1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: We'd like to acknowledge that traditional custodians of the land 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: on which this podcast was produced the Galligall people of 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: the Urination. We pay our respects to Elder's past and present. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: It's August twenty twenty one and we're at Perishah in 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: Australia's Snowy Mountains. Twenty one year old medical student Jimmy 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: jan moved down here two months ago when COVID lockdowns 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: caused his university classes to move online. He's planning to 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: spend the semester here, splitting his days between the slopes 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: and his studies. One bell ber morning, he decides to 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: squeeze in a few runs before logging online for the afternoon. 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: Jimmy has the train park to himself and he's skiing 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: the jumps he's done many times before, but one wrong 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: maneuver changes everything. Jimmy wakes up a few minutes later 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: to find himself surrounded by the ski They tell him 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: to stay still, remove his boots and ask you if 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: he can wiggle his toes. 17 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: He tries, but no movement follows. 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: Hours later, X rays will show fratured vertebrae. 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: I'm Att Middleton and this is head Game Today. Jimmy 20 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: Jan on. 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: Embracing life after a spinal cord injury. Jimmy Jan listen, 22 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: thank you ever so much for coming on my podcast 23 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: Head Game. Talk about mindset cop pulling through and having 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: to deal with the change that you've dealt with. But 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: first and foremost, Jimmy, how are you, buddy, and how's 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: life treating you? 27 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: I am very good. Yeah, thanks for having me at 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: honor to be on your podcast. But yeah, I'm doing good. 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 4: I'm in my fourth year of medicine at the moment, 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: so that keeps him busy for the most part. Yeah, 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: doing good. 32 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: Was that something that comes from the family? Is there 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: doctors and nurses in the family? Where does that sort 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: of medical sort of background come from. 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: Look, I want to say, like it's you know me, 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: who's you know, decided I want to do this and 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: like gone through it. But I guess there is a 38 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: bit of a health background in my family. My dad's 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 4: a dentist, and my mum's an occupational therapist. My sister 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: actually she's a doctor as well. 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 5: So I'm not. 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: Really I don't know if I'm following in the footsteps, 43 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: but yeah, I guess there's health. Health based family. At 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: the start, I don't know. I guess I just kind 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: of thought it would be cool. And as I've studied 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 4: it and kept going, like, it's just so much more 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: cool to me and so much more exciting. 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 5: I just really love learning. Learning's really fun. 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 4: And so I don't know, I think medicine is this 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 4: really awesome career because like there's just so many different 51 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 4: directions you can go, and you can never quite know everything, 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 4: and so you just can learn forever. And then I 53 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: just think learning forever is a lot fun. 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: I love that, mate, you know what. I love that 55 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: you can learn forever because ultimately, that's what life is 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: all about. That's what we're all about, right, We're always learning, 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: we're always growing, We're always trying to become that better 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: version of who we are through wisdom and knowledge. And 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: I suppose with your accident in two thousand and twenty one, 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: the medical field, has it become more fascinating for you? 61 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 2: Has it has it become more fascinating probably the wrong word, 62 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: but has it become a bit more fascinating or interesting? 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: I think, oh, like absolutely, Like I've had an insight 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: into you know, healthcare that like a bit on the 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: other side, I guess of like the healthcare you know sector, 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 4: and so I, you know, for my first couple of 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: years of med school before my accident, you know, just 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 4: learning about all these things and I don't know, then 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: suddenly I'm like, you know, have the perspective of a patient, 70 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: and I learned a lot, and yeah, I think I 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: definitely look at like I guess my future career as 72 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 4: a doctor from like a different perspective, just you know, 73 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: having that experience as a patient, I suppose. 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can almost put yourself in that patient sort 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: of sector as well, so you're almost studying on yourself. 76 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: Took me through the day in the life of Jimmy 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: jam before before the accident in twenty twenty one. 78 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, so before my accident, Yeah, yeah, I was living 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: in a van and I was I was living in 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: Newcastle at the time. I just honestly parked at the 81 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: beach most mornings and go for a surf in the 82 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 4: morning and then go to UNI and yeah, I was 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 4: just kind of trying to have as much fun as 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: they could do a bit of travel. And then COVID 85 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: hit and so a lot of our classes were online 86 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: for a while, and in twenty twenty one, we had 87 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 4: like that second wave of COVID, and I had already 88 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: got my season passed for the snow and I was like, 89 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna drive my van down there, Like you know, 90 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 4: they're not locked down there yet, so I'll just park 91 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: at the snow and ski and snowboard every day and 92 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: get my classes online. 93 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: What a place to be able to sort of park 94 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: your van up, study online and then go and hit 95 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: the slopes or the mountains whatever you wanted to do. 96 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: Is that exactly what you've done? 97 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like I was living the dream. I was 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 4: having so much fun. Like you know, I would be 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 4: up on the chair lift and I got my headphones 100 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 4: in listening to you know, a lecture and just you know, 101 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: hitting the slopes. 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 5: It was an absolute blast. 103 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: So you were literally living the dreamers as a student 104 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: who says you don't live the dream of the student. 105 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: So take me back to that day in twenty twenty one. 106 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: You know, you wake up in your campra Van. Just 107 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: talk me through that day and how it transpired. 108 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: I had a class i think in the afternoon, and 109 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 4: so I was like, I'll just go up and do 110 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: a couple hours on the mountain and yeah, I just 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: wake up, had my oats like I do every day, 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: drove up the mountain, took the chair lift up, and 113 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: it was my first run of the day. I'm coming 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: down the mountain and I was wanting to go like 115 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: all the way across the mountain to like a different 116 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: track basically, and I went past the train park and 117 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 4: it was empty because like it was early in the morning, 118 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, m, just hit the. 119 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 5: Jumps on the way down. 120 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 4: Usually there's just like heaps of people of the train 121 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: park and I don't really like waiting, but you know, 122 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 4: it was all empty, so I was like, I just 123 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 4: hit some jumps on the way down, and yeah, I 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: hit the first jump and it was fine, and then 125 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: hit the second jump and I just kind of, yeah, 126 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: took off wrong, I guess, and wasn't in the right 127 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: position where I need to be. I wasn't trying to 128 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: do any tricks. I was literally just trying to jump 129 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: and yeah, I just had a bit of speed going 130 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 4: into it and ended up doing like kind of like 131 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: I guess, a bad backflip and came down and landed 132 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: on my head and then knocked myself out and woke 133 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 4: up a few minutes later, and there was like ski 134 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: patrol all around me, and I was like trying to 135 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 4: get up, and they're like, nah, you don't just stay 136 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 4: stay where you're on and I was like, oh, like 137 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 4: I can't actually get up, and yeah, that was when 138 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: I knew that I guess things were about to get 139 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: interesting for me. 140 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: Wow. 141 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: So this is just a normal day for you, right, 142 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: You've just been as in normal day, You've got that 143 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: routine going, you parked your van up, You've been hitting 144 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: the slopes as normal. Had you hit that jump before? 145 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd been doing the jumps and on like the 146 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: skis and the snowboard, and this one just went poorly. 147 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: You know. Was it one of those where I suppose, 148 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: you know, you build up the confidence like on anything, 149 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: you know, motorbikes, squad bikes, ski slopes. You know, were 150 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: you getting faster and with the jumps getting higher? 151 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 152 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: No, it was definitely like I've been hitting them quite 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 4: a lot that week, and so I was getting more 154 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: and more confident, and so probably like not paying as 155 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: attention as much as I maybe should have been, and 156 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: I guess focusing when I got to the top of 157 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: the jump, I like I knew like it wasn't going 158 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: to work out. 159 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 5: Like I remember thinking to myself. 160 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: Like, oh, crap, this is gonna hurt because probably, like 161 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe like a month earlier, I had 162 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: kind of jumped poorly on my snowboard and stacked it 163 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: and that hurt, and so like when I was at 164 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: the top of the jump, I was like, yeah, crap, 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 4: this is actually gonna hurt a lot. 166 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 5: And yeah, that's the last thing I remember thinking about. 167 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: I guess because you've studied medicine or you you know, 168 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: you're studying medicine, and you were probably you know, in 169 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: the thicker things because of the knowledge that you already 170 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: had in the medical field. Did you know something was 171 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: up right away or what? Did it take a bit 172 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: of time for it to for you to really go, oh, 173 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: something seriously up. 174 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it was like right away. It 175 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: was when on the snow like I kind of just 176 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: I don't know, like i'd just woken up. I didn't 177 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: really know it was like going on, I guess. And 178 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 4: when they took me down the mountain to the the 179 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: medical center, they did some like X rays, and I 180 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: asked if I could see the X rays after they 181 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: did them, and they're like, oh, like, are you show 182 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 4: you order like and I was like yeah, yeah, Like 183 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 4: I love X rays, like yeah, yeah, I used to 184 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: study radiography as well, so I don't know, I just 185 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: think X rays are cool. And so that they showed 186 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 4: me and I could see that my T ten was 187 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 4: like basically completely displaced over my spinal cord and yeah, 188 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: when I saw that X ray, I was like, oh, 189 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: like this is this is bad, this is serious. 190 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 5: I suppose like we had. 191 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: Just done our neuro unit the semester before, so this 192 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 4: was all in my second year of medicine, So we 193 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: had just done our neurology unit in the semester before, 194 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: so you know, I'd kind of learned about spinal cord 195 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 4: injuries and so yeah, I saw the X ray and 196 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, this is serious. And so then 197 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: they flew me to Sydney on a fun little helicopter 198 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: ride and and I got some fun surgery. Wow. 199 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: How you said you say, obviously when you hit the 200 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: deck you're unconscious. How long were you actually out cold 201 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: before you you you came. 202 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: To It was about three minutes And like the way 203 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 4: the terrain park is like situated on Paris. Rat's like 204 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 4: right on the front valley, so it's quite near to 205 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: I guess skip atroll and like it's actually like right 206 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,599 Speaker 4: under the the ski lift. So there's a lot of 207 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 4: people who got a front ray seat of my nice stack, 208 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 4: so lots of people saw, so they were quick on it, 209 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 4: onto it to come and collect me. 210 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: You know, just being unconscious for thirty seconds a minute, 211 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: but three minutes wow, you know that you know you've 212 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: you've taken a big, big fall there. And when you 213 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: come to as well, you say that they're doing you know, 214 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: are they doing the the up? You know it's not 215 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: studied medicine, but I've been a team medic and I 216 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: you know, I know about the awareness and coming in, 217 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: you know, securing the heads, making sure was all of 218 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: that taking place, and you know, wiggle the toes and 219 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: can you feel your legs from here? You know, touching. 220 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: Did all that take place on the slope or did 221 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: that do they just take you whisk your way straight away? Yeah? 222 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: No, it happened on the on the mountain. I remember 223 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: them taking my boots off and asking if I could 224 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: wiggle my toes. Yeah, And I was like, am I 225 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 4: not wiggling my toes. I'm pretty sure I'm whiggling my toes, 226 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 4: but I wasn't wiggling my toes. It's really weird to 227 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 4: like have control, I guess if your whole body in 228 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: one second, and then like you know, a few minutes later, 229 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: you wake up and it's like, oh, half half my body, 230 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: like the control of half my body is just like gone. 231 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 5: It's it's a weird, weird thing. 232 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment on the slope, you know, 233 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: why you were being transported from the slope to the hospital. 234 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment that you thought I could 235 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: be paralyzed. 236 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 237 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: When they showed me my x rays, I was in 238 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 4: the medical center, I think for maybe like an hour, 239 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 4: I think before like they flew me away in the helicopter. 240 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: Vertebra are not supposed to be over on top of 241 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: your spinal cord, and so when I saw that, Yeah, 242 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 4: I knew I was. 243 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 5: Definitely in it for the long run. 244 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: I think, like I knew this wasn't just going to 245 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 4: be like a you know, six weeks in hospital and 246 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 4: you're back out walking like it's whatever was happening was 247 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: going to be a big change in my life. 248 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: Wow, and when when do you get confirmation then of 249 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: the news that you are paralyzed from from the waist 250 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: down and that you know you're going to spend the 251 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: rest of your life, you know, in a wheelchair. Was 252 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: there any hope of them saying this could be repaired 253 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: and you might be able to walk one day or 254 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: was it just a straight hardcore truth of your paralyzed 255 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: from the waist down. 256 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 4: So like the morning after my surgery, So after I've 257 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 4: been flown to Sydney and had surgery, I think I 258 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: woke up late that night and after my surgery and 259 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: then yeah, they were like, you've severed a spine accord, 260 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 4: so you're not going to be walking. 261 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: You know, your your head must have been absolutely everywhere 262 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: and anywhere. Right, You've just come out of surgery. You 263 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 2: know you're probably groggy from from you know, from the process, 264 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: and just to be given that news. Can you just 265 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: put me in that setting? Was the family around you 266 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: when you receive that news. That's big news, mate, that's. 267 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: Big, big news. 268 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely big news to get. But now I 269 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: was all by I'm a little handsome in hospital it 270 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 4: because it was during like that, like COVID so my 271 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: family is, well, my parents they live in Queensland, so 272 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: they're in a different state. And then yeah, it wasn't 273 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: allowed any visitors, and I think wait, while I was 274 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 4: in ICU, I I was allowed I think a two 275 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: hour visit a day, and so my sisters came the 276 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 4: next day, so like eventually had some family around me. 277 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: You come across as super positive, But how what how 278 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: did you manage that and how did you process that 279 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: news by yourself? Because I know you had the nurses 280 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: and the doctors for support, but to receive that by 281 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: yourself and to have having to process that as well 282 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: by yourself, I can't even start to imagine that. That's 283 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: that's talk about psychological resilience. That's something that I'll be 284 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: fascinating to hear how you dealt with it. 285 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think at the time I. 286 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: Was just kind of like, oh, like yeah, I mean, 287 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 4: I guess I broke my back paralyzed in the waist down, 288 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: like there's nothing I can do about it, And so 289 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 4: pretty early on I was kind of just like I 290 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: had accepted that, and like even like on the first 291 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 4: day after the after the team had rounded and then 292 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 4: I had my breakfast, I remember thinking oh my gosh, 293 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: like I'm supposed to be in class today, like I 294 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: have to email the UNI and tell them why I'm 295 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: missing class. And so I like hop on my little 296 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:40,239 Speaker 4: computer and I'm like, hey, I broke my back yesterday 297 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: and I might miss class for the rest of the week. 298 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 5: So I don't know. I didn't. 299 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: My head was weird, like that's not really something that 300 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: should be a major priority, I think in the time, 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: but I was like, oh, I need to tell I 302 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 4: need to make sure you know the UNI knows that 303 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: why I'm missing class. 304 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: So your first thought process was I'm missing class. I 305 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: need to inform the I need. 306 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: To inform the UNI that I'm not going to be there. 307 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, the email I received back was like, oh, this 308 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: is not really a priority. Thinking about medicine, I was like, 309 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: can I still do medicine? Like really briefly, But one 310 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: of the teams that rounded on me really early on 311 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: was like, oh, have you heard about this doctor? You know, 312 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 4: a doctor in a wheelchair, And so then I was like, oh, yeah, 313 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: medicine is still an option for me. 314 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: When did you actually start thinking about yourself? When did 315 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: you actually start thinking why I've got a hell of 316 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: a lot of work to do here. 317 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was in ICU for for five days 318 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 4: and so after that, like I was allowed I could 319 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 4: actually start doing rehab and stuff. And I started UNI 320 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: back when I got out of ICU. So one day, 321 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 4: I guess I took a week off and I guess 322 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: that was that was a nice distract action, I guess 323 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: to keep me going in hospital. And then yeah, I 324 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 4: started doing a lot of. 325 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 5: Rehab and. 326 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was probably like yeah, a couple of weeks 327 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 4: into it, and then I was like, oh, like this 328 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 4: is forever. This is how it is now, like, yeah, 329 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 4: this is I don't know, this is going to be 330 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 4: an adventure and yeah, a lot of work. 331 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: And I suppose I have the same mindset as well, 332 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: you know, any sort of setbacks, not backs, problems, you know, 333 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: I sort of look at them as challenges. And you 334 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: just said it there. I don't know if you said 335 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: it or burpose, but you said, well, I've got this adventure. Now, 336 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: how did your rehab look? 337 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: Was it? 338 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: Was it a lot of psychological that acceptance and dealing 339 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: with it or taught me through your rehab from day 340 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 2: dar like after my surgery, I remember like when they 341 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: first sat me up, my blood pressure just dropped and 342 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: I kind of like passed out almost And when I 343 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: woke up from that, I just sme thinking like, oh 344 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: my gosh, I can't even sit up without passing out, 345 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: Like this is this is gonna this is gonna be 346 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: like I don't know a lot. And each day, like 347 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: I started doing more and more. And I remember the 348 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 2: first time dressing myself after my accident, because you know, 349 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: after after the accident, there's like a team of nurses 350 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 2: and they're like there's people showering you and doing all 351 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: this stuff. And like going from like completely independent to 352 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: being absolutely dependent on for everything is a really really 353 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: jarring experience, really weird to go, like for a twenty 354 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: one year old is doing everything living by himself, and 355 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: then you know, suddenly I need someone to, you know, 356 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: help me. 357 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 5: Go to the bathroom. Like it's just weird. 358 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 4: And so I was just kind of determined to just 359 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 4: get back every inch of independence I could, and so 360 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 4: I just started working like really hard, and I remember 361 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 4: like the first time dressing myself, and I was just 362 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 4: so exhausted at the end of it, and like picking 363 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 4: up each each one of my legs and you know, 364 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: sliding my legs through. Like I remember like laying back 365 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: being exhausted, and I was like, that's sick. Like I 366 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: just dressed myself, which is just a weird thing for 367 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 4: a twenty one year old to be like really proud 368 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 4: of themselves for. But yeah, every every single one of 369 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: those experiences that I was able to like get back, 370 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 4: I just I don't know, it's just victories, right, yeah, exactly. 371 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel like you've overcome that challenge, and you know, 372 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: no matter how small or big it is, it's still 373 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: it's still a victory, right, still ticking the box where 374 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: you're like, well I've got that, I've achieved that, you know, 375 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: onto the next. 376 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 4: There was just so many things that I had to 377 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: like try and get back for myself, to like get 378 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 4: back to my independence. And yeah, there was a lot 379 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 4: and there's a lot of hard work. But I mean, 380 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 4: I know, you got one experience of life, and I 381 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 4: want it to be as fun as it can be 382 00:19:53,880 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 4: for me, So I just kept working hard. I guess. 383 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: How was the acceptance of you know, you live in 384 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: the outdoor adventure life, you know, in your camper van, 385 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: you've got that free spirit mentality and attitude. How does one, 386 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: you know, accept that and move and process things to progress, 387 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: to move on. 388 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 4: I think like at the start, I kind of just 389 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: was like, I don't know, a bit blase about the 390 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 4: whole thing. Like I was like, ah, what are you 391 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 4: going to do? Like that's life, you know, just keep going. 392 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 4: And then like as time went on and I'm like 393 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 4: I said, I was like, oh, wow, this is forever. 394 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 4: I like kind of was like able to reflect on 395 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: it more, I guess, and like because I did have 396 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: I had such an active life and I literally just 397 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: used to do whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, like 398 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: just free little spirit, if you will. And then for 399 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: a brief period, I was like, oh, it's gone, like 400 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 4: I'm never going to have fun again, like never gonna 401 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 4: have fun as my which as I had fun before. 402 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: And then I was like, I don't know, just kind 403 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: of trying to reframe the way I was thinking about that, 404 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: and it's like I might never have fun like I 405 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: had before, but like that's not to say I won't 406 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 4: have fun, Like there's so many ways to have fun 407 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 4: in life, and like now I just have to find 408 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: all those new ways for me to have fun. 409 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 5: You know, I used to do like. 410 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 4: A lot of running and a lot of scuba diving 411 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 4: and lots of all that stuff like active you know, 412 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: use your legs, and I can't do. 413 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 5: A lot of that anymore. 414 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: But like, I mean, there's there's more than six activities 415 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 4: on offer in life, so I just need to, you know, 416 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: find the new ones to have fun with. 417 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: And did that get you down, Jimmy? 418 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 5: There were definitely, like. 419 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: A lot of times, especially like while I was still 420 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 4: in rehab, these moments where I definitely had like down moments. 421 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 4: They didn't like last They're not like these long periods 422 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 4: that like kind of take over my mind. I kind 423 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 4: of would just you know, have that moment and like, 424 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: you know, try and work through it. I've got this 425 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 4: album on my my photos on my phone and it's 426 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 4: called Legs, And when I was like being all depressed 427 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 4: in hospital, I would like go through all my photos 428 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 4: and add all these photos into an album called Legs, 429 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 4: And then whenever I was like kind of feeling bummy 430 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 4: in hospital, I would just feel sorry for myself and 431 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 4: swipe through this like album of photos and shit, No, 432 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 4: definitely it definitely did some of the pictures and then 433 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 4: I'm just like I'm never going to stand on top 434 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: of that mountain ever again. I think after a while, 435 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: I would just look at these pictures and it's not 436 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 4: like I'll never be able to do these again. It's like, 437 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that I had the experienced to do 438 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 4: all of these things before, because like there's a lot 439 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 4: of people in the world who will never do, like, 440 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 4: you know, some of the fun stuff I've had the 441 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 4: you know, forty and privilege to experience and. 442 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: That you will continue to experience exactly because exactly like 443 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: you said, there's still so much fun that could be had. 444 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: There's still so much you can do, right. 445 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Like this world is so exciting, Like 446 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: there's so much to do, so much to learn, and like, yeah, 447 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: you only have one experience on this planet and like 448 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 4: just got to soak it, soak up as much as 449 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: you can. 450 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 5: So that's that's what I'm trying to do. 451 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: And there's as a word that I'm going to say 452 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: this word and you'll probably smile upsy, yeahpsy, Yeah, talk 453 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: to me about oopsy and how that sort of played 454 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: a role in your life. 455 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like after I broke my back, I was 456 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 4: laying in the medical center and I had the X 457 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 4: rays and got my little I think I had a 458 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 4: little collar on and I was just laying in there 459 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: and I don't know. I had my phone and I 460 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 4: just took a selfie and on Snapchat, and I wrote 461 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 4: the little caption as UPSI because I had had an 462 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 4: upsy and I feel like that was the way to 463 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 4: I guess sum up the experience I was having. And yeah, 464 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 4: I still like, yeah, when I think about that day, 465 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 4: it's it's still it's upsy. You know, just sometimes things happen, 466 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 4: and you know, see exactly. 467 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: It must be fascinating that you're in the medical field 468 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: and you know, like you said, you're you're the patient 469 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: as well. Has your medical studies become even more interesting 470 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: now due to your accident? 471 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, definitely, Like a lot of like topics have 472 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: become much more interesting where I'm like trying to like 473 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: figure out, you know, I guess the path of physiology 474 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 4: of like different things, even like you know, spinal cords, 475 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 4: spinal cord injuries. A lot of doctors probably like fortunately, 476 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: don't have the experience of like I guess, I don't 477 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 4: know disability or like I don't know chronic health conditions, 478 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: and so I do have that insight, and so that's 479 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 4: something that you know, I'm now able to take into 480 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 4: my future practice, you know, my future interactions with patients. 481 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 4: So it's a crappy situation, you know, becoming paralyzed, but 482 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 4: you know, it is what it is, and I guess, yeah, 483 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 4: it's one of the positives I can definitely take from it. 484 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: It's just I guess, an insight into like what it's 485 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 4: like to you know, have your world change in an 486 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 4: instant or just you know, lose function or you know, 487 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 4: there's lots of different stuff about disability that I now 488 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 4: definitely understand a lot more than I did when I 489 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 4: briefly covered it, you know, in a semester before my accident. 490 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and how is that. 491 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: Sort of transpired into the psychology side of things you have? 492 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: You are you taking that on as well or is 493 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: it just pure medicine And because the psychology side of 494 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: what you've been through will surely help people and it 495 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: will help people in the future. 496 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 497 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 4: Biggest part from my experience was just I think I'm 498 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: probably resilient before my accident happened, and I think I mean, 499 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: if I had to give advice to someone psychology wise, 500 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 4: it would be like, start developing your resilience now, Like, 501 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 4: don't wait until something bad happens to try and be resilient, 502 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 4: because it's, you know, something you need to practice before 503 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 4: you're right. 504 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: Resilience is isn't about just being strong and bouncing things off, 505 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: And resilience is actually going through these hardships, going through 506 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: these situations and coming out the other side or processing 507 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 2: whatever's happened to you or the situation in order to 508 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: make it work for you. Right, That's what resilience is. 509 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: It's not there being there and that word is used, 510 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: you know too often. It's not there bouncing stuff off. 511 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: It's actually once you've been through the mill, once you've 512 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 2: been through something that's you know, traumatic, and you can 513 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: really look at it as a life experience and use 514 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: it like you do, as a life experience to regress 515 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: and to be better. That's what resilience really is. And 516 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: you know that's why you know, talk about resilient mindset 517 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: car to come through the psychological side, not just the 518 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: physical side. The physical side is pretty pretty obvious, right, 519 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: But the psychological side of coming through that and making 520 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 2: it work to your advantage, that's that's huge. 521 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, bouncing back from an injury like this. It's a 522 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 4: lot easier I guess, even in Australia compared like if 523 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 4: I was in a different country, like the resources I 524 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 4: had access to, you know, like it's easy, easy to 525 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 4: bounce back when you have universal healthcare and you know 526 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 4: your university is supportive of you continuing your studying and 527 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: so like, Yeah, I think it's definitely important to have 528 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 4: the supports around. 529 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, good support network. 530 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: And also you mentioned before about someone there's a doctor 531 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: in a wheelchair that you mentioned before. Have you reached 532 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: out to any doctors in wheelchairs and you know, got 533 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 2: a bit of inspirational or knowledge from them? 534 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, there's a there's a doctor in the Gold 535 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 4: Coast in Australia, doctor Deniesh Palipana. He's an emergency physician 536 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 4: and he's really cool. He messaged me on Instagram and 537 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 4: got to chatting and yeah, I've met him a few 538 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 4: times and actually I did a keynote speech with him 539 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 4: on disability and medicine a couple of years ago, and yeah, 540 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 4: he's really cool. 541 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 5: I hope to work with them one day. 542 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: How does it help you knowing that there's someone like yourself, 543 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: obviously not as young as you, but someone like yourself 544 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: in the same situation. Does that give you a little 545 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: bit of hope, a little bit of inspiration or you 546 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: just quite you know, listen, this is life. 547 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: I'll deal with it. 548 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 549 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 4: No, it's definitely helped, like just being like, all right, 550 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 4: it's been done, like if someone can do it, like 551 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 4: I'm sure I can do it, you know, So like 552 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: it's good like to have that for myself, but I 553 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: actually also think it's good probably for the people around 554 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 4: me as well, who are like, oh, like oh being 555 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 4: a doctor, like in a wheelchair, like any people who 556 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: might have reservations when they hear that. But I guess 557 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 4: when you know you can just kind of point to 558 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: someone who's already done it, it's. 559 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 5: Just easier to you know, subdue the haters. 560 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And this question, and excuse my ignorance on 561 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: this question, but bar the operations, is is there any 562 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: pain that because you've had your your nerves or did 563 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 2: you have to deal with a lot of pain or 564 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: was it just from post operations and just taught me 565 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: through through that how that works. 566 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, so post operatively I was I was like I 567 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 4: did have a lot of pain, Like I was being 568 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 4: treated by the pain team, but one of the doctors 569 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 4: actually on my team, like everyone knew I was a 570 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: medical student, and so they're kind of like speaking to 571 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 4: me as I guess more of like a peace Yeah, yeah, exactly. 572 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 4: And one of the pain specialists probably I had probably 573 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: been in hospital for about a week, but she gave 574 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 4: me a book and it was about pain and spinacleed injuries, 575 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 4: like specifically, and she's like, yeah, this is probably like 576 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 4: a good resource for you, and so I read it 577 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 4: and I had a like I'm really glad I had 578 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 4: that resource straight away because it was just I don't know, 579 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 4: it was all about pain and spinacle injuries obviously, and 580 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 4: I guess that kind of directed all my thoughts about 581 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 4: pain and like chronic pain, and because I had never 582 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 4: really experienced I guess bad pain before and so like 583 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 4: after MaxEnt, I like I get neuropathic pain. 584 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 5: So there's like a it's like a band around my. 585 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 4: Waist basically where like where the nerves are all just 586 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 4: like modeled up. But I'm calling it pain now, but 587 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 4: like I usually I'm like very hesitant to even use 588 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 4: the word pain when talking about like the sensations, like 589 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 4: even the uncomfortable ones. She should call it like you know, 590 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 4: discomfort or whatever, just because like I mean, your brain 591 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 4: is so powerful and just like even like calling it 592 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 4: pain and like he can you know, really amp it up. 593 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 4: And so you know how like when someone gets like 594 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 4: their leg cut off like amputation, they might get like 595 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 4: phantom pain. 596 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 597 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, like so like I get phantom pain, but I 598 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 4: call it phantom sensation because it's not it's not painful, 599 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 4: like it's sometimes it's like uncomfortable, but like it's not 600 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 4: pain per se. 601 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: See That's what I'm really interested about, Jimmy. So it's 602 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: not it's not pain that it's not pain. Is it 603 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: more of a is it more of a tingling? 604 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 4: Like right now, like I swear I can feel my 605 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 4: feet like they're just like buzzy, Like my feet are 606 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 4: just constantly just like they just feel warm and like 607 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 4: tingling and like buzzing. But like it's not actually my feet, 608 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 4: it's just like my brain. I Well, this is me 609 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 4: theorizing it's my brain like so used to having access 610 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 4: to all this like input from my lower limbs and 611 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 4: then it got suddenly cut off and it's like kind 612 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: of expecting it still still be there. And yeah, I 613 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 4: think my brain just makes stuff up. I don't trust 614 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 4: this thing. 615 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: But do you have you ever had the sensations where 616 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: you thought, I can feel my legs. I can probably 617 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: stand up right now. 618 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 5: I think, like. 619 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 4: After spending so much time in hospital, especially like I 620 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 4: was in for a long time, I used to like 621 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 4: lay in my bed and be like, no, I can 622 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: definitely feel them, like okay, like let's start whiggling. 623 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 5: These toads like I'm ready. I'm ready, but. 624 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, like I can still stand, Like the muscles 625 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 4: still work, I just can't control them. So like the 626 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 4: muscles will like spasm, I just can't control them. So 627 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 4: if I like pull myself up, my legs will lock 628 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 4: out and the muscles will contract for about I don't know, 629 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 4: thirty seconds and I can stand and wave at you, 630 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 4: but then they'll stop working and I'll fall over. 631 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: Is there ever an obsession to fix yourself? And do 632 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: you think that that could ever ever happen in the future. 633 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 4: I think about it like in two ways. In one way, 634 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 4: like if I spend the rest of my life in 635 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 4: a wheelchair, I'm content with that, Like my life is incredible. 636 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 4: Like if like if this is what it's like for 637 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 4: the rest of my life. Like that's cool. I've yeah 638 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 4: accepted that. Yeah, But like on the other side of that, 639 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 4: like this, like the scientific innovation and like technology these 640 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 4: days is insane and medical research like is just flying 641 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 4: at an incredible pace. And so if I'm to have 642 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 4: a spinacle injury at any time in history, this is 643 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 4: the best time to have one, because like things things 644 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 4: are happening. Like I think last year or the year before, 645 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 4: there was a guy who he had a seven spinal 646 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 4: cord and they were I can't quite remember all the 647 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 4: specifics of this research, but basically they were doing i 648 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 4: think a spinal stimulation below like the level of injury, 649 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 4: and he's able to walk with a like a four 650 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 4: wheelie walker, and like he had a seven spinal cord. 651 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 5: And so. 652 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 4: I'm not like like hoping that, you know, one day 653 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 4: I'll be able to walk, but like I feel like 654 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 4: it's on the cards, and like if it doesn't happen, 655 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 4: that's cool, But like I don't know, I don't I 656 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 4: don't want to get ahead. 657 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 2: Of my love that I love that there's hope there 658 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: in your head and you've got you've got your whole 659 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: life in front of you and it's great that you've 660 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: accepted you know that you know you've got going to 661 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: lead a good life in a wheelchair, which you can. 662 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 2: There's so much you can do, but there's that there's 663 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: that hope, or there's that you know, not hopes as much, 664 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 2: but there's that It could you know, I could walk 665 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: a again one day. 666 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 3: Is that something that keeps you going? 667 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'd love to walk again. Walking walking was 668 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 5: a lot of fun. 669 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 4: I don't want to say like I took it for 670 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 4: granted before, but like probably wasn't something that. 671 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 5: I like thought about. 672 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 4: I probably did take it for granted. I guess most 673 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: people who walk probably do. But yeah, I'd love to just, 674 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 4: you know, trot down, trot down the sound again, because 675 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 4: getting down to the ocean in a wheelchair is so 676 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 4: much more work than just simply walking across the sand. 677 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 4: So I wouldn't mind walking across the sand again. 678 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 3: And do you think that there's enough out there. 679 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: For people like yourself who in wheelchairs? And you know, 680 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: because like you said this, there's a lot of there's 681 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: a lot of barriers in the way, right And I've 682 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,439 Speaker 2: you know, went onto your social media and I looked 683 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 2: at your I looked at your Instagram and I saw 684 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 2: straight away you love to pop a wheelie. 685 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 5: I feel like if you could do it whelly all day, 686 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 5: you do it. 687 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, you know, I get that as well. 688 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: But I see you know you've done the bungee jump 689 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: and they were lifting you up the stairs. Do you 690 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 2: think there could be can be more done for people 691 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: like yourself that are living life in wheelchairs? 692 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 693 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 4: I think like for me, like in a manual wheelchair, 694 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 4: like mine's light and I can kind of get picked 695 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 4: up and carried places where it's you know, not super accessible, 696 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 4: but I think like it's a lot harder for people 697 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 4: who are in like electric wheelchairs, you know, who don't 698 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 4: have I guess as much function as me or you know, 699 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 4: have these big, heavy mobility devices. So like, yeah, there's 700 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 4: in terms of access, like I don't know, there's a 701 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 4: lot of curves, there's a lot more stairs than you 702 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 4: think there's just everyone as curves. But yeah, I think 703 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 4: there's you know, definitely room for improvement. But I think 704 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 4: it's the direction you know, society is moving and creating 705 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 4: inclusives is to you know, make its over and can 706 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 4: make use of a space and access things they need access. 707 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 2: I've got another question. It might be the world's dumbest question. 708 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: Have you got back on the slopes? 709 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 5: I have? 710 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, and in what form? And how did 711 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 2: that that feel? 712 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 5: So it's it's called sit skiing. 713 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 4: I I knew I wanted to go skiing, like even 714 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: when I was in hospital, I was like, it'd be 715 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 4: so fun to go skiing again. And I kind of 716 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 4: decided that was like, oh, it'd be really fun to 717 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 4: go skiing, like on my anniversary of my accident. But 718 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 4: then I didn't want to learn how to ski on 719 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 4: the anniversary accident because I knew i'd probably like I 720 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 4: don't know, not enjoy falling over constantly. So I think 721 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 4: it was it was probably ten months after my accident 722 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 4: I went down to the snow and started learning to 723 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 4: ski again. And yeah, the first three days I did 724 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 4: a lot of four and over and then I think 725 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 4: by day five I had like kind of picked it 726 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 4: up and like, I still have a lot of room 727 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 4: to improve, but you know, I can manage my way 728 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 4: down the mountain and go fast again, which is one 729 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 4: of my favorite things to do. So yeah, by the 730 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 4: time my twelve month anniversary came around, I was hitting 731 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 4: the slopes. 732 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 5: That's great. 733 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 2: Wow, And your social media as well was absolutely blown up, 734 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 2: your TikTok, your Instagram. You know, how do you feel 735 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 2: about the love that you received from the world, basically 736 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 2: because you've got a huge following and you're always putting positive, 737 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 2: inspirational stuff out there to help people. 738 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really strange at the start, like having 739 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 4: videos go viral like it it was really weird. I 740 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 4: was super bored in rehab and like it wasn't allowed 741 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 4: any visitors, so like it was really fun to post 742 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 4: videos and then just have like thousands of people commenting 743 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 4: nice things using up my ego. 744 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 3: We all eat it every now and then. 745 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 5: But yeah, no, it was really cool. 746 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't know, just like i've I've got 747 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 4: a perspective about life, and I feel like i've you know, 748 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 4: had this for a while and I don't know, a 749 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 4: lot of people don't seem to be enjoying their life 750 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 4: or just like life sucks for them. And if I 751 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 4: can kind of, you know, give someone I don't know, 752 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 4: maybe push them into you know, viewing their life from 753 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 4: a different perspective, I think that's a great use of 754 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 4: my social media. And so if that's what's happening for people. 755 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 4: I'm stoked with that. 756 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 3: Brilliant, mate, brilliant. Yeah, it is this powerful, you know, 757 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 3: social media. 758 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of good and bad, but 759 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 2: the good thing about social media is, you know, people 760 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 2: do look at it and they can gain you know, 761 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 2: that glimmer of hope, that ounce of inspiration, you know, 762 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 2: that that little method of if. If that they can 763 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: do it, then so can I. You know, so it 764 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 2: is powerful for that reason. Are you still studying, Jimmy, 765 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 2: And if so, how long have you got left? And 766 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: you know, when, what's what's next for you? What's what's 767 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: the next studies for you? Once you're fully fully cold? 768 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 4: Yes, I am still studying. I actually took last year 769 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 4: off and so I've got the rest of this year 770 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 4: and then next year. Yeah, I'll be a first year doctor. 771 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 4: So I have to find a nice hospital to work in, 772 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 4: and yeah, I won't be a student anymore. 773 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 5: She'll be exciting. 774 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 2: And is there anything outside of medicine that really really 775 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 2: interests you and that you're going to look at developing? 776 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 2: You know, sort of once you fully qualify as a doctor. 777 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 4: At the moment, like medicine takes up most of my time. 778 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 4: Like so, I feel at the moment maybe it's just medicine, 779 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 4: but after that, I am I'd love to do more skiing, Honestly. 780 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 4: I I've skied every year since my accident, and I 781 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 4: wouldn't mind, you know, doing a bit of competitive skiing 782 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 4: down the line. 783 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 3: Oh really nice? Nice? 784 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 2: Do you know what, Jimmy, I almost see you and 785 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 2: I'm throwing this out to you. You know, I'd love 786 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 2: to see you do something like robotics. I'd love to 787 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 2: see you merge your medical field with robotics, because you 788 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 2: know you've got time ahead of you. That field as well, 789 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 2: is really really developing at a rapid rate of. 790 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 3: Longs like the medical field is. 791 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 2: So maybe I'm just planting the seed there, mate, you 792 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 2: can merge the two together. And listen, I'm going to 793 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: need an XO skeleton. My body's falling apart. I'm going 794 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 2: to need an EXO skeleton in a few years. So 795 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 2: hopefully I can come knocking at your door. 796 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 4: Okay, when I've finished making myself my new legs, I'll 797 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 4: start making yours. 798 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 3: There you go, Jimmy, there you go. 799 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 2: Mate. Absolutely love chatting to you, mate, Thank you ever 800 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 2: so much for coming on the podcast, and for those 801 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 2: of you that wants some inspiration and want to to 802 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 2: gain some resilience, and certainly check out Jimmy jan and 803 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 2: his journey. It's fascinating and Jimmy, it's been an absolute 804 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 2: pleasure speaking to you. Thank you so much, Thank you 805 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 2: very much, Thanks so much for joining me on Headgame. 806 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 2: If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you're subscribed so 807 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 2: you don't miss any of our incredible stories and leave 808 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 2: me a review wherever you're listening. 809 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 3: I'm Aunt Middleton. Catch you again next time