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Speaker 1: help make you rich in life. Welcome back to a

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Speaker 1: fabulous new week Cheeky Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's locked in. How's your eat bins?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been good, but I'm actually more excited for

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Speaker 1: the weekend because we're going a lane way on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, yes, I can't believe it's already here by

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Speaker 1: this point in time of the episode coming out.

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Speaker 2: Well know who Sally is? I know, and we would

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Speaker 2: have seen Chapel Roon. Oh I love her. I feel

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Speaker 2: like I'm going to get shy. I know, do you want?

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Speaker 2: Chapel Roane is like my concert fanfic of like reading

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Speaker 2: a book in the crowd and being like, sh'll pick me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, You'll be like shaving your body head to toe

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Speaker 1: just in case yeah, I'm really excited. I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: to see who the role model Sally's will be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who would be your predictions?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so who are your who are your predictions for

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Speaker 1: role model Sally at Laneway?

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Speaker 2: I think Robert Owen. Yeah, this is more my wish list. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: we can make you wish list predictions.

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Speaker 1: This is my Delulu wish list prediction and serious answers.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, a wiggle, Yes, the blue Wiggle.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Murray, Murray, all the Wiggles, all of them. Greg,

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Speaker 1: don't do that anyway, Kylie Minogue. I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 1: if it was Delta Gudrum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she'd be great. What about you? I would love

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Speaker 1: I could also maybe see like the Bananas and Pajamas

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Speaker 1: they would do that. They would be like mascots. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is not a new concept. I think we are

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Speaker 1: all very aware of these things that happen, but when

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Speaker 1: so we won't get two depresso vibes in it, but

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I'm wing l lef

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Speaker 1: to know, Sally, what are you obsessed with this week?

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Speaker 1: My obsession of the week is dusk. Yes, we are

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Speaker 1: all sleeping on dust. Oh my god, I don't know

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Speaker 2: I love dust.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a household name. I think everybody knows that.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's bought like a candle from others.

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Speaker 2: They're going to have a resurgence. It's they're going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe twenty six is the year of dust slay

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Speaker 2: Which is so cute, which was so cute, But then

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Speaker 1: for their new Essence collection, which is like a bunch

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Speaker 1: of candles, room spraysed, diffuses, moisturizes, all of these products

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Speaker 2: What the fuck is in that? Because it smells delicious.

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Speaker 1: Each week we're going to bring a new animal facts.

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Speaker 2: for the basics for the rundown. What is the pink tax?

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Speaker 3: A big part of this conversation is not only that

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Speaker 1: let's get back into the episode. Okay, I truly believe

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Speaker 2: And I think when you.

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Speaker 3: So, Michelle Obama addressed the intense scrutiny of her appearance

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Speaker 3: Stated, I mean I practiced law. I was an assistant

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Speaker 3: And I found that attractive individuals earn roughly twenty percent

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Speaker 4: As I was saying, studies beyond that well groomed women

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is also you know, good to break out

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Speaker 3: on their appearance.

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Speaker 2: Between that and my screen time, no wonder, I don't

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Speaker 2: get anything done.

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Speaker 3: Because we love smart, intelligent queens. We have collated some

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Speaker 3: of your answers on how you outsmart the gender pay

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Speaker 3: gap and also some of our own.

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Speaker 2: I want to start with the first.

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Speaker 1: And probably the most obvious, and it's pursuing a pay

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Speaker 1: increase and also wage transparency, Like I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with asking your male colleagues what they earn. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if they're nervous to tell you, red flag yeah

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Speaker 1: in the bit in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: So, a recent study showed that fifty four percent of

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Speaker 1: women across the country have never asked for a pay rise.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. How fucked is more than half?

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Speaker 3: More than half, And disappointingly, a third of them said

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Speaker 3: it's because they fear there will be negative consequences if

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Speaker 3: they do. But the best way to get a pay

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Speaker 3: rise leave, Like I know that it's also not as

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Speaker 3: easy as that, and getting a new job is also hard.

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Speaker 3: It's more work that you've got to put into, you know,

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Speaker 3: your resume and building that and it can be anxiety inducing,

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Speaker 3: but it will pay off in the long run because

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Speaker 3: as of September twenty twenty five quarter, and you'll page,

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Speaker 3: growth was three point four percent, holding steady from the

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Speaker 3: June twenty twenty five quarter. So if we're going to

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Speaker 3: pull in some averages and do some maths, which I

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Speaker 3: did check this okay. According to the Australian Bureau of

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Speaker 3: Statistics started from twenty twenty five, full time workers in

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Speaker 3: Australia on average earned one hundred and four thousand, five

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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy two dollars is an annual income based

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Speaker 3: on ordinary weekly income of fifty two weeks, which.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's that feels high. Yeah, when do

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Speaker 2: you think about that?

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Speaker 3: I guess not average, But that's actually it's kind of

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Speaker 3: crazy that, like the average salary is now like six figures,

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Speaker 3: Like I feel like that shows you.

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Speaker 2: How expensive life.

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Speaker 3: Is because majority of Australians are in a cost of

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Speaker 3: living crisis. Yeah, and then if we're using that average

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Speaker 3: annual wage growth over ten years, if you don't ask

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Speaker 3: for a pay rise, even just using the average, you

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Speaker 3: would miss out one hundred and seventy five four hundred

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Speaker 3: and one dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's literally one point.

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Speaker 3: Seven years of salary, a house deposit in a lot

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Speaker 3: of parts of Australia, years of super contributions that you'll

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Speaker 3: never get back. And it doesn't even include bonus increases,

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Speaker 3: promotions or you're super compounding.

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Speaker 1: And there's also that very well known statistic as well

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Speaker 1: that women won't apply for a job unless there are

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent qualified, And I feel like it's the

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Speaker 1: same in this kind of scenario too, like if it's

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Speaker 1: asking for a promotion or a pay rise, like women

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Speaker 1: do experience a lot of imposter syndrome where they feel

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Speaker 1: like they're not good enough or not worthy. But you are, seriously,

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Speaker 1: you have to go in with the confidence of the

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Speaker 1: medio mediocre white man in the room. So some other

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Speaker 1: ways that you can also outsmart the gender pay gap

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Speaker 1: is to start purchasing by unit price, so when you

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Speaker 1: actually look at you know, buying in bulk and bulk items.

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Speaker 1: You can actually save a lot of money that way.

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Speaker 1: I've got a piece of content coming out soon where

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Speaker 1: I compared like shampoo, Where the why did I say, Like,

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Speaker 1: why did I really emphasize the pool shampoo?

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of shampoo? No? I liked, I'm gonna yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've got to poo my hair.

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Speaker 1: I love that, I'm in everything shell, I'm shaving my

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Speaker 1: body and I'm pooming my.

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Speaker 2: Yes, stop rolling that out.

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Speaker 1: Ship. Put like a little apostrophe on one of the

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Speaker 1: o's as well.

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Speaker 2: Exactly make it look really nancy, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, the beautifrice and then obviously buying men or

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Speaker 1: unisex clothing. But even when we were running through some

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Speaker 1: of the examples of the pink tax and examples where

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Speaker 1: the men's version was a lot cheaper than the women's version,

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Speaker 1: like those are examples of as well where you could

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Speaker 1: be looking at brands that stock both men and women's

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Speaker 1: and looking at some of the men's items because like

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Speaker 1: a T shirt that doesn't like you can buy that

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Speaker 1: from either.

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Speaker 2: Section, but if you can get it cheaper, do that.

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Speaker 2: And there are so many items as well.

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Speaker 1: For example, when we asked you, chicks, how you outsmart

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Speaker 1: the gender pay gap and the pink tacks. One of

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Speaker 1: them was buying men's beard dye as eyebrow dye.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so smart.

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Speaker 1: Another one was, you know, buying men's raisors deodorant and shampoo.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you can transition this to more things like

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Speaker 1: h and m Zara cotton one. You can transition a

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Speaker 1: lot of those products, even things like belts and whatever

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Speaker 1: doesn't need to necessarily be supersized to you. Yeah, another

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Speaker 1: stuff from the Chicks was weaponized in competence, like fine,

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Speaker 1: I'm just a girl, I'm not gonna do it. Then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of like that we did speak about

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Speaker 2: this earlier in the episode.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that we should be having these

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Speaker 1: conversations with the men in their life on contributing to

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Speaker 1: things evenly, so whether that is domestic labor, having those

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Speaker 1: hard conversations with your partner and like have the conversation

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Speaker 1: be like, I'm not your mom, but I know that

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Speaker 1: it's also that's annoying, that's like me, that's a mental

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Speaker 1: load in itself having to have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: But it can have.

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Speaker 1: Beneficial results, I do think. But also yeah, for things

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Speaker 1: like contraception or period products and asking your partner to

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Speaker 1: help contribute to some of those things as well. Also

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Speaker 1: like getting your boyfriend to have like a period tracker

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Speaker 1: app I feel like is one too, and be like

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Speaker 1: I have to carry the mental load of my menstrual

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Speaker 1: cycle and how that's going to impact me. You should

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Speaker 1: as well, literally, like you should be considerate of those

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Speaker 1: things and like the things that I might need during

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Speaker 1: different cycles in the month. Like we said at the

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Speaker 1: top of this episode, we didn't want it to be

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Speaker 1: an episode that was doom and gloom.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of these.

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Speaker 1: Factors and things that we have to deal with as

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Speaker 1: women can be a little bit demoralizing. But again, like

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Speaker 1: without having these conversations, change isn't going to happen.

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Speaker 2: And call it out.

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Speaker 1: Like when you see brands increasing the price just for women,

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Speaker 1: call it out, email them, ask why it's that, because

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Speaker 1: I would love to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, literally love to see what the response is. Percent.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is a rat for today's episode of Two

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Speaker 1: Broke Chicks. Thank you so much for having us in

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Speaker 1: your ear holes, and we'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 2: We love to be here. Chicky's I cheer Babe.

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