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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Very very excited to be here.
Speaker 3: Not sure how I ended up here, Excited to be here.
Speaker 2: Through our mutual mate, Cam McDonald. When he tells me
Speaker 2: to chat to someone, I'm like, you're awesome. They must
Speaker 2: be awesome too, So no, no, biggie, but you you know,
Speaker 2: don't let me down.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Thanks, that's another thing I have Cam to thank for.
Speaker 2: So he's good like that. We actually I just got
Speaker 2: off a call with him and Craig and just love,
Speaker 2: just love picking his incredible brain about I'm guessing you're
Speaker 2: part of pH three sixty absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. And
Speaker 2: my listeners, most of my listeners are pretty familiar that
Speaker 2: it gets weaved into conversations here and there. If you're
Speaker 2: not guys and you feel lost, reach out. Soe yeut,
Speaker 2: I'll point in the right direction for the episodes that
Speaker 2: talk about it deeply. How do you introduce yourself? Who's
Speaker 2: Amy mcgare well.
Speaker 3: The reason I ended up here was I did, like
Speaker 3: you mentioned, I got very well and truly sucked into
Speaker 3: the pH three sixty universe, which is just been the
Speaker 3: most life changing, just game changing thing for me. And
Speaker 3: I know the potential that this has to help other people.
Speaker 3: And essentially I have been through a huge health journey
Speaker 3: of my own, went on a search for a way
Speaker 3: to heal myself.
Speaker 4: Then when on the search for how do I actually
Speaker 4: help other people?
Speaker 2: Do it?
Speaker 3: Been through health science degree, been through sport and exercise
Speaker 3: science degrees, and it wasn't until I discovered pH three
Speaker 3: sixty and I actually found this beautiful mixture of the
Speaker 3: deep science that I just absolutely love and connected with
Speaker 3: this person centric almost spiritual kind of it's so hard
Speaker 3: to articulate, but yeah, just discovering that universe has been
Speaker 3: a real game changer, not just for me, but it's
Speaker 3: now the view that I can use to actually help
Speaker 3: these people in such a meaningful way.
Speaker 2: So when did you what was? So you've done heaps
Speaker 2: of education to find kind of where you like at
Speaker 2: what point of those courses? But do you always feel
Speaker 2: like welcome to me? Also taking twenty minutes to ask
Speaker 2: a question which you'll end up would You'll end up
Speaker 2: a question that's got forty eight answers and you'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a lot in that. I've got to get better
Speaker 2: at not doing that tip, just ask one question at
Speaker 2: a time. I guess what I want to know is
Speaker 2: because we do this a lot, we go all, right,
Speaker 2: here's this is, this is what I want to this
Speaker 2: is what I want to do and find out, and
Speaker 2: then we choose the path. Right, Okay, that's the course
Speaker 2: that where I'm going to go.
Speaker 4: I want to learn that.
Speaker 2: Like when I first become a PTE, I went, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've got the qualification, but I actually don't know anything
Speaker 2: about strength training and programming. So where do I find that,
Speaker 2: and I asked a whole bunch of people and I
Speaker 2: went to I won't I won't name it because it
Speaker 2: sounds like I'm dising the I'm not. They're an amazing
Speaker 2: organization that has a huge regard for what they do.
Speaker 2: But I landed there for this strength and conditioning training
Speaker 2: information and it was kind of like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: kind of aimed for training strength and conditioning for teams,
Speaker 2: Like I want to learn how to program individuals and
Speaker 2: how to technically lift weights safely and well? And why
Speaker 2: did everybody point me into this direction? So I told
Speaker 2: you to be long question unnecessary? What did you What
Speaker 2: was your journey like when you got into doing some
Speaker 2: of the studies, were you like, this is actually not no,
Speaker 2: this is not giving me the answers I want.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting that you say that, because very very
Speaker 3: similar story on my part. And it's one thing that
Speaker 3: I've learned along this journey is these people like us
Speaker 3: have this you know, this need or this want to
Speaker 3: help people, and the first thing we do is go,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a pet. And I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but that's just the repeated story I keep seeing. And
Speaker 3: I started the exact same way thought, how do I
Speaker 3: go about making a difference in the world. Did my
Speaker 3: surt three and my sert for and let me out
Speaker 3: into the world. And I just thought, if I couldn't
Speaker 3: read and discern for myself, I'd have no clue. And
Speaker 3: very similar thing happened in my first degree and got
Speaker 3: three quarters of the way through that and I was like,
Speaker 3: this just isn't It's not giving me what I need.
Speaker 3: And so basically right before the finish, I switched and
Speaker 3: I went to a more sign like a more science
Speaker 3: based degree, so that my goal then was to then
Speaker 3: go on to research. And so I knew that no
Speaker 3: one with the first degree I was doing, no one
Speaker 3: was going to take me seriously as a scientist. So
Speaker 3: I went and did a really more prestigious science based
Speaker 3: degree and so I ended up as a let's call
Speaker 3: it crazy hippie at a very prestigious private university as
Speaker 3: part of the health sciences and medicine faculty and COVID
Speaker 3: HIT and so that was a very interesting journey for me.
Speaker 3: And as you say, how did you end up where
Speaker 3: you did? I mid twenty twenty was questioning my life choices,
Speaker 3: how did I end up here? But I learned through
Speaker 3: the whole process of just the one thing it did
Speaker 3: teach me it was really how to break down scientific
Speaker 3: articles and how to really read and properly discern.
Speaker 4: Things for myself.
Speaker 3: And another thing that I learned through that process too
Speaker 3: was that I actually have the capacity to think for
Speaker 3: myself a lot better than it seems other people do.
Speaker 3: And going through let's say, the adversity that I did
Speaker 3: at the time, it really gave me this better sense
Speaker 3: of character. And so while I got I got a
Speaker 3: lot of great experience with athletes. I got to work
Speaker 3: with Wallabies and x nrral professionals and women in the
Speaker 3: Aussie sevens, like I got to work with this extremely
Speaker 3: great caliber of athlete. And one thing it did teach
Speaker 3: me was that pro sports not where it's at for me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's I don't think it ever matters how
Speaker 3: deep you go into education. If you can't read and
Speaker 3: discern and think for yourself and you don't have that
Speaker 3: first for knowledge, then you're probably never going to be
Speaker 3: the satisfied. And that is part of the reason why
Speaker 3: I'm still so passionate about going into research, is there
Speaker 3: is that much stuff that's there to uncover that is
Speaker 3: really going to help people. And I may not have
Speaker 3: given I may not have been given all the answers
Speaker 3: through studying, but it's definitely put me on the path
Speaker 3: to know the how better, how much better I can
Speaker 3: contribute to, you know, the pursuit of science?
Speaker 2: Yeah, or I love that. I love that a lot
Speaker 2: because I feel like it lands with me. I feel
Speaker 2: a little bit the same, although I do not have
Speaker 2: the attention span for long term study in one direction,
Speaker 2: but even just through a process like the last five
Speaker 2: years of podcasting and going, it's funny because I have this.
Speaker 2: It almost feels like polar opposites where I go, the
Speaker 2: more I've learned, the less I the less answers there are,
Speaker 2: and the more it's all just a bit of bullshit
Speaker 2: and you've got to figure out what works for you.
Speaker 2: But as I say that, I go, yeah, but what
Speaker 2: do you mean? Because you're so passionate about seeking people
Speaker 2: out to learn, So what's the point of learning if
Speaker 2: there's no answers? So it's but it's that how do
Speaker 2: we critically think, Okay, well I talk about this and
Speaker 2: talk about that and see where the intersections are, and
Speaker 2: how do we allow people to think for themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and what might we uncover in the process.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's one thing that I've really learned across
Speaker 3: my own journey with chronic health condition is with allopathic medicine,
Speaker 3: its cause and effect, and there's cause and then there's
Speaker 3: a cure. Whereas for chronic health issues, and that's where
Speaker 3: PHA sixty fits in so beautifully, is there's one condition
Speaker 3: that they've named it this, but ten different people will
Speaker 3: have ten different causes.
Speaker 4: So there's never going to be a cure.
Speaker 3: And I think that was the thing that really got
Speaker 3: me interested in the whole thing in the first place,
Speaker 3: was there has to be a way to fix these things.
Speaker 3: But modern medicine is never going to say we have
Speaker 3: a cure for this because we can't pinpoint the cause
Speaker 3: because different people with different biology, it's triggering the same
Speaker 3: thing but through a different mechanism.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell us the journey of you and your health.
Speaker 2: Did it start before all of the study or did
Speaker 2: it slide in in between.
Speaker 4: No, it started very very early on.
Speaker 3: I was about fifteen at the time of diagnosis.
Speaker 4: We'll say I had had.
Speaker 3: Kind of weird health things from very young. I was
Speaker 3: told like I was having leg pain and just weird
Speaker 3: pains and things. And I always remember being told as
Speaker 3: a kid, I was just growing pains. It's just growing pains.
Speaker 3: When I was in my mid twenties, I'm like, my
Speaker 3: leg's still hurt. I'm pretty sure I haven't grown for
Speaker 3: the last ten years.
Speaker 4: So yeah.
Speaker 3: But I got quite ill around fourteen fifteen and just
Speaker 3: constantly tired, and then i'd go to sleep, I'd go
Speaker 3: to bed, couldn't sleep. So I was really really tired,
Speaker 3: really really wired. Doctors, all your bloods are fine, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And that turned out I had a test
Speaker 3: for just general viruses and they found an epstein bar
Speaker 3: infection and essentially the doctor said, oh, by the looks
Speaker 3: of this, it's been an infection for quite a while.
Speaker 3: You've probably got chronic fatigue. Sorry, and that was it,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, so chronic fatigue is my label.
Speaker 4: Off you go.
Speaker 3: And you know, as a teenager going through high school
Speaker 3: and getting close to year twelve and all the rest
Speaker 3: of it, I was competing in two different sports at
Speaker 3: the time. I was a dancer and I was also
Speaker 3: competing at a national level in karate, and it I
Speaker 3: was like well, I've just kind of got to get
Speaker 3: on with it. And I got the typical you don't
Speaker 3: look sick and you look fine, and you know, you
Speaker 3: can't possibly be that bad if you're training six days
Speaker 3: a week or whatever it was. And so I thought,
Speaker 3: all right, well, I've just got to, you know, get
Speaker 3: it all together and just keep pushing on through.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Finished year twelve, turned eighteen, learned to party, loved it. It,
Speaker 3: moved away from my hometown, ended up grossly overweight for
Speaker 3: my frame, and I just said, do you know what,
Speaker 3: enough's enough? Sick of feeling really poorly, and I just
Speaker 3: kind of went on this journey of reading everything I
Speaker 3: could get my hands on, and literally, when I say
Speaker 3: I tried everything.
Speaker 4: I mean absolutely everything.
Speaker 3: I tried, you know, keto, carnivore, I've done vegetarian, tried
Speaker 3: vegan that wasn't going to happen for any longer than
Speaker 3: a few minutes, tried tried, tried vegan.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I was like, fried vegan. That doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4: It's basically just timper of vegetables. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But literally experimented on myself with absolutely everything, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't until I decided to have a baby that I
Speaker 3: went through through a naturopathic preconception program, found out all
Speaker 3: this stuff about how I have.
Speaker 4: Mthfi gene mutations and.
Speaker 3: All the predispositions that that kind of comes with low
Speaker 3: ability to detox and I have lymphatic issues and that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And so that in my early was
Speaker 3: about twenty five at the time, that really changed my
Speaker 3: whole kind of changed my whole world. And going down
Speaker 3: that rabbit hole and realizing that all of these issues
Speaker 3: could literally be stemmed from this one little thing that
Speaker 3: was going on in my body. And if I'd known
Speaker 3: about it, I could change the way I eat, or
Speaker 3: I could change the way I move, and you know,
Speaker 3: these things may not have become quite so apparent. And yeah,
Speaker 3: that really So my son's now almost eleven, so it's
Speaker 3: been these last eleven years it's been a really really
Speaker 3: big kind of deep dive into that and just this
Speaker 3: one little thing that I have as an example, the
Speaker 3: MTHFI gene mutation. Up to forty percent of the population
Speaker 3: have it, and it's such an easy thing to essentially bypass,
Speaker 3: and it's just crazy that there's not many people know
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: When you were doing all of the other self experiments.
Speaker 2: What sort of time frames were you putting in place
Speaker 2: to assess is this working is not? Did you have
Speaker 2: a process, were you pretty diligent with it, or was
Speaker 2: it a bit of a dog's breakfast.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I figured out pretty quickly if it was
Speaker 3: going to help or not. I stuck with a vegetarian
Speaker 3: thing for a solid two years before then. When I
Speaker 3: decided to have my son, I was like.
Speaker 4: Can I need to get some meat back into my life?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would find things like.
Speaker 3: When I would get on keto, I would feel great
Speaker 3: for the first week, then you'd get the dreaded keto
Speaker 3: flu for a couple of weeks, come out the other
Speaker 3: side of that, and then for the next probably two months,
Speaker 3: would feel amazing, and then all of a sudden the
Speaker 3: effect would start dropping off again. And so then the
Speaker 3: next time I tried cyclical keto, so month on, week off,
Speaker 3: month on kind of thing, and then that would balance
Speaker 3: out a lot better. There was a yeah, there was
Speaker 3: a approach, But yeah, like I said, I'd figure out
Speaker 3: pretty quickly if it wasn't if it wasn't going to work, tell.
Speaker 2: Us about that. Mt HFR gene.
Speaker 3: Okay, So mt HFR gene is I it codes for,
Speaker 3: So essentially it stands for methyl tetrahydro fol late reductise
Speaker 3: and it codes for it's a it's a gene that
Speaker 3: I've just It's one of those things where as soon
Speaker 3: as you ask this question, now, I've like totally gone blank,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I.
Speaker 2: Know so much about this. Yeah, I've looked at it
Speaker 2: in previous times, and that's why I chiefly asked you.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just going to get to explain
Speaker 2: it again because I can't quite recall it all. I
Speaker 2: know that I've got one one copy of a variant
Speaker 2: of it, but when it comes to this, it's like
Speaker 2: I should know more about that and do stuff about it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So essentially it affects fol late metabolism and
Speaker 3: it's kind of basic level. So there's two different two
Speaker 3: different alleles, so there's two different issues you can have
Speaker 3: with it. I have got one of one and two
Speaker 3: of the other. So essentially one just just does really.
Speaker 4: Work at all.
Speaker 3: But that especially with in pregnancy, folate is super important.
Speaker 3: And another thing that also needs to be said is
Speaker 3: folate and folic acid are two very different things, and
Speaker 3: it's because it affects detox pathways, and depending on which
Speaker 3: mutation you have, it depends on how early in the
Speaker 3: detox pathway that can actually affect you. And so essentially,
Speaker 3: in my case, mine just doesn't work at all, So
Speaker 3: I have no choice but to bypass it. And it
Speaker 3: can be little things like I just feel a bit
Speaker 3: brain foggy one day, or there'll be other days where
Speaker 3: like my whole body just feels like it's twitching and
Speaker 3: it's not lovely.
Speaker 2: M Yeah. So, based on what you know of chronic fatigue,
Speaker 2: do you feel that it is a condition or just
Speaker 2: a cluster of symptoms that get given to people when
Speaker 2: they don't fit a box that has a definitive answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's a label given. I feel it's a
Speaker 3: label given to people as they do. It's a collection
Speaker 3: of symptoms, and as like I'd said earlier, it's because
Speaker 3: it could be a different trigger or a different cause
Speaker 3: with each person. There's never going to be a this
Speaker 3: is chronic fatigue, this is what it looks like, and
Speaker 3: this is how we fix it because it is it's
Speaker 3: just a symptom of a cluster of symptoms.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what did your process for management look like?
Speaker 2: And how long did that kind of take for you
Speaker 2: to or you might still be in a level of
Speaker 2: self management and learning, but yeah, I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: about the experience with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I found out very quickly that once I had
Speaker 3: given up all the fun things I stopped in preparation,
Speaker 3: especially for having my son. I gave up drinking before
Speaker 3: drank no alcohol for about a year or so before
Speaker 3: the planned pregnancy. Obviously came off oral contraception. Oral contraception
Speaker 3: which is a whole nother topic that I am extremely
Speaker 3: passionate about, and that really did change my whole world.
Speaker 3: Especially coming off the pill and then figuring out the
Speaker 3: severity of the mtfr gene mutation and the side effects
Speaker 3: that I potentially could have had from being put on
Speaker 3: that at such a young age is just mind blowing.
Speaker 4: So giving up all the toxins.
Speaker 3: I literally threw out all chemicals, stopped coloring my hair,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole lot, and instantly, instantly things got better.
Speaker 3: And so there were a lot of years of just
Speaker 3: kind of protecting that feeling good.
Speaker 4: One of the issues that I have is a like issues.
Speaker 3: With moving lymph, and so I found that once I
Speaker 3: became a PT and when I was teaching, you know,
Speaker 3: thirty hours of gym classes a week, I was feeling
Speaker 3: great because I was constantly moving and draining that lymph.
Speaker 3: So like detox pathways, not only were they not as
Speaker 3: loaded because I'd gotten rid of chemicals and alcohol and
Speaker 3: all the rest of it, I was also finally had
Speaker 3: that limp flow that was I was very, very stagnant.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: God, it's so fascinating, isn't it. Like I love conversations
Speaker 2: like this because it's just that we can be told,
Speaker 2: or we can read about, we can be told all
Speaker 2: sorts of that, do this, do that, don't do this,
Speaker 2: and it's like, shut up. When you just hear someone
Speaker 2: sharing their own experiment with themselves and what they learn,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, everyone, just shut up, all of us. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What's really crazy, too, is the first week of knowing
Speaker 3: about pH three sixty all these issues I had, they
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, that's a biology, that's a biology, that'sy biology.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, if I'd known this twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: this total game changer, wouldn't have had to go.
Speaker 4: Through all those blood tests and things.
Speaker 3: I would have known based on my biology, my phenotype
Speaker 3: that I was predisposed to the MTHFI gene mutations and
Speaker 3: it's just it's yeah.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: What's your health type?
Speaker 3: I am a three to five diplomat, so I'm right
Speaker 3: on the edge of censor, but I have a large
Speaker 3: chunk of my brain that's an activator. So I am
Speaker 3: a bit of a weird mix.
Speaker 2: And when did you start pH three sixty?
Speaker 3: My friend Steph first introduced me a bit over a
Speaker 3: year ago, but it wasn't until I did my husband
Speaker 3: and I did a coaching session with her and I
Speaker 3: heard how she was using my diplomat status to communicate
Speaker 3: with his crusader that I realized. I was like, hang
Speaker 3: on a sec there is really something cool here. And
Speaker 3: it's been when I started the Level one six months
Speaker 3: ago and now I'm in the Inner Circle program. So
Speaker 3: it's just been this whirlwind the last six months of
Speaker 3: just soaking.
Speaker 4: Up all the amazing and the amazingness that is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: PO THR sixty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the practices or changes that you've implemented
Speaker 2: that surprise you that have had a huge impact on
Speaker 2: your levels of on your management of in inverted commas
Speaker 2: chronic fatigue?
Speaker 4: Huge?
Speaker 3: Just one for me has been learning about how important
Speaker 3: my place.
Speaker 4: Is, and because that's not the kind.
Speaker 3: Of thing that people think about as having an effect
Speaker 3: on your biology, it's just like, oh, yeah, that's just
Speaker 3: where I live.
Speaker 4: And Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I found out that place is actually the number
Speaker 3: one level of importance for a diplomat body type, I
Speaker 3: was like, hang on, this makes so much sense because
Speaker 3: I've been through a lot of not so great things
Speaker 3: the last three or four years. And it wasn't until
Speaker 3: I kind of relocated out of one environment that and
Speaker 3: it wasn't I didn't change the people around me. I
Speaker 3: literally just changed the location and things started to open
Speaker 3: up and I started feeling clearer, and which has been
Speaker 3: an absolute game changer. And at the moment, we're renovating
Speaker 3: our house and just that of just I really desperately
Speaker 3: want to get in there because that's, you know, my
Speaker 3: space and my place, and just I feel myself going,
Speaker 3: I'm a bit anxious, like that place is just so
Speaker 3: important and it seems crazy and it seems really trivial,
Speaker 3: but for my health type, it's so huge.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's funny you remind me of similarly to yourself,
Speaker 2: when I'd first gotten on board and was looking at
Speaker 2: my own profile, and so it was like really important
Speaker 2: for you to have lots of color and natural things
Speaker 2: in your house. And I was like, oh, that's hilarious
Speaker 2: because I get indecisive and I always so everything in
Speaker 2: my house at that time was black or wooden, like,
Speaker 2: it was all neutral colors. So then it went out
Speaker 2: and I bought a lot of plants, but I bought
Speaker 2: some really bold colored artwork, and I could not believe
Speaker 2: the effect that it had on how I felt then,
Speaker 2: sitting in my own lounge, I was like, how is
Speaker 2: this even a thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's those little things that you would never consider.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that has been the most mind blowing for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's so many of them that really you often
Speaker 2: look at it and go, oh I already leaned towards that,
Speaker 2: or I did once and you but we get in
Speaker 2: our own way. But some of those small things are
Speaker 2: just like you'd never no one's ever going to well,
Speaker 2: I think this is the problem is that I don't
Speaker 2: have any bright colored artwork on my walls. I think
Speaker 2: that's why I'm feeling this way.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: I've as pte getting up at five and running off
Speaker 3: to clients and all the rest of it. And a
Speaker 3: big thing for me was I would always be like,
Speaker 3: this takes me so long to get out of bed,
Speaker 3: and I find it really hard, and I'm running through
Speaker 3: my head all the things I have to do during
Speaker 3: the day. And as I found out as a diplomat,
Speaker 3: I supposed to have no stress in the mornings, like
Speaker 3: I can still get up at five, but I need
Speaker 3: to be able to get off get up at five
Speaker 3: and not have to think about anything. And it wasn't
Speaker 3: until I was like, take the stress out of the
Speaker 3: mornings that all of a sudden life gets better.
Speaker 2: And just understanding other people relating tops and dynamics, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been very interesting. I remember I was on
Speaker 3: a call with the guys once and someone was saying
Speaker 3: about one of the health types and you know, you
Speaker 3: need to understand and that accuracy isn't their things, So
Speaker 3: you implement an eighty twenty rule with them, so twenty
Speaker 3: percent of the time they might be a little bit
Speaker 3: off on accuracy.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god, that makes me.
Speaker 3: Want to cry, getting heart palpitations, and I was like, Okay, nope,
Speaker 3: that's their biology.
Speaker 4: I need to understand these things.
Speaker 3: The thought of being wrong twenty percent, like inaccurate twenty
Speaker 3: percent of the time gives me anxiety.
Speaker 2: So we just when we had Cam on the other show,
Speaker 2: we harps who was He's talked a little bit about
Speaker 2: but he's not really familiar with the health types and
Speaker 2: he's starting to get quite curious. So he's talking about
Speaker 2: giving somebody feedback, and he wanted to know if there
Speaker 2: was a particular health type that dealt better or worse
Speaker 2: with feedback. And funnily enough, they particularly started talking about
Speaker 2: the activator, which is me. So it was which they
Speaker 2: labeled Jane. But it's so funny to talk about interaction
Speaker 2: and how to manage different interactions with specifics in mind,
Speaker 2: which is Yeah, that's fascinating this shit out of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's funny you bring that up because I'm
Speaker 3: not a compliment sandwich guy. I'm like, just give me
Speaker 3: the feedback, give it to me direct and we're good.
Speaker 4: Don't tell me I did this great and then oh
Speaker 4: but by the way, and then tell me I did
Speaker 4: something else. I don't just cut it. And it's funny.
Speaker 3: When I was listening to your podcast with Cam and
Speaker 3: Ann Larsen and you're talking about the boxing and stuff,
Speaker 3: and I had this epiphany about how it was the
Speaker 3: activator part of me that got me into karate, because
Speaker 3: I guarantee you, the sensor and the diplomat side of
Speaker 3: me never in a million years would go for the confrontation,
Speaker 3: but that activator part of me was like, yeah, like,
Speaker 3: let's get in the ring.
Speaker 2: So fascinated. That's actually really fascinating. So with everything you've
Speaker 2: learned about you, what do you do wing with that now?
Speaker 2: As a whether it's a train or a coach or
Speaker 2: a research what are your plans now?
Speaker 3: So I am just relaunched my coaching business with the
Speaker 3: help of the guys at pH three sixty, because now
Speaker 3: we have got just this great program that is finally
Speaker 3: going to get people the results that they deserve. The
Speaker 3: first program is based around chronic illness and you know,
Speaker 3: thriving rather than just managing. That's one one of the
Speaker 3: biggest reasons why I wanted to launch this program and
Speaker 3: why I wanted to start this way is because everything
Speaker 3: that's out there at the moment is all about managing
Speaker 3: your condition. It's not about healing and thriving. So the
Speaker 3: current for something like chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia. The current
Speaker 3: standard of treatment is pacing, which is you know, you
Speaker 3: do XYZ this week, and then the next week we'll
Speaker 3: add one more task to you. So essentially you just
Speaker 3: kind of increase the amount of energy you expand over time.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is cognitive behavioral therapy, which as
Speaker 3: soon as someone says that it makes me think, you
Speaker 3: think it's all in my head, and it's essentially talk
Speaker 3: therapy to try and make you feel better. Now, cognitive
Speaker 3: behavioral therapy absolutely has a place in the treatment of
Speaker 3: mental health conditions and all the rest of it. And
Speaker 3: this is no way a dig at that. It is
Speaker 3: a dig at the fact that they are using this
Speaker 3: treatment to because the conditions are poorly understood. They essentially
Speaker 3: a lot of people who have had to deal with
Speaker 3: it have been made to feel like it's all in
Speaker 3: their head for a very very long time. And so
Speaker 3: whenever I see that as a treatment, it just it
Speaker 3: triggers me. And yeah, so that's essentially I've been working
Speaker 3: with the guys that pH TH sixty two just get
Speaker 3: this program up and running, running a small group program
Speaker 3: as well as one on one using the shade tech,
Speaker 3: and just to get people better.
Speaker 2: Do you find that people that come to you that
Speaker 2: have been labeled with this or I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: you've you've connected with people on your own searches at times.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the typical response to people believe there's
Speaker 2: help out there? Are they are they ignoring information or
Speaker 2: are they just accepting it?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Where are we at in terms of that?
Speaker 4: The answer is yes, all of the all of them.
Speaker 3: There's there are people like me that are like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: there's got to be away, Like I wasn't born like this,
Speaker 3: There's got.
Speaker 4: To be away.
Speaker 3: There are others that are, you know, going into their
Speaker 3: doctors every however long and just being told, sorry, your
Speaker 3: blood's are normal, There's nothing we can do, You're just tired.
Speaker 3: There's people at all stages. I am hopeful and I
Speaker 3: do believe that we are getting to the point now
Speaker 3: where a lot more people are asking more questions and
Speaker 3: they are saying this isn't good enough, like I can't
Speaker 3: exist like this, and they are looking for better answers
Speaker 3: that are actually going to help them regain their health.
Speaker 2: Do you think there are any damaging approaches out there
Speaker 2: which might just be the doctors and the rest and
Speaker 2: they're like, what's being prescribed that is doing more damage
Speaker 2: than it is good.
Speaker 3: I don't so because I've kind of just taken on
Speaker 3: my own. I'm operating kind of as my own health practitioner,
Speaker 3: because I've had found a doctor who was absolutely brilliant
Speaker 3: I won't name her and is squarely has been squarely
Speaker 3: one hundred percent on my side with a.
Speaker 4: Few issues, but because of how.
Speaker 3: She is regulated as a doctor, there are things she
Speaker 3: couldn't do or couldn't help me with because she would
Speaker 3: be deregistered. And that as someone who is basically you're right,
Speaker 3: but I can't help you, it is absolutely infuriating. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I've totally forgotten what the question was.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, damaging, damaging, Yeah, practices.
Speaker 3: I don't know that there's a lot that is physically damaging.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of snake oil salesmen out there.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, when you are in this chronic
Speaker 3: state of pain and brain fog and all the rest
Speaker 3: of it, you will try anything. And so I don't
Speaker 3: believe there is stuff that is making it physically worse.
Speaker 3: But there are definitely a lot of people out there
Speaker 3: that aren't helping, and there are lot of practitioners saying
Speaker 3: there's not really anything we can do. We've just got
Speaker 3: to manage it, and then these poor people are sitting
Speaker 3: there going I'm just going to be like this for
Speaker 3: the rest of my life, and psychologically that's hugely damaging.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What kind of becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, doesn't it?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah. Aside from the obvious witches, get the hell
Speaker 2: on your programs, figure it out. What is your advice
Speaker 2: to people who have this or some sort of a
Speaker 2: similar you know, whether it be auto or immune, a
Speaker 2: similar debilitating condition. What's your advice for people to start
Speaker 2: getting somewhere?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Take responsibility, Like the first things first is, no one
Speaker 3: is going to change you for you.
Speaker 4: You've got to take responsibility for yourself.
Speaker 3: It's not your fault, but you need to own kind
Speaker 3: of where you're at and take your own steps. Don't
Speaker 3: don't take no for an answer, Like, don't don't let
Speaker 3: someone tell you that.
Speaker 4: You have to feel like crap your whole life.
Speaker 3: You deserve you deserve health. It's a birthright to everyone.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone deserves basic vitality. Don't don't take no
Speaker 3: for an answer. I'm and it's easy for me to say.
Speaker 3: I'm the kind of person that will kick a door
Speaker 3: in and be like, I'm here, deal with it. And
Speaker 3: I know there are a lot of people that aren't
Speaker 3: and they will sit back. But don't don't take no
Speaker 3: for an answer when it comes to your health. At
Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's the only thing you've got.
Speaker 3: Don't take no for an answer.
Speaker 2: Where can where can we find you and follow you
Speaker 2: and get on board?
Speaker 3: So business profiles and all that are being reset up
Speaker 3: at the moment, So I don't know if you have
Speaker 3: show notes or anything we can put that in.
Speaker 2: I'll do yep, I'll check some. I'm in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But the business name is the Delta Project.
Speaker 3: And yes, coming soon to an internet location near you.
Speaker 2: Tell me about the name, the Delta Project. I'm interested.
Speaker 4: So I love that. So Delta is so that great clatter.
Speaker 3: Delta is the symbol for the chemic, the symbol for.
Speaker 4: Change in science.
Speaker 3: So when you're writing out a scientific equation, you use
Speaker 3: the delta symbol as that's the change in And so
Speaker 3: that's where it came from.
Speaker 2: Bloody love that. I love that I asked that question.
Speaker 4: I love that you asked that too, because I love
Speaker 4: that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, there's got to be storied it is.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so cool yeh, super science nerd and so
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: So thanks.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's this has been a really great chat.
Speaker 2: I love chats like this, so thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Keep being amazing and creating shit. It's actually going to
Speaker 2: help so that more awesome people can do more awesome
Speaker 2: stuff in the world rather than bloody stay in bed
Speaker 2: and be tired.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I so super appreciate you having me.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly the point. It's to get people out
Speaker 3: of bed and being able to bring their gifts to
Speaker 3: the world. And that's the thing is I've found through
Speaker 3: this process that this is my gift to the world,
Speaker 3: and the idea is so that these people can get
Speaker 3: better and whatever it is that their talent is, they
Speaker 3: can finally bring that to the world. It's exactly right,
Speaker 3: get more awesome people to do more awesome things. I
Speaker 3: just I love that.
Speaker 2: You are a bloody superstar. Thanks Amy, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Tiffany, thanks, she.
Speaker 1: Said it's now and ever I got fighting in my
Speaker 1: blood started plea