1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:11,401 --> 00:00:14,841 Speaker 2: Over the past few episodes, we met Lily, whose mum Katie, 3 00:00:14,881 --> 00:00:18,161 Speaker 2: went missing over twenty years ago in far North Queensland. 4 00:00:20,761 --> 00:00:22,881 Speaker 2: We spoke to the police officer in charge of the 5 00:00:22,921 --> 00:00:28,681 Speaker 2: investigation into Katie o'shet's disappearance. Over those years, there have 6 00:00:28,721 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: been two significant persons of interests. Lily's brother Alan was 7 00:00:33,881 --> 00:00:34,361 Speaker 2: one of them. 8 00:00:34,841 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: You know, he's never once attempted to contact, to my knowledge, 9 00:00:39,521 --> 00:00:44,201 Speaker 3: police and find out what's happening. He was a vasive 10 00:00:44,241 --> 00:00:48,401 Speaker 3: from the word go, and you know, probably the information 11 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:52,041 Speaker 3: he had at his disposal would have been of great 12 00:00:52,081 --> 00:00:54,961 Speaker 3: benefit to our investigation. But it's not to be. 13 00:00:59,361 --> 00:01:10,601 Speaker 4: You put the scare Carrie to the mountain, my friend. 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:24,481 Speaker 4: You see again, You're happy, happy, and that same. 15 00:01:26,121 --> 00:01:27,041 Speaker 1: Ah away. 16 00:01:35,041 --> 00:01:37,681 Speaker 2: For all of those years, Katie's little brother Danny has 17 00:01:37,721 --> 00:01:41,681 Speaker 2: never spoken about his mum's disappearance until now. 18 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: My name is Danny o'sha. I am the third child 19 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,441 Speaker 1: of Katie O'shay. This is the first time I've ever 20 00:01:48,481 --> 00:01:51,121 Speaker 1: done anything like this. I know Lily has been the 21 00:01:51,161 --> 00:01:56,001 Speaker 1: forefront of everything, so you know, I guess, you know 22 00:01:56,041 --> 00:01:57,521 Speaker 1: it's been a long time. I guess I'm more than 23 00:01:57,561 --> 00:01:59,921 Speaker 1: happy to you know, talk about it for a little 24 00:01:59,961 --> 00:02:02,601 Speaker 1: bit and have a different voice behind it. 25 00:02:02,841 --> 00:02:06,961 Speaker 2: So you may remember in an early episode, Danny's birthday 26 00:02:07,081 --> 00:02:08,881 Speaker 2: was nine days before Katie went missing. 27 00:02:09,481 --> 00:02:14,481 Speaker 1: So I just turned sixteen. So my birthday is December twenty, 28 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,081 Speaker 1: so not obviously nine days before it all happened. So 29 00:02:19,561 --> 00:02:22,201 Speaker 1: as it's well known that you know, mom went up 30 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,281 Speaker 1: for the birth of her first grand kid, which was 31 00:02:25,321 --> 00:02:29,641 Speaker 1: super excited about those new mom. She's really fiercely loyal 32 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: for us five kids. 33 00:02:30,641 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: Katie didn't have phone reception on the day of Danny's birthday, 34 00:02:34,401 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: twentieth of December. Danny remembers his last call with his mom. 35 00:02:40,481 --> 00:02:43,081 Speaker 1: So my last interaction with Mum would have been like 36 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: the twenty third or twenty fourth of December. She called 37 00:02:45,321 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: me to sort of wish me happy birthday and see 38 00:02:47,841 --> 00:02:51,721 Speaker 1: how's going on sort of stuff. And I just remember, 39 00:02:52,321 --> 00:02:54,641 Speaker 1: obviously I think, you know, one thing with Mum, she 40 00:02:54,721 --> 00:02:57,321 Speaker 1: cerentsly only had one rule, was just to call him mom. 41 00:02:57,761 --> 00:02:59,921 Speaker 1: And I'm a bit of a smart ass in a 42 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,761 Speaker 1: way sometimes and well I get it from m I guess. 43 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,041 Speaker 1: And on the phone she's just like calling your mum, 44 00:03:07,041 --> 00:03:09,361 Speaker 1: like not like the thought of a joke, and then 45 00:03:11,001 --> 00:03:13,001 Speaker 1: my list interaction with her hanging up with the phone 46 00:03:13,001 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: from me, which is angry about me not calling him Mum. 47 00:03:19,121 --> 00:03:22,041 Speaker 1: So you know that's I guess in a way, like 48 00:03:22,121 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: you won your last memory of you, you know, anyone coach, 49 00:03:25,001 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: you did good one unfortunately, and I wasn't the case unfortunately. 50 00:03:30,721 --> 00:03:37,641 Speaker 1: That's like, so when I first found out it would 51 00:03:37,681 --> 00:03:40,161 Speaker 1: ring on the thirteenth of January, so pretty much at 52 00:03:40,161 --> 00:03:43,161 Speaker 1: the same time when it was she was reported missing, 53 00:03:43,801 --> 00:03:47,761 Speaker 1: and I was in I was staying at John McKenzie's house, 54 00:03:48,521 --> 00:03:51,241 Speaker 1: and so I was in Boxville where he was living, 55 00:03:51,521 --> 00:03:54,201 Speaker 1: and I was thinking getting some food or saying I 56 00:03:54,281 --> 00:03:58,121 Speaker 1: get this text from Mum's from Loma, and I don't 57 00:03:58,121 --> 00:04:00,241 Speaker 1: know what exactly said. It was on the lines like 58 00:04:01,201 --> 00:04:05,201 Speaker 1: Mum's missing, I hope you're okay XX. And I just 59 00:04:05,201 --> 00:04:07,481 Speaker 1: remember I was walking the street and all like in 60 00:04:07,881 --> 00:04:10,601 Speaker 1: the street where I'm back to McKenzie's house, and I 61 00:04:10,641 --> 00:04:14,321 Speaker 1: was just like I was taking it back because like 62 00:04:14,761 --> 00:04:18,241 Speaker 1: you don't really know what to what to sort of 63 00:04:18,521 --> 00:04:20,641 Speaker 1: feel when you sort of hear that for the first time, 64 00:04:20,721 --> 00:04:23,081 Speaker 1: it was pretty numbing. And I just remember running back 65 00:04:23,361 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: to McKenzie's house. I was like, what's going on sort 66 00:04:27,361 --> 00:04:32,081 Speaker 1: of things. So it's a whole range of them, especially 67 00:04:32,081 --> 00:04:33,961 Speaker 1: as a sixteen year old kid, like you know, having 68 00:04:33,961 --> 00:04:37,121 Speaker 1: your mum there your whole life. She did like she 69 00:04:37,201 --> 00:04:41,841 Speaker 1: did everything for us kids, and obviously with dad, I'm 70 00:04:42,801 --> 00:04:45,841 Speaker 1: I'm estranged from my dad. I don't really have much 71 00:04:45,841 --> 00:04:49,841 Speaker 1: to do with and that's through choice, and so she's 72 00:04:49,841 --> 00:04:53,121 Speaker 1: done everything for us, and it's just it was just weird, 73 00:04:53,521 --> 00:04:55,401 Speaker 1: like you know, you just don't know how to take 74 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,961 Speaker 1: it the first time. And you know, as a kid, 75 00:04:58,281 --> 00:05:02,041 Speaker 1: like at that stage, like at the start of I 76 00:05:02,121 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: sort of struggled. I was starting to do just about 77 00:05:04,841 --> 00:05:07,881 Speaker 1: to do start my base eight so year eleven and twelve, 78 00:05:08,241 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: and you know that sort of affected me a lot 79 00:05:12,241 --> 00:05:16,281 Speaker 1: as a younger kid. Now I'm you know, unfortunately, I'm 80 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,041 Speaker 1: a lot better. But you know, like I think, for one, 81 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,561 Speaker 1: one thing for myself, I think, which really gets me 82 00:05:21,641 --> 00:05:25,561 Speaker 1: vice perspective, like there's so many more people worse off 83 00:05:25,561 --> 00:05:29,441 Speaker 1: in this world. For me, you know, I've got good friends, 84 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,041 Speaker 1: good family, I've got roof over my head, and I've 85 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: got it so much better compared to a lot of people. 86 00:05:35,721 --> 00:05:38,841 Speaker 1: So that's I guess that's how I sort of get by, 87 00:05:39,601 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: and you know, learning from my sixteen years have been 88 00:05:44,681 --> 00:05:49,641 Speaker 1: around my mum sort of treat how she went about 89 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: life towards other people. 90 00:05:50,801 --> 00:06:09,401 Speaker 2: So Danny realizes his mum was no angel, as has 91 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,601 Speaker 2: been stated before by police and even Lily. She was 92 00:06:13,641 --> 00:06:16,801 Speaker 2: a little transient, like she's like weed. 93 00:06:17,641 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: But I never really I never found out about like 94 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,681 Speaker 1: the heroine sort of stuff until the inquest. Like I remember, 95 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,921 Speaker 1: like at home in Melbourne, she'd have like these spoons 96 00:06:32,961 --> 00:06:34,881 Speaker 1: and needles and all that sort of stuff, and she was saying, 97 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,161 Speaker 1: it's subspider bite. Mum had a got bit bus byers 98 00:06:38,161 --> 00:06:39,961 Speaker 1: a lot, so she's sort of like if you got 99 00:06:40,121 --> 00:06:42,481 Speaker 1: like a supider bite. She sort of I got bit one. 100 00:06:42,561 --> 00:06:44,481 Speaker 1: She used one of a syringe and then sort of 101 00:06:44,561 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: sort of stucked it out like that. But yeah, I 102 00:06:47,001 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: wasn't really aware of the that the I guess, the 103 00:06:52,001 --> 00:06:56,441 Speaker 1: heaviest sort of stuff like heroin until the inquest, which 104 00:06:56,481 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: is a bit sort of taken her back because I 105 00:06:57,921 --> 00:07:04,241 Speaker 1: know how how bad that can effect you know, people 106 00:07:04,241 --> 00:07:06,481 Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff. So that was a bit 107 00:07:06,561 --> 00:07:08,801 Speaker 1: sort of confront him when I first found that out. 108 00:07:08,841 --> 00:07:12,441 Speaker 1: Because parents are pretty it's not a good drug sort 109 00:07:12,481 --> 00:07:12,681 Speaker 1: of thing. 110 00:07:12,761 --> 00:07:19,081 Speaker 2: So how close were you when your mum went missing 111 00:07:19,201 --> 00:07:22,801 Speaker 2: to your other brothers Allen and Tim. 112 00:07:23,481 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: We're always close, you know, especially liked him. We always 113 00:07:28,761 --> 00:07:33,561 Speaker 1: played sport, We played cricket, foot year tennis. Alan, we're 114 00:07:33,601 --> 00:07:37,041 Speaker 1: like Alan was sort of I guess the protector in 115 00:07:37,041 --> 00:07:41,641 Speaker 1: a way, and I guess when mum disappeared, it's pretty 116 00:07:41,681 --> 00:07:45,161 Speaker 1: much she was like the Gloys because after you disappeared, Like, 117 00:07:45,521 --> 00:07:48,841 Speaker 1: you know, Jim's been in a jail a few times. 118 00:07:49,441 --> 00:07:53,401 Speaker 1: I know he does. He's on icens, says my brother. 119 00:07:54,041 --> 00:07:55,401 Speaker 2: And how's your relationship with him? 120 00:07:55,441 --> 00:07:59,481 Speaker 1: Now? With Alan and Tim, I think I was. I 121 00:07:59,521 --> 00:08:06,761 Speaker 1: thought I thought Alan was in two thousand and maybe 122 00:08:06,401 --> 00:08:12,681 Speaker 1: he'd just been beaten up really badly. He got jumped 123 00:08:12,681 --> 00:08:14,841 Speaker 1: and pretty much got beaten too an into his life, 124 00:08:14,881 --> 00:08:17,081 Speaker 1: like he got my jumped baseball bats and all that 125 00:08:17,121 --> 00:08:20,841 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. And apparently he was very lucky, very 126 00:08:20,881 --> 00:08:24,921 Speaker 1: lucky to survive that. And I took him out to 127 00:08:24,961 --> 00:08:30,681 Speaker 1: the pub for lunch and that was it. And Tim 128 00:08:31,281 --> 00:08:35,121 Speaker 1: got nothing to do with Tim twenty seventeen, when he, 129 00:08:36,201 --> 00:08:40,041 Speaker 1: after his first stint in jail, came over to my 130 00:08:40,081 --> 00:08:42,681 Speaker 1: house on one time and had a few beers n 131 00:08:42,721 --> 00:08:43,921 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. And I think it was a 132 00:08:44,081 --> 00:08:46,041 Speaker 1: day or so later he's called me up and he's 133 00:08:46,121 --> 00:08:48,601 Speaker 1: like asking for money, and and I'm more more way 134 00:08:48,641 --> 00:08:51,001 Speaker 1: to work. I'm pretty much now at work and he 135 00:08:51,081 --> 00:08:54,441 Speaker 1: calls me up. So he got your money, I'm up, Yeah, 136 00:08:54,521 --> 00:08:58,721 Speaker 1: there's I've got some cash on my bedroom table. I 137 00:08:58,761 --> 00:09:00,641 Speaker 1: think it was a couple hundred dollars or whatever. And 138 00:09:00,841 --> 00:09:02,961 Speaker 1: my back doors open, so I had an apartment with 139 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:05,201 Speaker 1: the house mate. I was like, yeah, my back or 140 00:09:05,321 --> 00:09:09,521 Speaker 1: side doors open, so it took the obviously had the cash, 141 00:09:09,561 --> 00:09:11,721 Speaker 1: and then he found he found some more money. He 142 00:09:11,761 --> 00:09:14,321 Speaker 1: found some more pretty much crashed my house and might 143 00:09:14,441 --> 00:09:18,361 Speaker 1: robbed me and my housemates. So he found some more money. 144 00:09:19,161 --> 00:09:21,121 Speaker 1: I had a tablet that he stole, and then he 145 00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:24,601 Speaker 1: took my what my housemates watching his spare iPhone. So 146 00:09:26,081 --> 00:09:28,321 Speaker 1: ever since then, I've sort of dust my hands off with. 147 00:09:28,721 --> 00:09:34,001 Speaker 2: Him, and Daddy has not spoken to his brothers for years. 148 00:09:35,321 --> 00:09:37,921 Speaker 2: Lily has also struggled to get hold of Alan. 149 00:09:38,201 --> 00:09:42,481 Speaker 5: I tried it on a couple occasions to get him 150 00:09:42,521 --> 00:09:48,841 Speaker 5: to come and like to talk to the police, but 151 00:09:49,681 --> 00:09:54,961 Speaker 5: both times he refused, and his state of mind is 152 00:09:55,001 --> 00:09:59,161 Speaker 5: not what I would call from from my standpoint anyway. 153 00:09:59,161 --> 00:10:05,161 Speaker 5: His state of mind wasn't exactly stable, we'll say, and 154 00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:11,641 Speaker 5: he seemed a bit overly aggressive towards towards me. So 155 00:10:12,041 --> 00:10:14,801 Speaker 5: it's just it's better if I just stayed away. 156 00:10:15,081 --> 00:10:17,921 Speaker 2: Lily sent me a Facebook connection to her brother Allan, 157 00:10:19,041 --> 00:10:22,601 Speaker 2: so we reached out via Facebook messenger to see if 158 00:10:22,641 --> 00:10:25,161 Speaker 2: Alan would be willing to give his side of a 159 00:10:25,201 --> 00:10:30,681 Speaker 2: story that's lasted fifteen years. Alan isn't very active on Facebook. 160 00:10:30,841 --> 00:10:35,121 Speaker 2: He last updated his profile in October twenty nineteen, and 161 00:10:35,161 --> 00:10:38,081 Speaker 2: it's not one of the most complementary photos and actually 162 00:10:38,161 --> 00:10:42,681 Speaker 2: looks quite scary. Danny doesn't like my chances of hearing back. 163 00:10:43,321 --> 00:10:47,761 Speaker 2: I've reached out to Alan via Facebook via messenger and yeah, 164 00:10:47,841 --> 00:10:49,521 Speaker 2: good luck with that, and sent him a text what 165 00:10:49,521 --> 00:10:50,761 Speaker 2: do you think my response will be? 166 00:10:52,401 --> 00:10:55,881 Speaker 1: Good luck? If you do, I'll give you two hundred bucks. Yeah, 167 00:10:56,001 --> 00:10:58,361 Speaker 1: he's impossible to get a hold of them. 168 00:10:59,361 --> 00:11:04,921 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie O'Shea's disappearance feels like it's ripped this family apart. 169 00:11:05,761 --> 00:11:10,401 Speaker 1: Mum was the glue and since she disappeared, it's just, 170 00:11:11,481 --> 00:11:15,761 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things have happened between Alan Timmy. 171 00:11:16,441 --> 00:11:19,801 Speaker 1: I haven't really bridget I know, I think I think 172 00:11:19,801 --> 00:11:22,641 Speaker 1: she's I don't really speak to her much, but I 173 00:11:22,641 --> 00:11:24,921 Speaker 1: think she's doing okay. So she'd keep the head out 174 00:11:24,921 --> 00:11:27,481 Speaker 1: of trouble, which is good. But yeah, Alan and Timmy 175 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:32,281 Speaker 1: is sort of Yeah, they've gone down the wrong path 176 00:11:32,361 --> 00:11:36,321 Speaker 1: in a way. It's pretty shitty, but there's nothing you 177 00:11:36,321 --> 00:11:40,201 Speaker 1: can really do. You just try and do the best 178 00:11:40,441 --> 00:11:42,601 Speaker 1: you possibly can, be the best person you can be. 179 00:11:42,681 --> 00:11:45,361 Speaker 1: And I know, looking down, I know Mum would be 180 00:11:45,561 --> 00:11:49,081 Speaker 1: proud of what I'm doing. And yeah, you can't really 181 00:11:49,081 --> 00:11:53,361 Speaker 1: control anyone else. You can control yourself and do what 182 00:11:53,961 --> 00:11:54,761 Speaker 1: do the right thing. 183 00:11:55,801 --> 00:12:02,041 Speaker 5: I think that's it's definitely fractured us, but I think 184 00:12:04,321 --> 00:12:08,081 Speaker 5: it's it's not irreparable. 185 00:12:11,721 --> 00:12:11,881 Speaker 1: You know. 186 00:12:11,961 --> 00:12:14,361 Speaker 5: I try and be there for her, for all my 187 00:12:14,441 --> 00:12:20,721 Speaker 5: siblings because I love them matter what. So yeah, I 188 00:12:20,721 --> 00:12:25,801 Speaker 5: think it's just I think it's actually isolated us from 189 00:12:26,281 --> 00:12:27,681 Speaker 5: I guess the rest of the world a little bit 190 00:12:27,681 --> 00:12:30,281 Speaker 5: as well. We sort of we tend to keep people, 191 00:12:30,681 --> 00:12:32,721 Speaker 5: we all do. We tend to keep people a little 192 00:12:32,721 --> 00:12:33,761 Speaker 5: bit of an arms reach. Now. 193 00:12:34,721 --> 00:12:38,761 Speaker 2: Much like Lily, Danny also believes that foul play was 194 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:41,041 Speaker 2: involved in his mum's disappearance. 195 00:12:43,521 --> 00:12:48,921 Speaker 1: Oh, I know for a fact that nothing's happened. She's 196 00:12:49,001 --> 00:12:52,441 Speaker 1: not the kind of person that runs away like that, 197 00:12:53,001 --> 00:12:55,841 Speaker 1: especially from the main The main reason she was there 198 00:12:55,961 --> 00:12:58,161 Speaker 1: was to see the birth, be there for the birth 199 00:12:58,201 --> 00:13:00,521 Speaker 1: of our first kid. She's so excited about it, Like 200 00:13:01,801 --> 00:13:04,761 Speaker 1: it's definitely wasn't in her nature to run away like that. 201 00:13:05,121 --> 00:13:06,641 Speaker 1: Is it a nature to sort of disappear for a 202 00:13:06,721 --> 00:13:11,721 Speaker 1: nine or so do whatever, But definitely not in a 203 00:13:11,761 --> 00:13:14,201 Speaker 1: way that she just sort of disappear off the face here. 204 00:13:14,801 --> 00:13:18,241 Speaker 2: So she didn't disappear. Then you're thinking something on towards 205 00:13:18,241 --> 00:13:18,881 Speaker 2: happened to her. 206 00:13:19,641 --> 00:13:23,201 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, I can. I can put my life on 207 00:13:23,281 --> 00:13:27,401 Speaker 1: if something's happened. So I'm that certain that that's the 208 00:13:27,601 --> 00:13:28,441 Speaker 1: way that's happened. 209 00:13:28,601 --> 00:13:30,681 Speaker 2: And we've talked about this a lot in the podcast. 210 00:13:30,761 --> 00:13:33,721 Speaker 2: There are two persons of interest that the police have 211 00:13:33,801 --> 00:13:37,641 Speaker 2: looked at over the last fifteen years. One of them 212 00:13:37,721 --> 00:13:40,961 Speaker 2: is your brother Alan. Yep, how possible do you think 213 00:13:41,001 --> 00:13:41,521 Speaker 2: that is. 214 00:13:43,721 --> 00:13:47,361 Speaker 1: Kind of wind thing out? Really? I guess in a way, 215 00:13:49,561 --> 00:13:52,121 Speaker 1: as bad as this sounds, that Alan hasn't been very 216 00:13:52,841 --> 00:13:56,761 Speaker 1: cooperative with police. He was the last person to see 217 00:13:56,761 --> 00:14:01,201 Speaker 1: her alive, which means that something could have happened, And 218 00:14:01,481 --> 00:14:04,001 Speaker 1: I guess in a lot of not just misimpersonal case, 219 00:14:04,121 --> 00:14:06,801 Speaker 1: at the murder cases, the person who's been murdered ninety 220 00:14:06,841 --> 00:14:11,721 Speaker 1: percent knows from the time the victim nurs the person 221 00:14:11,761 --> 00:14:12,841 Speaker 1: who did it and. 222 00:14:13,001 --> 00:14:16,361 Speaker 2: The other person that interest is actually in jail right now. 223 00:14:16,401 --> 00:14:19,441 Speaker 2: His name is Frank Walk. He's in jail Western Australia 224 00:14:19,521 --> 00:14:23,801 Speaker 2: for rape and murder, which he's now appealed and he's 225 00:14:23,841 --> 00:14:24,921 Speaker 2: trying to get out of jail. 226 00:14:25,561 --> 00:14:27,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that, which is pretty awful. 227 00:14:28,241 --> 00:14:30,161 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Frank Walk. 228 00:14:31,441 --> 00:14:37,801 Speaker 1: He's definitely not a suspect. I know that he was 229 00:14:38,201 --> 00:14:41,801 Speaker 1: friends with my brother and I'm sure when my mum 230 00:14:41,841 --> 00:14:47,081 Speaker 1: would have gone up to Queensland previously, I'm sure I 231 00:14:47,201 --> 00:14:50,321 Speaker 1: heard that she might have met him like a party 232 00:14:50,401 --> 00:14:54,681 Speaker 1: or something. So he's definitely a suspect. So you know, 233 00:14:54,721 --> 00:14:59,961 Speaker 1: I know his crimes espectually the rape, knowing the story 234 00:14:59,961 --> 00:15:07,241 Speaker 1: of what he did was pretty heinous, and yeah, I 235 00:15:07,241 --> 00:15:11,441 Speaker 1: guess the way that if he was the person, it 236 00:15:11,481 --> 00:15:18,681 Speaker 1: would not have been very pretty. But yeah, saying I 237 00:15:18,921 --> 00:15:20,081 Speaker 1: just want to answers, and. 238 00:15:22,361 --> 00:15:25,081 Speaker 2: We set out to tell the story of Katie O'shay's 239 00:15:25,121 --> 00:15:28,561 Speaker 2: life and answer the question is she missing or was 240 00:15:28,601 --> 00:15:32,321 Speaker 2: she murdered? I don't know if that's any clearer now. 241 00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:38,641 Speaker 2: What is clear is the family needs and desperately wants answers. 242 00:15:40,841 --> 00:15:49,401 Speaker 1: Let me say what you know, she did everything for us. 243 00:15:49,521 --> 00:15:53,801 Speaker 1: She sucksficue so much for us kids, and you know, 244 00:15:53,881 --> 00:15:59,121 Speaker 1: to I guess have her gripped away in such sudden circumstances, 245 00:16:00,001 --> 00:16:01,801 Speaker 1: You know, you do think about it, As I was 246 00:16:01,841 --> 00:16:03,801 Speaker 1: saying before, when I was younger, I really sort of 247 00:16:03,841 --> 00:16:04,521 Speaker 1: struggled with it. 248 00:16:08,561 --> 00:16:14,601 Speaker 5: I kind of I feel stuck. I guess. I guess 249 00:16:14,601 --> 00:16:17,761 Speaker 5: it's sort of like pushing it. Like I always just 250 00:16:17,761 --> 00:16:20,201 Speaker 5: think it's pushing like a really heavy rock up a 251 00:16:20,241 --> 00:16:24,161 Speaker 5: really really really steep hill, and you're sort of struggling 252 00:16:24,201 --> 00:16:27,041 Speaker 5: to make it up, to get to the top. You know, 253 00:16:27,081 --> 00:16:29,561 Speaker 5: you take one step forward and then you just get 254 00:16:29,601 --> 00:16:33,641 Speaker 5: pushed right back down to the bottom. To bring my 255 00:16:33,721 --> 00:16:37,601 Speaker 5: mum home, to lay it to rest. No one deserves 256 00:16:37,641 --> 00:16:39,721 Speaker 5: to be buried in an anonymous grave when no one 257 00:16:39,761 --> 00:16:47,961 Speaker 5: knows who you are. That's and I mean, ideally I'd 258 00:16:48,001 --> 00:16:50,241 Speaker 5: like to bring her home and to get justice for it. 259 00:16:50,761 --> 00:17:03,681 Speaker 5: But I guess I want that person to end up 260 00:17:03,721 --> 00:17:06,481 Speaker 5: in a little page where I know exactly where they 261 00:17:06,481 --> 00:17:08,241 Speaker 5: are for the rest of their lives. I don't believe 262 00:17:08,241 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 5: in capital punishment. I believe in making them sit in 263 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 5: a jail cell because they've done to our family, They've 264 00:17:15,681 --> 00:17:17,641 Speaker 5: put us through a present. We can't do anything. We're 265 00:17:17,681 --> 00:17:21,361 Speaker 5: sort of serving a life sentence, so to speak. Dayda 266 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 5: are the same. 267 00:17:26,321 --> 00:17:28,921 Speaker 2: We'd like to thank Danny and Debbie Gifford for their 268 00:17:28,961 --> 00:17:32,521 Speaker 2: memories of Katie. I'd also like to thank Breck Divine, 269 00:17:33,041 --> 00:17:35,321 Speaker 2: who has spent the last fifteen years as a police 270 00:17:35,321 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: officer trying to find an answer for the family, and 271 00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 2: finally Lily Palminser, who has dedicated her adult life into 272 00:17:44,441 --> 00:17:50,001 Speaker 2: finding out what happened to her mum. 273 00:17:50,561 --> 00:17:56,321 Speaker 5: I'm now studying criminology and criminal justice from hairdressing. I'm 274 00:17:56,360 --> 00:18:01,001 Speaker 5: still hairdressing, and eventually I hope to join the missing 275 00:18:01,001 --> 00:18:05,921 Speaker 5: persons in the federal Police. I guess my one thing 276 00:18:05,961 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 5: that I've always wanted was to help other families that 277 00:18:11,321 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 5: have had to have gone through this as well, because 278 00:18:14,481 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 5: it's not that it makes it worth it, but it 279 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 5: makes it easier by doing it in Mum's name. I 280 00:18:21,681 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 5: guess rather than just sort of. I want to make 281 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 5: her proud, so I want to help people that I 282 00:18:30,201 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 5: have to go through this too. I wish I'd told 283 00:18:46,321 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 5: mum that the kind of mum that she was. I 284 00:18:50,761 --> 00:18:55,521 Speaker 5: wish I didn't take her for granted, and I wish 285 00:18:55,561 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 5: she knew how much I loved her and ironically how 286 00:18:59,441 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: proud of her I am. I just I feel like 287 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:11,161 Speaker 5: sometimes maybe I took over granted. I wish i'd told 288 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 5: her thank you for just being an awesome mum, just 289 00:19:16,561 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 5: to thank her for everything. There's not a day that 290 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 5: I don't think about it. 291 00:19:26,721 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 4: You open the sky, Carrie, pull to the mountains, my friend. 292 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:46,521 Speaker 4: You see the lookain wa She'll love me the wall, 293 00:19:47,001 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 4: She'll love me, and that'll save for you all the way. 294 00:19:59,761 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: If you know anything about the disappearance of Katie o'she 295 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: these contact Crimes Shoppers anonymously one three hundred, triple three 296 00:20:09,681 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: triples in it. Thanks for listening to this episode and 297 00:20:22,041 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: supporting this story. Independent storytelling that shapes the world is 298 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: what Podshape really cares about. 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