1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:01,759 Speaker 1: We've closed. 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: Are you ready? Okay? 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Great? 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 3: If you're anything like me, sometimes you'll look at your 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 3: list of regular podcasts and think I hate all these 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 3: shows except the Front. Of course, when that happens to me, 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 3: I turn for advice to Kristen Amiot, who sits next 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: to me at work and is the producer of the Front. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: She also happens to be a bona fide podcast expert. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 3: She writes our podcast a review column in The Australian 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: every Saturday, and today she joins me to talk about 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: the best podcasts of twenty twenty four and the best 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 3: of all time. What were the big trends do you 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: think in podcasting in twenty twenty four? 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four was the year that podcasts really emerged 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: as a bona fide political force. I think that's significant 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: because podcasts pop culture adjacency, I think has caused them 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: to be discounted by traditional media, but also to be 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: lumped in with social media in the sense that there 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: was a belief for a very long time that anybody 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: could whack on a voice memo and call it a podcast. 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: We do know that podcasts are an incredibly intimate medium. 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: You're quite literally in people's ears. You're with them while 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: they're gardening or cooking or doing the school drop off. 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: And we know that people retain and comprehend information differently, 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily better, but differently when they listen to a podcast. 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: All of those things are the reason that we saw 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: podcasts in particular have such a significant impact or presence 29 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: in the recent US election. We saw Donald Trump on 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's podcast, which has been and still is one 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: of the biggest podcasts in the world. 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: All right for Roland, here we go. 33 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: We saw Kamla Harris appear on Alex Cooper's podcast, called 34 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: Her Daddy, Daddy, Madam Vice President Alex welcome to call 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: her daddy. It is good to be with you. And 36 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: that has perpetuated a really interesting conversation I think about 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: who gets to be in the media, who gets to 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: participate in politics, and curiosity around why these particular titles 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: resonate with such a huge number of people to the 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: point where they are arguably having an impact on the 41 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: democratic process. 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: In the evolution from radio to podcasting, it seemed like 43 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: everything was going to be a bit more intentional. You know, 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: you've made the choice to click on a podcast rather 45 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: than the radio just kind of wittering on in the background. 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: It would be that. 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: We were all choosing to listen to things that were 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: created just for us, and it was full of great content. 49 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: In fact, I think the Joe Rogan influence has been 50 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: that some podcasts are very bloated. You know, there's a 51 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: lot of just chit chat, particularly in some of the 52 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: famous Australian podcasts hosted by women. 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: I must say it's filler in your Labia Majora. 54 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: They just put where they're kind of talking about their 55 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: vaginas for an hour and a half. 56 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: And it's to rejuvenate the. 57 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: Vulva without I would think any kind of journalistic imperative. 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: So that's intriguing, isn't it. 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: What is that? 60 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: Is it sort of comfort food for the audience? 61 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: I think. So there's something that people say about podcasts 62 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: and about their particular effectiveness and their ability to engage people, 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: which is that a lot of people listen, as I said, 64 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: when they're gardening, cooking, cleaning, and they say, that's because 65 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: you've got busy, hands free mind. Television, I think is 66 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: going through a similar moment in that there is the 67 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: rise of something called ambient TV, which is you know 68 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: your Emily empois you pop it on, you can look 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: and scroll on your phone for three hours and still 70 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: not miss a single thing that happens in that show. 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: So perhaps that's what people are kind of engaging in, 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: is feeling maybe less alone, feeling like you have company. 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: And maybe it's not the way that they're talking about it, 74 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: or even what they're talking about. It's just having a 75 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: voice that you relate to, that is there playing while 76 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: you are going about your life. 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: That has now become so ubiquitous that now there's a 78 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: trend for not doing that. Dudes on planes doing what 79 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: they call raw dogging, which is just kind of staring 80 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: at the seat in front of you. And while hot 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: girl walk was an earlier TikTok trend, now there's a 82 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: trend to be a hot girl out for a walk, 83 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: not listening to a podcast. 84 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 4: I've started going on what I call silent walks, and 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: that's basically where I go for a walk. I'm listening 86 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: to my surroundings and I'm not constantly listening to a 87 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: podcast or music or on a call with someone. 88 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: As a person who if I'm not working on a podcast, 89 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm listening to a podcast, and when I finished listening 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: to a podcast I'm writing about a podcast that sounds 91 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: like my nightmare. I'm one of the people who love 92 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: to have something playing when I'm just living life. 93 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: I would love to just get into the ambient ones, 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: but I find myself listening to ones that I feel 95 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: are going to improve me in some way about history 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: or cooking or whatever, and I'm constantly hitting the fifteen 97 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: seconds back button. 98 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: Yes, right, you're kind of having the audiobook experience. 99 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: It always amazes me with say, our audience for the 100 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: Bromwin podcast, which we've both worked on, Headley Thomas's investigation 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: into a missing woman, how many people tell us that 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: they listen while they're falling asleep because Headley's voice is 103 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: kind of soothing. But yet they're also paying a lot 104 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: of attention to the detail, aren't I. 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: We have a Facebook group where there's I think now 106 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: over twenty two thousand people, and the questions that people 107 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: are asking in there, We've had moments where we've gone, oh, actually, 108 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: that's a really amazing observation and yes, in the same 109 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: breath saying oh, I heard this while I was listening 110 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: to it on the third go as I was falling asleep. 111 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: It's maybe that unique ability of podcasts to create this 112 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: community and for people to feel like they're participating in 113 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: it when they are just relaxing and going to sleep. 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: But I did have a funny conversation with Headley recently 115 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: where he had observed that people say this to him, 116 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: that he puts them to sleep, and he was having 117 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: a night where he was struggling to get to sleep himself, 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: and so I thought, I'll listen to this edit that's 119 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: come in from our brilliant engineer, A Slade Gibson, and 120 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: he said I was out like a light in about 121 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: five minutes. So there's something to it if even Headley 122 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: is putting himself to sleep. 123 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: Coming up the podcast power player who's got big ambitions 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 3: in old school media. Kristen, You've listened to an awful 125 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: lot of podcasts in your life and in twenty twenty four. 126 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: So I'm going to go through some of the big 127 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: categories and I'm going to ask you what's your best 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: ever and what's the best of twenty twenty thought. 129 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Let's start with true crime. 130 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: This statement is as best as I can remember. One 131 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: of the best I've ever listened to is sweet Bobby. 132 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: This story the one that you're about to hear. Thank you, 133 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 2: it's a love story. 134 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: I meant it from the bottom of my heart. That 135 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: was Tortoise Media's investigation into what had happened to a 136 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: young english woman when a romance had apparently gone really 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: badly wrong. The twists and turns in that one were 138 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: absolutely amazing. I won't ruin it for the audience, but 139 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: it took you to places that we didn't expect to go. 140 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: Tortoise Media is quite remarkable, aren't they. 141 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: They are. They're really emerged as a power player in podcasts, 142 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: and yes, I would rank Sweet Bobby as probably my 143 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: favorite true crime podcast of all time. As you said, 144 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: their ability to take you on this journey and to 145 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: do it really sensitively, I think, and that's a big 146 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: part of the evolution that I think has gone on 147 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: in podcasts over the last decade or so. Is at first, 148 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: particularly in true crime, it was a little bit salacious. 149 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Now it's a lot more victim centric and it's a 150 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: lot more considerate of the experiences that people have had 151 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: and the people around them as well. Tortois Media has 152 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: this year been in negotiations to buy The Observer newspaper 153 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: from the Guardian. That's been something that staff of both 154 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: The Guardian and The Observer have objected to really wildly. 155 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: It's a really interesting example of new media consuming the old, 156 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: isn't it, and the new power structure emerging. 157 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I suppose for us here we've gone the other way, 158 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: as many other publishers have in terms of incorporating audio 159 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: into an existing ecosystem which started with print then moved 160 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: to digital. But yes, watching it go back the other 161 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: way and seeing journalists in particular engage in that conversation 162 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: about why it's a good idea or a bad idea 163 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: is really interesting. One to queen of domestic violence claiming 164 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: that she's a victim of violence is the biggest options 165 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: does a violent predatory one tortise series that we both 166 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: listened to and that we have discussed at length in 167 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: the office. Here is who trolled Amber. 168 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: The scale of the attacks was staggering. Between twenty sixteen 169 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 2: and twenty twenty two, more than eight hundred thousand tweets 170 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: were posted with the hashtag amberhard is an abuser Only. 171 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: It's another six episode series hosted by Alexi Mostros, who 172 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: was the host of Sweet Bobby and the journalists who 173 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: investigated that it was about the highly publicized court case 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: between Amber Heard and her ex husband Johnny Depp. 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 176 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: What I loved about who trolled Amber was that it 177 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: ignored the historyonics of the court case and did real 178 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: journalism about what was happening around that court case, in 179 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: particular why Amber Heard was being bombarded with huge volume 180 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: of hatred on social media and everything she said was 181 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: being amplified in a negative way. They came up with 182 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: some quite terrifying conclusions and it. 183 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: Did feel a lot like Sweet Bobby in that way, 184 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: a completely different story, completely different circumstances. I wrote in 185 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: my review for the paper that wherever you think you 186 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: know this story is going, you could not be more wrong. 187 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Where it actually lands is miles away from where it begins, 188 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: and it's done in that same really careful, considered way. 189 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: Okay, Another category is lifestyle. My husband, like a lot 190 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: of men, is absolutely obsessed with car Talk and American 191 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 3: podcast with two Italian American guys talking about cars. 192 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Hello on a log with the Car Talk from National 193 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: Public Radio with us click and clack the tap. That 194 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: was a pretty Hello, robust, wouldn't you say? Robust? 195 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: More? 196 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Than robust a week. 197 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: One of them has been dead for several years, but 198 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: he still listens to the back catalog. 199 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: But this car has a carburetor. Yes, it has a carburetor. Yes, 200 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: you have carburetor icing an operator as yeah, and it's 201 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: caused by a mixture of cool air. 202 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 3: I can highly recommend it for the men of a 203 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: certain age out there. 204 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: What about you? 205 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: What was your best lifestyle podcast ever? 206 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: And maybe off twenty twenty four? My favorite lifestyle podcast 207 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: ever is Maintenance Phase by Michael Hobbs who is a 208 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: journalist and Aubrey Gordon who is a blogger. And what 209 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: they do is debunk what they call junk science and 210 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: quote unquote legitimate science. 211 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: Man. 212 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what all I ever want to drink 213 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: when we're recording is like phizzy things. And it's the 214 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: worst idea I know, because you're phizzy. Each week, one 215 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: of them will pick a topic, or they might pick 216 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: a particular diet book or just a concept that's been 217 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: in the culture for a long time. One of their 218 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: very early episodes was about snake oil and how that 219 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: transitioned from being a legitimate Eastern medicine to something that 220 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: we used to describe somebody who's a little bit dodgy. 221 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: Their ability to research and to synthesize and explain in 222 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: an entertaining, funny and succinct way is I think, really engaging. 223 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: That reminds me of an Australian one that I love 224 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: called do You Fucking Mind? Hosted by Alexis Fernandez. I 225 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: think I've tried to get you to listen to this 226 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: numerous times. I think you're too busy with maintenance face. 227 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: But Alexis Fernandez is a young Australian woman who went 228 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: and did a neuroscience degree because she was intrigued by 229 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: how the brain works. So each episode is a combination 230 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: of brain facts, how the brain works, and then her 231 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: incredibly foul mouthed but very clever and very entertaining take 232 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: on relationship issues, you know, whether it's how to deal 233 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: with toxic parents in law, and there's something about her 234 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: generation's fluency in the language of mental health and the 235 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: fact that they're dealing with the problems that everybody throughout 236 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: him history has dealt with. I'm loving hearing all of 237 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 3: this from a woman in her twenties perspective, although I 238 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: must say whenever it comes on in my car. My 239 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: children object to the swearing in the title, so you've 240 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: it's something to be aware of. Okay, what about comedy 241 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: and humor. Something that I love is no such thing 242 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: as a fish. It is from the British television store QI. 243 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it, it's a panel show. On 244 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: that show, they have QI elves. 245 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: They are the researchers and so four of them come 246 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: together and they bring their favorite fact. It can be 247 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: about absolutely anything, and as the show has gone on, 248 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: they've got more and more obscure. And of course there's 249 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: no such thing as a fish is one of the 250 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: first facts that were surfaced in this series way back 251 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: when Comy Bush. So we're measuring by the number of 252 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: items sold rather than by the value. And VW sells 253 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: more sausages than cars. So they come to Australia and 254 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: they sell out the Sydney Opera House. That is how 255 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: popular this is. And you do learn things. I find 256 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: myself constantly saying, oh I heard this on an episode 257 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: of No such Thing as a Fish? That did you know? 258 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. It makes me really good at pub 259 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: trivia if nothing else. And if you've got kids in 260 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: the car, probably fine for them to listen to as well. Kristin, 261 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Thank you. 262 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: Kristin Amiot is producer of the Front and she's The 263 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: Australian's podcast reviewer. You can read her column every weekend 264 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: in our review section and check out all the country's 265 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: best arts and entertainment journalism anytime at the Australian dot 266 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: com dot au slash review. Thanks for listening to the Front. 267 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: Our team is Kristin Amiot, Lea Samaglue, Tiffany Dimac, Joshua Burton, 268 00:14:52,240 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: Stephanie Coombs and Jasper Leek.