1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,780 Paul Brunson: Now, there's a backstory that I want to tell you 2 00:00:03,780 --> 00:00:06,810 Paul Brunson: that I often don't tell around how was it that 3 00:00:06,810 --> 00:00:10,740 Paul Brunson: Oprah found me? I got a call and the call was, " 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,739 Paul Brunson: Hey, Paul, we've got this show." I said, " I've never seen 5 00:00:13,740 --> 00:00:17,160 Paul Brunson: it," They said, " Well, we're looking for a host. Can 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,950 Paul Brunson: you come?" We looked at each other and my wife and 7 00:00:19,950 --> 00:00:22,738 Paul Brunson: I said, " Let's just go to London." She liquidated her 8 00:00:22,739 --> 00:00:24,871 Paul Brunson: retirement fund. She used that to invest in the business. 9 00:00:24,871 --> 00:00:24,872 Alex Legouix: She really likes you. 10 00:00:24,871 --> 00:00:30,210 Paul Brunson: I was like, " She actually does like me. Look at this." 11 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:34,319 Alex Legouix: This is Show on the Road, brought to you by 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,830 Alex Legouix: Auto Trader. We are driving famous faces on a personalized 13 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:41,190 Alex Legouix: road trip, visiting the places that help shape them and 14 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:43,830 Alex Legouix: hearing how the locations turn them into who they are 15 00:00:43,830 --> 00:00:48,090 Alex Legouix: today. We've matched each celebrity with a car chosen specifically 16 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:52,559 Alex Legouix: for them. Join me, Alex Legouix, as we get this 17 00:00:52,619 --> 00:00:55,950 Alex Legouix: Show on the Road. My guest today for he and 18 00:00:55,950 --> 00:00:58,620 Alex Legouix: his family, we're flying to the UK to move here 19 00:00:58,620 --> 00:01:01,800 Alex Legouix: just for three months, and they're still here now. It 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,060 Alex Legouix: turns out it was the right move. Paul Brunson has 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,190 Alex Legouix: very much cemented himself as world's most influential matchmaker. He's 22 00:01:11,190 --> 00:01:14,819 Alex Legouix: been co- hosting Celebs Go Dating and Married at First 23 00:01:14,819 --> 00:01:18,390 Alex Legouix: Sight and has most definitely made himself a very good 24 00:01:18,390 --> 00:01:22,469 Alex Legouix: name in the UK. Now, he is going to show 25 00:01:22,469 --> 00:01:25,920 Alex Legouix: me around London today. Taking me to some of the 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,450 Alex Legouix: haunts which have transformed a very strange city into what 27 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:34,650 Alex Legouix: is now his home. We've matched him with this 6. 28 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:39,989 Alex Legouix: 2 liter V8 Twisted Defender. It's been Paul's dream car 29 00:01:40,020 --> 00:01:43,560 Alex Legouix: since he was little, apparently. In fact, he even has 30 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:46,499 Alex Legouix: a Lego figure of it, so I'm very excited to 31 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:50,249 Alex Legouix: see what he makes of the real thing. Here we go. 32 00:01:53,610 --> 00:02:02,730 Paul Brunson: It definitely sounds good. Look at it. Can I say, 33 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:04,170 Paul Brunson: I've never been in one of these? 34 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:04,260 Alex Legouix: No. 35 00:02:05,009 --> 00:02:07,590 Paul Brunson: No, no. I've never been in one. Oh my God. Let me 36 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:09,000 Paul Brunson: take this in for a second, and you've got the 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:09,630 Paul Brunson: soft top? 38 00:02:09,780 --> 00:02:10,440 Alex Legouix: Isn't it hot? 39 00:02:10,590 --> 00:02:12,000 Paul Brunson: Oh my God, this is incredible. 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,691 Alex Legouix: How do you manage to work with doorale? 41 00:02:12,691 --> 00:02:18,330 Paul Brunson: Oh, you saw that? I had to look at that like, please, I hope I can 42 00:02:18,330 --> 00:02:21,690 Paul Brunson: open this door. All right, let me see. Wow, this 43 00:02:21,690 --> 00:02:23,820 Paul Brunson: is so... Have you driven one of these before? 44 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:23,880 Alex Legouix: No. 45 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:26,130 Paul Brunson: Yeah, I love this. 46 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:26,490 Alex Legouix: Yeah. 47 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:30,870 Paul Brunson: This is like industrial. Ah, man, this is so incredible. Can I 48 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:31,380 Paul Brunson: have this? 49 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:31,800 Alex Legouix: Yeah. 50 00:02:32,490 --> 00:02:33,419 Paul Brunson: Do I get this at the end? 51 00:02:33,419 --> 00:02:34,081 Alex Legouix: Yeah, but we get to share it. 52 00:02:34,081 --> 00:02:37,559 Paul Brunson: Okay. We can share it. Do you want it on weekends 53 00:02:37,559 --> 00:02:38,340 Paul Brunson: or weekdays? 54 00:02:39,299 --> 00:02:40,228 Alex Legouix: Weekends please. 55 00:02:40,260 --> 00:02:41,129 Paul Brunson: Okay. All right, you got it. 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,350 Alex Legouix: What's your connection to the Defender? 57 00:02:43,889 --> 00:02:49,560 Paul Brunson: This is going to sound the dumbest story ever. I 58 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,610 Paul Brunson: have this Lego set. 59 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Alex Legouix: Right. 60 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:53,340 Paul Brunson: It's a Defender Lego set. 61 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:55,349 Alex Legouix: As an adult. 62 00:02:55,349 --> 00:02:55,469 Paul Brunson: As an adult. 63 00:02:58,079 --> 00:02:58,080 Alex Legouix: Okay. All right. 64 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,179 Paul Brunson: No, it's something that I do with my boys. We built this Defender Lego set. 65 00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:08,490 Paul Brunson: I was like, this is my car. I think growing 66 00:03:08,490 --> 00:03:12,210 Paul Brunson: up in New York, we would always see the Lamborghini's and 67 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:14,790 Paul Brunson: the Ferrari's go down the street and always think that 68 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:19,230 Paul Brunson: that's the type of car that we should have. When 69 00:03:19,230 --> 00:03:21,660 Paul Brunson: you've made it, that's what you should have. But it 70 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:24,480 Paul Brunson: wasn't until I built this Lego set where I said 71 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,100 Paul Brunson: to myself, " This is it." 72 00:03:27,630 --> 00:03:30,330 Alex Legouix: Is it like a prized possession sitting on the mantle piece? 73 00:03:30,419 --> 00:03:31,381 Paul Brunson: It is. It's prized. 74 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:31,800 Alex Legouix: Is it? 75 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,129 Paul Brunson: It's forest green, it sits on the mantle piece. No 76 00:03:35,129 --> 00:03:37,890 Paul Brunson: one can touch it. It took us three days to 77 00:03:37,890 --> 00:03:40,170 Paul Brunson: build this thing. That's what set it off. Then I 78 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:45,210 Paul Brunson: started really researching these vehicles and I love them. 79 00:03:45,540 --> 00:03:46,740 Alex Legouix: It is proper cool, isn't it? 80 00:03:46,740 --> 00:03:46,800 Paul Brunson: Yeah. 81 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:54,840 Alex Legouix: Okay. 82 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:55,589 Paul Brunson: We're off. 83 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,750 Alex Legouix: You weren't expecting to stay in the UK, were you? 84 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:06,029 Paul Brunson: No, not at all. Not at all. Now, I thought I 85 00:04:06,090 --> 00:04:08,309 Paul Brunson: would be here in the UK for three months, to 86 00:04:08,309 --> 00:04:13,560 Paul Brunson: be honest with you. Yeah, there was three months. This is in 2018, 87 00:04:14,070 --> 00:04:18,089 Paul Brunson: I got a call and the call was, " Hey Paul, 88 00:04:18,089 --> 00:04:21,960 Paul Brunson: we've got this show here called Celebs Go Dating." I said, " 89 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,770 Paul Brunson: I've never seen it." They said, " Well, we're looking for 90 00:04:25,770 --> 00:04:28,619 Paul Brunson: a host, can you come?" I thought, " Ah, I don't 91 00:04:28,619 --> 00:04:30,479 Paul Brunson: know if I can come." My wife and I had 92 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:33,000 Paul Brunson: plotted three months that we were going to go to 93 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,820 Paul Brunson: Jamaica, so we were going to leave the states, go to 94 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,889 Paul Brunson: Jamaica. It happened that the three months perfectly overlapped. We 95 00:04:40,889 --> 00:04:42,660 Paul Brunson: looked at each other, my wife and I said, " Let's 96 00:04:42,660 --> 00:04:46,409 Paul Brunson: just go to London." We ended up coming here. We 97 00:04:46,410 --> 00:04:49,589 Paul Brunson: spent time filming, but then also we traveled all throughout 98 00:04:49,589 --> 00:04:53,609 Paul Brunson: the UK, loved it. Went back and thought that would 99 00:04:53,610 --> 00:04:56,910 Paul Brunson: be it. Two weeks later we get a call. It's like, " 100 00:04:56,910 --> 00:05:02,219 Paul Brunson: Paul, the show's green lit again for another series." Just 101 00:05:02,219 --> 00:05:04,650 Paul Brunson: like that. Before it had even aired, it was green 102 00:05:04,650 --> 00:05:08,490 Paul Brunson: lit again for another series. The shoot date was within 103 00:05:08,490 --> 00:05:10,409 Paul Brunson: about two months, so we decided, okay, we'll come back 104 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:13,979 Paul Brunson: again. We came back again. Said, we'll stay for another 105 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,290 Paul Brunson: three months, it'll be great. We'll do all the things 106 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:19,289 Paul Brunson: that we didn't do. We will eat fish and chips 107 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:21,690 Paul Brunson: because we didn't eat fish and chips. We will have 108 00:05:21,690 --> 00:05:26,400 Paul Brunson: more gin because that's what everybody drinks. We stayed for 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,270 Paul Brunson: another three months, left, went back to the states for 110 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:35,849 Paul Brunson: about two months this time. Got another call, " Paul, it's 111 00:05:35,849 --> 00:05:37,948 Paul Brunson: green lit again." Then we came back for a third 112 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:40,140 Paul Brunson: time. Then when we came back for a third time, 113 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,110 Paul Brunson: I then got picked up from Married at First Sight 114 00:05:43,650 --> 00:05:47,490 Paul Brunson: after that. Then it's been this, Celebs Go Dating, Married 115 00:05:47,490 --> 00:05:49,440 Paul Brunson: at First Sight, Celebs Go Dating, Married at First Sight. 116 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:54,359 Paul Brunson: We just decided we would stay. That was five years ago. 117 00:05:58,260 --> 00:05:58,979 Alex Legouix: In that time you've come over and there's been a global pandemic in the middle of it all. 118 00:05:59,219 --> 00:06:05,669 Paul Brunson: Oh my God. Yeah. What is interesting, the pandemic was 119 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:12,000 Paul Brunson: terrible, but the blessing in the pandemic is our family. 120 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,550 Paul Brunson: We got an opportunity to stay. We were staying in 121 00:06:15,690 --> 00:06:19,650 Paul Brunson: basically like this hotel, so we had to stay almost 122 00:06:19,650 --> 00:06:22,589 Paul Brunson: in the same room, which would drive people crazy. But 123 00:06:22,589 --> 00:06:26,160 Paul Brunson: for us, it was a moment that I'll never forget 124 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,669 Paul Brunson: because our family actually gelled. We became closer as a 125 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:35,609 Paul Brunson: result of this. The pandemic. Side note, one of my 126 00:06:35,609 --> 00:06:36,659 Paul Brunson: favorite coffee shops. 127 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:40,681 Alex Legouix: Oh, this one? The Columbian Coffee Company. 128 00:06:40,681 --> 00:06:40,682 Paul Brunson: Yeah, this one right here. The Columbia Coffee Company. 129 00:06:40,682 --> 00:06:40,922 Alex Legouix: That looks cool. 130 00:06:41,550 --> 00:06:43,350 Paul Brunson: Yeah, they do fair trade coffee. I didn't even know we were 131 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:44,250 Paul Brunson: coming down here. 132 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:45,690 Alex Legouix: This is a colorful part of town. 133 00:06:45,690 --> 00:06:54,299 Paul Brunson: This is what I love about London over New York, where I'm from. Is in London, I feel 134 00:06:54,300 --> 00:07:01,920 Paul Brunson: like everyone lives together. You'll have a council estate on 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,190 Paul Brunson: one corner, and then right across the street is a 136 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:08,039 Paul Brunson: 5 million pound home and they're both shopping at the 137 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,290 Paul Brunson: same grocers on the corner. In the US we're very 138 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:17,670 Paul Brunson: segregated. In New York, it's like all the Italians live 139 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:21,120 Paul Brunson: here, all the Jamaicans live in this area, and we're 140 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:27,000 Paul Brunson: separated. We're also separated socioeconomically too. But here everyone is 141 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,469 Paul Brunson: like... There are other cities like London, but there is 142 00:07:31,470 --> 00:07:35,610 Paul Brunson: no London in the world. That's something that, yeah, we have 143 00:07:35,610 --> 00:07:37,650 Paul Brunson: to be thankful that we could be here. 144 00:07:37,980 --> 00:07:39,840 Alex Legouix: What was little Paul like? Endearing. 145 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,620 Paul Brunson: I grew up in New York and grew up in 146 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:48,299 Paul Brunson: Jamaica, Queens. It was very communal. It was basically all 147 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:50,850 Paul Brunson: Jamaicans to the point where when I grew up, I 148 00:07:50,850 --> 00:07:56,520 Paul Brunson: thought America was Jamaica. Sports were very important. That's when 149 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Paul Brunson: I got to American football. I've played American football ever 150 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,400 Paul Brunson: since I was little. Rugby, I think, is much more 151 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,869 Paul Brunson: brutal than American football. 152 00:08:06,869 --> 00:08:06,989 Alex Legouix: Do you think? 153 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:09,480 Paul Brunson: Oh my god. You guys are doing it with no pads. 154 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:11,101 Alex Legouix: Yeah, that's true. 155 00:08:11,101 --> 00:08:16,169 Paul Brunson: I played American football, played soccer, and I was blessed. 156 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:21,240 Paul Brunson: My parents were together. They stayed together. They were great 157 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:27,660 Paul Brunson: parents. I had my grandparents. I had aunts and uncles. 158 00:08:27,810 --> 00:08:31,770 Paul Brunson: I had friends and family. Very loving environment. I felt 159 00:08:31,770 --> 00:08:34,230 Paul Brunson: like I could do anything. 160 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,920 Alex Legouix: When did matchmaking come into your world? 161 00:08:38,670 --> 00:08:43,770 Paul Brunson: Oh, man. Yeah, matchmaking was big Paul. My first career 162 00:08:43,770 --> 00:08:49,078 Paul Brunson: was in finance. I was an investment banker of all 163 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:57,119 Paul Brunson: things. I was managing the investments for a very wealthy 164 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,608 Paul Brunson: Turkish family. I was doing that in, this is like 165 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:09,599 Paul Brunson: 2007. I always just say that I'm Jamaican, so I have 166 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:14,069 Paul Brunson: 10 jobs always. I'm doing that. But one of my 167 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:19,380 Paul Brunson: jobs is I had a nonprofit organization that provided tutoring 168 00:09:19,380 --> 00:09:25,080 Paul Brunson: services for low income household kids. Basically kids that were 169 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,550 Paul Brunson: impoverished. We provided these services for free to these kids. 170 00:09:30,090 --> 00:09:32,969 Paul Brunson: One of these summer camps, I had 100 kids in 171 00:09:32,969 --> 00:09:36,029 Paul Brunson: the summer camp. One question I would ask is, when 172 00:09:36,029 --> 00:09:37,740 Paul Brunson: they were registering, is how many parents live in your 173 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:43,050 Paul Brunson: household? Not one of 100 of these kids had two 174 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:46,169 Paul Brunson: parents living in their household. All of them just lived 175 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:49,950 Paul Brunson: with basically their mother or their grandmother or their aunt. 176 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,958 Paul Brunson: Very few had male figures in their household. It got 177 00:09:54,958 --> 00:09:56,820 Paul Brunson: to the point where I was saying, okay, here we 178 00:09:56,820 --> 00:10:02,309 Paul Brunson: are, we're tutoring them on math or science. But what 179 00:10:02,309 --> 00:10:05,789 Paul Brunson: fundamentally is happening in the household, there's something missing in 180 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:09,630 Paul Brunson: the household. The counselors would joke me and they would say, " 181 00:10:09,630 --> 00:10:12,569 Paul Brunson: Paul, why don't you just become Hitch and just hook 182 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:14,939 Paul Brunson: up all the moms? Why don't you do that?" Because 183 00:10:14,940 --> 00:10:19,470 Paul Brunson: the movie Hitch had just come out. Come on. It was a great movie. I said, " 184 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:23,040 Paul Brunson: That's the worst idea. It's crazy." A year later, I'm 185 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:30,360 Paul Brunson: Hitch. Pretty much. I ended up quitting my job and 186 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,699 Paul Brunson: I doubled down and I went back to school for 187 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:36,120 Paul Brunson: social psychology and I did an apprenticeship. 188 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:38,880 Alex Legouix: You just gave up your finance career. 189 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:42,360 Paul Brunson: Yeah. But I gave it up because I found something 190 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:48,720 Paul Brunson: I was more passionate about. I'm definitely a dreamer. I 191 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:55,650 Paul Brunson: just moved here to London. I like moving off of 192 00:10:55,650 --> 00:11:01,049 Paul Brunson: feeling. Myers- Briggs, I'm a feeler. I like just moving 193 00:11:01,049 --> 00:11:06,840 Paul Brunson: off of how I feel and I felt alive. There's 194 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,809 Paul Brunson: this one quote of, don't do what you think you're 195 00:11:09,809 --> 00:11:15,570 Paul Brunson: supposed to do in terms of careers, do what makes 196 00:11:15,570 --> 00:11:20,849 Paul Brunson: you come alive. It just made me come alive. I 197 00:11:20,849 --> 00:11:24,449 Paul Brunson: spent a year studying and then properly started matchmaking a 198 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:35,069 Paul Brunson: year later, unconventionally. Oprah definitely changed my life. She definitely 199 00:11:35,069 --> 00:11:35,369 Paul Brunson: changed my life. 200 00:11:35,369 --> 00:11:39,179 Alex Legouix: That sentence in itself is a pretty cool one to have in 201 00:11:39,179 --> 00:11:39,779 Alex Legouix: your story. 202 00:11:40,349 --> 00:11:40,679 Paul Brunson: To be able to say Oprah changed my life? 203 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:40,770 Alex Legouix: Yeah. 204 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,910 Paul Brunson: Yeah. I've a lot of cool Oprah stories. But I 205 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:52,290 Paul Brunson: think the most significant one is, when I started my 206 00:11:52,290 --> 00:11:55,830 Paul Brunson: matchmaking, this matchmaking business, which by the way, it wasn't 207 00:11:55,830 --> 00:12:01,590 Paul Brunson: mine. My wife liquidated her retirement fund. She was working 208 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:04,920 Paul Brunson: for a law firm. She liquidated her retirement fund. She 209 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,450 Paul Brunson: used that to invest in the business. 210 00:12:09,929 --> 00:12:09,929 Alex Legouix: She really likes you. 211 00:12:09,929 --> 00:12:15,779 Paul Brunson: I was like, she actually does me, look at this. She liquidates that. She gives 212 00:12:15,780 --> 00:12:19,230 Paul Brunson: the money over. I invest the money into this business 213 00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:23,250 Paul Brunson: and basically a year goes by and I've really nothing 214 00:12:23,250 --> 00:12:26,670 Paul Brunson: to show for it. I said, okay, what I'm going 215 00:12:26,670 --> 00:12:29,218 Paul Brunson: to do is I'm going to start creating YouTube videos. 216 00:12:29,610 --> 00:12:33,059 Paul Brunson: Now I know you're probably thinking what? You have a 217 00:12:33,059 --> 00:12:34,740 Paul Brunson: little bit of money left, you're going to do YouTube 218 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:37,440 Paul Brunson: videos? I said, " No, I'm going to do YouTube videos because if I 219 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,440 Paul Brunson: can express myself and tell the world what it is 220 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,429 Paul Brunson: I'm doing, I can then convert those people into clients 221 00:12:44,429 --> 00:12:48,059 Paul Brunson: for a matchmaking business." I started this YouTube series called 222 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:52,259 Paul Brunson: The Modern Day Matchmaker. You could go to YouTube right 223 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:55,650 Paul Brunson: now and you will see there's nobody who's watched this thing. 224 00:12:56,220 --> 00:12:56,670 Alex Legouix: Still? 225 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:00,598 Paul Brunson: Still, nobody. I should just sit and watch it now. 226 00:13:00,990 --> 00:13:04,078 Paul Brunson: But nobody's watched this thing. Every week we would put 227 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,620 Paul Brunson: out this video and it would get 11 views. I 228 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:11,338 Paul Brunson: knew my mom was watching nine times. It was like 229 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:14,610 Paul Brunson: nobody really was watching this. It was one or two people 230 00:13:14,610 --> 00:13:18,960 Paul Brunson: watching. It turned out Oprah was one of the people 231 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:26,580 Paul Brunson: watching. She then eventually gives me a job to co- 232 00:13:26,580 --> 00:13:31,258 Paul Brunson: host a television show with her. I had zero TV 233 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:34,559 Paul Brunson: experience. I never ever thought I would be on television. 234 00:13:34,860 --> 00:13:38,250 Paul Brunson: She just picks me up and I co- host a 235 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:41,399 Paul Brunson: show with her. Now, there's a backstory that I want 236 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,089 Paul Brunson: to tell you that I often don't tell around how 237 00:13:45,089 --> 00:13:49,319 Paul Brunson: was it that Oprah found me. Remember I said I 238 00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:52,890 Paul Brunson: spent a year working on the business, didn't have anything 239 00:13:52,890 --> 00:13:54,960 Paul Brunson: to show for it. That year, you know what I 240 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,649 Paul Brunson: was doing? I was doing free services. I was taking 241 00:13:58,650 --> 00:14:03,299 Paul Brunson: on clients for free, working my ass off. Working very 242 00:14:03,299 --> 00:14:06,690 Paul Brunson: hard for them. Sometimes I would get results, sometimes I 243 00:14:06,690 --> 00:14:09,569 Paul Brunson: wouldn't. But I was always transparent with them and I 244 00:14:09,570 --> 00:14:12,090 Paul Brunson: would say, " I'm going to work hard for you. I 245 00:14:12,090 --> 00:14:14,040 Paul Brunson: may not get what you want, but I will work 246 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,519 Paul Brunson: hard for you." I did that with maybe say 30 247 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,750 Paul Brunson: to 40 clients over the year. It turns out, and 248 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:24,029 Paul Brunson: I didn't find this out until much later. It turns 249 00:14:24,029 --> 00:14:26,820 Paul Brunson: out that one of the people I had offered those 250 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:32,849 Paul Brunson: free services to was a writer for O Magazine. She 251 00:14:32,849 --> 00:14:37,920 Paul Brunson: then later was on Oprah's jet, on her private plane. 252 00:14:38,429 --> 00:14:42,720 Paul Brunson: Oprah was talking openly about, she had an idea for 253 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:44,940 Paul Brunson: a new television show that she wanted to do around 254 00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:48,300 Paul Brunson: love. She asks everyone on the plane, she says, " Does 255 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:52,410 Paul Brunson: anyone have any fresh voices, any new voices in relationships 256 00:14:52,410 --> 00:14:55,949 Paul Brunson: or in love?" This woman says, " Yeah, have you heard 257 00:14:55,950 --> 00:14:58,709 Paul Brunson: of Paul Brunson?" Oprah's like, " No, I haven't heard of 258 00:14:58,709 --> 00:15:02,250 Paul Brunson: Paul Brunson." They said, " Let's go find him." They go 259 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:06,720 Paul Brunson: online to YouTube, they pull up the video, she starts 260 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:10,469 Paul Brunson: watching the Modern Day Matchmaker. The reason why I think 261 00:15:10,469 --> 00:15:13,889 Paul Brunson: that's such an important story is because one, it goes 262 00:15:13,889 --> 00:15:19,260 Paul Brunson: to show that when you are providing a service or 263 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:21,690 Paul Brunson: you're providing a product, you have to provide it at 264 00:15:21,690 --> 00:15:26,100 Paul Brunson: the highest level and not seek the immediate reward or 265 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:30,120 Paul Brunson: the immediate return. I had 11 views. Oprah was one 266 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,020 Paul Brunson: of them. I didn't need to have a million views 267 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:37,260 Paul Brunson: on this video to get a project that would then 268 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:37,980 Paul Brunson: change my life. 269 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:40,770 Alex Legouix: Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it? What year was that? 270 00:15:41,550 --> 00:15:47,070 Paul Brunson: 2008 is when we launched the matchmaking business. 2008 to 2009, I 271 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,069 Paul Brunson: had started it. My show was on air by 2010 272 00:15:53,369 --> 00:15:57,000 Paul Brunson: with Oprah. It's one of those where I think that 273 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:00,000 Paul Brunson: you always have to check back as to why are 274 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Paul Brunson: you doing the thing? Because if you're doing the thing 275 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,570 Paul Brunson: for likes and for views, then okay, then you should 276 00:16:06,570 --> 00:16:08,790 Paul Brunson: take it down because that's what you're doing it for. 277 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:11,849 Paul Brunson: But if you're doing it to inform. If you're doing 278 00:16:11,850 --> 00:16:16,920 Paul Brunson: it to help transform people's thoughts, then continue to do 279 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,399 Paul Brunson: that, no matter if you're helping one or 1000 or 280 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:20,821 Paul Brunson: one million people. 281 00:16:20,821 --> 00:16:25,829 Alex Legouix: Yeah, I agree. Tell me more about Oprah. She watched 282 00:16:25,830 --> 00:16:27,239 Alex Legouix: your YouTube video and then what? 283 00:16:29,340 --> 00:16:33,300 Paul Brunson: She watched several of the YouTube videos, and then she had- 284 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:38,100 Alex Legouix: You were like, whoa, 12. We've reached a peak. Oh 285 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:39,600 Alex Legouix: my God, darling, come in here. Look. 286 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:42,749 Paul Brunson: No, actually I would call up my friends. Did you 287 00:16:42,750 --> 00:16:45,959 Paul Brunson: watch? No. Did you watch? No. Oh my gosh, that 288 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,119 Paul Brunson: means someone who doesn't know us watched the video. 289 00:16:48,119 --> 00:16:48,179 Alex Legouix: We got viral. 290 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:55,320 Paul Brunson: Oh, man. But what happened was kind of wild because 291 00:16:56,099 --> 00:17:00,870 Paul Brunson: Facebook had just really become a thing. I got an 292 00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:03,809 Paul Brunson: inbox message on Facebook, I'll never forget it, from a 293 00:17:03,809 --> 00:17:08,760 Paul Brunson: woman named Jennifer Duck. The message was, hey Paul, my 294 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,030 Paul Brunson: name is Jennifer Duck. I work for the Oprah Winfrey 295 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:14,670 Paul Brunson: Network. I was like, delete. 296 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:17,219 Alex Legouix: Yes, spam. What are you trying to sell me? 297 00:17:20,009 --> 00:17:21,690 Paul Brunson: I deleted it. She said to me- 298 00:17:21,690 --> 00:17:22,290 Alex Legouix: Did you actually? 299 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,590 Paul Brunson: No, for real. I deleted it. Because that was also 300 00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:30,418 Paul Brunson: when people were attaching weird stuff and spamming. I deleted 301 00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:33,119 Paul Brunson: it. I got another message maybe a day or two later. 302 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:34,889 Alex Legouix: Oh my God, persistent. 303 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:37,199 Paul Brunson: I read the whole thing. Because I thought, okay, let 304 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,188 Paul Brunson: me read this. I thought, I don't know, it seems like a 305 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:43,500 Paul Brunson: joke. Maybe it's one of my friends playing a joke on 306 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:45,869 Paul Brunson: me. I'm not going to let them get the best 307 00:17:45,869 --> 00:17:48,840 Paul Brunson: of me. She sends me another message maybe a week 308 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,290 Paul Brunson: later, and it's like, Paul, this is Jennifer Duck. I 309 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,290 Paul Brunson: work for Oprah Winfrey. We would like to bring you 310 00:17:55,290 --> 00:17:58,559 Paul Brunson: out to LA. We want to talk to you about 311 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:02,220 Paul Brunson: a project. I was like, all right. If you could 312 00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:04,740 Paul Brunson: really do this, if this is really you, buy me 313 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:09,599 Paul Brunson: the ticket. But I messaged back, we exchanged a few 314 00:18:09,599 --> 00:18:14,039 Paul Brunson: more emails, and they flew me out to LA. When 315 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,540 Paul Brunson: they flew me out to LA, I went to the 316 00:18:15,540 --> 00:18:20,340 Paul Brunson: Oprah Winfrey office. Oprah Winfrey network office. I'll never forget 317 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:23,700 Paul Brunson: because they told me ahead of time Oprah would not 318 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:26,099 Paul Brunson: be in the meeting. But I knew we were in 319 00:18:26,099 --> 00:18:30,178 Paul Brunson: her office. I still got there early and tried to 320 00:18:30,179 --> 00:18:33,900 Paul Brunson: walk around the office. I went to this meeting and 321 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:37,260 Paul Brunson: it was with Sherry Salada, who was the co- CEO 322 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:41,550 Paul Brunson: of the network. On the spot, they offered me a television show. 323 00:18:42,148 --> 00:18:42,570 Alex Legouix: Oh my God. 324 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:47,340 Paul Brunson: With Oprah, on the spot. I went back home to 325 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:50,399 Paul Brunson: DC and I was was telling my friends and family, " 326 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,810 Paul Brunson: Sit down. You're not going to believe this. Oprah Winfrey 327 00:18:54,810 --> 00:18:57,240 Paul Brunson: just offered me a show to co- host with her." 328 00:18:57,510 --> 00:19:01,590 Paul Brunson: Everyone's like, " Yeah, you're lying." It was like, " You're not 329 00:19:01,590 --> 00:19:04,980 Paul Brunson: telling the truth." I was like, " No, I'm serious. This 330 00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:11,579 Paul Brunson: is really a thing." Long story short, we started filming 331 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:11,941 Paul Brunson: at the end of the year. 332 00:19:11,941 --> 00:19:14,460 Alex Legouix: Yeah, you must've learned so much from her. 333 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:19,890 Paul Brunson: Oh, man. Everything. Yeah. She was incredible. Also, my wife 334 00:19:20,190 --> 00:19:22,740 Paul Brunson: loved her, but she has the best Oprah story, I 335 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:23,850 Paul Brunson: think, on the planet. 336 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:25,320 Alex Legouix: Better than yours? 337 00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:29,849 Paul Brunson: At the end of filming this show, we had this 338 00:19:29,850 --> 00:19:34,109 Paul Brunson: big ball and my wife came in from Washington DC 339 00:19:34,109 --> 00:19:35,609 Paul Brunson: and she was going to be meeting Oprah for the 340 00:19:35,609 --> 00:19:39,960 Paul Brunson: first time. She was all super excited. My wife had 341 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,679 Paul Brunson: this beautiful black sequence dress on for the ball. I said, " 342 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:45,960 Paul Brunson: All right, Jill, come on. We'll go into Oprah's dressing 343 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,869 Paul Brunson: room early. You'll meet her." Oprah has the same black- 344 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,340 Alex Legouix: No, she doesn't. 345 00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:52,560 Paul Brunson: The same black dress on. 346 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:53,040 Alex Legouix: No. 347 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,620 Paul Brunson: Black sequins, the same dress. They're admiring each other's dress. 348 00:20:00,059 --> 00:20:01,978 Paul Brunson: Oprah says, " All right, well we better get ready to 349 00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:04,619 Paul Brunson: go." Oprah, like an auntie, " Come on, give me a 350 00:20:04,619 --> 00:20:10,710 Paul Brunson: hug." Oprah and Jill hug and they try to move, 351 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:17,698 Paul Brunson: they are stuck. Their sequins has intertwined. Oprah's assistants are 352 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:21,780 Paul Brunson: trying to unhinge her. Bodyguards coming out, trying to unhinge. 353 00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:27,480 Paul Brunson: They can't unhinge the dresses. My wife, who's super nervous 354 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,549 Paul Brunson: to meet Oprah, is now stuck to Oprah, and her 355 00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:39,208 Paul Brunson: arm is literally on Oprah's back. She was like, " I 356 00:20:39,210 --> 00:20:40,439 Paul Brunson: was trying to think of something to say. I didn't 357 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,228 Paul Brunson: know what to say." She rubs Oprah's back and says, " 358 00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:53,910 Paul Brunson: Oprah, you have the softest back of anyone I've ever met in my life." I was like, "a Soft back?" She's like, " but she 359 00:20:53,910 --> 00:20:55,320 Paul Brunson: does. Her back is so soft." 360 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,460 Alex Legouix: Oh my God. How did they de sequin? 361 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,190 Paul Brunson: They had people. Oprah has people come in one by 362 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:11,518 Paul Brunson: one, unhook. It probably took 10 minutes to do the 363 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:11,879 Paul Brunson: whole thing. 364 00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:15,119 Alex Legouix: Oh, my God. That's wild. What a great story. 365 00:21:15,509 --> 00:21:16,050 Paul Brunson: Oh, man. 366 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,030 Alex Legouix: Geez. 367 00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:21,210 Paul Brunson: I know this journey we're on right now. 368 00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:23,040 Alex Legouix: Right. Because- 369 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:23,131 Paul Brunson: I know this journey. 370 00:21:23,131 --> 00:21:23,221 Alex Legouix: Anywhere. 371 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,160 Paul Brunson: I would take this journey home every day, because this 372 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,929 Paul Brunson: is where I used to live. You're talking about COVID. 373 00:21:30,929 --> 00:21:31,830 Paul Brunson: This is where I lived. 374 00:21:31,980 --> 00:21:32,550 Alex Legouix: It's called- 375 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,600 Paul Brunson: Three Quays. 376 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,619 Alex Legouix: Cheval Three Quays. 377 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,450 Paul Brunson: Yes. This particular place is super, super special to me 378 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:43,500 Paul Brunson: and actually super special to my family. Because not only 379 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:47,968 Paul Brunson: was it our first introduction to London and to the 380 00:21:47,969 --> 00:21:53,129 Paul Brunson: UK, but because we stayed here during COVID, we literally 381 00:21:53,129 --> 00:21:55,109 Paul Brunson: spent about a year- 382 00:21:56,879 --> 00:22:00,061 Alex Legouix: In one room. 383 00:22:00,061 --> 00:22:04,140 Paul Brunson: In one room. Yeah, it was serious. It was hardcore. 384 00:22:06,210 --> 00:22:09,930 Alex Legouix: It's really good that it brought you guys closer. Probably 385 00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:13,410 Alex Legouix: you formed valuable memories that you may not have ever 386 00:22:13,410 --> 00:22:16,859 Alex Legouix: had the chance to do if you weren't pushed together 387 00:22:16,859 --> 00:22:17,790 Alex Legouix: in the same way. 388 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,609 Paul Brunson: Oh, my gosh. We had a whole regimen of, okay, 389 00:22:20,609 --> 00:22:22,109 Paul Brunson: we're going to wake up, we're going to do Joe 390 00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:24,629 Paul Brunson: Wicks, we're going to get that done. Then what we're 391 00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:25,710 Paul Brunson: going to do is we're going to read for a 392 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:27,599 Paul Brunson: little bit. Then what we're going to do is we're 393 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,958 Paul Brunson: going to watch a movie together. Then remember, during the 394 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,119 Paul Brunson: early days of COVID, you could all take a break 395 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,670 Paul Brunson: at a certain time? You could go outside. We'll all go 396 00:22:35,670 --> 00:22:36,690 Paul Brunson: outside at a certain time. 397 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:39,599 Alex Legouix: What does this represent to you now? 398 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:43,559 Paul Brunson: When the book is written on my life, this is 399 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:46,379 Paul Brunson: a full chapter of my life right here. It's not 400 00:22:46,379 --> 00:22:49,680 Paul Brunson: a page, it's not a paragraph. This is a full 401 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,460 Paul Brunson: chapter right here. 402 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:57,928 Alex Legouix: Have there been parts of British culture, I guess, that 403 00:22:57,929 --> 00:23:00,510 Alex Legouix: you've really loved and adopted? 404 00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:04,948 Paul Brunson: Yeah, I love South London. I love the diversity. The 405 00:23:04,949 --> 00:23:07,859 Paul Brunson: culture of South London. Where we live is the most 406 00:23:07,859 --> 00:23:11,520 Paul Brunson: diverse area with the population over one million people in 407 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,200 Paul Brunson: the world. There's 200 languages spoken in the area that 408 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,309 Paul Brunson: we are in South London. You get every bit of 409 00:23:20,309 --> 00:23:28,110 Paul Brunson: culture with those languages. Everything. Wow, good play. Good play. 410 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,660 Alex Legouix: Oh, wow. 411 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,928 Paul Brunson: Yeah, you get the music, you get the art, you 412 00:23:33,929 --> 00:23:36,540 Paul Brunson: get the fashion, you get the food for sure. The 413 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:41,970 Paul Brunson: food is incredible. I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with it. 414 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,270 Paul Brunson: I love it. For me, growing up in New York 415 00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:55,379 Paul Brunson: where the corner shops, there are so many people, they 416 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:59,638 Paul Brunson: never even remembered your name. Whereas in this little village 417 00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:04,980 Paul Brunson: area that we're in, everyone knows our name. I have left 418 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:07,109 Paul Brunson: my phone to be able to pay, and they're like, " 419 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,759 Paul Brunson: Oh, whatever. Pay me whenever." Come back whenever. Those kinds 420 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,600 Paul Brunson: of traditional old school, that does not exist where I'm from. 421 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:15,899 Alex Legouix: Yeah. Wow. 422 00:24:17,459 --> 00:24:18,180 Paul Brunson: Yeah, this looks familiar. 423 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:18,660 Alex Legouix: Looks familiar. 424 00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:24,480 Paul Brunson: Because I would go from Cheval Three Quays to right 425 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:31,168 Paul Brunson: over here. This would be the Celebs Go Dating agency. 426 00:24:32,429 --> 00:24:34,830 Alex Legouix: Which has been basically your home, right? 427 00:24:35,129 --> 00:24:38,340 Paul Brunson: Yeah. You know what's wild is, we're getting ready to 428 00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:45,090 Paul Brunson: start filming. They're probably working on it right now. They 429 00:24:45,090 --> 00:24:45,991 Paul Brunson: should be working on it right now. 430 00:24:45,991 --> 00:24:45,992 Alex Legouix: Are they? 431 00:24:45,992 --> 00:24:45,993 Paul Brunson: Yeah. 432 00:24:45,993 --> 00:24:46,203 Alex Legouix: What would they be doing right now? 433 00:24:50,609 --> 00:24:53,908 Paul Brunson: Well, right now they're rigging up the cameras. Because what 434 00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:56,609 Paul Brunson: a lot of people also don't realize is, we don't 435 00:24:56,609 --> 00:24:58,290 Paul Brunson: have a camera crew inside. 436 00:24:59,130 --> 00:24:59,520 Alex Legouix: Oh. 437 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:00,930 Paul Brunson: Yeah, there's no camera crew inside. 438 00:25:00,930 --> 00:25:02,369 Alex Legouix: I see sort of big brother style. 439 00:25:02,369 --> 00:25:06,208 Paul Brunson: That's big brother style. We have, depends on the series, 440 00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:09,178 Paul Brunson: but we have say dozens and dozens and dozens of 441 00:25:09,179 --> 00:25:12,270 Paul Brunson: cameras rigged all through the agency. 442 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:13,020 Alex Legouix: Oh, wow. 443 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,260 Paul Brunson: The moment that the celeb walks into the agency, to 444 00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:18,540 Paul Brunson: the moment that they walk out, they're just being caught 445 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:23,369 Paul Brunson: on these cameras. It allows them to really forget that 446 00:25:23,369 --> 00:25:27,659 Paul Brunson: there is anyone watching and step into who they actually 447 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:30,178 Paul Brunson: are. Kind of like what you're doing here. 448 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:37,590 Alex Legouix: That's really interesting. I guess ultimately, while it's a celebrity 449 00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:42,059 Alex Legouix: reality show, you still want to... Actually, it's a congruent 450 00:25:42,059 --> 00:25:44,370 Alex Legouix: show, isn't it? You still want it to be real. 451 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,240 Paul Brunson: Yes. 452 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,209 Alex Legouix: It's not a showman, let's all be fake in front 453 00:25:48,209 --> 00:25:49,230 Alex Legouix: of the cameras, right? 454 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,708 Paul Brunson: We're trying to strike that balance. We're trying to strike 455 00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:55,708 Paul Brunson: the, okay, the agency, this is real. What's happening in 456 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:59,820 Paul Brunson: here is 100% real. What you see in terms of 457 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,690 Paul Brunson: the entertainment, like with Rob Beckett on the voiceover, that's 458 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:07,499 Paul Brunson: entertaining. You get some voyeurism with them on the dates. Sure 459 00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:10,468 Paul Brunson: the celebs have fun. But hopefully you get all of 460 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:11,640 Paul Brunson: that. That's the idea. 461 00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:15,750 Alex Legouix: That's really interesting. That is a balance that definitely is 462 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:18,508 Alex Legouix: apparent. When you very first started, was it what you 463 00:26:18,509 --> 00:26:20,879 Alex Legouix: expected? Did you enjoy it instantly? 464 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:26,460 Paul Brunson: One thing I do is, whatever project I'm on, I 465 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:32,190 Paul Brunson: don't watch that project. For Celebs Go Dating, I remember 466 00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:34,888 Paul Brunson: the producer said, " Hey Paul, we want you to watch 467 00:26:34,888 --> 00:26:36,899 Paul Brunson: a couple of episodes and see if this is something 468 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:39,540 Paul Brunson: that you'd like to do." I thought, I'll just do 469 00:26:39,540 --> 00:26:42,179 Paul Brunson: it. Three months in London, I'll just do it. When 470 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:46,408 Paul Brunson: I got here, I had no idea what to expect. 471 00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:51,059 Paul Brunson: I had no expectation. Therefore I wasn't disappointed because I 472 00:26:51,059 --> 00:26:54,690 Paul Brunson: had no expectation. It's the same with Married at First 473 00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:58,379 Paul Brunson: Sight. With Married at First Sight, UK, everyone says, " Paul, 474 00:26:58,379 --> 00:27:01,859 Paul Brunson: did you watch Australia or did you watch the US version?" " 475 00:27:01,859 --> 00:27:09,090 Paul Brunson: No, I don't." It's only the UK format. Celebs didn't 476 00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:12,510 Paul Brunson: disappoint because I really didn't have the expectation. 477 00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:18,299 Alex Legouix: Did you just do the same thing with the celebrities? Because I guess it's hard 478 00:27:18,299 --> 00:27:21,690 Alex Legouix: not to have preconceived ideas about certain celebrities that are 479 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:23,100 Alex Legouix: going to walk in through the door as well. 480 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:28,859 Paul Brunson: I didn't know anyone. Even to this day, I just 481 00:27:28,859 --> 00:27:31,648 Paul Brunson: found out who the cast is for this upcoming one. 482 00:27:32,309 --> 00:27:38,908 Paul Brunson: I know no one. I think that's good because the 483 00:27:38,910 --> 00:27:41,970 Paul Brunson: celeb walks in. I have no preconceived notion of who 484 00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:45,749 Paul Brunson: they are. They're human to me. 485 00:27:45,869 --> 00:27:51,150 Alex Legouix: Yeah, that's really good. Have any surprised you? I guess 486 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:54,269 Alex Legouix: that's would be a yes for loads, right? 487 00:27:54,330 --> 00:28:01,800 Paul Brunson: Oh, man, yeah. Surprised me positively. Surprised me negatively. I 488 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,559 Paul Brunson: think the show surprises them quite a bit. Because I 489 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,729 Paul Brunson: feel, let's keep it real. They come on, they all 490 00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:16,290 Paul Brunson: get checks. Some of them get big checks. Then they 491 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:22,020 Paul Brunson: land on a television show for probably two months, which is 492 00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:25,020 Paul Brunson: good for their career. You could think, okay, just from 493 00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:28,978 Paul Brunson: the business standpoint, it's a good move for some of 494 00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:32,609 Paul Brunson: them. But what I don't think that they truly expect 495 00:28:32,609 --> 00:28:42,599 Paul Brunson: is to be tested and to change. I think the 496 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:46,320 Paul Brunson: best testament to that is probably Pete Wicks. He's someone 497 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,810 Paul Brunson: who has, I think he's been on the show, I 498 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:52,650 Paul Brunson: think he's been on seven series by now. I think 499 00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:56,099 Paul Brunson: he's been on probably two. But I think when he 500 00:28:56,099 --> 00:28:59,400 Paul Brunson: first got to Celebs Go Dating, he probably thought, oh, 501 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,569 Paul Brunson: this is just whatever. Very quickly he realized, no, this 502 00:29:04,049 --> 00:29:06,750 Paul Brunson: could potentially change my life. To the point where I 503 00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:09,210 Paul Brunson: know the last time he was on, he had even 504 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:13,050 Paul Brunson: asked, he wanted to be on. Because he enjoyed the 505 00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:21,360 Paul Brunson: experience. Therapy. Any range of therapy, whether it be a 506 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,860 Paul Brunson: deeper psychotherapy. Whether it be a general counseling, it is 507 00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:33,779 Paul Brunson: beneficial. It is very helpful to express your emotions and 508 00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:36,239 Paul Brunson: have someone to express those with. A lot of celebrity, 509 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,540 Paul Brunson: a lot of people just period, they don't have anyone 510 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:44,400 Paul Brunson: to express their emotions. You think there's real power in 511 00:29:44,490 --> 00:29:47,910 Paul Brunson: expressing yourself. I think that's what the celebrities love about 512 00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:51,630 Paul Brunson: the agency. I think that what we have to understand 513 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:58,109 Paul Brunson: is, I think that's also what's cool about creatives is 514 00:29:58,109 --> 00:30:03,660 Paul Brunson: that you see that we all have pain. I think 515 00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:06,210 Paul Brunson: that's the beauty. Even when it comes to television, I 516 00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:10,109 Paul Brunson: think that's what makes TV characters or a cast work. 517 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,049 Paul Brunson: Is that when you can see yourself in that person. 518 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,549 Paul Brunson: No matter how famous that person is, that you could 519 00:30:17,549 --> 00:30:21,060 Paul Brunson: still see yourself. Beyonce, one of the biggest artists in 520 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:27,150 Paul Brunson: the world. She does these little things that just make 521 00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:30,270 Paul Brunson: people resonate. She's like, " Look in my purse, I've got 522 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:33,780 Paul Brunson: hot sauce in my purse." " Like, what? You're Beyonce and 523 00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:36,149 Paul Brunson: you bringing hot sauce in your purse to the restaurant?" " 524 00:30:36,299 --> 00:30:38,880 Paul Brunson: Yep, that's what I do." All of a sudden you could resonate. You 525 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,310 Paul Brunson: could say, now, I have never personally brought hot sauce 526 00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:45,330 Paul Brunson: in my purse. But you could still resonate with that. 527 00:30:45,450 --> 00:30:49,020 Paul Brunson: I think that's what makes us connect to these people, 528 00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:51,030 Paul Brunson: is being able to see us in them. 529 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:54,930 Alex Legouix: Do you think that's what has made celebs Go Dating work 530 00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:59,370 Alex Legouix: so well as well? The audience can. They get to 531 00:30:59,370 --> 00:31:02,309 Alex Legouix: see a different side. They get to see a vulnerable 532 00:31:02,309 --> 00:31:04,860 Alex Legouix: side. They get to see that they're actual human beings 533 00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:09,149 Alex Legouix: that even struggle with things like relationships. They don't have 534 00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:11,879 Alex Legouix: it all. They don't have love. They don't have those 535 00:31:11,879 --> 00:31:15,150 Alex Legouix: things that we just assume your life is amazing, whatever. 536 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:20,850 Paul Brunson: Right. Yeah. I think that's definitely, that's the biggest part 537 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:28,740 Paul Brunson: of the success. I think that in addition to, I 538 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:31,950 Paul Brunson: always keep saying, man, Rob Beckett is the most hilarious 539 00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:34,770 Paul Brunson: dude on the planet. I think a lot of it 540 00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:38,280 Paul Brunson: I give him his props for. I think he does 541 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,979 Paul Brunson: a lot of it. I think the celebs, seeing how 542 00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:43,860 Paul Brunson: quirky they really are. That's a lot of it. I 543 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:50,310 Paul Brunson: always say with Tom, Anna and myself, we walk a 544 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:56,700 Paul Brunson: line between reality and the real world. Because reality TV 545 00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:59,580 Paul Brunson: is not the real world. We're able to keep a 546 00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:03,419 Paul Brunson: foot in the real world and a foot in reality 547 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:07,770 Paul Brunson: and keep that line straddled. Yeah, they have so much 548 00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:08,910 Paul Brunson: skill to be able to do that. 549 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:13,800 Alex Legouix: What have you learned about yourself through it? 550 00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:14,910 Paul Brunson: Through that project? 551 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:15,360 Alex Legouix: Yeah. 552 00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:21,749 Paul Brunson: It's funny, even though I'm in reality, I don't know 553 00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:26,100 Paul Brunson: if I'm the biggest fan of reality TV. But what 554 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,370 Paul Brunson: I am a big fan of and what keeps me 555 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:34,170 Paul Brunson: showing up on these projects is, how we teach through 556 00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:39,570 Paul Brunson: the projects. Like through the cast. We're teaching vicariously through 557 00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:43,560 Paul Brunson: them. I'll never forget, after my first series of Celebs 558 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,860 Paul Brunson: Go Dating, I was walking somewhere in London and this 559 00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:50,219 Paul Brunson: guy walks up to me and was like, " Paul, I don't 560 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:53,520 Paul Brunson: have a father. I don't have any male role models 561 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,059 Paul Brunson: in my house. I appreciate what you say on Celebs 562 00:32:57,059 --> 00:33:03,000 Paul Brunson: Go Dating." I realized, wow, I'm the only the nearest 563 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,640 Paul Brunson: thing to a male authority figure in this guy's life 564 00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:16,410 Paul Brunson: around relationships. I have to take this role responsibly. I 565 00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:20,070 Paul Brunson: have to take this very seriously. That's how I view 566 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:24,780 Paul Brunson: it. I don't view it as I'm showing up to 567 00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:27,000 Paul Brunson: a reality show. I view it as, okay, I'm showing 568 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,770 Paul Brunson: up to counselor. I'm showing up to teach. 569 00:33:34,709 --> 00:33:36,390 Alex Legouix: How did Married at First Sight come about? 570 00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:40,260 Paul Brunson: That came about. I had done a few series of 571 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,710 Paul Brunson: Celebs Go Dating, and they had reached out to me 572 00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:48,659 Paul Brunson: because they liked the authenticity that I brought to the 573 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:51,389 Paul Brunson: project. They could see that I was very serious about 574 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,300 Paul Brunson: the counseling side. I was offered the job to Marry 575 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:01,500 Paul Brunson: at First Sight UK. Then believe it or not, COVID is what 576 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:03,150 Paul Brunson: made Married at First Sight UK, hot. 577 00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:04,350 Alex Legouix: Really? 578 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:08,819 Paul Brunson: Because Married at First Sight UK was, I think it 579 00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:11,100 Paul Brunson: was a very powerful show the way the old format. 580 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:15,750 Paul Brunson: It was true docuseries. The couples never met. You followed 581 00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:21,210 Paul Brunson: them. Then the show aired and it always had respectable 582 00:34:21,210 --> 00:34:28,590 Paul Brunson: numbers on Channel four. COVID hits the channel. All channels 583 00:34:28,590 --> 00:34:32,280 Paul Brunson: are looking for content. What the channel does is, the 584 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:38,939 Paul Brunson: channel then licenses Married at First Sight Australia. They license 585 00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:42,090 Paul Brunson: Australia. Everyone watches Married at First Sight Australia in the 586 00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:46,259 Paul Brunson: UK, it becomes a super hit. The production company here is like, " 587 00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:48,840 Paul Brunson: Hold on for a second. We're going to make our 588 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,040 Paul Brunson: show just like this one." What we end up doing is 589 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,900 Paul Brunson: we end up then including dinner parties and commitment ceremonies. Format 590 00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:02,670 Paul Brunson: changes that make it more like Australia. Then those tweaks 591 00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:04,440 Paul Brunson: make it a massive, massive hit. 592 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:07,590 Alex Legouix: Admiralty art. 593 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:13,379 Paul Brunson: Oh my God. It was right here, this exact spot, 594 00:35:14,429 --> 00:35:16,709 Paul Brunson: when my wife and I decided that we were going 595 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:20,219 Paul Brunson: to raise our boys in the UK and move here. 596 00:35:21,059 --> 00:35:24,059 Paul Brunson: Right here. This was our first time coming into the 597 00:35:24,059 --> 00:35:27,660 Paul Brunson: UK. We had just arrived Heathrow. We're coming in this 598 00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:29,580 Paul Brunson: way to go to Cheval where you just took me. 599 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:29,640 Alex Legouix: No. 600 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:34,469 Paul Brunson: Yes. On this side of the road, right here in 601 00:35:34,469 --> 00:35:38,190 Paul Brunson: this spot, there was a motorist. It was a Black 602 00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:42,870 Paul Brunson: motorist. He was pulled over. Police officer pulls him over. 603 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,350 Paul Brunson: We're over here in this lane. When he gets pulled 604 00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:51,630 Paul Brunson: over, immediately my boys grab my phone and they hold 605 00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:53,969 Paul Brunson: it out and they start filming what's happening on this 606 00:35:53,969 --> 00:35:57,599 Paul Brunson: side of the road. The driver is like, " Why are 607 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:02,100 Paul Brunson: you filming?" My boys say, and I tell him, I said, " 608 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:03,509 Paul Brunson: This is what we do. You don't do this here?" 609 00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:07,739 Paul Brunson: In the US, there had been so many Black motorists that 610 00:36:07,739 --> 00:36:13,740 Paul Brunson: had been killed by police that what we would do 611 00:36:13,799 --> 00:36:20,040 Paul Brunson: is we would film to protect the motorists. My boys 612 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,680 Paul Brunson: are filming. The white police officer walks over to the 613 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,700 Paul Brunson: motorist, they exchange some words. We're wondering what is going 614 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:32,219 Paul Brunson: to happen. Then the motorist smiles. He goes like this. 615 00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:35,369 Paul Brunson: Police officer high- fives him, and then they walk away. 616 00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:39,930 Paul Brunson: Now, that's not to say I know the UK's got issues. 617 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:46,020 Paul Brunson: Every country has issues. Me driving in Washington DC, if 618 00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:48,059 Paul Brunson: a police officer were to pull me over, I remember 619 00:36:48,059 --> 00:36:52,649 Paul Brunson: I was pulled over in, I'll never forget this. We 620 00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:56,370 Paul Brunson: had taken a road trip to Nashville, Tennessee in the 621 00:36:56,370 --> 00:37:00,900 Paul Brunson: states. We had our two boys, but they were babies. 622 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,159 Paul Brunson: They're in the backseat, my wife. A police officer pulls 623 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:11,249 Paul Brunson: us over. I'll never forget. I was shaking. My hands 624 00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:14,820 Paul Brunson: were sweating. I told Jill, I said, " Keep the phone 625 00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:17,640 Paul Brunson: on just in case anything happens. If he tells me 626 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,529 Paul Brunson: to get out the car, make sure that you turn." 627 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:26,099 Paul Brunson: You should not in this day and age, nowhere in 628 00:37:26,099 --> 00:37:31,259 Paul Brunson: the world should you live in fear of being pulled 629 00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:35,880 Paul Brunson: over. You could understand when we saw that here- 630 00:37:35,969 --> 00:37:37,831 Alex Legouix: Wow. The impact. 631 00:37:37,830 --> 00:37:39,809 Paul Brunson: Yeah. It looks like we're going to stay here. 632 00:37:46,109 --> 00:37:50,850 Alex Legouix: Our final venue is Jamaica Party Company. 633 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:54,480 Paul Brunson: Yes, man. Yes, man. 634 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:56,340 Alex Legouix: Tell me about your Jamaican heritage. 635 00:37:56,969 --> 00:38:02,400 Paul Brunson: My mother was born within the bush in Jamaica. My 636 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:09,989 Paul Brunson: grandparents, obviously aunts, uncles, all Jamaican. I've been going to 637 00:38:09,989 --> 00:38:13,200 Paul Brunson: Jamaica since I was a little boy. It is home for me. 638 00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:13,890 Alex Legouix: Really? 639 00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:20,129 Paul Brunson: Yes, it is home. I rep Jamaica strong. I love 640 00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:24,690 Paul Brunson: all Jamaican food. Jamaican Patty Co is one of my 641 00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:30,390 Paul Brunson: favorites because they make a high end patty. Matter of 642 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:37,050 Paul Brunson: fact, the owner, Teresa, she was just appointed an ambassador from Jamaica. 643 00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:37,139 Alex Legouix: Nice. 644 00:38:37,139 --> 00:38:38,700 Paul Brunson: Yeah, she's a cultural ambassador now. 645 00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:40,859 Alex Legouix: Oh, that's nice. 646 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,790 Paul Brunson: Yeah. She's amazing. Her husband, because I go to Jamaican 647 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:48,210 Paul Brunson: Patty Co all the time. Her husband taught me about 648 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:51,450 Paul Brunson: the history of the patty, which I didn't know comes 649 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:52,230 Paul Brunson: from Cornwall. 650 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,370 Alex Legouix: Does it? 651 00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:54,631 Paul Brunson: Yeah. A lot of people don't know this. 652 00:38:54,631 --> 00:38:54,989 Alex Legouix: No, I didn't know that. 653 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,919 Paul Brunson: Yet. The Jamaican patty comes from, what is it in Cornwall? 654 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,170 Paul Brunson: Is it called the pasty or paste? Is it pasty, right? 655 00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:02,430 Alex Legouix: Pasty. 656 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:03,901 Paul Brunson: Pastry. 657 00:39:03,901 --> 00:39:04,560 Alex Legouix: It's pasty or pastry. 658 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:05,670 Paul Brunson: Pasty. 659 00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:06,300 Alex Legouix: Pasty. 660 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:11,069 Paul Brunson: The Pasty. What would happen, here's the story. In Cornwall, 661 00:39:11,759 --> 00:39:12,509 Paul Brunson: they were minors. 662 00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:12,719 Alex Legouix: Yeah. 663 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:19,049 Paul Brunson: Aluminum or bauxite, it was the number one natural resource 664 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,969 Paul Brunson: in Jamaica. The UK would send these coal miners, or 665 00:39:23,969 --> 00:39:28,320 Paul Brunson: should I say these bauxite miners from Cornwall to Jamaica. 666 00:39:29,309 --> 00:39:31,769 Paul Brunson: While they're mining, they needed something to eat during the 667 00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:36,000 Paul Brunson: day so they'd have their pasty's. The Jamaicans got ahold 668 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,980 Paul Brunson: of it, like we get ahold of everything and remixed 669 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:42,930 Paul Brunson: it a little bit. That's what eventually became the patty. 670 00:39:42,930 --> 00:39:44,399 Alex Legouix: Oh, wow. 671 00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:47,520 Paul Brunson: Yes. You see the JPC? 672 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,810 Alex Legouix: Oh, yes. 673 00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:52,529 Paul Brunson: Yeah. No, the patty's there are phenomenal. 674 00:39:52,949 --> 00:39:53,310 Alex Legouix: You go to Jamaica a lot? 675 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:58,440 Paul Brunson: A lot. A lot. I was just there actually now it's a while 676 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,700 Paul Brunson: ago, but I was there in January. 677 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,070 Alex Legouix: Oh, wow. 678 00:40:02,099 --> 00:40:05,040 Paul Brunson: At least once a year I go to Jamaica. Jamaica 679 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:10,350 Paul Brunson: in my opinion, is on a per capita basis. It 680 00:40:10,350 --> 00:40:16,560 Paul Brunson: is the most influential country in the world. The reason 681 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,980 Paul Brunson: why I say that is because there's only roughly two 682 00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:23,400 Paul Brunson: million people who live in Jamaica. There's probably another two 683 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,579 Paul Brunson: million people who live outside of Jamaica. You have four 684 00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:32,219 Paul Brunson: million Jamaicans. That's not even London. But yet, anywhere you 685 00:40:32,219 --> 00:40:36,660 Paul Brunson: go in the world, when you start talking about Usain 686 00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:39,389 Paul Brunson: Bolt or Bob Marley, or you put on reggae music 687 00:40:39,389 --> 00:40:45,329 Paul Brunson: or whatever it may be, Jamaica resonates. It resonates with 688 00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:49,350 Paul Brunson: a smile. To the point where when sometimes when I 689 00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:52,680 Paul Brunson: travel, and I did this more so about five, six 690 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,550 Paul Brunson: years ago, is I wouldn't say I was American. Because 691 00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:58,979 Paul Brunson: sometimes you jump in a taxi, you say you're American. 692 00:40:58,980 --> 00:41:03,690 Paul Brunson: It's like I say ugh. I say I'm Jamaican, and I tested the 693 00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:06,389 Paul Brunson: taxi. Sometimes I'll jump in. Now I'm like, I'm from 694 00:41:06,389 --> 00:41:10,830 Paul Brunson: the UK. Let's say I was in, where was I? I 695 00:41:10,830 --> 00:41:13,259 Paul Brunson: think the last I did this, I was in Barcelona. 696 00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:17,309 Paul Brunson: I jumped in and I said, "I'm from the UK." You know what the 697 00:41:17,309 --> 00:41:21,120 Paul Brunson: taxi driver did? He's like, he didn't even smile. He's 698 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,080 Paul Brunson: like. Then I said, jumped into another one. " I'm from 699 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,700 Paul Brunson: America, I'm from the US." Whatever. Jump in, " I'm from Jamaica." " 700 00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:37,200 Paul Brunson: Jamaica, man." There's a thing that comes with it. 701 00:41:38,910 --> 00:41:40,379 Alex Legouix: That's so true. Yeah. 702 00:41:40,649 --> 00:41:43,200 Paul Brunson: Why is that? Is it because of Bob Marley and the likes of or? 703 00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:51,210 Paul Brunson: It's all of it. It's the sun. It's knowing the pain 704 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,799 Paul Brunson: that Jamaicans went through. It is the food. It's the 705 00:41:55,799 --> 00:42:01,620 Paul Brunson: vibrancy of the culture. Jamaica, just like the pasty, they've 706 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:06,150 Paul Brunson: remixed the pasty. Everything in Jamaica is spicier. 707 00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:07,230 Alex Legouix: They've remixed life. 708 00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:09,150 Paul Brunson: They've remixed... You said it. 709 00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:12,029 Alex Legouix: Right. Okay, let's go and get a patty then. 710 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,920 Paul Brunson: Can we get one? Let's do it. 711 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:14,279 Alex Legouix: Let's do it. 712 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,029 Paul Brunson: You're going to love it. 713 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:36,511 Alex Legouix: Okay, this is exciting. 714 00:42:36,511 --> 00:42:36,512 Paul Brunson: You're going to love it. Let's eat in the car. That's a good place to eat. All right. 715 00:42:36,511 --> 00:42:36,513 Alex Legouix: Yes. I'm so excited. 716 00:42:36,512 --> 00:42:39,600 Paul Brunson: There you go. Well, hold on. You're about to pull. 717 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,790 Alex Legouix: Tear it. Only because I'm wearing a white top and I'm extraordinarily clumsy. 718 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,830 Paul Brunson: Oh, but you can't tear though. That's not Jamaican style. 719 00:42:46,830 --> 00:42:47,880 Paul Brunson: You have to just eat it like this. 720 00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:48,661 Alex Legouix: Oh, okay. 721 00:42:48,661 --> 00:42:50,129 Paul Brunson: Okay. But you can't spill any. All right, ready? 722 00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:58,291 Alex Legouix: Okay. Yeah. Oh, really good. 723 00:42:58,290 --> 00:42:58,470 Paul Brunson: That's really good. 724 00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:00,270 Alex Legouix: I really enjoyed our chat. 725 00:43:01,290 --> 00:43:06,809 Paul Brunson: Oh, I did too. I thought it was unintrusive and 726 00:43:06,809 --> 00:43:10,979 Paul Brunson: it was just like we just had a conversation, which 727 00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:14,040 Paul Brunson: was cool. While driving, which I've never done before. 728 00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:16,441 Alex Legouix: Hang on. Whoa. You did not drive. I had to do that. 729 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,529 Paul Brunson: But I helped you though. 730 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:19,711 Alex Legouix: Yeah, thank you. 731 00:43:19,711 --> 00:43:19,712 Paul Brunson: No. But thank you though. This is really good. 732 00:43:19,712 --> 00:43:19,713 Alex Legouix: Thank you too. 733 00:43:19,713 --> 00:43:25,439 Paul Brunson: Yeah, really good. 734 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:33,150 Alex Legouix: Thanks so much to Paul Brunson for not only showing 735 00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:36,600 Alex Legouix: me around his adopted home city, but also treating me 736 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,559 Alex Legouix: to a delicious Jamaican patty. 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