1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: From the newsroom a news still come today you. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: Hello there, I'm Andrew Bucklow and listen. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 3: We have got some cracking articles online for you at 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 3: news dot com dot au right now. My personal favorite 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: is one about a very famous singer who's revealed that 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: her teeth fell out mid performance. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 4: So last night I was on stage fills something pop 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 4: in my mouth and if you've been around you know 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 4: I've had a lot of dental surgeries and I have 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: a bridge in the front and it fell out in 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 4: the middle of my song. 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 3: If you don't know who that is and you want 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 3: to find out, just head to news dot com at 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 3: dot au. Now we're actually discussing something way more terrifying 15 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 3: than teeth falling out. In today's episode, we're going to 16 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: pull back the curtain on the most dangerous figures in 17 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: Australia's criminal underworld, from ordering suburban hits to controlling million 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: dollar drug empires. We'll tell you who these men are, 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: how they rose to power, and what they're capable of. 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 5: Melbourne's gangland war is threatening to explode. This seems to 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 5: be getting all out of control a little bit. 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 6: The unknown assassins used fake police lives and sirens to 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 6: trick their victim into stopping before unleashing twenty eight gun 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 6: shots in just nine seconds. 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: Three men arrested after bullets was frayed at the home 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: of a senior crime figure. 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 4: It's naked violence on Sydney streets. 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: There's certainly been no shortage of underworld attacks in Australia 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: in recent years, and one man who knows more about 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: them the most is Mark Butler. He's an award winning 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: crime journalist for The Herald Sun, which is part of 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: the news Court family. He's written a fascinating piece about 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: the most powerful and dangerous figures in Australia's underworld. 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: He joins me now to tell me all about it today. 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 5: Mark here going. 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: I'm very very well, thanks and I loved your piece. 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: One thing I found so interesting about it is that 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: a lot of the big crime figures who run things 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 3: here in Australia are actually based over How does that work? 40 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's been to be transitioned from ten years ago 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 5: certainly would have been very rare twenty years ago. Well, 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 5: the way it works is a lot of these people 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 5: have either had to head overseas because of deportation proceedings 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 5: or this warrants out for them from police. They're concerned 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 5: about being locked up here, so generally they'll head to 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 5: the Middle East and continue to carry out business there, 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 5: which is you know, with modern technology, it's it's quite doable. 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 3: And given they're over the seas, does that mean they're untouchable? 49 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: I mean, how are ossie authorities actually trying to reach 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: these guys? 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: Well, no, they're I think they're increasingly finding that they're 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 5: not untouchable. They're less touchable, but they're not untouchable. That 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 5: in recent years, there's been a number of this core 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 5: proceedings about these blokes. So I can't name them, but 55 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 5: big players who've been brought back. You know, it takes 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 5: a lot of complex legal maneuver and you know, the 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 5: cooperation of the jurisdiction they're in, but it does happen. 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's good to hear. 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: You've mentioned quite a few Underworld figures in your piece, 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: but I wanted to run through some of the ones 61 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: that stood out to me. If any of them are 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: listening and I get their names wrong, I do want 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: to apologize and advance. 64 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 2: You are not the people I want to piss off. 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: So now that that's out of the way mark, What 66 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: can you tell me about a fellow named Kazem Hummad. 67 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 5: Kazim Hammered is somebody who he's been somebody of note 68 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: in our underworld for about ten years. I'd say most 69 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 5: of that period he spent in prison on a heroin 70 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 5: trafficking matter. So were Asim Hamad really starts to be 71 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 5: a massive problem. He's probably, you know, you could argue 72 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 5: Victoria's most powerful criminal now is twenty twenty three. He 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 5: already has a strong base even though he's in prison 74 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: pride of that period. He's got a lot of followers 75 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: for one of a better term on the outside who 76 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 5: can work for him. But he is released from prison 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 5: on that heral matter and is put on a plane. 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 5: It's sent to the back of the Middle East. He's 79 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 5: Iraqi born. There's been a deportation ordered by the federal 80 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 5: government and he's out of here. So I think there 81 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 5: was probably a thought that he's going to be less 82 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 5: of a problem now, where he's become much bigger problem. 83 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 5: He immediately gets involved in there's a lot of money 84 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 5: in tobacco in Victoria at lict of tobacco, massive amounts 85 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 5: of money probably be and he decides he wants a 86 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 5: chunk of that. Some people who are not just commercial 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 5: enemies of his enemies are running that, and he decides 88 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 5: he wants in starts blowing up shops allegedly demanding standover money. 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 5: And the way that he can do it from over 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 5: there is he's got followers here, quite a lot of them. 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 5: There's been a number of cases where people have allegedly 92 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 5: gone into tobacco shops that weren't controlled by him, and 93 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 5: they'll take a phone with them and they'll put him 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 5: on a FaceTime call. So you're a kasham. 95 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 7: Ad on the phone looking at you from Iraq allegedly 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 7: demanding you know, maybe two thousand dollars a week or whatever, 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 7: or your shop is going to be burnt down. 98 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 5: It's a fairly difficult situation for those operators. 99 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: That sounds like a nightmare, to be honest. 100 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 5: We've got probably nearly fifteen hundred of these shops here now, 101 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 5: so you can imagine if he is doing that, even 102 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 5: one hundred to one hundred shops two thousand a week, 103 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 5: that's a lot of money. 104 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: It's crazy money. Let's move on to a fella called 105 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: Rafat a Lamdine. 106 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 5: Now rafut Ala Madeine is the head of the Alamating 107 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 5: crime family in Sydney. He's another one who's offshore. He's 108 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 5: been gone for two years. In the period in which 109 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 5: he's been gone, there's been a number of pretty serious 110 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 5: warrants issued for his arrest, so obviously had his reasons 111 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 5: for leaving. I think one of them relates to a 112 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: plot to kill a man called Ibrahim Hamsey, who'd been 113 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 5: Obviously they've been fighting the Hamsees for some years. And 114 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 5: there's another warrant regarding his alleged role in orchestrating the 115 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 5: murders of a couple of people back in twenty twenty 116 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 5: up in Sydney. Now he's very influential. They're a massive 117 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 5: family up there, obviously Ala Madines. They're hooked up with 118 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 5: the common Cero's allegedly very enmeshed in the cocaine trid 119 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 5: in Sydney. I note that of late there seems to 120 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 5: have been some challenge to their authority and the conflict 121 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 5: in Sydney seems to be flaring again. So he is 122 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 5: another one who's been able to run an empire, allegedly 123 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 5: basically working remotely. 124 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: Well, everyone's working remote these days. The third person I 125 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: want to ask you about is a man that is 126 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: referred to in your article as a smooth criminal. 127 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: His name is Jay Malcolm. Is that right? What can 128 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: you tell me about him? 129 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: Yeah? Look, j melcoun He's an interesting fellow. He's been 130 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 5: around in Victoria for a very very long time. He 131 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 5: sort of first came to public attention back in the eighties. 132 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 5: He's got a long herain stretch in wa After being released, 133 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 5: he came back to Melbourne. Well, I spend all that 134 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 5: time in prison. A very influential and for want of 135 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 5: a better term, within the underworld, fairly respected sort of 136 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 5: a person. There has been numerous attacks on him. He 137 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 5: came back and by by two thousand and nine he 138 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 5: was the president of the Common Ciro's in Victoria. He 139 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 5: later saw fit to move overseas. He went to Dubai 140 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 5: a few years later. Prior to that, he ran the 141 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 5: Spearmint Rhino strip club in Melbourne. 142 00:07:58,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I've heard of. 143 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 5: Somebody left and he's a very wealthy man. Was able 144 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 5: to resettle over in the Middle East and then ended 145 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 5: up in Greece, but that went awry in twenty nineteen 146 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 5: when somebody set off a car bomb. 147 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Former biking boss has been seriously injured in a car 148 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: bomb in Greece. 149 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 8: Malcoon had just left the gym here in the suburb 150 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 8: of Glafada. He came here at the same time every day. 151 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 8: The explosion set four other cars on fire. Luckily no 152 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 8: one else was injured. Malcom was dragged to safety. He's 153 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 8: now in hospital with serious burns. 154 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 5: In fact, he put out a book last year where 155 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 5: he very graphically describes what it's got to be in 156 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 5: that situation. It was pretty extreme sort of stuff. Anyway, 157 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 5: he managed to recover, he got himself back in shape. 158 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 5: He's back in Australia now and yeah, it's a bit 159 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 5: unclear what he's up to these days, but he's certainly 160 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 5: somebody who is I think listened to in the Underworld. 161 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: We'll run through more under World figures with Mark in 162 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: just a moment, including a mysterious fellow known only as 163 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: the Whisperer. 164 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back. 165 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: I'm chatting to crime journalist Mark Butler about the most 166 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: powerful figures in Australia's underworld. Mark, what can you tell 167 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: me about a man named Alan Mehan. 168 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 5: Alan Mehan is the national president of the Common Cheeros, 169 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 5: reportedly now they're very obviously very powerful OMCG in Australia. Look, 170 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 5: he's basically a guy who had a normal upbringing, Catholic schoolboy, 171 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 5: but ended up somehow into the world of biky gangs. 172 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 5: He actually was started started in the rebels and then 173 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 5: switched over to the common ceros, probably a time where 174 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 5: they were really starting to accumulate a lot of influence 175 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 5: and making a lot of money in Australia. He's more 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 5: recently been the subject of claims that is a big 177 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 5: money hit on his head. He's somebody who's still visible. 178 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 5: He was on their run, their national run in late 179 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 5: last year. Last year he was extradited from the Gold Coast. 180 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 5: He was charged with breaching a serious crime preventional. Now 181 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 5: that's something that's used by the police to try to 182 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 5: exert some control over They're not dished out Willy Nelly 183 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 5: over over larger targets. So yeah, watch this space with him. 184 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 5: The Commons heroes have been hit pretty hard in recent 185 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 5: years by various law enforcement operations, including the ANALM operation 186 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 5: where a number of them were picked up. They thought 187 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 5: that was a secure communications platform, but they were dealing 188 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 5: drugs on it. A lot of them were arrested, and 189 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 5: more recently down in Victoria, there's been a number of 190 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 5: key members picked up for homicides down here. 191 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: How an app brought down some of the world's most 192 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: infamous criminal mind to minds underworld networks have been exposed 193 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: and in part dismantled in one of the biggest stings 194 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: of all time. And it's all saying to an encrypted 195 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: messaging app that had really been created by police. 196 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 3: The last one I want to ask you about is 197 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: a very mysterious figure that you've referred to in that 198 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 3: great article that you wrote. His name is the Whisperer. 199 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 3: Tell me more about the Whisperer. 200 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been around for a very long time. He's 201 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 5: a man of enormous influence in okay an organized crime 202 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 5: and as you would see in that article, I'd spoken 203 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 5: to somebody who saw him at the casino one night 204 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 5: betting big and this person recalled that people were coming 205 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 5: up kissing his hand. He said it was like something 206 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 5: out of the Gods other movie. 207 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 8: Wow. 208 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 5: This bloke only later found who this man was. Now, 209 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 5: he's a bloke who started off for one of a 210 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 5: better term on the tools, did some high level crime 211 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 5: which would have impressed people in his sphere and probably 212 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 5: earned a degree of loyalty and he's worked his way 213 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: up from there. Yeah, he's an interesting fellow. 214 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly sounds like it. 215 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: We could go on all Daymark, There are so many 216 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: other figures you've named in your article. If people want 217 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: to read it, they can head to any of the 218 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 3: news court mass heads like the Herald Son of the 219 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: Daily Telly. Before I let you go, though, I want 220 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: to ask you. You've been covering crime for a very 221 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: long time. What is the most shocking gangland attack you've 222 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: ever covered? 223 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: Well, look, this is probably no single one. I've been 224 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 5: to a number where or written about a number of 225 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 5: ones which were carried out in front of children and 226 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 5: in public places. I mean they're extreme. You know. There 227 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 5: was Michael Marshall in South Era in the two thousands 228 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 5: during the Gang War of that period, was shot in 229 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 5: front of his five year old son as he got 230 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 5: out to open a gate. I think there was Jason 231 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 5: Moran and Pasquali Barbaro executed in a van with with 232 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 5: half a dozen kids in the back at a children's 233 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 5: footy clinic at Essendon during that period. The terrible, terrible cases. 234 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds awful. 235 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 3: Well Mark, I love all your articles. You've certainly right 236 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: across what goes on in the undworld here in Australia. 237 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: Thank you for all the work you do, and thanks 238 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: for chatting to news dot com dot. 239 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 5: You gonna choose Andrew. 240 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: Thanks again. 241 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: If any of those underworld figures are listening to today's 242 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: episode and I got your name wrong, I cecily apologize 243 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: the case seriously. 244 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: All right, I'll chat to you again on Monday. 245 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 8: Go bye, Follow or subscribe to from the newsroom wherever 246 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 8: you get your podcasts.