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<v Cate Blanchett>You  really  are  on  the  edge  of  South  Downs.  Could 

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<v Cate Blanchett>you  describe  it  as  a  natural  landscape  or...

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  the  landscape  we're  driving  through  now  is  not  really 

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<v Ted Chapman>natural.  No.  So,  these  fields  are  arable  fields,  so  they 

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<v Ted Chapman>would  normally  be  gray  cereals,  but  for  this  year,  at 

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<v Ted Chapman>least  they've  been  sown  with  it  looks  like  some  kind 

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<v Ted Chapman>of  wild  seed  mix.

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<v Cate Blanchett>I'm  in  a  Jeep  lurching  over  a  dusty  single  track 

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<v Cate Blanchett>road  where  deep  in  the  South  Downs  National  Park,  which 

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<v Cate Blanchett>is  just  beyond  Brighton  on  England's  southern  coast.

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<v Ted Chapman>Skylarks  are  taking  advantage  of  that  because  they  nest  in 

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<v Ted Chapman>the  ground.  So,  they're  probably  nesting.

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<v Cate Blanchett>You  can  hear  them  outside.  That's  Ted  Chapman  behind  the 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Wheel  UK  Conservation  Partnerships  Coordinator  at  Kew's  Millennium  Seed  Bank 

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<v Cate Blanchett>at  Wakehurst.  He's  also  my  guide  for  today.

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  these  hills  that  we're  driving  over  now  are  all 

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<v Ted Chapman>chalk,  and  the  chalk  is  really  close  to  the  surface. 

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  the  soil  here  is  only 10 or  20  centimeters  deep  and 

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<v Ted Chapman>that  very  chalky  soil,  very  low  fertility,  very  sharply  drained, 

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<v Ted Chapman>it  drains  really  quickly.  That's  really  what  informs  the  type 

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<v Ted Chapman>of  vegetation  that  we  have,  and  that's  what  makes  this 

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<v Ted Chapman>habitat  special  because  these  types  of  soil  conditions  and  rock 

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<v Ted Chapman>conditions  are  not  found  very  commonly.

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<v Cate Blanchett>We're  heading  to  Castle  Hill  National  Nature  Reserve,  which  is 

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<v Cate Blanchett>looked  after  by  Natural  England,  and  I'm  joining  Ted  and 

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<v Cate Blanchett>his  team  to  collect  wild  seeds.  Is  this  somewhere  where 

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<v Cate Blanchett>you'd  come  see  collecting  a  lot?  Is  this  an  annual  pilgrimage?

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  we've  collected  a  lot  of  seed  in  Castle  Hill 

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<v Ted Chapman>in  sites  like  this,  because  the  chalk  grassland  supports  an 

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<v Ted Chapman>exceptionally  diverse  flora,  and  many  of  those  species  are  highly 

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<v Ted Chapman>specialized  and  quite  rare.  So,  because  we're  often  targeting  threatened 

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<v Ted Chapman>species,  we're  often  found  in  places  like  this.

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<v Cate Blanchett>The  MSB's  central  mission  is  to  gather  wild  seeds  from 

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<v Cate Blanchett>across  the  globe,  preserving  them  to  safeguard  the  future  of 

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<v Cate Blanchett>our  planet.  This  work  focuses  on  species  under  threat  around 

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<v Cate Blanchett>the  world,  often  found  in  far- flung  countries.  However,  you 

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<v Cate Blanchett>might  be  surprised  to  know  that  some  of  the  species 

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<v Cate Blanchett>most  in  need  of  protection  are  much  closer  to  home. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>It's  just  magnificent.  It's  so  wide  and  open and there's a  big  smudge 

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<v Cate Blanchett>of  red  down  there  though  poppies.

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<v Ted Chapman>Yeah,  we're  going  to  get  a  close- up  view  of 

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<v Ted Chapman>these  beautiful  poppies.

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<v Cate Blanchett>But  just  as  important  as  place  is  time.  In  seed 

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<v Cate Blanchett>collecting,  timing  is  everything.  What  we're  hoping  for  today is  that 

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<v Cate Blanchett>our  visit  coincides  with  the  precise  moment  the  seeds  are 

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<v Cate Blanchett>ready  to  be  gathered,  so  that  we  can  follow  their 

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<v Cate Blanchett>journey  as  they're  carefully  processed  and  then  stored  for  safekeeping 

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<v Cate Blanchett>in  the  vaults  of  the  Millennium  Seed  Bank  at  Wakehurst. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>I  am  Cate  Blanchett,  Kew's  ambassador  for  Wakehurst,  and  this 

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<v Cate Blanchett>is  Unearthed:  The  need  for  seeds.  Episode  two,  the  present.

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  we  need  to  get  through  this  gate.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Yeah,  I  can  do  it.  It's  the  gate  etiquette.  You 

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<v Cate Blanchett>learn  that  in  Australia  very  quickly.  Oh,  I  see  those 

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<v Cate Blanchett>two  bars  there.

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  the  last  thing  we  want  is  off- road  bikes,  off-

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<v Ted Chapman>road  vehicles  coming  into  the  reserve  and  destroying  the  habitat, 

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<v Ted Chapman>which  would  just  happen  so  easily.  You  can  imagine  these 

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<v Ted Chapman>habitats  takes  centuries  or  millennia  to  evolve,  but  only  seconds 

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<v Ted Chapman>to  destroy.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Yes,  yeah.  Gosh,  there's  this  team  flowers,  isn't  it?

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<v Ted Chapman>Yeah.

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<v Cate Blanchett>They're heavy.

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<v Ted Chapman>They are heavier. Are you okay with that?  And  then  you  twist  it  at  the  top.  That's 

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<v Ted Chapman>it.  Oh,  great.  Okay.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Here we go.

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<v Ted Chapman>Okay.  In  we  go.

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<v Cate Blanchett>We  pass  through  multiple  gates  and  descend  into  a  valley. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>It's  wildly  overgrown  with  shrubs  and  vegetation  encroaching  on  the 

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<v Cate Blanchett>track.  And  then  as  we  lurch  around  a  corner,  the 

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<v Cate Blanchett>tree's  clear  and  I'm  greeted  with  the  most  beautiful  vista. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Oh  my  goodness,  this  is  magnificent.  It  looks  so  ancient 

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<v Cate Blanchett>because  the  hills  are  just  given  away  to  a  flat 

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<v Cate Blanchett>plane.  It's  got  a  smattering  of  poppies.  And  what's  the 

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<v Cate Blanchett>yellow?  Is  that  this  grass...  Man,  it's  so  beautiful.  It's 

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<v Cate Blanchett>almost  like  someone's  taken  a  brush  with  a  thousand  colours.

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<v Ted Chapman>Yes,  yeah.  So,  the  reserve  is  on  these  steep  hillsides 

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<v Ted Chapman>and  then  at  the  bottom  of  the  valley,  we've  got 

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<v Ted Chapman>this  flatter  area  with  deeper  soils.  And  then  we've  got 

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<v Ted Chapman>this  wash  of  poppies.  So,  beautiful.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Something  out  of  The  Wizard  of  Oz.  So, if  you  find 

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<v Cate Blanchett>me  asleep  in  there,  rescue  me.

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  the  slope  ahead  of  us  is  where  we're  going 

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<v Ted Chapman>to  be  doing  our  harvesting  today.  And  this  is  Castle 

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<v Ted Chapman>Hill  itself.

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<v Cate Blanchett>You  mean  the  green  quite  vertiginous- looking  slope  ahead  of 

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<v Cate Blanchett>us  that's  got  the...

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<v Ted Chapman>Exactly.  So, we can see-

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<v Cate Blanchett>The strawberry on the top.

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<v Ted Chapman>...  we've  got  the  scrub  at  the  top.  We've  got 

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<v Ted Chapman>this  arable  field  at  the  bottom.  We've  got  this  slightly 

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<v Ted Chapman>flatter,  rough  bit  in  between.  And  that  area  was  ploughed 

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<v Ted Chapman>in  the  second  world  war.  And  that's  why  even  now, 

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<v Ted Chapman>it's  still  very  different  to  the  ancient  short  grassland,  which 

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<v Ted Chapman>is  on  the  steep  slope.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  what  was  attempted  to  be  grown  there?

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<v Ted Chapman>That  would've  been  crops  for  eating  in  that  dig  for 

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<v Ted Chapman>victory  effort.  So,  these  soils  are  with  chemical  fertilizers,  they're 

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<v Ted Chapman>quite  amenable  to  growing  things  like  cereals,  wheat,  barley,  flax. 

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<v Ted Chapman>Now  that  farming  ceased  some  decades  ago,  but  even  with 

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<v Ted Chapman>decades  of  very  careful  management,  you  can  see  the  grassland 

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<v Ted Chapman>at  the  bottom  of  the  slope  is  very  different  to 

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<v Ted Chapman>the  grasslands  on  the  sides.

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<v Cate Blanchett>It's  really  green  and  tufty.

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<v Ted Chapman>Yeah.  So,  that  is  good,  but  we  don't  want  too 

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<v Ted Chapman>much  of  that.  We  need  a  good  balance.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  what  makes  this  spot  so  special  apart  from  its 

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<v Cate Blanchett>incredible  beauty?

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<v Ted Chapman>It's  really  the  quality  of  the  chalk  grassland.  So,  we're 

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<v Ted Chapman>going  to  be  in  one  of  the  nicest  patches  in 

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<v Ted Chapman>just  a  second.  You'll  see  the  diversity  of  species  and they're 

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<v Ted Chapman>all  tiny  weeny  because  it's  so  infertile,  but  there  are 

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<v Ted Chapman>many,  many  species  packed  in.  So,  we  can  record  40 

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<v Ted Chapman>or  more  species  in  a  square  metre  here.  So,  this 

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<v Ted Chapman>is  one  of  the  most  plant- diverse  habitats  in  Western 

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<v Ted Chapman>Europe  on  this  small  scale.  So,  it's  really  special  floristically 

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<v Ted Chapman>and  it's  of  course  the  vegetation  then  supports  the  butterflies, 

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<v Ted Chapman>the  other  invertebrates,  the  birds  that  are  associated  with  the 

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<v Ted Chapman>invertebrates  and  so  forth.  So,  that's  really  why  this  is 

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<v Ted Chapman>such  a  special  place.

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<v Cate Blanchett>After  a  quick  safety  briefing  from  Ted  and  his  colleague, 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Isabel  Negri,  UK  Conservation  projects  officer  at the  MSB,  we  start 

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<v Cate Blanchett>to  clamber  up  the  hill.  We  wade  through  some  tall 

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<v Cate Blanchett>grasses  at  the  bottom,  but  they  soon  thin  out.  There's 

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<v Cate Blanchett>so  many  varieties  of  plants  and  I'm  sure  a  myriad 

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<v Cate Blanchett>of  insects  all  thriving  underneath  my  feet.

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<v Ted Chapman>We  try  to  tread  lightly  in  habitats  like  this  where 

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<v Ted Chapman>we  can.  So,  we've  got  into  the  chalk  grassland.  It's 

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<v Ted Chapman>very  low.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  not  as  dense.

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<v Ted Chapman>Much,  much  less  dense.  And  if  you  start  looking  into 

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<v Ted Chapman>the  sword,  you  can  see  there are lots  of  different  species,  different 

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<v Ted Chapman>grasses,  different  species,  and  they're  all  little  thistle  there, a little  bedstraw 

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<v Ted Chapman>there,  all  growing intermeshed,  one  with  another.  And  underneath,  you  can 

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<v Ted Chapman>see  it  now  looking  very  dry  and droughty  this  grey  soil. 

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<v Ted Chapman>That's  the  very  chalky  alkaline  soil.  So,  this  site  is 

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<v Ted Chapman>grazed  by  cattle.  Grazing  is  essential  because  without  the  grazing 

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<v Ted Chapman>this  would  revert  through  scrub  to  woodland  and  the  grassland 

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<v Ted Chapman>would  be  lost.  So,  that  sustained  grazing  at  the  right 

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<v Ted Chapman>level  over  centuries  and  centuries  is  what  has  created  and 

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<v Ted Chapman>maintained  this  landscape.

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<v Cate Blanchett>As  Ted  started  pointing  out  different  plants,  I  began  to 

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<v Cate Blanchett>think  I  was  getting  rather  good  at  spotting  unusual  species. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>I  should  work  at the  MSB.

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<v Ted Chapman>Let's  head  up.  We'll  find...  There's  always  so  much  to  see.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Yes.  It's  hard  not  to  get  waylaid.

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<v Ted Chapman>Yeah.

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<v Cate Blanchett>What's  that  little?

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<v Ted Chapman>That  is  rabbit  poo.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Oh, great.  I  might  put  that  in  my  pocket

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  we  don't  aim  to  collect  that.

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<v Cate Blanchett>We  can  use  it  later.  Chocolate  covered  rabbit  poo. Here  I 

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<v Cate Blanchett>was,  thinking  I'd  found  a  rare  seed  rabbit  poo.  Clearly, 

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<v Cate Blanchett>I'm  not  going  to  get  a  job  at  Wakehurst.  After 

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<v Cate Blanchett>my  identification  of  the  rabbit  poo,  we  continued  up  the 

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<v Cate Blanchett>hill  making  our  way  towards  some  orange  markers.

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  these  markers  mark  out  where  we've  got a  really  lovely 

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<v Ted Chapman>population  of  yellow  rattle.  So,  yellow  rattle  is  what  we've 

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<v Ted Chapman>come  here  to  collect  today.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  what's  so  important  about  the  yellow  rattle?  

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  yellow  rattle  is  a  semi- parasitic  species.  So,  that 

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<v Ted Chapman>means  it  produces  its  own  food,  but  it  also  parasitizes 

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<v Ted Chapman>other  species  growing  with  it.  And  that  means  it  reduces 

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<v Ted Chapman>their  vigor.  And  that  makes  it  quite  important  in  this 

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<v Ted Chapman>habitat,  because  it  helps  balance  the  really  vigorous  species  against 

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<v Ted Chapman>the  more  delicate  species  and  allows  those  more  delicate  species 

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<v Ted Chapman>to  thrive.  So,  it's  really  very  important  for  the  kind 

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<v Ted Chapman>of  function  of  the  plants  growing here.

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<v Cate Blanchett>It's  a  regulator.

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<v Ted Chapman>It's  a  regulator,  like  a  community  engineer  almost.  It's  found 

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<v Ted Chapman>in  a  lot  of  grassland  sites.  We  specifically  need  to 

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<v Ted Chapman>collect  it  now  because  we've  used  quite  a  lot  of 

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<v Ted Chapman>the  collection  that  we  have  for  research  work  that  we've 

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<v Ted Chapman>done  looking  at  the  germination  needs  of  this  species.  So, 

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<v Ted Chapman>yellow  rattle  is  actually  a  species  which  has  a  very 

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<v Ted Chapman>narrow  temperature  window  in  which  it  can  germinate.  And  so, 

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<v Ted Chapman>we've  done  some  work  and  Isabel  has  been  involved  in 

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<v Ted Chapman>this  to  work  out  exactly  what  the  minimum  and  maximum 

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<v Ted Chapman>temperature  range  that  yellow  rattle  needs.  And  then  we  model 

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<v Ted Chapman>that  against  climate  change.  So,  we  think  in  50  years' 

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<v Ted Chapman>time,  will  the  climate  still  provide  the  conditions  that  yellow 

0:10:06.270 --> 0:10:09.900
<v Ted Chapman>rattle  and  other  species  need  to  germinate?
 So,  many  species 

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<v Ted Chapman>are  resilient  and  they  will  be  able  to  regenerate  successfully 

0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.559
<v Ted Chapman>in  a  warm  climate.  But  yellow  rattle  is  an  example 

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<v Ted Chapman>of  a  species  which  is  quite  vulnerable,  because  it  needs 

0:10:19.530 --> 0:10:24.449
<v Ted Chapman>cold  winter  conditions  to  break  dormancy  and  germinate.  So,  it's 

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<v Ted Chapman>important  to  understand  that  and  start  thinking  about  how  we 

0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.410
<v Ted Chapman>can  manage  grasslands  and  restoration  projects  to  counter  that  and 

0:10:31.650 --> 0:10:35.220
<v Ted Chapman>build  adaptation  and  make  sure  this  particularly  important  species  survives. 

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  we've  used  seed  to  support  that  research,  so  we 

0:10:39.929 --> 0:10:42.330
<v Ted Chapman>need  to  replenish  that  seed  in the  seed  bank.  So, we've got  it 

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<v Ted Chapman>for  next  time.  So,  the  first  thing  we're  going  to 

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<v Ted Chapman>do  is  find  similar  rattle  and  take  a  look  at 

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<v Ted Chapman>it.  Some  specimens  here.

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<v Cate Blanchett>It's  got a sort  of  a  reddish  brown  stem  with  almost  like 

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<v Cate Blanchett>two  little  pods,  green  pods.

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<v Ted Chapman>That's  right.  Yeah.  Will  it  rattle?  That's  the  seed  rattling 

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<v Ted Chapman>around  and  that's  how  it  gets  its  name.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  you  want  to  collect  them  when  they're  dried?

0:11:08.429 --> 0:11:10.830
<v Ted Chapman>Exactly  right.  So,  we  want  to  collect  seed  at  the 

0:11:10.830 --> 0:11:13.800
<v Ted Chapman>point  of  natural  dispersal.  So,  that's  when  it's  being  dispersed 

0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.910
<v Ted Chapman>into  the  environment.  That's  when  it's  mature,  it's  when  its 

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<v Ted Chapman>longevity.  So,  the  amount  of  time it  will  be  able  to 

0:11:19.830 --> 0:11:22.020
<v Ted Chapman>survive  in  the  seed  bank  is  at  its  greatest.

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<v Cate Blanchett>It  struck  me  as  almost  paradoxical  that  we  were  gathering 

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<v Cate Blanchett>seeds  from  the  very  habitat  where  I  just  learned  how 

0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.540
<v Cate Blanchett>vital  they  are  as  nature's  own  community  engineers.  But  Ted 

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<v Cate Blanchett>and  his  team  work  by  a  clear  principle.  You  never 

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<v Cate Blanchett>take  more  than  20%  of  the  seeds  in  the  field. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Each  of  the  pods  are  filled  with  tiny  seeds.  And 

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<v Cate Blanchett>so,  our  collection  begins  with  some  counting.

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<v Ted Chapman>Okay,  I  make  that  25  in  my  patch.

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<v Cate Blanchett>There's  quite  a  lot  here  actually.

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<v Isabel Negri>How  many  did  you  find?

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<v Cate Blanchett>I  think  about  between  35 and 40  in  a  square  meter.

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<v Isabel Negri>Oh.

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<v Ted Chapman>Okay.  Yeah,  we  average  at  about  20  plants  per  square  meter.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  a  little  bit  of  maths.

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<v Ted Chapman>I've  crunched  the  numbers  and  I  can  tell  you  that 

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<v Ted Chapman>we  have  approximately  1. 4  million  seeds  in  our  sampling 

0:12:16.950 --> 0:12:19.230
<v Ted Chapman>area  here  of  yellow  rattle.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Yeah,  down.

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<v Ted Chapman>There's  always  tonnes  more  seed  than  you  think  there  is.

0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.190
<v Cate Blanchett>And  just  before  we  start  collecting,  there's  one  more  important  step.

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<v Ted Chapman>If  you've  got  some  seed  in  your  hand,  Isabel-

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<v Isabel Negri>Yes.

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<v Ted Chapman>...  shall  we  see  if  we  can  do  a  cut  test?

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<v Isabel Negri>Yeah.  I'll  pass  it  to  Kate.  There  you go.

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<v Cate Blanchett>A  cut  test  is  used  to  determine  whether  the  seeds 

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<v Cate Blanchett>are  of  good  quality.

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<v Ted Chapman>So,  I'm  going  to  give  you  the  tools  of  the 

0:12:40.290 --> 0:12:43.260
<v Ted Chapman>trade.  So,  some  snips,  just  watch  yourself.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Little,  they're  very  sharp  scissors.

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<v Ted Chapman>And  so,  the  question  is,  can  you  grip  that  seed 

0:12:50.730 --> 0:12:54.330
<v Ted Chapman>in  the  end  of  your  fingertips?  Carefully  slice  off  the  top.

0:12:54.390 --> 0:12:56.040
<v Cate Blanchett>Am  I  going  into  the  dark  part  of  the  seed?

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<v Ted Chapman>In  the  dark  part,  yeah,  right  through the middle.  Nice.  And then I'll give you  that 

0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.309
<v Ted Chapman>lens.  And  then  if  you  hold  up  joy  and  then 

0:13:02.309 --> 0:13:04.530
<v Ted Chapman>have  a  look,  see if you  can  see-

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<v Cate Blanchett>Oh  gosh.

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<v Ted Chapman>...  anything  white  and  flowery  in there.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Well, on  the  edge  of  the  seed,  there's  a  tiny  bit 

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<v Cate Blanchett>of... It  almost  looks  like  someone's  moved  to  a  white  pencil 

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<v Cate Blanchett>along  the  edge  of  it.

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<v Ted Chapman>That's  probably  what it will look like is like...

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<v Cate Blanchett>Do you want to check?

0:13:20.940 --> 0:13:24.480
<v Ted Chapman>It  will  look  like  a  little  white,

0:13:24.929 --> 0:13:28.230
<v Cate Blanchett>Little  tiny  little  dots.  You  see?

0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.660
<v Ted Chapman>So,  that's  the  end  of  sperm  of the  seed.  It's  its 

0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.330
<v Ted Chapman>food  store.  So,  sometimes  we  can  also  see  the  embryo, 

0:13:33.330 --> 0:13:36.360
<v Ted Chapman>which is the  little  seedling  waiting  to  come  out.  And  if  we 

0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.490
<v Ted Chapman>can  see  those  things,  it  gives  a  clue  that the  seed 

0:13:38.490 --> 0:13:40.770
<v Ted Chapman>has  got  the  potential  to  germinate.  We  don't  know  if 

0:13:40.770 --> 0:13:44.040
<v Ted Chapman>it  definitely  will,  but  it  potentially  could.  If  it's  empty 

0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.100
<v Ted Chapman>or  moldy  or  there's  a  grub,  then  we  know  it's 

0:13:47.100 --> 0:13:50.130
<v Ted Chapman>not  good.  So,  the  cut  test  is  a  really  important 

0:13:50.130 --> 0:13:53.640
<v Ted Chapman>way  we  go  about  in  the  field  just  assessing  the 

0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.809
<v Ted Chapman>likely  quality  of  the  seed.  Yep.  That  seed's  good.  Yep. 

0:13:58.470 --> 0:14:01.260
<v Ted Chapman>So,  yellow  rattles,  it's  a  very  thin  seed.

0:14:01.380 --> 0:14:03.329
<v Cate Blanchett>Yes.  And  the  bulk  of  it's  dark.

0:14:03.330 --> 0:14:08.010
<v Ted Chapman>And the bulk of  it's  dark.  But  those  white  flowery  bits  tell me that  that 

0:14:08.010 --> 0:14:11.250
<v Ted Chapman>seed  is  good.  So,  we've  cut  tested  five  in  total, 

0:14:11.250 --> 0:14:12.870
<v Ted Chapman>four  of  which  were  good  and  one  of  which  was 

0:14:12.870 --> 0:14:15.570
<v Ted Chapman>not  good.  So,  we  could  say  for  the  purposes  of 

0:14:15.570 --> 0:14:22.050
<v Ted Chapman>our  collection  today,  that  about  80%  of  the  seed  here 

0:14:22.350 --> 0:14:26.460
<v Ted Chapman>is  full  and  good.  So,  what  I  would  do  now 

0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.000
<v Ted Chapman>is  I'm  going  to  take  my  1. 4  million  seeds 

0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.210
<v Ted Chapman>in  this  whole  population.  I'm  going  to  work  out  80% 

0:14:33.210 --> 0:14:39.360
<v Ted Chapman>of  that.  So,  you've  got  1, 120,000  approximately  good  seed 

0:14:39.420 --> 0:14:42.690
<v Ted Chapman>in  the  population.  But  our  absolute  maximum  that  we  could 

0:14:42.690 --> 0:14:48.090
<v Ted Chapman>collect  here  is  only  20%  of  that  seed,  which  is  224,

0:14:48.540 --> 0:14:50.880
<v Ted Chapman>000  seed.  So,  there's  tons  of  seed  here.  We  don't 

0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.250
<v Ted Chapman>need  worry  about  depleting  the natural  population.

0:14:53.820 --> 0:14:58.380
<v Cate Blanchett>Over  one  million  seeds  are  available  here,  an  astonishing  number.

0:14:58.590 --> 0:15:00.780
<v Ted Chapman>To  make  our  conservation  collection,  we're  going  to  want  to 

0:15:00.780 --> 0:15:02.910
<v Ted Chapman>get  25  heads  each  because  there  are  three  of  us 

0:15:02.910 --> 0:15:06.090
<v Ted Chapman>collecting  today.  So,  we're  pretty  much  ready  to  go.

0:15:06.330 --> 0:15:09.810
<v Cate Blanchett>We  fan  out,  walking  slowly,  each  of  us  following  our 

0:15:09.810 --> 0:15:13.380
<v Cate Blanchett>own  line  in  parallel  with  one  another  gathering  as  we  go.

0:15:13.740 --> 0:15:17.400
<v Ted Chapman>We're  walking  towards  that  orange  marker.  It's  fine  if  we 

0:15:17.670 --> 0:15:19.440
<v Ted Chapman>wave  around  a  little  bit.  It  doesn't  have  to  be 

0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.390
<v Ted Chapman>a  dead  straight  line,  but  it  just  means  that  we'll 

0:15:21.390 --> 0:15:23.520
<v Ted Chapman>cover  the  whole  area  between  us.

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<v Cate Blanchett>This  is  when  seed  collecting  gets  competitive.  I'm  trying  to 

0:15:29.700 --> 0:15:31.080
<v Cate Blanchett>get  a  lot  of  heads.  There  we  go.

0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.390
<v Isabel Negri>Don't  be  tempted  to  just  collect  the  pretty  ones.

0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:36.720
<v Ted Chapman>No.

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<v Isabel Negri>You  want  the  ugly  ones  too.

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<v Cate Blanchett>No,  that's  a  different  one.  Yeah,  it  hasn't  got  so 

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<v Cate Blanchett>many  heads  on  it.  These  ones  are  really  rattley.  I 

0:15:49.500 --> 0:15:53.220
<v Cate Blanchett>may  have  felt  slightly  competitive,  but  ultimately,  this  is  a 

0:15:53.220 --> 0:15:54.150
<v Cate Blanchett>team  sport.

0:15:54.270 --> 0:15:55.020
<v Ted Chapman>You've  actually  done  it.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Have I?

0:15:55.561 --> 0:15:56.310
<v Ted Chapman>How many have  you  got?

0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.470
<v Isabel Negri>I  think  I've  got  about  25.

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<v Ted Chapman>Okay.  All  right.

0:16:00.060 --> 0:16:01.560
<v Cate Blanchett>I  think  I've  got  about  13.

0:16:01.830 --> 0:16:02.130
<v Ted Chapman>Okay.

0:16:02.550 --> 0:16:03.330
<v Cate Blanchett>Do  I  get  the  job?

0:16:03.660 --> 0:16:03.840
<v Ted Chapman>Yeah.

0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.520
<v Cate Blanchett>The  yellow  rattle  heads  are  scooped  up  into  a  bag, 

0:16:08.700 --> 0:16:12.239
<v Cate Blanchett>carefully  labeled  and  a  specimen  is  pressed.  This  part  of 

0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.030
<v Cate Blanchett>the  process  is  now  complete.  So,  once  we've  collected  the 

0:16:15.030 --> 0:16:18.540
<v Cate Blanchett>seeds,  what  happens  now?  Where  do  we  go?  Where  do 

0:16:18.540 --> 0:16:19.950
<v Cate Blanchett>these  little  seeds  travel?

0:16:19.950 --> 0:16:22.920
<v Ted Chapman>So,  those  seeds  would  be  returned  as  quickly  as  possible 

0:16:23.070 --> 0:16:26.340
<v Ted Chapman>to  the  drying  room  at  the  Millennium  Seed  Bank.  And 

0:16:26.340 --> 0:16:29.670
<v Ted Chapman>that's  where  they'll  start  their  drying  and  can  begin  their 

0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.000
<v Ted Chapman>journey  through  being  cleaned  and  tested  and  ultimately  banked.

0:16:34.590 --> 0:16:42.270
<v Cate Blanchett>Come  on  little  seeds.  Later,  I'll  be  going  inside  the 

0:16:42.270 --> 0:16:45.240
<v Cate Blanchett>MSB  to  see  what  happens  to  the  seeds  when  they 

0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:50.310
<v Cate Blanchett>arrive  at  Wakehurst.  Collections  like  this  are  essential  to  the 

0:16:50.310 --> 0:16:53.580
<v Cate Blanchett>work  of  the  Millennium  Seed  Bank,  but  they're  carried  out 

0:16:53.610 --> 0:16:57.390
<v Cate Blanchett>not  just  on  its  doorstep,  but  also  in  collaboration  with 

0:16:57.390 --> 0:17:01.980
<v Cate Blanchett>partner  organisations  all  over  the  world.  With  a  global  network 

0:17:01.980 --> 0:17:07.109
<v Cate Blanchett>across  nearly  100  countries,  the  MSB  works  with  experts  to 

0:17:07.109 --> 0:17:11.401
<v Cate Blanchett>help  inform  projects  that  will  save  biodiversity  in  myriad  places.

0:17:11.401 --> 0:17:18.780
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>I am  Nattanit  Yiamthaisong.  I  am  a  PhD  student  in  Chiang 

0:17:18.780 --> 0:17:25.320
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>Mai  University.  I'm  working  with  FORRU, which  is  Forest  Restoration  Research 

0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:31.290
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>Unit  or  in  Thai  name  we  call,  Nuay  Wichai Fuenfu Pa. FORRU  and 

0:17:31.710 --> 0:17:36.270
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>MSB  is  like  we  are  the  partnership for  collaboration  around  more 

0:17:36.270 --> 0:17:41.460
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>than  25  years.  FORRU  do  the  research  about  the  restoration 

0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.960
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>and  we  collect the seeds  for  sent  to  the  MSB  and  I 

0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.650
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>am  the  small  part  in the  team  for  collect the seeds  to  send 

0:17:49.650 --> 0:17:50.190
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>it  here.

0:17:50.790 --> 0:17:53.970
<v Cate Blanchett>Nattanit  is  spending  three  months  at  the  MSB  as  part 

0:17:53.970 --> 0:17:58.710
<v Cate Blanchett>of  her  PhD  studying  how  varying  temperatures  influence  seed  germination.

0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.570
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>We want to know if  the  climate  change  or  the  global  warming  in  the 

0:18:03.570 --> 0:18:08.760
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>future,  the  temperature  will  increase  is  maybe  effect  with the  seed 

0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:14.310
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>and  germination  of  the  seed.  We  want  to  know  if 

0:18:14.310 --> 0:18:17.730
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>the  temperature increases effect with the  seed  or  not.  For  two  species  from  Thailand 

0:18:18.180 --> 0:18:22.109
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>in  different  temperature  from  five  to  45  degrees  Celsius.

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<v Cate Blanchett>She  has  come  to  the  Millennium  Seed  Bank  to  access 

0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.760
<v Cate Blanchett>equipment  she  doesn't  have  in  Thailand.

0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.230
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>I  would  like  to  learn  about  everything  here  because  everything 

0:18:31.230 --> 0:18:34.230
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>is  new  thing  for  me.  In  Thailand,  we  have  a 

0:18:34.230 --> 0:18:39.300
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>lot  of  limitation  because  we  don't  have  enough  incubator,  we 

0:18:39.300 --> 0:18:42.750
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>don't  have  enough  machine  to  handle  with the  seed.  Then I  have 

0:18:42.750 --> 0:18:46.800
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>to  come  here  to  use  the  facility,  use  the  machine 

0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:52.500
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>here. It's  like  a  x- ray  machine,  aspirator  or  the  incubator 

0:18:52.619 --> 0:18:56.100
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>that  I  have  to  germinate  the  seed.  After  I  finished 

0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.869
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>the  germination  here,  I  have  to  analyze  it  in  Thailand.

0:19:01.619 --> 0:19:05.850
<v Cate Blanchett>Nattanit's  research  allows  us  to  understand  how  different  seed  species 

0:19:05.970 --> 0:19:10.440
<v Cate Blanchett>respond  to  shifting  temperatures.  Knowledge  that  could  guide  us  in 

0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.730
<v Cate Blanchett>choosing  the  right  seeds  to  use  for  future  restoration.  Her 

0:19:14.730 --> 0:19:18.000
<v Cate Blanchett>work  was  made  possible  by  an  MSB  project  called  the 

0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:22.590
<v Cate Blanchett>Western  Global  Tree  Seed  Bank.  Nattanit  says  that  their  funding 

0:19:22.619 --> 0:19:25.680
<v Cate Blanchett>has  inspired  and  opened  new  doors  for  her  career.

0:19:26.010 --> 0:19:29.430
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>The  scholarship  or  the  fund  for  the  student  is  so 

0:19:29.430 --> 0:19:32.820
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>good  for  Thai  student  or  every  student  who  do  the 

0:19:32.820 --> 0:19:39.000
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>research  for  approve  the  research  and for learn  the  new  things.  And 

0:19:39.060 --> 0:19:43.980
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>everyone  here is  so  nice.  I  like  everything  here.  And  the 

0:19:44.220 --> 0:19:49.260
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>machine  is  so  good,  it's  so  new.  I  think  the 

0:19:49.260 --> 0:19:54.210
<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>MSB  and  the  Seed Bank is like a treasure in the  future  for  everyone.  It's  like  a 

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<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>hope  for  everyone  in  the  future,  because we  don't  know  what 

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<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>happened  in  the  future,  right?  If  we  have  the  result 

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<v Nattanit Yiamthaisong>in  my  hand,  we  can  do  anything  in  the  future.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Once  collected,  the  seeds  must  be  carefully  processed  to  ensure 

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<v Cate Blanchett>that  they  survive  in  the  seed  bank  so  that  researchers 

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<v Cate Blanchett>both  here  at  Wakehurst  and  around the  world  can  use  them 

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<v Cate Blanchett>for  study  or  habitat  restoration.  It's  a  meticulous  and  time-

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<v Cate Blanchett>consuming  process.  So,  not  many  people  get  to  do  this. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>I've  been  invited  inside  the  lab  in  the  Millennium  Seed 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Bank  to  get  a  better  understanding  of  how  the  seeds 

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<v Cate Blanchett>are  actually  banked.  And  showing  me  around  is  seed  curator, 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Sian  McCabe.  Hello,  Sian.

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<v Sian McCabe>Hi, nice to meet you.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Hi.  Hey,  hey.  Can  you  explain  what  are  we  going 

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<v Cate Blanchett>to  do  today?  Oh,  is  that  to  clean  my  feet?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah, yeah.  Just  to  make  sure  you're  not  bringing  any-

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<v Cate Blanchett>There  we  go.

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<v Sian McCabe>...  outdoor.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Everything's nice  and  squeaky  clean.  Biosecurity  is  important  at the  MSB.  So, 

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<v Cate Blanchett>I  slip  on  a  lab  coat.  Very  official.

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<v Sian McCabe>This  is  where the  magic  happens.  We've  stepped  into  the  cleaning 

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<v Sian McCabe>lab,  the  space  where  every  single  seed  is  carefully  freed 

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<v Sian McCabe>from  dust  and  debris  and  seeds  that  are  empty  or 

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<v Sian McCabe>infested  are  removed.  But  before  they're  cleaned,  there's  a  very 

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<v Sian McCabe>important  stop  they  have  to  make.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  this  looks  like  a  freezer,  but  it's  more  like 

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<v Cate Blanchett>a  sauna.

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  it's  18  degrees  Celsius  and  15%  relative  humidity.  And 

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<v Sian McCabe>this  is  really  important  because  with  every  1%  a  seed 

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<v Sian McCabe>is  dried,  it  can  double  the  lifespan  of  the  seed.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  then  what  do  you  do  with  say,  a  recalcitrant 

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<v Cate Blanchett>seed?  So,  the  seeds  that  won't  withstand  the  drying  process.

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<v Sian McCabe>Yep.  So,  we  have  other  different  humidity  rooms.  So,  this 

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<v Sian McCabe>one  is  at  70%,  so  we...

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<v Cate Blanchett>Quite a big difference humidity.

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  yeah.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Sian  told  me  that  90%  of  the  seeds  collected  are 

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<v Cate Blanchett>what  we  call  orthodox.  And  those  orthodox  seeds  can  withstand 

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<v Cate Blanchett>normal  drying  and  freezing  processes.  The  remaining  10%  can't.

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<v Sian McCabe>We  know  not  to  put  them  into  the  dry  room 

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<v Sian McCabe>and  to  treat  them regarding...

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  what's  an  example  of  a  non- orthodox  seed  like  that?

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<v Sian McCabe>They  tend  to  be  food,  so  quite  yummy.  So,  we've 

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<v Sian McCabe>got  avocado  and  I  wouldn't  recommend  eating  it,  but  acorns 

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<v Sian McCabe>are  recalcitrant.  So,  they're  just  a  few  examples.  So,  there's 

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<v Sian McCabe>the  door.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Okay.

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<v Sian McCabe>And  this  is  the  airlock  area.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Ooh.  Through  double  airlock  doors,  we  move  into  a  cool 

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<v Cate Blanchett>unassuming  room  with  every  corner  stacked  and  packed  with  crates.

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  we need  to  make  sure  that  door's  shut,  that's  it, 

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<v Sian McCabe>before  opening  this  one  to  protect  our  seeds.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Like  Star  Wars.

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah, if you just push it.

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<v Cate Blanchett>It  resembles  a  supermarket  store  room.  Yet  here,  I'm  surrounded 

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<v Cate Blanchett>by  seeds  from  all  over  the  world.  There's  lots  of 

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<v Cate Blanchett>plastic  storage  trays  and  there's  some  seeds  in  envelopes  of 

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<v Cate Blanchett>South  Africa,  Sierra  Leone,  Georgia,  Madagascar,  they're  from  all  over. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Greece,  Ghana,  Mozambique.  Goodness.

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  all  these  crates  to  the  right  are  ready  to 

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<v Sian McCabe>clean  and  to  process.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Given  that  you've  got  so  many  seeds,  I  mean  they 

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<v Cate Blanchett>all  obviously  need  to  drive  for  different  amounts  of  time. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>That's  quite  a  complicated  thing  to  matter.

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah.  Yeah,  we  have  species  that  are  super  short- lived, 

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<v Sian McCabe>so  they're  outlined  at  the  beginning.  And  with  some  seeds, 

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<v Sian McCabe>like  with  the  orchid  seeds, we come in,  we  have  to  process  within 

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<v Sian McCabe>two  weeks  to  keep  the  seeds  alive  and  well.  But 

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<v Sian McCabe>with  most  orthodox  non- short  lived  seeds,  six  months  seems 

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<v Sian McCabe>because  we  have  really  big  seeds  that  will  take  longer 

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<v Sian McCabe>to  drive.  So,  the  default  position  of  these  collections  are 

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<v Sian McCabe>in  the  dry  room.  And  when  we  get  out  to 

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<v Sian McCabe>process  them  and  after  each  process,  they'll  go  back  here 

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<v Sian McCabe>to  re- dry.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Once  the  seeds  are  fully  dried,  the  next  step  is 

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<v Cate Blanchett>to  clean  them.  Oh,  there's  a  rack  of  metal.  They 

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<v Cate Blanchett>look  like  film  canisters,  but  they're  not.

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah.

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<v Cate Blanchett>What  goes  on  here.

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  these  are  sieves.  So,  similar  to  what  you'd  have 

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<v Sian McCabe>in  your  kitchen,  but  they're  all  different  pore  sizes.  So, 

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<v Sian McCabe>we  go  from  the  small  this  end.  So,  you  can 

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<v Sian McCabe>see  here  that  it's a  very  fine  mesh.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  that's  for  something  like  dust  particle  seeds  like  the 

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<v Cate Blanchett>orchid  I  imagine?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  exactly.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Wow,  I  can't  imagine  how...  it  feels  so  solid.  How 

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<v Cate Blanchett>could  anything  go  through  there?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  it's  sometimes  to  save  the  seeds  above  it  and 

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<v Sian McCabe>then  the  dust  falls  behind.  And  then  we have  the  larger 

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<v Sian McCabe>ones at  this  end.  This  is  for  the  big  tree  seeds, 

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<v Sian McCabe>and  this  is  what  we  use  to  get  most  of 

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<v Sian McCabe>the  bulk  from  the  collection  to  separate  the  seeds  and the  debris.

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<v Cate Blanchett>There's  a  more  high- tech  solution  too.  This  looks  like 

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<v Cate Blanchett>something  in  a  fun  arcade. 

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<v Sian McCabe>This  machine  is  called  an  aspirator,  and  that  uses  airflow 

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<v Sian McCabe>to  separate  the  light  parts  of  the  collection  to  the 

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<v Sian McCabe>heavy  part.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Looks like  you  put  a  coin  in and it  will  travel  all  the 

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<v Cate Blanchett>way  along.  There's  a  almost  like  a  big  slide.  There's 

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<v Cate Blanchett>an  opening  in  the  top,  goes  into  a  slot,  then 

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<v Cate Blanchett>it  goes  along  a  strange  convoluted  journey  bit.  It's  a 

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<v Cate Blanchett>bit  like  a  pinball  machine.  Is  that  to  shake  things 

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<v Cate Blanchett>off  the  seed  or...

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah.  So,  here's  the  chute.  So,  it's  a  bit  like 

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<v Sian McCabe>a  funnel.  We'll  just  turn  it  down  so  the  seeds 

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<v Sian McCabe>don't  escape.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  you're  popping  the  seeds  in  the  top,  like  peppercorns.

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<v Sian McCabe>There  we go.  So,  in  theory,  the  heavy  parts  are  the 

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<v Sian McCabe>good  full  seeds  and  the  light  parts  are  the  debris 

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<v Sian McCabe>and  the  empty  seeds.  So,  the  light  empty  seeds  get 

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<v Sian McCabe>exposed  to  the  airflow  and  fly  over  to  the  right-

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<v Sian McCabe>hand  side.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Down  the  pinball  machine  sheet.

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah.  And  then  the  heavy  seeds  fall  down.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  that's  done  with  air.

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  this  button,  you  turn  right  to  vary  the  vibrations 

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<v Sian McCabe>of  the  plate  to  move  the  seeds  along.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  they're  bouncing  off  the  side  of  that  chute  and 

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<v Cate Blanchett>then  bouncing  off  it,  that's  shaking.

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<v Sian McCabe>You  can  see  some  bits  of  debris  flying  over  onto 

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<v Sian McCabe>the  right-hand.

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<v Cate Blanchett>I see  the  air  takes  the  light  debris  up  and  down.

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  we've  got  manual  sieving,  and  this  is  a  more  high-

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<v Sian McCabe>tech  version.  And  then  the  very  low- tech  version  is 

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<v Sian McCabe>we  have  a  rubber  mat  and  a  rubber  glove.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Once  the  seeds  have  been  cleaned,  they  are  x- rayed 

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<v Cate Blanchett>to  assess  their  quality.  I  hadn't  really  thought  before  that 

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<v Cate Blanchett>a  seed  could  actually  be  x- rayed.

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<v Sian McCabe>After  cleaning,  it's  really  good  to  see  inside of  the  seed 

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<v Sian McCabe>to  see  whether  there's  still  any  empty  seeds  or  invested 

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<v Sian McCabe>seeds.  As  you  can  see  in  this  image,  we  have 

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<v Sian McCabe>a  few  different  seeds.  So,  here,  you  can  see  the 

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<v Sian McCabe>embryo.  So,  this  is  the  endosperm  surrounding  the  seed.  And 

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<v Sian McCabe>this  is...

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<v Cate Blanchett>Tiny  little  thing.

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<v Sian McCabe>This is  what's  going  to  hopefully  turn  it  into  a  plant. 

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  we  have  some  really  bright  white  images  of  seeds, 

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<v Sian McCabe>which  means  that  it's  a  solid,  lovely,  full  content.  But 

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<v Sian McCabe>here,  can  you  see...

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<v Cate Blanchett>It's  like  a  dark  shadow  in  the  middle

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<v Sian McCabe>It's  a  maggot.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Oh.  It's  a  maggot?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yes.

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<v Cate Blanchett>You've got  three  maggots  in  that  batch?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yep,  but  the  problem  with  maggots  is  when  it  comes 

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<v Sian McCabe>to  cleaning,  if  you  think  back  to  the  aspirator  that 

0:27:28.739 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Sian McCabe>it's  all  based  on  weight  difference.  So,  we  can't  necessarily 

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Sian McCabe>clean  out  this  collection  because  the  weight  of a  seed  with 

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.550
<v Sian McCabe>a  maggot  in  weighs  a  similar  amount  to  a  full 

0:27:41.550 --> 0:27:45.449
<v Sian McCabe>seed.  So,  we  try  our  best,  but  the  maggots  are 

0:27:45.450 --> 0:27:49.290
<v Sian McCabe>usually  not  with  us  after  six  months  of  drying.

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<v Cate Blanchett>After  being  x- rayed,  the  seeds  are  counted  and  then 

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<v Cate Blanchett>taken  underground  to  the  vaults,  the  seed  bank  itself.  Downstairs?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yes. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>Sian  leads  me  there  next,  descending  a  steep  metal  spiral 

0:28:03.869 --> 0:28:07.500
<v Cate Blanchett>staircase  to  arrive  at  the  heart  of  the  building  concealed 

0:28:07.500 --> 0:28:12.179
<v Cate Blanchett>behind  a  thick  metal  door.  So,  this  is  the  door 

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:13.110
<v Cate Blanchett>of  the  vault.

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<v Sian McCabe>This is the door of...

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<v Cate Blanchett>And that is the longest key  I've  ever  seen  in  my  life.

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<v Sian McCabe>Say  about  10, 15  centimeters  long.

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<v Cate Blanchett>I  would say it is.

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<v Sian McCabe>So, we  just  need  to  open  the  very  heavy  door.  Welcome 

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<v Sian McCabe>in.  This  is  actually  the  most  biodiverse  place  in  the  world.

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<v Cate Blanchett>In  this  very  room?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  because  we  have  so  many  species  in.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  are  these  technically  called  the  vaults?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  these  are  the  vaults  where  their  seeds  are  kept 

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<v Sian McCabe>at  minus  20.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Oh  my  goodness.  It  is  absolutely  freezing  in  here.  Arctic. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>It  feels  so  alien.  Almost  like  an  old- fashioned  library. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>You're  expecting  library  cards  to  be  pulled  out  from  these 

0:29:03.510 --> 0:29:07.650
<v Cate Blanchett>metal  trays.  But  along  the  right- hand  side  from  meters 

0:29:07.650 --> 0:29:09.900
<v Cate Blanchett>and  meters  and  meters  are  a  whole  lot  of  preserving 

0:29:09.900 --> 0:29:12.719
<v Cate Blanchett>jars,  which  look  like  the  ones  that  I've  got  at 

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:13.890
<v Cate Blanchett>home  in  my  pantry.

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:17.820
<v Sian McCabe>Yeah.  So,  the  pickling  jars  are  actually  the  best  glass 

0:29:17.820 --> 0:29:18.780
<v Sian McCabe>jars  that  we  have.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  on  the  right- hand  side,  ooh,  it's  really  icy. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>On  this  side  here,  they  almost  look  like  tiny  little 

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<v Cate Blanchett>medicine  or  pill  bottles.

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah.

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  so,  some  seeds  are  stored  in  the  preserving  jars 

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<v Cate Blanchett>and  some?

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<v Sian McCabe>It  all  depends  on  the  size  of  the  collection.  I 

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<v Sian McCabe>can  show  you  some  examples  in  the  warmer.

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<v Cate Blanchett>So,  that's  minus  20?

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<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  minus 20.

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<v Cate Blanchett>I've  been  cold  dipping,  but  really  that  is  quite  cold. 

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<v Cate Blanchett>And  how  many  times  a  day  do  you  go  in  there?

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<v Sian McCabe>Probably  once  or  twice  a  week,  but  we  had  a 

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.870
<v Sian McCabe>fluffy  hat  with  ears  on  to  protect  us,  two  gloves 

0:29:51.870 --> 0:29:55.740
<v Sian McCabe>and  a  really  big  coat  that  makes  me  look  10 

0:29:55.740 --> 0:29:56.670
<v Sian McCabe>times  the  size.

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<v Cate Blanchett>But  not  all  the  seeds  remain  here  locked  away  indefinitely.

0:30:02.490 --> 0:30:05.820
<v Sian McCabe>When  our  seeds  are  ready  to  bank,  we  separate  them 

0:30:05.820 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Sian McCabe>into  two  parts.  So,  we  have  an  active  part.  That's 

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Sian McCabe>the  parts  that  gets  used  for  germination  testing  and  for 

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:19.500
<v Sian McCabe>research  and  for  restoration.  And  then  the  other  part,  which 

0:30:19.500 --> 0:30:23.430
<v Sian McCabe>is  the  base  just  gets  left  there  because  we're  not 

0:30:23.430 --> 0:30:26.340
<v Sian McCabe>sure.  And  taking  seeds  in  and  out  of  the  bank 

0:30:26.460 --> 0:30:30.570
<v Sian McCabe>too  often,  we  don't  want  to  compromise  the  quality  of a 

0:30:30.660 --> 0:30:34.890
<v Sian McCabe>collection.  So,  these  are  all  glass.  So,  it's  really  nice 

0:30:34.890 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Sian McCabe>to  see  the  seeds,  but  we're  moving  more  onto  these 

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:41.100
<v Sian McCabe>foil  bags.

0:30:41.550 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Cate Blanchett>Taking  up  less  space.

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<v Sian McCabe>And  if  you  drop  them  accidentally,  they  don't  break.

0:30:47.340 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Cate Blanchett>But  these  new  bags  that  you've  got,  look  a  little 

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Cate Blanchett>bit  like  my  daughter  got  some  astronaut's  ice  cream.

0:30:53.340 --> 0:30:53.940
<v Sian McCabe>Oh,  yeah.

0:30:53.940 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Cate Blanchett>That  was look like it came into one of those pancakes.

0:30:56.220 --> 0:30:59.370
<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  this  is  exactly  it.  So,  it's  a  thick  foil 

0:30:59.370 --> 0:31:02.340
<v Sian McCabe>sachet  that  we  heat  seal.  So,  yeah,  exactly  what  they 

0:31:02.340 --> 0:31:03.300
<v Sian McCabe>have  in  space.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Storing  the  seeds  is  one  thing,  but  the  team  here 

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.229
<v Cate Blanchett>must  also  ensure  that  they  can  be  brought  back  to 

0:31:10.230 --> 0:31:14.100
<v Cate Blanchett>life  revived  as  fully  fledged  plants  when  needed.  Just  as 

0:31:14.100 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Cate Blanchett>we  heard  in  episode  one,  after  the  fires  in  South 

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:21.510
<v Cate Blanchett>Australia,  this  process  begins  just  a  few  months  after  the 

0:31:21.510 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Cate Blanchett>seeds  are  first  banked  and  then  is  repeated  at  5- 

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:29.910
<v Cate Blanchett>or  10- year  intervals.  It  is  a  meticulous  and  monumental 

0:31:29.910 --> 0:31:30.510
<v Cate Blanchett>task. 

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<v Sian McCabe>You  ready  for  the  heat?

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:35.010
<v Cate Blanchett>Oh,  and  here  we are.

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<v Sian McCabe>So,  this  is  our  germination  lab.

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<v Cate Blanchett>Oh,  wow.  The  smell  is  really,  it's  very strong,  very  earthy. 

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.140
<v Cate Blanchett>You  can  tell  things  are  growing in  here.  You can  really  smell 

0:31:52.140 --> 0:31:59.130
<v Cate Blanchett>the  soil.  These ones are growing, the clappers. Those  ones  are  massive.  They  almost  look  like 

0:31:59.190 --> 0:32:02.460
<v Cate Blanchett>cockroaches,  and  those  ones  almost  look  like  a  moldy  chocolate. 

0:32:04.530 --> 0:32:07.170
<v Cate Blanchett>They're  very  strange  and  the  shape  of  them  is  really 

0:32:07.170 --> 0:32:10.230
<v Cate Blanchett>varied  because  normally,  you  think  about  a  seed  as  looking  uniform.

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Sian McCabe>Yeah,  a  bit  like  humans.  Even  though  we are  the  same 

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:15.510
<v Sian McCabe>species,  we  all  look  a  bit  different,  don't  we?

0:32:15.510 --> 0:32:15.630
<v Cate Blanchett>Really?

0:32:17.310 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Sian McCabe>So,  yeah.

0:32:20.340 --> 0:32:25.260
<v Cate Blanchett>We're  surrounded  by  Petri  dishes  filled  with  germinating  seeds.  Tiny 

0:32:25.290 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Cate Blanchett>emerging  plants  of  every  shape  and  size.  Some  are  gnarled, 

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:34.590
<v Cate Blanchett>like  potato  roots,  others  almost  otherworldly  like  something  from  science 

0:32:34.590 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Cate Blanchett>fiction.  The  lab  simulates  day  and  night,  12  hours  of 

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:45.090
<v Cate Blanchett>UV  light  followed  by  12  hours  of  darkness.  What's  this 

0:32:45.090 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Cate Blanchett>one  here?

0:32:46.500 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Sian McCabe>So,  this  is  a  goat  willow  from  Scotland.  And  as 

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.750
<v Sian McCabe>you  can  see,  it's  got  really  good  germination.  So,  you 

0:32:54.750 --> 0:32:57.510
<v Sian McCabe>can  see  the  part  that's  coming  out  from  the  seed 

0:32:57.510 --> 0:33:00.630
<v Sian McCabe>is  what  we  call  a  radical.  And  the  cotyledons,  which 

0:33:00.660 --> 0:33:03.690
<v Sian McCabe>are  the  first  leads  coming  out.  And  this  is  really 

0:33:03.690 --> 0:33:09.210
<v Sian McCabe>good  because  Salix,  the  goat  willow,  it's  supposed  to  be 

0:33:09.210 --> 0:33:12.510
<v Sian McCabe>super  short- lived,  but  this  has  been  in  our  bank 

0:33:12.510 --> 0:33:17.370
<v Sian McCabe>since  2019.  So,  this  is  five  years  after  checking  to 

0:33:17.370 --> 0:33:18.031
<v Sian McCabe>check  it's  still  alive-

0:33:18.031 --> 0:33:18.032
<v Cate Blanchett>It's still doing.

0:33:18.032 --> 0:33:19.590
<v Sian McCabe>...  and  it's  still  alive.

0:33:20.100 --> 0:33:22.260
<v Cate Blanchett>And  so,  now  that  all  of  these  little  goat  willows 

0:33:22.260 --> 0:33:25.110
<v Cate Blanchett>have  germinated,  will  any  of  those  get  planted  out?

0:33:26.340 --> 0:33:30.690
<v Sian McCabe>Only  if  they're  needed  for  identification  purposes  or  restoration  purposes.

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:39.930
<v Cate Blanchett>Thank  you.  Thanks so much.  I've  had  the  privilege  of  going  inside 

0:33:39.930 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Cate Blanchett>the  working  spaces  of the  MSB  and  of  witnessing  the  seed's 

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Cate Blanchett>journey  from  collection  to  germination.  But  this  is  not  a 

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:52.020
<v Cate Blanchett>world  hidden  away.  Anyone  visiting  Wakehurst  can  step  into  the 

0:33:52.020 --> 0:33:54.780
<v Cate Blanchett>atrium  here  at  the  Millennium  Seed  Bank,  peer  into  the 

0:33:54.780 --> 0:33:58.950
<v Cate Blanchett>labs,  and  even  look  down  at  the  vault  door.  What 

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<v Cate Blanchett>really  strikes  me  is  how  these  tiny,  fragile  beginnings  hold 

0:34:04.140 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Cate Blanchett>such  extraordinary  promise.  I  mean,  each  sprouting  seed  is  a 

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<v Cate Blanchett>quiet  guardian  of  our  future,  a  small,  but  vital  piece 

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<v Cate Blanchett>of  the  puzzle  protecting  our  planet.  Join  me  next  time 

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.989
<v Cate Blanchett>as  we  look  forward  to  the  future  these  seeds  may 

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<v Cate Blanchett>protect  to  the  vision  driving  the  final  chapter  of  our 

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<v Cate Blanchett>story  and  the  innovative  science  behind  it. 
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