, so I'd love to know their definition of bullying.

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<v Speaker 3>There was an infamous survey that did the rounds a

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<v Speaker 3>few years ago that found something like seventy percent I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was of ABC employers identified as Green's voter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, so again, so the two There's two

0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 3>possibilities here. One is that Green's voters and inner city

0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.920
<v Speaker 3>progress Is more generally are far more likely to bully

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<v Speaker 3>sexually harassed people than the rest of the population at large,

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<v Speaker 3>the control group, or that the same people are ridiculously

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<v Speaker 3>over sensitive and feel that everything that they don't like

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<v Speaker 3>is some kind of microaggression or some kind of oppressive bullying,

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 3>misogynistic action. Either way, they're probably right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit like when I was chief of staff

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you go and tell it, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>know this quite well. I think you dodged you. You've

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<v Speaker 2>never been a chief of staff, have you dodged? No.

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<v Speaker 3>They tried to get them to do it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>managed to avoid it through a very cunning plan of

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:35.720
<v Speaker 3>sheer incompetence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, it was before I was meant to start, and

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<v Speaker 3>at the last minute I went, actually, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, but you know, you hear the stories of the

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<v Speaker 2>old days in newsrooms and newspapers and everywhere in news basically,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know if you did something wrong with the

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:52.199
<v Speaker 2>editor or the chief of staff had come out of

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.680
<v Speaker 2>their office and throw a something quite heavy at your

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 2>head for doing so, because you can't get away with

0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that anymore. But you know, you've got a front up

0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:02.640
<v Speaker 2>to these people and tell them, well, excuse me, your

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.080
<v Speaker 2>story was totally wrong or it's just unreadable and they

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 2>don't like to hear it. But the sexual harassment thing, though,

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<v Speaker 2>just beyond the bullying. You know, when you've got thirty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of people at the ABC. That's a lie, and

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 2>he would have thought of all the places in the world,

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 2>the ABC would be really sensitive and on top of

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<v Speaker 2>about sexual harassment. We don't have any of this here.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a theory. And going back to your point

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<v Speaker 2>about so many Greens voters working at the ABC, A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the men in particular, who claim that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're feminists and they're all for equal rights, they actually

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<v Speaker 2>turn out to be the biggest misogynistic, chauvinistic pigs of

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<v Speaker 2>all because what they think is because I say out

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<v Speaker 2>loud how much I love women and you know we

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<v Speaker 2>should do more for equality, they think it just absolves

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.359
<v Speaker 2>them of any kind of sin and they end up

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<v Speaker 2>being the worst of all.

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<v Speaker 4>I reckon Channel Mind must have mocked their brows upon

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<v Speaker 4>reading this headline.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been coping some heat over allegations surrounding the departed

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Wick.

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<v Speaker 4>They would have been like, well, look here the ABC said,

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<v Speaker 4>hold my beer again.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to know what the definition of sexual harassment

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<v Speaker 3>is as well, because this could be another thing where

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<v Speaker 3>the ABAC has created the engine for its own their

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<v Speaker 3>own demid. Yeah, because again, in some surveys they've done

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<v Speaker 3>sexual harassment can constitute unwelcome looks.

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<v Speaker 2>So if everyone seems if you look at me like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sexually harassing me, don't look at sexually harassing me, Caleb.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, get bigger skin to the UK now where

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<v Speaker 4>just after Nigel Farage has announced his return to politics.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank god, maybe there's hope for the UK. Yet some lady,

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<v Speaker 4>some rando armed with a milkshake didn't seem to like

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<v Speaker 4>the announcement. But unlike the ABC staffers, this man has

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<v Speaker 4>skin like leather, so he immediately took to Twitter to

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<v Speaker 4>make fun of it.

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<v Speaker 3>My milkshake brings all the people to the.

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<v Speaker 4>Rally, which of course was his own spoof version of

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<v Speaker 4>this banger.

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<v Speaker 3>She brings on the voice to the God.

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<v Speaker 4>Ironically, you can't keep a good man down, Like, what

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<v Speaker 4>can I say?

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<v Speaker 1>The campaign's kicked off in some style.

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<v Speaker 3>Technically, isn't it his boys bring all the milkshakes to

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<v Speaker 3>the art.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was a lady Joe, so let's not just

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<v Speaker 2>not just not just any lady and only fans modeled

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, So I suspected this will.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that makes it more valid?

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, no, no, no, no, I think it may have ended.

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<v Speaker 4>Up that's the kind of persons who's outrage is a

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<v Speaker 4>badge of honor, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Something of a promotional exercise. I think in some ways this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is where the UK press shows us up though, because

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<v Speaker 3>they've gone to the trouble of determining what flavor milkshake

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<v Speaker 3>it wanana banana, that's right, And not only they have

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<v Speaker 3>banana in the coverage, but it's said in the report

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<v Speaker 3>what witnesses said was a banana milkshake, so they know

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<v Speaker 3>what it tastes like just by looking at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was yellow.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose you're telling me that AI isn't already here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, very very very good point. I mean, the great

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 2>thing about all of this is that it proves that

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 2>people like Nigel Farage, and it's the same every time

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<v Speaker 2>they go after Donald Trump, are actually human. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't get a good man down. They come out

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<v Speaker 2>afterwards and you saw Farage's response there, and it actually

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<v Speaker 2>creates more popularity, more support because people look at it

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<v Speaker 2>and go, well, you know, there's some dope over here

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>who throws a banana milkshake. What a waste of a

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<v Speaker 2>good banana milkshake at Nigel Farage, And he takes it

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<v Speaker 2>in his stride. It's actually good for him. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories online last night that Faraj had actually organized

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<v Speaker 2>it himself for exactly that purpose, But it reminded me

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<v Speaker 2>of a few other examples. Michael O'Leary is the sea

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 2>of Ryan Air over in the UK. Now, anyone who's

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 2>been over there and flown Ryan Air will know that

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>it is the most budget of budget airlines. But he

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>is a great supporter of jumps racing, so I like him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's won the Grand National before of course over

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK. But he just has this ability to

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<v Speaker 2>take everything in his stride. And people make all these

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>criticisms of his airline and say, oh the services, shit

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<v Speaker 2>hours and on and on it goes right, He just says, well,

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 2>what did you think you were getting when you paid

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<v Speaker 2>for a five pound flight? He rocked up to a

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<v Speaker 2>press conference a couple of years ago to complain about

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<v Speaker 2>EU rules that were going to restrict air travel and

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<v Speaker 2>the mission rules and all this sort of thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>this was the response he got from some protesters, we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>He then proceeded to do the press conference with his

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>face still covered in the cream part and he said

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<v Speaker 2>Joe to reporters that it was the first time environment

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<v Speaker 2>environed metal a sorry had ever given him a cake.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it was a vegan cake and that was

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 3>vegan crem But yeah, it just does my head. I

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 3>find all this kind of behavior it's really Firstly, it

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 3>plays right into their hands. When you're a minor party,

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<v Speaker 3>the one thing you desperately need to have any sort

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 3>of a shot. His attention is press coverage, and these

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 3>idiots guarantee they get it, which of course is why

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 3>smarter people think, well, it's probably an inside job. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think these guys are thugs, and I think they're

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<v Speaker 3>thugs when they do it to the right, and I

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 3>think their thugs when they do it to the left.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why I loved what John Prescott, the former

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Labor Deputy Prime Minister, did when someone tried to do

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<v Speaker 3>something similar to him. This is how you handle these people.

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<v Speaker 5>As he walked through them, a local man chucked an

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 5>egg at him, almost at point blank range. John press

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 5>Good immediately swung round and landed a punch street on

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 5>his jewel. The man then wrestled the Deputy Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 5>onto his back and held him down over a small

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<v Speaker 5>wool as police and Labor Party officials tried to release him.

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<v Speaker 1>A better bear. I'm not taking it from you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just the hardest protest, like that wanker egg boy

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<v Speaker 3>who did face It's like and then the next scene.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it is a form of assault.

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<v Speaker 4>So why shouldn't they be able to respond? Should and

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<v Speaker 4>with similar force to the Safety commissioner. Now, she's got

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<v Speaker 4>a few court cases bubbling away, but the one that

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<v Speaker 4>she had against Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll go at Twitter, it should be called X is

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<v Speaker 1>now dropped. She's dropped it.

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<v Speaker 4>She's realized she's bitten off more than she can chew

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<v Speaker 4>and she's no match for Elon Musk. But of course

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<v Speaker 4>this morning she wasn't dropping it without getting a few

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<v Speaker 4>knives in on the way out.

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<v Speaker 6>He issued a dog whistle to one hundred and eighty

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 6>one million users around the globe, which resulted in death

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 6>threats directed at me, which resulted in doxing of my

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 6>family members, including my three children. So I think with

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<v Speaker 6>great power comes great responsibility and exercising that restraint in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of targeting a regulator who was here to protect

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<v Speaker 6>the citizens of Australia, I will not be cowed by

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 6>those kinds of threats. I'm sure more will come, but

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<v Speaker 6>I'm here to do the right thing to keep Australians

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<v Speaker 6>safe online, to use the powers that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have, and in fact test the powers that I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, what she calls the dog whistle was simply

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 4>Elon Musk tweeting exactly what she'd done. So if that

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<v Speaker 4>constitutes a dog whistle, Lord help us all.

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<v Speaker 1>He was simply laying.

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<v Speaker 4>Bare the facts of how badly she had overstepped her powers,

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<v Speaker 4>which she's found out for herself. She says there, I

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<v Speaker 4>will continue to test my powers. May we continue to

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<v Speaker 4>show you the limits.

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<v Speaker 1>Of said powers. And lastly, none of us ask for

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>your protection. Lady, I will not.

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<v Speaker 4>Be called I will continue to protect Ie sensor Australians

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<v Speaker 4>around the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for nothing, Lady Billboard.

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<v Speaker 4>Chris, who currently has legal matters pending with Julie Inman

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 4>Grant himself shared a post recently saying, Hey, if.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in Australia, you're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see this.

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<v Speaker 4>Which of course got me to immediately switch on my VPN.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretend I was somewhere like Bulgaria and watch the video.

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<v Speaker 4>Here is what the E Safety Commissioner is using her

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 4>powers to ensure you don't see and in.

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<v Speaker 7>Today's edition of Melbourne doing Melbourne things, we have a

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<v Speaker 7>school in Montmorency, Montmorency that has its own queer club,

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<v Speaker 7>a primary school for years three to six. It was

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<v Speaker 7>signed off by the school's dual principles and it's facilitated

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<v Speaker 7>by this lady here, Trish Patsy Monroe.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the kind of staff our E Safety Commissioner

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 4>doesn't want you to see and exerts her power to

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<v Speaker 4>ensure that those in the country in which this school

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 4>is located isn't aware. Now, the story of the queer

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 4>club in a primary school, signed off by the principals

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<v Speaker 4>and targeting.

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Kids in years three.

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<v Speaker 4>To six aside the story here is the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>what else aren't we seeing? And why is something like

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<v Speaker 4>this something The E Safety Commissioner doesn't want you to

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 4>be aware of a queer club in a school. Why

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 4>would you try to censor that? Can't parents be aware?

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<v Speaker 4>Can't people of the public be aware? It's probably a

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<v Speaker 4>public school funded by the taxpayer.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that the school's trying to hide that

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<v Speaker 2>it exists either.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure all the parents who had kids at the school

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<v Speaker 3>would know. I imagine the reasoning behind the safety commissioner

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 3>would be that she would be worried that kids at

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 3>the school might end up being targeted as a result.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you get by that line of reasoning, you.

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Can make up excuses.

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 3>That would be the obvious. That would be her obvious concern,

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<v Speaker 3>And she was formerly the East Acty Children's Commissioner, so

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<v Speaker 3>that would be I think, you know, if someone is

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 3>posting that thing, and again they might not necessarily be

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 3>staying it themselves, must but a whole bunch of people

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<v Speaker 3>then bombard the school or whatever, or bombard the blah blah,

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 3>but just very quickly. Most important take home from that message.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pronounced Momorency.

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<v Speaker 2>As a former milvernion.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in the sort of out of recent suburbs, and

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 3>it is one of those hippie enclaves, and there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people there who never came back from Woodstock.

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<v Speaker 4>It is no reason why it shouldn't be readily available

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<v Speaker 4>on exactly and the.

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Danger here, of course, and we know that there is

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>a misinformation disinformation bill coming from the government which will

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 2>decide what you are and aren't allowed to say on

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 2>social media and elsewhere, including people like us here on

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Sky and using in the newspapers and wherever you know,

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 2>because someone else, a bureaucrat at AKMA, the communications and

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 2>media authority, gets to decide what is true and what

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 2>isn't And if you can stop something being reported on

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<v Speaker 2>social media about something that's happening as a school, I mean,

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>for heaven's sake, When I was a newspaper reporter, I

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>used to write stories about schools all the time, and

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>sometimes there were stories about things, stupid things that were

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 2>happening at schools. It starts with, oh, well, we don't

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>want that posted on social media, and then it becomes

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 2>we don't want that printed in the newspaper, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>want it talked about on television, don't believe it won't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move on to a piece of research that has

0:34:56.040 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 2>come out of Amsterdam. Some Dutch researchers have released a

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<v Speaker 2>study in the peer reviewed BMJ Public Health Journal which

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 2>looks into excess deaths post COVID and what they have

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>come up with is that it is legitimate and we

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 2>should be asking the question about whether COVID vaccines have

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 2>been involved in a market increase in excess deaths. If

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 2>you have a look at this graph here and this

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>is for New Zealand and Australia, it shows you the

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>number of excess deaths. Excess deaths of course being deaths

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<v Speaker 2>that we do not expect or are not accounted for,

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't happen. You can see the numbers there before COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you get to twenty twenty twenty twenty one and

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>they're still reasonably low. Then you have a massive explosion

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two twenty twenty three. The researchers said

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<v Speaker 2>this is unprecedented and raises serious concerns. During the pandemic,

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>it was emphasized by politicians and the media on a

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>daily basis every COVID nineteen death mattered and every life

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>deserved protection through containment measures and COVID nineteen vaccines. In

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the aftermath of the pandemic, the same morale should apply.

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Every death needs to be acknowledged and accounted for, irrespective

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>of its origin. Transparency towards potential lethal drivers is warranted.

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>They also said that simultaneous onset of excess mortality and

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>COVID nineteen vaccination in Germany provides a safety signal warranting

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<v Speaker 2>further investigation. And it is staggering, Liz that the lack

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 2>of curiosity that some people have had, and the researchers

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>aren't suggesting that the vax is the reason for excess mortality.

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 2>They're simply saying it's worth looking into. That's the point

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 2>of science.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed, in sentative a bit tied four times last year

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<v Speaker 4>to get an inquiry into our excess mortality. As of

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<v Speaker 4>December twenty two, it was thirteen percent, which was unprecedented

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 4>since World War II, in which case it wasn't a mystery.

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>We knew why people were dying.

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 4>But this research, which also says quote regarding previous research

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:08.840
<v Speaker 4>that has been done quote confirmed, they confirmed profound under

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 4>reporting of adverse events, including deaths after immunization i e.

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.720
<v Speaker 1>After people had gotten this particular jab.

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<v Speaker 4>It needs looking into. Our government's been dragging their feet.

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:24.879
<v Speaker 4>We finally have got an inquiry thanks to the persistence

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 4>of Senator Babbett, and we'll be hearing from that end

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 4>of August.

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 3>A lot of other reasons. There's very quick, but there

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 3>heaps of other reasons why their excess deaths we already

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 3>know about as a result of COVID measures, including things

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 3>like people not being able to or seeking out many.

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Government.

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 4>The government, by the way, has come out very strongly

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 4>saying there is there is no there is no evidence,

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 4>there's no.

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>There's no connection.

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 4>Here, but at the same time admitting they don't know

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 4>why we have this massive excess death rates. So common

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 4>sense tells someone like me, you can't say you don't

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 4>know what's causing it while saying but this is definitely

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 4>not causatately.

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's why it's worthy of investigation. As you noted,

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the Department of Health has denied that there is any

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 2>evidential link between these things, and the TGA has backed

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 2>them up on that, and of course they still recommend

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>that the vaccine is your best recommendation, your best protection

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.359
<v Speaker 2>against COVID. But these things are worth investigating, and that's

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 2>exactly what the scientists have said. Coming up after the break,

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.720
<v Speaker 2>we'll get into the papers, including a Captain Cook statue

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>down in Tasmania, which, much like others across the country,

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 2>is now apparently for the chop don't go away. Let's

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>get into the papers, starting with the Advertiser tomorrow. The

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Splash reads bandits dying wish at the same time, the

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>public Prosecutor was attempting to expedite the trial of accused

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Barkie Banded kim Alan Parsons essay Health has granted his

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>wish to take his own life. He has terminal cancer

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>and an anonymous source top the Advertiser that they were

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 2>disgusted someone facing trial had been approved to partake in

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the States Voluntary assisted dying program. They said, if he

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 2>uses VAD it won't be fair. Where is the justice?

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 2>And it reminds me of another case out of South

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Australia last year. Were a bloke by the name of

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Winston Day. He was a convicted pedophile, eighty one

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 2>years old. He's in jail. He had a terminal illness.

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>He'd abused to students in the nineteen eighties, so he's

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>got the terminal illness. He goes off and asks for

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the ability to off himself and he was given the

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.879
<v Speaker 2>right to do so. And I wrote at the time

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Advertiser, you know when you go off to

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>prison and noting that this bloke is accused, he hasn't

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>been convicted of anything, mister Parsons, that is, but you know,

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>a convicted pedophile sitting in prison does not have the

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 2>same rights as everyone else. That's why he is in prison.

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>And the Health Minister Chris Pickton said, well, you know

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>a isn't it has as much right to voluntary your

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>sister die as anyone else. I don't think he does,

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 2>and I would have thought that in a case like

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 2>this the prosecution would try to get some sort of

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 2>injunction to stop someone who is facing trial to be

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>able to have themselves killed.

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 3>This is where my inner Catholic comes out, because it

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 3>is just such a moral can of worms, as such

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 3>a Pandora's box, and there's a huge number of things

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 3>that immediately spring to mind. One is how many people, again,

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 3>facing these huge sentences or knowing that they're going to

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 3>jail for the rest of their lives, would instead decide,

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 3>all right, I'm going to access euthanasia voluntary sist to die.

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 3>We know that it's probably only a matter of time

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 3>before it extends to people with mental health issues, and

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:49.359
<v Speaker 3>it really does terribly I'm terribly, terribly depressed. Therefore, can

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.359
<v Speaker 3>you please do that? And then not only that, how

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 3>long is it going to be before people start to say, well,

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 3>you know what the cost of locking you up for

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 3>the next twenty years is pretty big bit of we'll

0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 3>give you a choice. You can take the needle or

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 3>the twenty years in jail. And again this is where

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 3>the minute you put a kind of the minute you

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 3>put death on the table and particularly a very secure,

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 3>peaceful guarantee nothing will go wrong death on the table,

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:17.240
<v Speaker 3>and say I'm not want to do that, then suddenly

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 3>you place all these other pressures. And then you've got

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 3>older people who think, oh, I don't want to be

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 3>a burden for my daughter who's taking care of me

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 3>when I know she's so busy doing other stuff. And

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know, I just worry about it.

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 3>In theory, I'm kind of all for it, but I

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 3>just worry about this slow creep to the point where

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 3>you get all right, how long is it going to

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 3>be before where you know, like ancient Greece and Socrates

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 3>is told to go and take a molk in.

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<v Speaker 2>The bath, and Canber as well. The Cambra Times is

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow long campaign INDs with tears. Voluntary assisted dying will

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 2>be available in Canber late next year. After the Act.

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:54.840
<v Speaker 2>You're simply exercised to write denied to it for twenty

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>five years and that was, of course because and the

0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 2>NT tried to do it as well, but because they

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 2>were tear trees, the federal government intervened and prevented them

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 2>from doing so. But it leaves New South Wales now

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 2>as the only place in the country that doesn't have

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 2>assisted suicide.

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the dominoes have fallen, the horse has bolted. Those

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 4>who are many campaign their hearts out to not see

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 4>this happen. I'd probably be more on their side than

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 4>anybody else's. We've now coined this phrase of dying with dignity,

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 4>like getting a state sanctioned jab in your arm and

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 4>ending your life is Oh, that's a dignified death as

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 4>opposed to suffering as people always have well if they're

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 4>unwell at the end of their lives, relishing every last

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 4>moment with your friends and family. I just think it's

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 4>a very dangerous path to go down. And we've already

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 4>seen this slippery slope that was demonized at the beginning

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 4>of this debate, which is, once you sanctioned death as

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:57.360
<v Speaker 4>a legitimate end of suffering, then who gets to decide

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 4>what's suffering?

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Mental, emotional, except and so on. Us about the Australian.

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, just turther to your point. You know I've never

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I haven't even lived with dignity. You want to die.

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 3>But I got very excited. But I saw the advertisers

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 3>front page with bandits dying wish because with my soft

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 3>short sightedness, I initially thought it's a bands dying wish

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 3>and I thought, what could this be the end of

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 3>the Party of Anti Semitism? How's that for? Yes, this

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 3>is a splash in the os tomorrow. Anthony Albanezi and

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Peter Darton have united to condemn, political and politically isolate

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 3>the Greens, accusing the minor party of exploiting the unfolding

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 3>conflict in Gaza to fuel division and undermine social cohesion,

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:46.320
<v Speaker 3>amid growing concerns for the safety of MPs and their staff.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.719
<v Speaker 3>Here here these guys are extremists, they're dangerous, they're appalling,

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 3>and the Greens well, I don't want them to die

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 3>with dignity. I agree it should be euthanat.

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I agree with all of that, and it's great that

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 2>the Prime minister's calling them out. But come the next

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 2>federal election, when it's highly likely that there will be

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:12.760
<v Speaker 2>a hung parliament, does given the opportunity to form government.

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Mister Albanese say the Greens are completely off the table

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>if that's his ticket to forming government.

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:21.240
<v Speaker 3>I can absolutely guarantee you that Labor is doing everything

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 3>in its power so that it will not be in

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 3>a position where it's in minority government Parliament. But it

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 3>may not be able to do that. But even so,

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 3>they want to form government with any independence or any

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:38.319
<v Speaker 3>parties except for the Greens and the Teals. So they

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 3>will go to people like Rebecca Sharky, they will go

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 3>to people like Kata before they go before they touch

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 3>the Greens or the Teals. That is how much. That

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 3>is how Labor feels about the Greens. The would rather

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.760
<v Speaker 3>go to the Cater Australia Party and Bob Cautter himself

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 3>than do a deal with the Green. It is very different.

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 2>They did that in twenty ten, didn't they. But still,

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's no guarantee.

0:44:58.440 --> 0:44:59.839
<v Speaker 3>They went to the Greens with twenty ten they signed

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:01.479
<v Speaker 3>a f Colson agreement, but they don't.

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm still not convinced that they wouldn't do

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>it again if if it delivers that everyone says the

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 2>government there is no there's no way that would sign

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 2>a deal.

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:15.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we will believe it when we see it, maybe

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 4>at the next election. To the front page of the Mercury,

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 4>now pushed to ban Cook.

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is sounding more and more familiar.

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 4>A monument to Captain James Cook on Brunei.

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 8>Is it Bruney Bruney Bruney Island, which was brought down

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 8>for safety reasons in twenty twenty two, could be permanently

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 8>removed following a wave of community backlash and concerns that.

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:45.720
<v Speaker 4>The memorial is quote insensitive end quote two Tasmanian Aboriginal people.

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 4>So are we supposed to believe that this wave of

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 4>community backlash because the papers love to refer to this,

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 4>are you seriously suggesting that the majority of Tasmanians are like, no,

0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 4>do not put this back up on Brunie Island.

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 3>I think this actually goes to the very heart of

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 3>the problem with people taking upon themselves to tear down statues,

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 3>or indeed, in this case, authority is preemptively tearing them

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 3>down to appeace community concerns, because of course, once they're

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 3>down and they can't come back, because just as you

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't put up the statue of Captain Cook today when

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 3>you're putting it back. It seems like a more aggressive

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 3>activist leaving it.

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, prove it, as I've seen many times before.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 2>The bloke was dead before the first fleet rocked up. Anyway,

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>after the break, a drag queen asked pro Palestinian protesters

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 2>what would happen to them overseas? You see the answer

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>sin what happens when a drag queen asks a pro

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Palestinian activist what would happen to gay people in Ghazal?

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 4>But this was a conservative drag queen Caleb asking a

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 4>queer for Palestine, and this was just round one.

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 9>Would you say your pro Palestine or pro Israel?

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Pro Palestine?

0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 9>As a game man, I would be punished and or

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 9>put in prisoner killed if I were opening the gain

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 9>in Palestine. How do you react to that?

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that.

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 9>So it is illegal to be gay in Palestine. You

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:14.839
<v Speaker 9>are punished by prison or dad Israel. No Israel has

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 9>gay pride. Israel is completely open to lesbian and gay people.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 9>Palestine puts them in prison or kills them. You were

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:22.439
<v Speaker 9>you weren't aware of that?

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:23.839
<v Speaker 7>I was not aware of that.

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>No, So who do you support now? Israeli Palestine.

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it great when you just watched them in real time?

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 2>Those cogs going over there in their head going oh

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>my god, I have buggered this up so badly. Because

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>of course, Israel is renowned as one of the safest

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 2>places in the world.

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I've been there, I've partied in Tel Aviv. That that

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 3>that country nice. All the guy clubs of Israel, a

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 3>lot of Tel Aviv. I don't know if you've ever

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 3>been at Tel Aviv is imagine if Bondi was a

0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 3>whole city that's Tellviv. It's like it's like Bondai Beach

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:06.319
<v Speaker 3>times ten, and everyone is just like super hot and

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.800
<v Speaker 3>super bath and supercart and yeah, it's very gay city.

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:12.319
<v Speaker 3>It's awesome. It was slightly less gay when I was there,

0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:17.759
<v Speaker 3>because obviously, I'm what year was this, two and twenty two.

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Joe was bringing up the numbers for.

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Busting and moves on the beach. Strangely, it seemed to

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:25.399
<v Speaker 3>clear pretty quickly.

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, funny about that, and they're not going to get

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 2>him to bust any moves here very quickly before we go.

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 2>A remote Amazonian tribe, two thousand of them, the manbo

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 2>tribe in Brazil. In Brazil, Sorry, they got hooked up

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>nine months ago to the Internet thanks to Elon Musk's starlink,

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and it turns out since then that they have become

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 2>hooked on pornography and they're getting lazy. One of the

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 2>tribe leaders said, quote, they've learned the ways of the

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.839
<v Speaker 2>white people, and now the men of the town don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do anything. They all layers around. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest example ever of what danger the internet has

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<v Speaker 2>wrought upon USh. We're talking about Ai earlier in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>These people over in the Amazon, they don't want I find.

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<v Speaker 1>This unspeakably sad. I find this incredibly heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 4>There is literally no quantifying the devastation pornography has wrought

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<v Speaker 4>on our culture and the relationship between men and women.

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<v Speaker 1>Across the border as a result.

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<v Speaker 4>And to know that these guys, untouched, pure beautiful people

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<v Speaker 4>have invited.

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<v Speaker 1>This perversions into their culture.

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<v Speaker 2>They Broughton, but that's the world we now live in.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next to a panisheet Panish show, I should say

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<v Speaker 2>good night