WEBVTT - Uncovering a multi-million pound smuggling trade

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<v James Wong>A  bright  January  afternoon  in  2014,  the  sunlight  slants  through 

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<v James Wong>the  panels  of  the  Princess  of  Wales  Conservatory  in  the 

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<v James Wong>Royal  Botanic  Gardens,  Kew.  Where  even  in  the  dead  of 

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<v James Wong>winter,  preparations  are  underway  for  the  Annual  Orchid  Festival.  10 

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<v James Wong>climate  controlled  zones  display  a  magnificent  array  of  rare  and 

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<v James Wong>remarkable  plants  from  across  the  planet.  As  the  staff  busy 

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<v James Wong>themselves  readying  for  the  big  event  an  apprentice  is  doing 

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<v James Wong>the  rounds,  checking  the  water  levels  in  the  ponds.  Somewhere 

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<v James Wong>near  the  concrete  bridge,  he  stops  in  his  tracks,  all 

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<v James Wong>around  him  is  the  hubbub  of  visitors  and  busy  staff. 

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<v James Wong>But  his  focus  is  chained  on  one  thing,  a  small 

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<v James Wong>hole  in  the  abundant  flora,  the  scraper  fingers,  almost  visible 

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<v James Wong>in  the  mud.  Holding  his  breath  he  leans  in,  but 

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<v James Wong>he  already  knows  what's  missing.

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<v Speaker 2>When  you  find  that  someone  has  acted  illegally,  unlawfully  and 

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<v Speaker 2>selfishly  in  stealing  one  element  of  that  collection,  particularly  something 

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<v Speaker 2>as  valuable  as  this  plant,  it's  very  disappointing.

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<v James Wong>Missing  from  the  mud  was  one  of  24  specimens  of 

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<v James Wong>Nymphaea  thermarum,  one  of  the  world's  most  endangered  species.  The 

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<v James Wong>world's  smallest  and  rarest  waterlily.  Its  delicate  white  flowers  are 

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<v James Wong>now  extinct  in  the  wild.  And  Kew  is  one  of 

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<v James Wong>the  few  botanic  gardens  in  the  world  to  be  guardian 

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<v James Wong>of  this  species,  which  had  once  lived  in  Rwandan  hot  springs.

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<v Carly Cowell>The  high  price  of  these  individual  plants  and  the  rarer 

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<v Carly Cowell>they  are,  although  there's  a  risk  of  being  caught,  there's 

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<v Carly Cowell>very  little  prosecution  and  jail  time.  And  the  fines  are 

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<v Carly Cowell>minuscule  compared  to  the  prices  that  these  items  are  actually 

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<v Carly Cowell>sold  at  the  end.

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<v James Wong>I'm  James  Wong  and  I'm  a  botanist.  In  this  series 

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<v James Wong>I'm  unraveling  the  secrets  of  the  world  of plants  and  fungi, 

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<v James Wong>from  one  tiny  waterlily  to  the  pre- historic  giants  hidden 

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<v James Wong>in  multi- million  pound  mansions.  We'll  find  out about  the  criminal 

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<v James Wong>underworld  that  threatens  to  devastate  entire  species and  the  future  of 

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<v James Wong>our  planet.

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<v Speaker 4>Wildlife  trafficking  has  surged  in  recent  years,  generating  billions  in 

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<v Speaker 4>illicit  profits.  Criminals  are  helping  themselves  to the  environment's  precious  resources 

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<v Speaker 4>without  a  care  for  the  cost  to  our  planet.

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<v Speaker 2>The  scale of  the  internet  is  a  real  challenge  for  the 

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<v Speaker 2>monitoring  and  surveillance  of  wildlife  crime.  It's  still  important  to 

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<v Speaker 2>involve  human  judgment  in  these  decisions.

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<v James Wong>You're  listening  to  Unearthed:  Mysteries  from  an  unseen  world,  from 

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<v James Wong>Royal  Botanic  Gardens,  Kew.  Kew's  tropical  nursery  is  a  huge 

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<v James Wong>partitioned  glass  house  split  into  21  different  climatic  zones.  It's 

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<v James Wong>home  to  10,000  plants,  and  it's  the  most  diverse  collection 

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<v James Wong>of  cultivated  plants  on  the  planet.  This  is  where  a 

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<v James Wong>talented  team,  tends  plants  behind  the  scenes  and  where  many 

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<v James Wong>waterlilies  begin  their  Kew  journey.  It's  from  this  oasis  of 

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<v James Wong>life  that  the  specimens  visitors  see  in  the  gardens  are 

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<v James Wong>often  born.  It  was  here  that  the  ideal  conditions  for Nymphaea 

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<v James Wong>thermarum  were  decoded  by  Kew's  botanical  horticulturist,  Carlos  Magdalena.  Known 

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<v James Wong>to  some  as  the  plant  Messiah,  due  to  his  ability 

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<v James Wong>to  coax  plants  back  from  the  brink  of  extinction.
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<v James Wong>forward  a  few  years  and  some  of  the  rare  waterlilies 

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<v James Wong>now  extinct  in  the  wild,  run  show  at  the  Princess 

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<v James Wong>of  Wales  Conservatory.  Richard  Barley  is  Director  of  Horticulture  Learning 

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<v James Wong>and  Operations  at  Kew.  He  arrived  in  2013  and  it 

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<v James Wong>was  not  long  after  this,  that the  waterlily  theft  took  place.

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<v Speaker 5>The  story  of  the  Rwandan  waterlily  is  a  really  interesting 

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<v Speaker 5>one.  It  only  grew  in  the  natural  habitat  at  one 

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<v Speaker 5>location  in  Rwanda  on  the  edge  of  a  thermal  spring. 

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<v Speaker 5>Just  in  the  sort  of  moist  mud  with  a  thin 

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<v Speaker 5>film  of  water.  They  send  some  seed  across  here  to 

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<v Speaker 5>Kew.  And  I  think  that  was  in  about  2008, 2009.  And 

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<v Speaker 5>that's  when  one  of  our  own  horticulturist  here,  Carlos  Magdalena 

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<v Speaker 5>did  a  number  of  trials  with  the  seed  that  it 

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<v Speaker 5>germinated,  it  grew,  it  stayed  alive.  And  then  we were  able 

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<v Speaker 5>to  multiply  the  numbers  of  plants  and  ultimately  finish  up 

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<v Speaker 5>with  a  really  good  collection.  So  at  least  we'd  preserve 

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<v Speaker 5>the  material  and  the  plant,  which  was  by  then  extinct 

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<v Speaker 5>in  the  wild.  It  had  disappeared,  I  think  in  about 

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<v Speaker 5>2008,  but  we  still  then  had  saved  the  plant  from 

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<v Speaker 5>becoming  extinct  altogether.

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<v James Wong>It  really  is  so  distinct,  as  soon  as  you  look 

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<v James Wong>at  it.  It's  like,  honey,  I  shrunk  the  kids  kind 

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<v James Wong>of  got  the  Ray  gun  and  aim  that  at  a  waterlily.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v James Wong>And  it  doesn't  grow  with  its  parts  floating  on  the 

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<v James Wong>surface  of  water.  It  just  grows  in  mud.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah,  that's  right.

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<v James Wong>What's  it  like  when  you've  spent  years,  maybe  even  decades 

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<v James Wong>in  some  situations  trying  to  conserve  a  particular  species  and 

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<v James Wong>then  notice  that,  that  has  been  stolen.

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<v Speaker 5>Look,  its  always  disappointing.  I  mean,  I'm  sure  it'd  be 

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<v Speaker 5>the  same  with  anyone  working  with  any  valuable  collection  of 

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<v Speaker 5>anything  at  all.  When  you  find  that  someone  has  acted 

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<v Speaker 5>illegally  unlawfully  and  selfishly  in  stealing  one  element  of  that 

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<v Speaker 5>collection,  particularly  something  as  valuable  as  this  plant.

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<v James Wong>Were  you  surprised  when  you  found  out  it  was  missing?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes,  I  was.  Honestly,  I  think  any  plant  theft  surprises 

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<v Speaker 5>me  because  I  inherently  always  think  the best  of  people  at 

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<v Speaker 5>large  and  don't  expect  something  like  that  to  happen.  And 

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<v Speaker 5>also  frankly,  I  was  surprised  because  it  was  not  right 

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<v Speaker 5>next  to  a  pathway.  You  could  just  be  walking  along, 

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<v Speaker 5>bend  down  and  scoop  it  up.  It  did  require  someone 

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<v Speaker 5>to  traverse  some  fairly  soft  going  and  to  get  to 

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<v Speaker 5>the  edge  of  a  pond  and  get  it  and  get 

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<v Speaker 5>it  out  and  not  be  noticed  doing  that.  These  conservatories 

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<v Speaker 5>are  not  left  empty  during  the  day.  They  have  people 

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<v Speaker 5>in  them.  As  I  said  earlier,  we  need  to  tell 

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<v Speaker 5>the  stories  of  why  those  plants  are  rare,  because  ultimately 

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<v Speaker 5>we  want  all  our  visitors  and  the  wider  community  to 

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<v Speaker 5>understand  the  importance  of  looking  after  biodiversity  around  the  world.


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<v Speaker 5>We  want  them  to  know  what  the  issues  are.  And 

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<v Speaker 5>if  that  means  they  make  some  sensible  decisions  about  anything 

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<v Speaker 5>in  their  lives,  then  that's  been  a  very  positive  outcome.

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<v James Wong>This  story  is  far  from  lighthearted  or  eccentric.  In  reality, 

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<v James Wong>a  multi- million  pound  trade  in  plant  trafficking  is  seeing 

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<v James Wong>rare  species  ripped  from  their  natural  habitats.  Mules,  employed  to 

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<v James Wong>break  the  law  and  species  smuggled  without  regard  to  consequences 

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<v James Wong>for  disease,  sustainability  and  life  on  earth.  So  the  question 

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<v James Wong>is  who  would  steal  an  endangered  plant?  I  met  up 

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<v James Wong>with  Carley  Cowell.  Carley  is  Kew  Senior  Science  Policy  advisor 

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<v James Wong>for  the  CITES  team.  You  might  want  to  remember  that 

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<v James Wong>acronym  CITES,  because  you're  going  to  hear  a  bit  more 

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<v James Wong>of  it.  CITES  is  the  Convention  on  International  Trade  in 

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<v James Wong>Endangered  Species  of  Wild  Flora  and  Fauna.  Bit  of  a 

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<v James Wong>mouthful,  so  you  can  see  why  they  needed  a  snappier  title.

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<v Carly Cowell>South  Africa  is  a  biodiversity  hotspot.  One  of  the  smallest 

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<v Carly Cowell>plant  kingdoms  in  the  world,  being  only  in  a  single 

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<v Carly Cowell>country,  whereas  there's  other  plant  kingdoms  that  span  continents,  and 

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<v Carly Cowell>this  just  leads  to  that  element  of  being  rare  and 

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<v Carly Cowell>having  a  high  status.  And  when  I  was  living  and 

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<v Carly Cowell>working  there,  my  role  was  to  go  and  to  search 

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<v Carly Cowell>for  these  rare  plants  and  to  locate  them,  check  their 

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<v Carly Cowell>population,  see  that  they  were  surviving  in  the  wild and that they  were 

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<v Carly Cowell>healthy.  And there  were  no  threats  to  them.  The  conservation,  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>basic  form  of  conservation.  What  we  did  find  unfortunately,  was 

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<v Carly Cowell>that  there  was  the  dark  side  of  things  where  people 

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<v Carly Cowell>wanted  to  then  collect  these  rare  plants  and  sell  them 

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<v Carly Cowell>for  their  rarity.
 We  would  often  find  that  we'd  go 

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<v Carly Cowell>to  a  population,  count  the  numbers,  and  then  return  to 

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<v Carly Cowell>go  back  and  see  if  they'd  set  seed  or  some. 

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<v Carly Cowell>And  they  were  gone.  They'd  been  collected,  ripped  out  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>ground.  There  were  just  holes  left.  Taken  to  garden  centers 

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<v Carly Cowell>or  collectors  in  South  Africa,  but  a  lot  for  export 

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<v Carly Cowell>to  the  states,  Europe  and  Singapore.  We  were  aware  of 

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<v Carly Cowell>an  individual  who'd  come  through  from  Eastern  Europe  and  was 

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<v Carly Cowell>traveling  in  South  Africa,  had  been  known  to  collect  reptiles 

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<v Carly Cowell>illegally,  and  we  were  tracking  him.  And  the  news  came 

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<v Carly Cowell>that  he  had  entered  a  national  park  and  that  he 

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<v Carly Cowell>was  in  the  vicinity  and  we  tracked  him  down  and 

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<v Carly Cowell>got  to  his  guest  house.  We  searched  and  in  his 

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<v Carly Cowell>bathroom,  we  found  over  2000  succulent  plant  species.
 We  found 

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<v Carly Cowell>reptiles,  snakes  and  lizards,  but  plants.  An  entire  bathroom  with 

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<v Carly Cowell>2000  meticulously  labeled  and  packaged.  It  was  just  unbelievable,  but 

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<v Carly Cowell>it  was  gut  wrenching  at  the  same  time,  because  he 

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<v Carly Cowell>was  not  a  botanist  and  a  conservationist.  If  you  collect 

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<v Carly Cowell>something  as  a  botanist,  you  take  the  locality,  you  know 

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<v Carly Cowell>where  it  came  from,  because  you'd  like  to  go  back 

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<v Carly Cowell>and  see  if  the rest of  the  population,  because  you  wouldn't  take 

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<v Carly Cowell>an  entire  population  was  still  thriving.  These  plants  were  just  taken.

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<v James Wong>Carly  is  often  found  in  Kew's  Jodrell  laboratory,  working  with 

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<v James Wong>teams  in  the  wood  anatomy  lab  and  the  taxonomist  as 

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<v James Wong>well.  She's  also  regularly  based  in  Kew's  millennium  seed  bank 

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<v James Wong>at  Wakehurst  and  works  closely  with  government  departments.  She  is 

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<v James Wong>passionate  that  we  can  change  our  attitude  to  what's  green 

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<v James Wong>and  unseen.

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<v Carly Cowell>I  think  growing  up  in  South  Africa  and  seeing  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>species  in  the  wild  ray  and  common  plants  and  just 

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<v Carly Cowell>ecosystems  functioning  on  a  more  natural  level,  I  want  others 

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<v Carly Cowell>to  experience  that.  I  want  it  to  remain  as  it 

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<v Carly Cowell>is.  My  belief  is  that  we  are  custodians  for  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>earth.  We  are  to  look  after  it  and  guard  it 

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<v Carly Cowell>and  let  it  function  as it  is  meant  to  be.  It's 

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<v Carly Cowell>not  for  us  to  plunder  and  pillage  and  use  for 

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<v Carly Cowell>our  own  personal  gain,  come  what  may  for  nature.  That's 

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<v Carly Cowell>my  driving  factor.  I  want  to  be  a  custodian.  I 

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<v Carly Cowell>want  to  protect  the  earth  and  I  want  generations  to 

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<v Carly Cowell>come  to  experience  what  I've  experienced.

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<v James Wong>So  one of the things that I find  really  intriguing  is  how  do  these  plants  smuggling 

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<v James Wong>networks  operate?  Like  how  do  they  operate  on  the  ground?

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<v Carly Cowell>From  my  past  experience  of  working  in  conservation  and  particularly 

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<v Carly Cowell>protected  areas,  they  function  the  same  way  as  any  illegal 

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<v Carly Cowell>crime  syndicates  would  function.  You've  got  the  kingpins  at  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>top  with  lots  of  money,  supplying  a  demand  for  something 

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<v Carly Cowell>rare  and  highly  valuable.  And  it  filters  down  to  those 

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<v Carly Cowell>who  are  actually  on  the  ground  doing  poaching,  are  often 

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<v Carly Cowell>the  poor  poverty- stricken  people  who  are  desperate,  who  don't 

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<v Carly Cowell>have  other  options  in  society.  And  don't  have  a  fallback 

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<v Carly Cowell>from  government  for  funding.  So  they  are  the  ones  actually 

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<v Carly Cowell>putting  their  lives  on  the  line  and  going  out  and 

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<v Carly Cowell>doing  the  poaching.

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<v James Wong>It's  quite  difficult.  It's  a  network  of  organized  crime,  that's 

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<v James Wong>really  analogous  to  things  like  the  trade  in  drugs,  for 

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<v James Wong>example.  And  it  can  be  almost  impossible  for  non- geeks 

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<v James Wong>to  think  about  plants  as  being  that  valuable.

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<v Carly Cowell>The  ones  we're  talking  about  are  newly  discovered  species,  species 

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<v Carly Cowell>on  the  brink  of  extinction,  where  there's  only  a  handful. 

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<v Carly Cowell>And what  I mean by  a  handful,  I  mean  like  literally  five.  As 

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<v Carly Cowell>in  five  fingers,  that's  left.  So  they  become  sought  after, 

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<v Carly Cowell>a  bragging  right  for  these  collectors  that  have  them.  I've 

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<v Carly Cowell>got  one  of  the  last  remaining  15  plants.  So  they 

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<v Carly Cowell>put  this  value  on  them  that  is  just  exorbitant  and 

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<v Carly Cowell>is  unrealistic.  When  you  think  of  the  fact  that  you 

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<v Carly Cowell>could  mass  produce  them  like  the  ones  in  the  garden 

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<v Carly Cowell>center  and  everyone  could  have,  but  then  you  wouldn't  have 

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<v Carly Cowell>that  status  of  owning  that  rare  plant.
 It's  soul  destroying 

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<v Carly Cowell>at  a  level.  You  feel  you've  failed  them  in  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>wild.  There's  a  term  known  as  plant  blindness,  which  is 

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<v Carly Cowell>prevalent  across  the  world  through  all  societies.  As  humans,  we've 

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<v Carly Cowell>evolved  from  being  chased  by  things  that  could  eat  us. 

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<v Carly Cowell>So  we  needed  to  actually  see  them  coming  first,  rather 

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<v Carly Cowell>than  the  green  plants,  which  weren't  so  much  of  a 

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<v Carly Cowell>threat.  So  we  phase  out  the  green  into  the  background 

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<v Carly Cowell>and  we  look  for  things  that  are  moving  or  bright 

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<v Carly Cowell>colors  or  hairy.  So  we're  blind  to  plants.  They're  just 

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<v Carly Cowell>there.  They  always  have  been  and  they  always  will  be.

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<v James Wong>These  are  organized  criminal  networks,  and  that  can  have  a 

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<v James Wong>very  human  cost  when  plants  may  be  worth  millions  of 

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<v James Wong>pounds.  The  consequences  to  conservationists  on  the  ground,  trying  to 

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<v James Wong>protect  both  can  be  illness.  Like  I  understand  you  have 

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<v James Wong>experience  of this  in  national  parks  in  Mozambique.

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<v Carly Cowell>Yes,  I  personally  wasn't  there,  but  I  had  colleagues  that 

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<v Carly Cowell>we  work  closely  with  on  the  Kruger  National  Park,  Mozambique 

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<v Carly Cowell>border.  The  rangers  protecting  very  rare  cycads  that  grow  in 

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<v Carly Cowell>Mozambique  and  across  the  border  in  South  Africa,  were  being 

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<v Carly Cowell>poached.  And  they  were  being  shot  at,  and  people  lost 

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<v Carly Cowell>their  lives  because  of  protecting  rare  plants.

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<v James Wong>So  apart  from  orchids  and  cacti,  cycads  are  this  other 

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<v James Wong>group  of plants where there's  a  massive  business.

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<v Carly Cowell>Yes.  So  cycads  hold  the  dubious  title  of  being  some 

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<v Carly Cowell>of  the  oldest  plants  in  the  world.  They're  known  as 

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<v Carly Cowell>living  fossils.  And  they  were  around  during  the  Jurassic  period 

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<v Carly Cowell>with  the  dinosaurs.  They  probably  covered  the  entire  earth,  but 

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<v Carly Cowell>now  they're  just  stuck  in  a  few  pockets,  clinging  onto 

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<v Carly Cowell>the  edge  of  survival.  They're  highly  sought  after.  They're  extremely 

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<v Carly Cowell>old  and  the  older  the  cycad  and  the  fewer  they 

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<v Carly Cowell>are  of  its  kind,  the  price  is  then  a  lot 

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<v Carly Cowell>higher.  And  we're  talking  hundreds  of  thousands  of  pounds  to 

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<v Carly Cowell>millions,  depending  on  the  species,  its  rarity  and  its  age. 

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<v Carly Cowell>The  high  price  of  these  individual  plants and  the  older  they 

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<v Carly Cowell>are  and  the  rarer  they  are,  although,  there's  a  risk 

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<v Carly Cowell>of  being  caught,  there's  very  little  prosecution  and  jail  time.


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<v Carly Cowell>And  the  fines  are  minuscule  compared  to  the  prices  that 

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<v Carly Cowell>these  items  are  actually  sold  at  the  end.  The  people 

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<v Carly Cowell>who  know  the  plants  and  love  them  and  have  studied 

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<v Carly Cowell>them,  don't  get  paid  very  well  for  it.  It's  not 

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<v Carly Cowell>a  high  profile,  highly  paid  job.  So  they  do  sometimes 

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<v Carly Cowell>turn  to  the  illegal  trade  where  they  can  then  use 

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<v Carly Cowell>their  skills  and  expertise  to  sell  these  plants  on  to 

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<v Carly Cowell>those  collectors  who  will  pay  thousands  or  millions  for  them.

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<v James Wong>Thanks  for  listening  to  Unearthed.  I'll  be  back  again  in 

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<v James Wong>just  a  minute,  but  first  here's  a  message  from  our 

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<v James Wong>supporter,  Kim  Katra.

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<v Speaker 7>As  a  charity,  the  Royal  Botanic  Gardens  Kew  is  facing 

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<v Speaker 7>a  severe  funding  crisis  right  now.  The  impact  of  coronavirus 

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<v Speaker 7>has  created  a  financial  shortfall  of  15  million  pounds.  This 

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<v Speaker 7>money  is  vital  for  the  upkeep  of  these  beautiful  botanic 

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<v Speaker 7>gardens  and  crucial  to  continuing  its  global  conservation  work.  Plants 

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<v Speaker 7>and  fungi  hold  many  of  the  answers  to  the  world's 

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<v Speaker 7>biggest  challenges  such  as  climate  change,  food  security  and  biodiversity 

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<v Speaker 7>loss.  And  Kew  needs  to  play  a  role  in  furthering 

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<v Speaker 7>the  science  and  identifying  desperately  needed  solutions.  If  there's  one 

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<v Speaker 7>positive  thing  that  could  come  out  of  this  pandemic,  it 

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<v Speaker 7>will  be  to  encourage  each  and  every  one  of  us 

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<v Speaker 7>to  look  afresh  and  with  urgency  at  these  global  challenges.


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<v Speaker 7>If  you  are  enjoying  this  podcast  and  feel  inspired  by 

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<v Speaker 7>the  work  that  Kew  does,  please  go  to  kew.org  to 

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<v Speaker 7>donate  today.  To  help  not  only  protect  Kew,  but  also 

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<v Speaker 7>preserve  the  future  of  our  planet.

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<v James Wong>Accidental  crime  can  happen  when  people  aren't  used  to  thinking 

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<v James Wong>about  the  global  impact  of  small  actions,  but  what  about 

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<v James Wong>the  more  conscious  and  perhaps  more  sinister  trade.  A  global 

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<v James Wong>illegal  plant  trade  doesn't  respect  the  natural  population,  habitat  or 

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<v James Wong>biodiversity  of  a  species.  I  spoke  to  Guy  Clark  at 

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<v James Wong>the  UK  Border  Force  at  Heathrow  airport.

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<v Guy Clark>I've  been  doing  this  work  for  approximately  25  years.  And 

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<v Guy Clark>before  that  I  ran  a  drugs  anti- smuggling  team  at 

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<v Guy Clark>Heathrow  for  10  years  before  that.  So  my  whole  career 

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<v Guy Clark>is  mainly  airport  based  with  a  few  visits  to  the 

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<v Guy Clark>UK  ports  thrown  in.  Some  of  the  more  unusual  items 

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<v Guy Clark>we've  seized.  We've  had  tins  of  soup  made  from  sea 

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<v Guy Clark>turtles  and  the  sea  turtle  is  listed  on  appendix  one 

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<v Guy Clark>of  CITES.  So  there's  no  commercial  trade.  We've  had  motor 

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<v Guy Clark>vehicles  made  here  in  the  UK  that  have  been  exported 

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<v Guy Clark>abroad  and  all  the  leather  inside  was  crocodile  skin.  And 

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<v Guy Clark>they  didn't  have  any  of  the  right  CITES  permits  because 

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<v Guy Clark>all  crocodiles  and  alligators  are  controlled.  So  not  only  your 

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<v Guy Clark>expensive  handbags,  but  any  skin  items  and-

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<v James Wong>But  just  the idea of  not  knowing  where  to  look.  If  someone 

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<v James Wong>was  exporting  a  car,  I  just  would  never,  ever  have 

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<v James Wong>imagined  that  UK  Border  Force  would  need  to  look  at  it.

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<v Guy Clark>Now,  what  varies  in  the  detection  side  of  things  is 

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<v Guy Clark>not  just  the  illegal  wildlife  trade.  It's  drugs,  its  illegal 

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<v Guy Clark>migrants,  it's  conflict  diamonds.  So  we  have  a  wide  range 

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<v Guy Clark>of  duties,  but  we  do  have  a  number  of  the 

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<v Guy Clark>more  unusual  tasks  allocated  to  us,  dealing  with  the  restricted 

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<v Guy Clark>parts  and  animals,  is  one  of  those where  the  large  numbers 

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<v Guy Clark>of  species  controlled  under  the  CITES  convention.  Now  there's  about  28,

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<v Guy Clark>000 plants  and  trees  controlled  under  the CITES  convention  and  round  about 7,

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<v Guy Clark>000  animals.  We  know  where  our  high  risk  countries  of 

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<v Guy Clark>origin  are.  We  know  where  high  risk  plant  and  timber 

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<v Guy Clark>species  come  from.  So  we  can  narrow  down  our  controls 

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<v Guy Clark>and  focus  and  deploy  to  those  flights  or  those  ships 

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<v Guy Clark>that  bring  in  containers  or  flights  that  bring  in  air 

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<v Guy Clark>cargo  and  mail  for  the  high  risk  countries.
 So  for 

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<v Guy Clark>plants  where  we're  talking  about  Southeast  Asia,  India,  sometimes  the 

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<v Guy Clark>United  States.  So  we  can  focus  in  on  those  areas 

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<v Guy Clark>that  we  know  are  high  risk.  And  with  our  intelligence 

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<v Guy Clark>exchanges,  that  helps  make  our  job  a  bit  easier.  It 

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<v Guy Clark>is  difficult.

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<v James Wong>So  how  does  the  Border  Force  work  with  Kew?

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<v Guy Clark>We  rely  on  the  botanists  at  Kew  to  identify  the 

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<v Guy Clark>species,  particularly  orchids.  Now,  there's  a  large  number  of  orchid 

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<v Guy Clark>species  from  Southeast  Asia  that  have  the  highest  levels  of 

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<v Guy Clark>protection  under  CITES.  So  there  should  be  no  commercial  trade 

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<v Guy Clark>in  these  species.  When  we  see  a  plant,  it's  probably 

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<v Guy Clark>going  to  have  no  indication  of  what  the  species  is. 

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<v Guy Clark>It'll  just  be  wrapped  up  in  newspaper.  So  we  have 

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<v Guy Clark>had  occasions  where  it's  taken  two  or  three  months  before 

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<v Guy Clark>the  plant  has  actually  flowered  before  the  botanists  are  able 

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<v Guy Clark>to  determine  the  exact  species.  We  have  had  a  commercial 

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<v Guy Clark>importer  who  was  smuggling  appendix  one,  orchids  in  his  suitcases 

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<v Guy Clark>through  terminal  three.  And  he  got  a  custodial  sentence  for 

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<v Guy Clark>three  months  in  prison  on  each  of  the  charges,  when 

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<v Guy Clark>the  botanists  at  Kew  or  Peter  Gasson,  the  wood  anatomist.


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<v Guy Clark>Now  they  will  do  their  examinations  and  should  a  case 

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<v Guy Clark>go  to  court  and  the  orchid  case  that I referred  to  earlier. 

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<v Guy Clark>It  was  the  first  time  an  impact  statement  had  been 

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<v Guy Clark>prepared  by  a  scientific  institution  in  a  UK  court.  The 

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<v Guy Clark>impact  statement  is  now  used  in  all  wildlife  cases,  both 

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<v Guy Clark>here  in  the  UK  now  and  abroad.  And  that  actually 

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<v Guy Clark>provides  the  court  with  information  about  the  damage  the  smugglers 

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<v Guy Clark>are  causing  by  taking  the  plants  from  the  wild  in 

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<v Guy Clark>their  range  states.  If  you're  going  to  buy  plants,  it's 

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<v Guy Clark>much  better  to  buy  plants  from  nurseries,  approved  nurseries  that 

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<v Guy Clark>have  got  a  chain  of  documentation  to  show  where  their 

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<v Guy Clark>products  originated  rather  than  digging  plants  up  in  the  wild. 

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<v Guy Clark>Not  only  do  you  damage  the  environment  there,  but  you 

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<v Guy Clark>risk  bringing  disease  and  other  pests  into  the  UK  when 

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<v Guy Clark>you  smuggle  them  through.  And  no  one  really  wants  that.

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<v James Wong>The  global  wood  industry  has  seen  a  boom.  This  in 

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<v James Wong>demand  oil  found  in  fragrances  and  cosmetics  can  be  purchased 

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<v James Wong>for  a  small  fortune  on  the  high  street.  It's  created 

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<v James Wong>from  the  wood  chips  or  shavings  of  Agarwood,  a  resonance 

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<v James Wong>timber  found  at  the  hardwood  of  Aquilaria  Chis  native  to 

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<v James Wong>Southeast  Asia.  When  trees  are  infected  by  a  certain  mold, 

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<v James Wong>it  turns  the  wood  dark  and  the  tree  then  creates 

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<v James Wong>a  strongly  centered  resin  to  protect  itself.  Tips  from  these 

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<v James Wong>infected  hardwoods  are  used  to  create  the  purist  extract,  but 

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<v James Wong>the  leftover  shavings  can  be  used  to  make  a  lower 

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<v James Wong>quality,  less  intense  oil  too.  High  value  is  placed  upon 

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<v James Wong>wild  sources  of  the  soil,  but  this  hasn't  been  without 

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<v James Wong>its  problems.  And  over- harvesting  has  led  to  habitat  loss 

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<v James Wong>and  international  monitoring  of  the  wood  trade.  Carly  told  me  more.

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<v Carly Cowell>Many  cultures  are  being  spread  around  the  world  and  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>elements  of  this  oil  are  it's  so  potent.  You  only 

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<v Carly Cowell>need  a  few  drops  in  the  base  of  a  fragrance 

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<v Carly Cowell>for it  to  last  for  ages  and  to  be  fantastic.  It's 

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<v Carly Cowell>the  best  I  can  describe  it.  The  thing  is  that 

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<v Carly Cowell>to  produce  this  oil,  certain  trees  known  as  Agarwood  trees 

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<v Carly Cowell>actually  have  to  be  infected  by  a  certain  fungus.  So 

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<v Carly Cowell>they  get  a  wound,  a  tree  loses  a  branch  in 

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<v Carly Cowell>a  storm  and  it  gets  infected.  And  the  infection  actually 

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<v Carly Cowell>forms  this  oil,  which  is  then  extracted  and  only 2%  of 

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<v Carly Cowell>trees  that  are  infected,  even  produce  this  oil.  So  it's 

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<v Carly Cowell>very  rare  and  it's  just  escalated  from  being  very  rare 

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<v Carly Cowell>in  the  trees  and  being  harvested  to  being  very  potent. 

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<v Carly Cowell>And  therefore  with  those  two  factors  that  it's  a  really 

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<v Carly Cowell>good  oil  and  it's  also  rare,  the  price  is  astronomical. 

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<v Carly Cowell>It's  roughly  about  1000  pounds  for  500  moles  of  the 

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<v Carly Cowell>essence  of  the  oil.

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<v James Wong>Carly  and  her  Kew  colleagues  are  also  actively  engaged  in 

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<v James Wong>good  old  fashioned  intelligence  work  to  track  and  intercept  illegal 

0:24:16.070 --> 0:24:20.030
<v James Wong>plant  trading  in  other  places.  I  caught  up  with  David 

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<v James Wong>Whitehead  from  Kew's  conservation  policy  team.  He's  been  working  on 

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<v James Wong>a  project  called  Flora  Guard,  which  sees  teams  from  Kew, 

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<v James Wong>the  University  of  Southampton,  criminologists  and  computer  scientists,  all  joining 

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<v James Wong>forces  to  combat  wildlife  crime  on  the  web.

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<v David Whitehead>It  might  be  natural  to  assume  that  wildlife  cyber  crime 

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<v David Whitehead>is  taking  place  in these  sort  of  more  secretive  parts  of 

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<v David Whitehead>the  internet,  the  deep  web  or  the  dark  web.  But 

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<v David Whitehead>in  fact,  studies  have  shown  that,  that's  a  rarity.  The 

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<v David Whitehead>vast  majority  takes  place  on  the  surface  web.

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<v James Wong>And  this  awareness  is  important,  because  many  people  engaging  in 

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<v James Wong>this  trade  may  have  absolutely  no  idea,  both  from  a 

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<v James Wong>buyer  and  seller  side  that  what  they're  doing  is  illegal. 

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<v James Wong>So  how  do  you  even  go  about  this  tracking  with 

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<v James Wong>your  team?  Because  with  the  pure  number  of  entries  on 

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<v James Wong>online  search  engines,  it  must  be  so  difficult.  You  must 

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<v James Wong>be  talking  about  literally  billions  of  entries  that  you'd  have 

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<v James Wong>to  trail  through.

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<v David Whitehead>The  scale  of  the  internet  is  a  real  challenge  for 

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<v David Whitehead>monitoring  and  surveillance  of  wildlife  crime.  And  Flora  Guard  has 

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<v David Whitehead>tried  to  address  this  challenge  by  bringing  together  sophisticated  web 

0:25:38.740 --> 0:25:43.210
<v David Whitehead>searching  and  information  extraction  tools,  which  fall  under  the  umbrella 

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<v David Whitehead>of  artificial  intelligence  or  AI.

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<v James Wong>So  you  literally  have  robot  police  officers,  well,  not...  Yeah, 

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<v James Wong>literally,  and  also  figuratively.

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<v David Whitehead>Perhaps  to  some  extent,  it's  still  important  to  involve  human 

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<v David Whitehead>judgment  in  these  decisions,  particularly  with  an  area  as  complex 

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<v David Whitehead>as  wildlife  crime.  It's  very  difficult  to  prove  illegality.  You 

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<v David Whitehead>have  to  read  between  the  lines  slightly.  So  keeping  a 

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<v David Whitehead>human  in  the  loop  we  might  say  is  also  important. 

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<v David Whitehead>So  the  Flora  Guard  methodology  combines  AI,  web  searching  and 

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<v David Whitehead>information  extraction  tools  with  human  analysis  and  judgment  as  well. 

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<v David Whitehead>Because  there's  always  a  human  story  at  the  other  end 

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<v David Whitehead>behind  it. There's  a  human  story  behind  the  poaching.  There's  a 

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<v David Whitehead>human  story  behind  what  drives  people  to  collect  these  plants 

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<v David Whitehead>and  buy  and  sell  them.  And  understanding  that  is  important 

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<v David Whitehead>as  well,  to  help  formulate  softer  interventions  to  raise  awareness 

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<v David Whitehead>or  change  perceptions  or  perhaps  reduce  demand  for  these  species.

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<v James Wong>Our  exploration  of  the  secret  world  of  plant  crime  leaves 

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<v James Wong>me  more  curious  than  ever  as  to  the  psychology  of 

0:27:04.820 --> 0:27:08.510
<v James Wong>the  modern  day  plant  collector.  Where  poachers  and  mules  may 

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<v James Wong>be  motivated  by  hefty  or  much  needed  financial  rewards,  just 

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<v James Wong>what  is  it  that  drives  someone  who  values  a  plant 

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<v James Wong>so  highly  to  paradoxically  risk  the  future  of the  species  so 

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<v James Wong>that  they  may  have  it  as  their  own.  And  the 

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<v James Wong>team  at  Kew  are  more  torn  than  ever  between  their 

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<v James Wong>passion  to  share  many  of  these  incredible  plants  with  the 

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<v James Wong>public  and  their  duty  to  protect  them  from  theft,  damage 

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:37.560
<v James Wong>or  even  extinction.  How  can  we  move  forward  to  create 

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<v James Wong>a  world  where  respect  for  plants  extends  to  an  understanding 

0:27:41.449 --> 0:27:47.439
<v James Wong>of  how  individual  actions  can  impact  entire  ecosystems?
 Perhaps  when 

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<v James Wong>we  have  a  culture  where  the  green  is  more  visible 

0:27:50.100 --> 0:27:53.100
<v James Wong>and  people  are  educated  on  the  crucial  role  that  plants 

0:27:53.100 --> 0:27:58.159
<v James Wong>play,  we'll  be  able  to  better protect  life  on  earth.  So 

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<v James Wong>whose  place  is  it  to  speak  for  plants?

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<v Carly Cowell>I think  it's  everyone's.  Everyone  who  interacts  with  plants  should  be 

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<v Carly Cowell>speaking  for  them  and  recognizing  them  and  dismissing  the  plant 

0:28:10.260 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Carly Cowell>blindness  and  valuing  them  more.  There's  support  for  wildlife  crime 

0:28:15.879 --> 0:28:22.269
<v Carly Cowell>of  animals  in  mess,  but  there's  no  fund  for  cycads, 

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<v Carly Cowell>for  developing  countries  to  get  these  agricultural  systems  going,  that 

0:28:27.340 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Carly Cowell>could  produce  these  plants  that  are  highly  sought  after  and 

0:28:30.939 --> 0:28:33.010
<v Carly Cowell>being  pillaged  from  the  wild.

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<v James Wong>In  the  meantime,  life  looks  set  to  get  a  lot 

0:28:36.929 --> 0:28:41.150
<v James Wong>trickier  for  illegal  plant  traders.  Thanks  to  the  intelligence  work, 

0:28:41.380 --> 0:28:43.990
<v James Wong>there's  fighting  to  keep  plants  where  they're  supposed  to  be. 

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<v James Wong>Next  time  on  Unearthed,  from  Royal  Botanic  Gardens,  Kew.

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<v Speaker 10>She  was  in  possession  of  the  raw  material,  with  evidence 

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<v Speaker 10>that it was in  the  Curry.  So  if  we  could  put  every  bit 

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<v Speaker 10>of  the  stage  together,  enable  the  police  to  have  a 

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<v Speaker 10>pretty  solid  case.

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<v James Wong>We'll  find  out  how  a  love  spurns  murderer  was  brought 

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<v James Wong>to  justice,  thanks  to  the  plant  detectives  here  at  Kew. 

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<v James Wong>I'm  James  Wong.  Thanks  for  listening.