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Speaker 1: Five double a nice with Matthew pantalas well. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: some space as we do and from Astro Space News

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Speaker 1: Astro Day, We've got Dave Rennicky on the line. Dave,

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Speaker 1: how are you good to be with you?

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Speaker 2: Messiah? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 1: Now tell me tell me a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: telescope that I see on your website, and I reckon

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Speaker 1: this is the one we've talked about, this, this Chinese

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Speaker 1: invention that you absolutely love. You just give it a

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Speaker 1: direction in which way to point and find a planet

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and around she swings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be back on this back Okay, get a

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Speaker 2: bit carried away, but I'm going to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I've been in this play. Well i've been. It's about

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Speaker 2: fifty years now. I've had telescopes throughout thirty and I've

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Speaker 2: used all sorts of telescopes over the years. The thing's

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Speaker 2: held me back, and I think I haven't really wanted

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Speaker 2: to do Will you go and do astro photography? For

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Speaker 2: two reasons. One is very costly. It was very costly

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Speaker 2: to do that. You had to know about f stop,

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Speaker 2: you had to know about a film, and then you

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Speaker 2: have to know about digital and so many things that

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Speaker 2: just held me back. I didn't want to do that

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Speaker 2: because of the inconvenience of getting it all set up,

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Speaker 2: and by the gear. Now, the gear would have cost

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Speaker 2: many thousands of dollars there for a decent telescope. So

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, here comes this brand new Chinese invention.

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Speaker 2: Of course, c Star is Wstaar. Probably about six months

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Speaker 2: ago a friend of mine bought one of these and

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Speaker 2: showed it off at one of our night shows, and

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Speaker 2: I was absolutely dumbfounded. You sit it down on the ground,

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Speaker 2: it knows where you are. It works by all the

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Speaker 2: satellites in the sky there. You turn it on, it'll

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Speaker 2: tell you one of those. It'll tell you what it's doing.

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Speaker 2: It'll tell you it's synchronizing, it's locating, it's imaging, and

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden on the screen up comes photograph.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a photograph, but an image of what you're

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Speaker 2: looking at, or what is looking at. It is a

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Speaker 2: little telescope on its own, about the size of a

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Speaker 2: shoe box. Put it on a tripe. A little tripod

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Speaker 2: comes with it, but you put it on a larger

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Speaker 2: one if you want to. But honestly, I've never seen

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Speaker 2: anything like this. Every ten or twenty seconds, it'll image

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Speaker 2: the object again and again and again. It'll keep impressing it. Matthew,

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Speaker 2: you keep impressing the image, bringing the color up all

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Speaker 2: the time you're there. There could be there for three

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Speaker 2: or four hours, you might be there for twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: I've taken some remarkable photographs from this. I can't believe

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Speaker 2: what it's done, and it's become a decision actually have

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Speaker 2: two or three in the morning.

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Speaker 1: But really, I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 2: If anyone listening there wants to get involved with astronomy

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Speaker 2: and you don't want to go to the trouble of

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Speaker 2: having to get cameras and learn how to use, and

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Speaker 2: just buy one of these. Now it's going to cost

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Speaker 2: your grand it's not cheap, a thousand dollars. But then again,

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Speaker 2: you know, you go and buy a camera, you got

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Speaker 2: to buy a tyblephe. This will do it for you.

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Speaker 2: It'll save it to an iPad or your phone. You

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Speaker 2: can even sit inside in your lounge room and monitor

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Speaker 2: it from this brand. It'll do the work for you.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of on Facebook two. There's quite

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Speaker 2: a few pages that devoted to it, and I've seen

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Speaker 2: some remarkable photogress. I call it my little mini hubble,

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Speaker 2: So don't have a little on my website. I've got

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Speaker 2: a story about it. We're going to put some more

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Speaker 2: it's one of the brightest things and the best things

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Speaker 2: It's called Sea Start and there's a smaller version called

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Speaker 2: Sea Start thirty and Sea Star fifty. Like I say,

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Speaker 2: pack it up, take it with you at fifty into

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Speaker 2: a little bag and you don't need to know anything

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Speaker 2: about the night sky, and you're going to get some

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Speaker 1: Wow, amazing. That'll be good during an eclipse, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it would. It'd be perfect for that. And you

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Speaker 2: know they come out christy clear.

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Speaker 1: How about that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be fast enough to capture

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the germinid medial shower coming your way. By the way,

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Speaker 2: We didn't talk about this a few days ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: called the Germanids. Mats you. It's one of the better

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Speaker 2: ones of the year meteor shower December thirteenth of fourteen,

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Speaker 2: not just any medior shower. It's probably the one that

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Speaker 2: And the thing about this is it could have fireballs

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Speaker 2: So there you go. It's called the Germanids. You sit back,

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Speaker 2: it's hidd and miss don't blame move. There's none there.

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Speaker 2: you know, you've got to shift you're a ship worker,

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Speaker 2: you go to germanys is happening. It's the little tail

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Speaker 1: Alice has texted. She says, how fast are they traveling

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Speaker 1: when they hit our atmosphere?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. They come into twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: you see that street there, you're looking at something's about

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Speaker 2: And when they come in they slow down very quickly.

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Speaker 2: But before they slow down, they get super hot. Because

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Speaker 2: And when you see that trail there, that's the media

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Speaker 2: that's close, we're going and have a look for it.

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Speaker 2: Think on Nohov. It could be anywhere between. They're in

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Speaker 2: one hundred k. But the speed is absolutely phenomenal, these

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's right, So okay, Now Bob is saying,

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Speaker 2: As the way generally towards generally towards the east. I

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Speaker 2: But if you've got an app, look for the constellation

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Speaker 2: But I just generally sit back, make sure you've got

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Speaker 2: don't spend five or ten minutes there you don't see anything.

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Speaker 2: You might go inside and you'll miss out on the show.

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Speaker 2: But in the past we've seen lots and lots of

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Speaker 2: these things. It's probably one of the best three of

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Speaker 1: Okay. Bob was saying, Also, can we see it from

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Speaker 2: No, you can see it from anywhere as long as

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Speaker 2: you've got to clear view of the sky. But the

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Speaker 2: I'm impressed with the nice skydew over there compared to

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Speaker 1: All right, Where do they come from? We go through

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Speaker 2: It comes from an object called facing It is a

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Speaker 2: So some of them come from comets someday, but generally

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Speaker 1: Comet, asteroids, meteors. Is there a difference between them?

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Speaker 2: Good question that one. Yeah, a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: know the difference there. Let's have a look at the asteroids.

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Speaker 2: we call them that because they're massive. The meteor is

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Speaker 2: Meteors can be hundreds of meters in diameter. When they

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Speaker 2: break up they become a meteor bite coming through the sky.

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Speaker 2: It even means small. So meteor is a large rock,

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Speaker 2: meteorite is a smaller version, and an asteroid is a

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Speaker 2: parent body. And now comets are different. They come from

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Speaker 2: outside the Solar System. Asteroids and meteors come from the

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Speaker 2: asteroid built between Mars and Jupiter. But these comets are strange.

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Speaker 2: We don't really understand what commets are, but we know

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Speaker 2: that they're the bringers of life because in their heads

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Speaker 2: of comets, we've found not only the ice that gets

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Speaker 2: comets that have come through. They come from an icy

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Speaker 2: and the some pools of in from time to time.

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Speaker 2: There's actually millions, probably even billions of them out there.

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Speaker 2: This is the leftover flotsam and jets and if you will,

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Speaker 2: of the makeup of the Solar system five billion years ago,

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Speaker 2: Matthew and all that stuff was thrown out by a

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Speaker 2: centrifugal force after the mess was all clear and clearing

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Speaker 2: up and the planets were forming. But this belt of rock,

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Commets. Talking of comets, the Christmas Star are

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Speaker 1: that supposed to be a comet, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: No, the one, the one we call a Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know as in the biblical story.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. I can't wait to see what that produces. Graham

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Speaker 2: We've got a we've got a vehicle on its way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been by quite a few people. Now you're right,

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're looking for, all right, Layton in

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Speaker 2: See what Letton, Well, are you looking for your showers

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Speaker 1: It, though we've been having Yeah, you had some rain

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Speaker 1: Gay, good on your late and good to hear from

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, that's it, Dave. Look, it's been

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Speaker 1: It's been great. So I have a great Christmas and

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Speaker 2: All the best to you and yours and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Dave, Renicke Astro Space News