1 00:00:02,970 --> 00:00:04,950 Lucy Edwards: The day that I didn't have to look at Instagram was the day I 2 00:00:05,250 --> 00:00:07,680 Lucy Edwards: was set free. Oh, are we going into my cul- de- 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,160 Lucy Edwards: sac now? 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:08,250 Alex Legouix: We are. 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,180 Lucy Edwards: My visual memory does kick in. If I don't, then 6 00:00:12,270 --> 00:00:16,290 Lucy Edwards: who is going to educate people on disability? People are 7 00:00:16,290 --> 00:00:18,660 Lucy Edwards: shocked when I say I love being blind. 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,049 Alex Legouix: Today, I'm on the outskirts of Birmingham, en route to 9 00:00:25,050 --> 00:00:27,240 Alex Legouix: pick up our next guest for Show on the Road, 10 00:00:27,420 --> 00:00:32,070 Alex Legouix: the brilliant and inspiring Lucy Edwards- Cave. An award- winning 11 00:00:32,130 --> 00:00:36,990 Alex Legouix: broadcaster, journalist, author and influencer, Lucy is an unstoppable force 12 00:00:36,990 --> 00:00:39,990 Alex Legouix: of nature, driving change in the way we think about 13 00:00:39,990 --> 00:00:44,820 Alex Legouix: diversity, equity and inclusion. And she's having loads of fun 14 00:00:44,820 --> 00:00:47,699 Alex Legouix: doing it. Brought to you by Auto Trader, the UK's 15 00:00:48,030 --> 00:00:52,409 Alex Legouix: largest automated platform, this is Show on the Road. In 16 00:00:52,409 --> 00:00:54,840 Alex Legouix: this episode, Lucy is going to show us the places 17 00:00:55,110 --> 00:00:58,920 Alex Legouix: where she overcame countless hurdles and ignorance to become the 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,490 Alex Legouix: role model she is today. Those experiences mean she has 19 00:01:02,490 --> 00:01:07,020 Alex Legouix: loads of stories to share and an absolutely gorgeous guide 20 00:01:07,020 --> 00:01:10,830 Alex Legouix: dog called Miss Molly, who's also coming along for the ride 21 00:01:10,860 --> 00:01:16,860 Alex Legouix: and I cannot wait. I'm Alex Legouix, driving a 2008 red 22 00:01:16,860 --> 00:01:20,880 Alex Legouix: Volvo Estate into The Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield to 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Alex Legouix: pick up Lucy from her front door. And here we are. 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:26,490 Lucy Edwards: Straight to the car, Molly. Find the way. Good girl. Is this the car? 25 00:01:30,330 --> 00:01:31,020 Alex Legouix: Hi. 26 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:32,880 Lucy Edwards: Hello, Alex. Oh, it's so lovely to meet you. 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,521 Alex Legouix: It's so nice to meet you too. 28 00:01:35,521 --> 00:01:35,522 Lucy Edwards: Is it okay if you help me get in the car, Alex? Is that all right? 29 00:01:35,522 --> 00:01:35,523 Alex Legouix: Yes, of course. 30 00:01:35,523 --> 00:01:42,390 Lucy Edwards: Is it okay if you give me the back seat handle with this hand? 31 00:01:42,390 --> 00:01:42,660 Alex Legouix: Yeah. 32 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:47,940 Lucy Edwards: Lovely. Come on, Molly. Hop up and wee. Oh, bless you. So 33 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:50,640 Lucy Edwards: I'm wondering if you could plug her into the seat, 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,240 Lucy Edwards: my love. 35 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:52,500 Alex Legouix: Yeah, there we go. 36 00:01:53,100 --> 00:01:55,680 Lucy Edwards: And then I'm wondering if I could be guided to 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,210 Lucy Edwards: the front now. Perfect. And then could you put my 38 00:02:00,210 --> 00:02:01,620 Lucy Edwards: hand on the bottom of the seat and then the back 39 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:02,340 Lucy Edwards: of the seat. 40 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:02,461 Alex Legouix: Okay. 41 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:07,020 Lucy Edwards: So I know which way around. Amazing. Right. I'm going to duck in. Ooh. 42 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:07,800 Alex Legouix: Okay. 43 00:02:07,830 --> 00:02:13,680 Lucy Edwards: We're in. Ooh, very snazzy. Loving it. It's a gorgeous sunny day. I can feel 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,310 Lucy Edwards: it on my face. 45 00:02:14,370 --> 00:02:24,690 Alex Legouix: It is. It's really nice. So, Sutton Coldfield. 46 00:02:24,750 --> 00:02:24,839 Lucy Edwards: I know. 47 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:26,850 Alex Legouix: A royal town. 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:27,090 Lucy Edwards: Yep. 49 00:02:27,090 --> 00:02:31,169 Alex Legouix: None other, deemed by Henry VIII, I think it is. 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:31,919 Lucy Edwards: Didn't know that. 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,620 Alex Legouix: Really? Oh, there we are. Fun fact to start off with. 52 00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:34,889 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. 53 00:02:35,010 --> 00:02:37,260 Alex Legouix: And your manor since birth, right? 54 00:02:37,500 --> 00:02:40,050 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, this is where I grew up. This is where I lost 55 00:02:40,050 --> 00:02:47,221 Lucy Edwards: my eyesight. This is where I was born into existence, figure. 56 00:02:47,221 --> 00:02:47,370 Alex Legouix: So, a lot has gone on around here then? 57 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:50,730 Lucy Edwards: So much. So many visual memories and so many non- 58 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:51,571 Lucy Edwards: sighted memories. Yeah. 59 00:02:51,571 --> 00:02:55,109 Alex Legouix: Yeah, of course. And you spent a good few years 60 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:58,021 Alex Legouix: in Walsall too, right? 61 00:02:58,021 --> 00:02:58,022 Lucy Edwards: Yes, I did. Yeah. 62 00:02:58,022 --> 00:03:00,720 Alex Legouix: What do you remember most vividly then about that part of your life? 63 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:02,970 Lucy Edwards: I moved there when I was around two years old 64 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,970 Lucy Edwards: and I was there till I was about eight. I 65 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:12,780 Lucy Edwards: absolutely love hearing myself in family videos, going shoes, which 66 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:16,081 Lucy Edwards: is very... Shoes. But I was very Black Country back then. 67 00:03:16,081 --> 00:03:16,169 Alex Legouix: Broad. 68 00:03:16,169 --> 00:03:19,230 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, very Brummie. To be honest, I adore the accent. 69 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:23,340 Lucy Edwards: It very much reminds me of home and soothing. Whenever 70 00:03:23,340 --> 00:03:25,169 Lucy Edwards: I hear the accent I'm like, " Oh, that's my early 71 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:29,040 Lucy Edwards: years." And I just remember that little house. Me and my 72 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,530 Lucy Edwards: sister had bedrooms opposite each other and we both had 73 00:03:31,530 --> 00:03:35,460 Lucy Edwards: a bunk bed and my bedroom was bright orange and 74 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:39,630 Lucy Edwards: Alice's was bright yellow. We're only 15 months apart. So 75 00:03:39,630 --> 00:03:40,051 Lucy Edwards: me and my sister are so close. 76 00:03:40,051 --> 00:03:42,720 Alex Legouix: Oh, lovely. 77 00:03:42,780 --> 00:03:43,800 Lucy Edwards: Alice and Lucy. 78 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:45,510 Alex Legouix: And you're still really close now then? 79 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:48,120 Lucy Edwards: We're still really close and we both have disabilities. So 80 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,140 Lucy Edwards: she has autism and I'm completely blind and I feel 81 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Lucy Edwards: that it's brought us so close because she sees the 82 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,090 Lucy Edwards: world with so much clarity. And for me as a blind 83 00:04:00,090 --> 00:04:03,540 Lucy Edwards: person, it being so overwhelming to, I guess, audio describe. 84 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:05,190 Lucy Edwards: I know when I first went blind I was like, " 85 00:04:05,430 --> 00:04:07,860 Lucy Edwards: Can you just describe everything?," 'cause obviously I wanted all 86 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:10,530 Lucy Edwards: that visual memory to come back into my mind and 87 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:13,230 Lucy Edwards: flood it, but after a while it became so overwhelming. 88 00:04:13,590 --> 00:04:16,320 Lucy Edwards: But Alice just knows the exact things to describe to 89 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,890 Lucy Edwards: me because of her clarity of thought. Autism is such 90 00:04:19,890 --> 00:04:21,960 Lucy Edwards: a special superpower. 91 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,230 Alex Legouix: I love that. So we're on our way to your 92 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:27,810 Alex Legouix: old house now, which is just a few miles from 93 00:04:27,810 --> 00:04:31,470 Alex Legouix: where you live now and it's hugely significant in your 94 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:33,360 Alex Legouix: life story. Can you tell us how? 95 00:04:33,660 --> 00:04:36,839 Lucy Edwards: So this house was the last house I ever saw 96 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:41,279 Lucy Edwards: as I lost my vision completely at age 17. So 97 00:04:41,339 --> 00:04:43,440 Lucy Edwards: when I think about this house, it makes me feel 98 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,960 Lucy Edwards: so emotional 'cause my parents have only moved from it 99 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,580 Lucy Edwards: in the past three years. So when we sold this 100 00:04:50,580 --> 00:04:53,580 Lucy Edwards: house, it was such a thing for myself and my 101 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:55,500 Lucy Edwards: family. Like my mum and my dad and my sister 102 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:58,289 Lucy Edwards: and I were there for the very last night and 103 00:04:58,290 --> 00:05:00,900 Lucy Edwards: we all cried together in it because so much happened 104 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:04,500 Lucy Edwards: in that house. I remember when I got my first 105 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:07,860 Lucy Edwards: guide dog, Miss Olga, who's at home now, retired. We've 106 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:09,930 Lucy Edwards: obviously got the gorgeous Miss Molly in the back. But 107 00:05:10,589 --> 00:05:15,330 Lucy Edwards: I remember being at the front door, shaking, holding onto 108 00:05:15,330 --> 00:05:18,450 Lucy Edwards: this harness for the very first time with Olga and 109 00:05:18,450 --> 00:05:22,140 Lucy Edwards: just thinking, " Why am I holding a dog's harness and 110 00:05:22,140 --> 00:05:26,219 Lucy Edwards: trusting them with my life? This is so weird. Who else does 111 00:05:26,220 --> 00:05:30,150 Lucy Edwards: this? This is such a unique experience." I remember feeling 112 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:33,120 Lucy Edwards: so, so low and depressed when I first lost my 113 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,909 Lucy Edwards: eyesight at 17, and she was the routine that got 114 00:05:35,910 --> 00:05:37,950 Lucy Edwards: me up. She was the thing that needed me. There 115 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:39,930 Lucy Edwards: was so much of the world that kind of said 116 00:05:40,050 --> 00:05:42,089 Lucy Edwards: in my mind that I was a burden, that I 117 00:05:42,089 --> 00:05:44,070 Lucy Edwards: was the thing that needed to be fixed in this 118 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:47,400 Lucy Edwards: kind of medical model of disability that we see. For 119 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,669 Lucy Edwards: all of my teenage years. I was going to an 120 00:05:50,670 --> 00:05:54,510 Lucy Edwards: eye hospital appointment in London and they were saying, " How 121 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:57,480 Lucy Edwards: do we fix your eyesight?" But suddenly this dog came 122 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,549 Lucy Edwards: and she was like, " Well no, you don't need to 123 00:05:59,550 --> 00:06:02,940 Lucy Edwards: be fixed. You can do this, you can be independent, 124 00:06:02,940 --> 00:06:05,580 Lucy Edwards: you can have wings, you don't need your vision. You've 125 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:13,320 Lucy Edwards: got me and I need you." Oh, we are going into 126 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,370 Lucy Edwards: my cul- de- sac now? 127 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:14,460 Alex Legouix: We are. 128 00:06:14,460 --> 00:06:17,490 Lucy Edwards: See this is the thing. I kind of know the turn 129 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:21,690 Lucy Edwards: of it. So if you go right after this. It's 130 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:24,750 Lucy Edwards: honestly just the turns of the car. My visual memory 131 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:27,479 Lucy Edwards: does kick in, it's the house with a flat on the 132 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:35,760 Lucy Edwards: front. So my parents actually built the flat on the 133 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,219 Lucy Edwards: front of the house. There's a big couple of windows 134 00:06:38,220 --> 00:06:41,010 Lucy Edwards: at the front that my dad put in. We designed 135 00:06:41,010 --> 00:06:43,980 Lucy Edwards: it together. I don't know if they've still got the blinds there 136 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:44,580 Lucy Edwards: on the front. 137 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:47,130 Alex Legouix: Yeah. So we've got a bay window at the bottom 138 00:06:47,220 --> 00:06:49,560 Alex Legouix: with four big windows within it, if you like. 139 00:06:50,190 --> 00:06:52,260 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. And then protruding out is the flat. 140 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:52,469 Alex Legouix: That's right. 141 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,370 Lucy Edwards: So that's where me and Ollie basically grew up 'cause 142 00:06:56,370 --> 00:06:59,010 Lucy Edwards: it got built when I was 18 and then we 143 00:06:59,010 --> 00:07:01,710 Lucy Edwards: had all of uni in there. Ollie went to uni, 144 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:04,349 Lucy Edwards: I went to uni and dropped out, worked at the BBC. 145 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:05,610 Alex Legouix: What color was the front door? 146 00:07:05,670 --> 00:07:08,160 Lucy Edwards: The front door was black and then it had a 147 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,620 Lucy Edwards: keypad on it that spoke to me and I could 148 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,020 Lucy Edwards: thumb in the keypad. Has it still got that keypad 149 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:13,081 Lucy Edwards: on the front? 150 00:07:13,081 --> 00:07:14,460 Alex Legouix: Is that the grey box- 151 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:14,701 Lucy Edwards: On the side. 152 00:07:14,701 --> 00:07:16,950 Alex Legouix: ... to the left of the front door? 153 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:18,061 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's still there. 154 00:07:18,061 --> 00:07:20,730 Alex Legouix: That's still there. I feel quite emotional, so I'm like, " 155 00:07:20,820 --> 00:07:21,510 Alex Legouix: Oh wow." 156 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:23,610 Alex Legouix: What was it like when you went in through the 157 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:24,300 Alex Legouix: front door? 158 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:28,440 Lucy Edwards: I designed it actually, and it had tiles on the 159 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,640 Lucy Edwards: floor, gray slate, and then the kitchen was kind of 160 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,480 Lucy Edwards: to the left with a little breakfast bar. My bedroom 161 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,670 Lucy Edwards: was a dark plum because that's the last color I 162 00:07:38,670 --> 00:07:41,700 Lucy Edwards: saw as well in my bedroom. And it took my 163 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:45,510 Lucy Edwards: dad six coats to paint this plum before it became 164 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,610 Lucy Edwards: nice to look at. 165 00:07:52,140 --> 00:07:53,581 Alex Legouix: So we're just turning around in the end of- 166 00:07:53,581 --> 00:07:53,581 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, the end one. 167 00:07:53,581 --> 00:07:53,582 Alex Legouix: ...the- 168 00:07:53,582 --> 00:07:53,583 Lucy Edwards: I know exactly where we are. 169 00:07:53,583 --> 00:08:00,750 Alex Legouix: ... cul-de-sac. Because of the time of year as well, we've got some pretty 170 00:08:00,750 --> 00:08:04,680 Alex Legouix: flowers coming out, some lovely colors around. There's a yellow 171 00:08:04,740 --> 00:08:07,650 Alex Legouix: flower to the left of you right now. If I 172 00:08:07,650 --> 00:08:09,600 Alex Legouix: knew anything about my flowers, I'd give you a bit 173 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Alex Legouix: more description but I don't have a clue. 174 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,060 Lucy Edwards: Can I say though, the most gorgeous thing about audio 175 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:19,440 Lucy Edwards: description is knowing through your eyes what you see in 176 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,170 Lucy Edwards: your own way, which I absolutely love because if I 177 00:08:22,170 --> 00:08:24,450 Lucy Edwards: was with a florist, they'd probably tell me loads. But 178 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:26,430 Lucy Edwards: I love the fact you've described it like that because 179 00:08:26,430 --> 00:08:29,100 Lucy Edwards: it's uniquely you. And that's what audio description does. I 180 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:32,550 Lucy Edwards: feel when, if I'm interviewing someone on a red carpet or something 181 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:35,250 Lucy Edwards: and I'm like, " Audio describe yourself," they're like, "Oh, well, I didn't 182 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:41,941 Lucy Edwards: brush my hair this morning." And it's really lovely. 183 00:08:41,941 --> 00:08:41,942 Alex Legouix: I didn't brush my. 184 00:08:41,942 --> 00:08:45,150 Alex Legouix: Hair this morning, actually. But I love that because it's a part of your personality of that day. It's a snapshot. 185 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,780 Alex Legouix: You didn't experience any sight loss at all until you 186 00:08:48,780 --> 00:08:50,580 Alex Legouix: were eight. Is that right? 187 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,620 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. So I went in for a routine eye check 188 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:55,679 Lucy Edwards: at age eight, and the optician just looked at me and went, " 189 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:57,750 Lucy Edwards: I can see something on the back of your eyes." 190 00:08:57,929 --> 00:09:00,089 Lucy Edwards: And they turned to my mom and said, " Mrs. Edwards, 191 00:09:00,090 --> 00:09:01,650 Lucy Edwards: I think you need to rush her to the eye 192 00:09:01,650 --> 00:09:06,990 Lucy Edwards: hospital." And my mom was so confused, but the ophthalmologist, 193 00:09:06,990 --> 00:09:09,900 Lucy Edwards: when we got to the hospital, linked it to this 194 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:13,380 Lucy Edwards: skin condition that I had four years prior, and on 195 00:09:13,380 --> 00:09:16,290 Lucy Edwards: the backs of my legs. I had what only can 196 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:20,700 Lucy Edwards: be described as blistered skin that went away when my mom 197 00:09:20,850 --> 00:09:22,260 Lucy Edwards: and dad put some cream on it. But it was 198 00:09:22,260 --> 00:09:24,720 Lucy Edwards: there for years and years and they diagnosed that as 199 00:09:24,809 --> 00:09:30,840 Lucy Edwards: incontinentia pigmenti. So then they monitored it for years and years. 200 00:09:30,929 --> 00:09:33,990 Lucy Edwards: But at age 11, I lost my right eye to 201 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:36,780 Lucy Edwards: a retinal detachment. Not the actual eye, but the back 202 00:09:36,780 --> 00:09:39,030 Lucy Edwards: of the eye kind of just... It's almost like the 203 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:43,800 Lucy Edwards: wallpaper of my eye pinged off. And then from 11 to 17 204 00:09:44,190 --> 00:09:47,100 Lucy Edwards: they just monitored it and there was just nothing they could 205 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:50,130 Lucy Edwards: do. No way that they could make me not blind. 206 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:53,640 Lucy Edwards: And then, yeah, it just happened. And I sat in 207 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,940 Lucy Edwards: that hospital bed when I was 17 years old and 208 00:09:56,940 --> 00:10:01,020 Lucy Edwards: this consultant, Professor Moore, shout out to you, but he was retiring 209 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:03,630 Lucy Edwards: on the exact week that I was losing my eyesight 210 00:10:03,630 --> 00:10:06,030 Lucy Edwards: and he'd been the consultant that had seen me since 211 00:10:06,030 --> 00:10:08,460 Lucy Edwards: I'd been referred to London. But he came to my 212 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:10,920 Lucy Edwards: bedside and he was like, " Luc, we always hoped it 213 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,079 Lucy Edwards: wouldn't come to this," and I think that is when 214 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,229 Lucy Edwards: I reevaluated what hope was because I was like, " Well, 215 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:21,420 Lucy Edwards: hope isn't me having vision. Hope isn't me needing to 216 00:10:21,420 --> 00:10:23,910 Lucy Edwards: be fixed or needing to be something that I'm not. 217 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:24,151 Alex Legouix: Absolutely. 218 00:10:24,809 --> 00:10:29,969 Lucy Edwards: This is me now. I don't want a cure and disability 219 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:33,240 Lucy Edwards: isn't this thing that should be seen as a taboo 220 00:10:33,510 --> 00:10:35,880 Lucy Edwards: because I was so scared because I saw no one 221 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,780 Lucy Edwards: else around me living an amazing life with blindness. 'Cause 222 00:10:39,780 --> 00:10:42,150 Lucy Edwards: it is a scary thing, but when you know about 223 00:10:42,150 --> 00:10:45,090 Lucy Edwards: it is so less scary. I think people are shocked 224 00:10:45,090 --> 00:10:48,270 Lucy Edwards: when I say to them now, " I love being blind. 225 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:51,900 Lucy Edwards: I actively adore my life. I don't hope for a 226 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:55,470 Lucy Edwards: cure anymore. I live for today." And I think that is 227 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:57,660 Lucy Edwards: the biggest gift that my blindness has given me. 228 00:10:57,870 --> 00:11:01,320 Alex Legouix: That is incredibly inspirational. 229 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:01,620 Lucy Edwards: Thank you. 230 00:11:02,070 --> 00:11:06,990 Alex Legouix: So was secondary school a place of solitude for you 231 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:08,040 Alex Legouix: during that time? 232 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,790 Lucy Edwards: I would say that secondary school was my place to 233 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:16,320 Lucy Edwards: escape, my place with my friends. I'm still best friends 234 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,600 Lucy Edwards: with them to this day. I don't think you can 235 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,679 Lucy Edwards: go through blindness and not cling on to those people 236 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,059 Lucy Edwards: that got you through that time. Yeah, my friends would guide me 237 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:30,720 Lucy Edwards: in class. I remember my best friend, Connie, when I 238 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,579 Lucy Edwards: could still see a little bit, but I whispered her 239 00:11:32,580 --> 00:11:35,069 Lucy Edwards: and I said, " Connie, I can't see the whiteboard anymore." And 240 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:37,230 Lucy Edwards: she'd be like, " Don't worry babe." I was like, " I really don't want 241 00:11:37,230 --> 00:11:39,540 Lucy Edwards: a teaching assistant. I don't want to look different. So 242 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:42,210 Lucy Edwards: can we sit at the front together and can you 243 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:46,530 Lucy Edwards: write down everything that the psychology teacher is writing on 244 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:49,950 Lucy Edwards: the whiteboard?" So she would be like, bless her, writing 245 00:11:49,950 --> 00:11:52,770 Lucy Edwards: so quickly. And then being, shout out for Connie, as 246 00:11:52,770 --> 00:11:53,550 Lucy Edwards: well, literally. 247 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:54,510 Alex Legouix: Wow. 248 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,330 Lucy Edwards: All these gorgeous people in my life. And then when 249 00:11:57,510 --> 00:12:00,360 Lucy Edwards: I was losing my eyesight, she audio recorded all of my A 250 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,559 Lucy Edwards: level classes. Just divine humans and this is where I 251 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,109 Lucy Edwards: learned braille. I didn't want to. I didn't want to 252 00:12:07,830 --> 00:12:10,170 Lucy Edwards: use my cane. My mom and dad were like, " You 253 00:12:10,170 --> 00:12:12,839 Lucy Edwards: can be independent. Come on, use your cane." I'm so 254 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,240 Lucy Edwards: glad they made me, but oh my gosh, I really 255 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,170 Lucy Edwards: didn't want to be different. 256 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:20,280 Alex Legouix: Is it that that was holding you back? 257 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:23,819 Lucy Edwards: It was holding me back. You're right. My own mental 258 00:12:24,270 --> 00:12:27,360 Lucy Edwards: health with it, like not wanting to be different. No 259 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,740 Lucy Edwards: one wants to be different at school. Right? 260 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:30,721 Alex Legouix: It's the hardest place to be different, right? 261 00:12:30,721 --> 00:12:34,230 Lucy Edwards: Yes. There's so many blind people that message me to this 262 00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:37,230 Lucy Edwards: day on my socials, like, " How are you so confident?" " I hate 263 00:12:37,230 --> 00:12:39,420 Lucy Edwards: being different at school and I don't want to get 264 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:42,929 Lucy Edwards: my cane out." " It's so amazing that you put diamantes 265 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:48,059 Lucy Edwards: on your cane," and, " You inspire me." And I think I 266 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:50,819 Lucy Edwards: didn't want to be blind back then. 267 00:12:50,819 --> 00:12:59,939 Alex Legouix: We're right in front of Sutton Coldfield Town Hall, which 268 00:12:59,940 --> 00:13:02,280 Alex Legouix: is a really cool - looking- 269 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,290 Lucy Edwards: It's a gorgeous building with this tall tower, this part of Sutton right by 270 00:13:07,290 --> 00:13:11,340 Lucy Edwards: the town hall. Everyone always, on Strava, you see their runs 271 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:14,010 Lucy Edwards: and it's always getting up this hill, it's like, " How 272 00:13:14,010 --> 00:13:16,290 Lucy Edwards: many minutes can you do it in?" It's like a big feat. 273 00:13:16,410 --> 00:13:21,420 Alex Legouix: It'll take me hours to get up there. 274 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:21,478 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. Literally. 275 00:13:22,380 --> 00:13:23,521 Alex Legouix: We're just pulling into Wyndley or Wyndley? 276 00:13:23,521 --> 00:13:30,151 Lucy Edwards: Oh, Wyndley. Yeah. Perfect. 277 00:13:30,151 --> 00:13:32,880 Alex Legouix: Wyndley Leisure Centre. 278 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,091 Lucy Edwards: Are we by the track now? 279 00:13:33,091 --> 00:13:33,211 Alex Legouix: We are, yes. 280 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,280 Lucy Edwards: I remember when I just lost my eyesight and I was 281 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,580 Lucy Edwards: applying for the BBC, I had a guide runner named Steve, 282 00:13:41,580 --> 00:13:44,100 Lucy Edwards: and we ran so many miles around that track, like 283 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:47,490 Lucy Edwards: training together 'cause he was just learning how to guide 284 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:50,100 Lucy Edwards: a blind person for the first time. And I remember we 285 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:53,429 Lucy Edwards: went round that track so many times one way and 286 00:13:53,429 --> 00:13:54,990 Lucy Edwards: we were like, " Oh my gosh, why didn't we switch 287 00:13:54,990 --> 00:14:01,800 Lucy Edwards: directions? Because my knee's hurting on one side, not the other," doing five miles on the track. 288 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:05,490 Alex Legouix: Physical exercise has always been a really good outlet for 289 00:14:05,490 --> 00:14:06,088 Alex Legouix: you, hasn't it? 290 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:09,870 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, it always has. Considering I didn't do PE, I 291 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:14,850 Lucy Edwards: think finding exercises that were very much tailored to me 292 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:18,300 Lucy Edwards: as a blind person, I think I've loved it. I remember 293 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:20,970 Lucy Edwards: doing the marathon in back in 2017 and I was like, " 294 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,400 Lucy Edwards: My mental health is so bad right now. I think 295 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,710 Lucy Edwards: when I cross this finish line, it will be such 296 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:26,610 Lucy Edwards: a feat for me." 297 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:27,960 Alex Legouix: And what an achievement. 298 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,670 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, I did it in six and a half hours 299 00:14:29,670 --> 00:14:31,320 Lucy Edwards: and oh my gosh, I couldn't feel my legs 300 00:14:32,001 --> 00:14:33,330 Alex Legouix: And how does running make you feel? 301 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:41,520 Lucy Edwards: Oh, gosh. Just beautiful. It's a very all encompassing exercise. It's 302 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,940 Lucy Edwards: mind over matter, especially when you're doing that many miles. 303 00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:48,750 Lucy Edwards: I found that my rhythm was about 12 to 15 304 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:52,980 Lucy Edwards: miles, but I think running all the time most days, 305 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,340 Lucy Edwards: that's how I cured myself of some of my mental health 306 00:14:56,340 --> 00:14:57,270 Lucy Edwards: problems. Yeah. 307 00:14:57,510 --> 00:15:01,230 Alex Legouix: There's something very non- defeatist about you, isn't there? 308 00:15:01,230 --> 00:15:01,231 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. 309 00:15:01,231 --> 00:15:04,020 Alex Legouix: Is that something that you've always had regardless? 310 00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:04,890 Lucy Edwards: Always. 311 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,580 Alex Legouix: Really? 312 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:08,850 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. I've always tried to define myself by how I 313 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:11,640 Lucy Edwards: get up from things. I really don't want to see things 314 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,020 Lucy Edwards: as failures because I feel like we all have little failures that we 315 00:15:16,020 --> 00:15:19,050 Lucy Edwards: see as failures every single day. But I think it's 316 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,020 Lucy Edwards: how we get up from it that defines what happens 317 00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:24,390 Lucy Edwards: to us. And honestly, I've had those moments where I 318 00:15:24,390 --> 00:15:27,240 Lucy Edwards: have let myself just kind of exist in the moment 319 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,370 Lucy Edwards: and I think that's healthy when you feel so ill. 320 00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:31,590 Lucy Edwards: But I think past that, I think there's a point 321 00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:33,690 Lucy Edwards: where you have to be like, " No Luc, you have 322 00:15:33,690 --> 00:15:35,760 Lucy Edwards: to get up right now and you have to put 323 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,760 Lucy Edwards: one foot in front of the other and do something for you," 324 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:41,790 Lucy Edwards: and that's what running was for me. I think after 325 00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:43,890 Lucy Edwards: that and me crossing the finish line at the marathon, 326 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:45,600 Lucy Edwards: it gave me the confidence to then apply for the 327 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,900 Lucy Edwards: BBC and do all of those other things that now 328 00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:52,920 Lucy Edwards: have made my rich tapestry of life expand. 329 00:15:53,460 --> 00:16:06,600 Alex Legouix: Good for you. We've just pulled into Sutton Park National 330 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,530 Alex Legouix: Nature Reserve. 331 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:10,320 Lucy Edwards: Oh. So pretty. This is where me and Miss Molls 332 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,940 Lucy Edwards: come on our free run walks. 333 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:12,810 Alex Legouix: Oh, really? 334 00:16:12,810 --> 00:16:15,630 Lucy Edwards: So with Miss Molls, she has several free runs a 335 00:16:15,630 --> 00:16:18,750 Lucy Edwards: week where she just lets her doggy little ears down. 336 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:21,810 Lucy Edwards: And she has fun running in the breeze with her 337 00:16:21,810 --> 00:16:25,080 Lucy Edwards: sister, Miss Olga. The amount of times where we've been 338 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,220 Lucy Edwards: around Sutton Park and there's been cows just milling around. 339 00:16:29,250 --> 00:16:29,251 Alex Legouix: Really? 340 00:16:29,251 --> 00:16:32,550 Lucy Edwards: And we're running out the way and then they're following you 341 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:35,760 Lucy Edwards: and it's actually scary. 342 00:16:36,810 --> 00:16:36,871 Alex Legouix: Wow. They can be a bit scary, cows randomly. 343 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:39,840 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. I love them. I don't eat them. I'm a vegetarian. They can stay 344 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Lucy Edwards: where they are, but they just scare me. 345 00:16:42,390 --> 00:16:47,580 Alex Legouix: So we were tipped off that you particularly like sultanas 346 00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:49,650 Alex Legouix: and McDonald's french fries. 347 00:16:49,830 --> 00:16:52,590 Lucy Edwards: I do. They're my comfort food. So I had those 348 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,770 Lucy Edwards: after I had my eyesight operations. My mom would always 349 00:16:55,770 --> 00:16:58,680 Lucy Edwards: go and get them for me. She's just a cutie pie. 350 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,380 Alex Legouix: She always got red cards, didn't she? 351 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:02,220 Lucy Edwards: Always got red cars. 352 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:02,970 Alex Legouix: Why was that? 353 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:06,780 Lucy Edwards: Oh, okay. So when I lost my vision, I, for 354 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:09,300 Lucy Edwards: some reason could still see the color red before I 355 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:11,460 Lucy Edwards: lost all the rest of my color vision, probably like 356 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:15,330 Lucy Edwards: 18, 19. And I just could see her red cars. So 357 00:17:15,330 --> 00:17:18,119 Lucy Edwards: she'd always just get these red cars and we had 358 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,369 Lucy Edwards: a bit of a conversation. She was like, I don't want to buy any other 359 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,939 Lucy Edwards: car color unless you tell me that I can." This was 360 00:17:27,030 --> 00:17:28,800 Lucy Edwards: like two years ago when she got her new car 361 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,890 Lucy Edwards: and I was like, " Mom, why don't we just cleanse 362 00:17:31,890 --> 00:17:35,520 Lucy Edwards: ourselves? You need to change the color of your car. It's time." 363 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,560 Lucy Edwards: And she was like, " Okay, I'll go blue, 'cause it's another 364 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,399 Lucy Edwards: primary color." 365 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:38,460 Alex Legouix: Wow. 366 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:41,220 Lucy Edwards: So it was a really big thing for her to change her color 367 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:42,721 Lucy Edwards: car, and I know that sounds really silly. 368 00:17:42,721 --> 00:17:43,590 Alex Legouix: Doesn't think silly at all. 369 00:17:45,030 --> 00:17:48,720 Lucy Edwards: It was definitely like us saying bye to that section 370 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,240 Lucy Edwards: of my eyesight loss. Cars mean a lot, don't they? 371 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:53,340 Alex Legouix: They really can do. They're very nostalgic. 372 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:53,910 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. 373 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,670 Alex Legouix: So today we are in a red Volvo V70. 374 00:17:59,670 --> 00:17:59,970 Lucy Edwards: Wow. 375 00:18:00,630 --> 00:18:03,480 Alex Legouix: And your dad, didn't he have one similar to this? 376 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,290 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, he had a white Volvo that I always used to be like, " 377 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:10,080 Lucy Edwards: Oh my gosh." Yeah, he was so proud of it. 378 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:14,310 Alex Legouix: Now this particular one is from 2008 and since then 379 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:20,910 Alex Legouix: Volvo has actually stopped producing estate cars and there are 15, 000 380 00:18:20,910 --> 00:18:25,020 Alex Legouix: Volvo estates still being listed on AutoTrader just in the last year. 381 00:18:25,859 --> 00:18:26,461 Lucy Edwards: Oh, wow. That's cool. 382 00:18:26,461 --> 00:18:26,462 Alex Legouix: Oh, yeah. 383 00:18:26,462 --> 00:18:27,150 Lucy Edwards: So you can still get one. 384 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:31,380 Alex Legouix: Yes. We picked this one up nearby from Solihull Motor 385 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:38,369 Alex Legouix: Group and it's done a whopping 171,000 miles and counting. 386 00:18:38,490 --> 00:18:39,960 Lucy Edwards: Wow. And we're doing a few more today. 387 00:18:40,050 --> 00:18:44,970 Alex Legouix: We are. Well you can find thousands of cars like 388 00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:48,090 Alex Legouix: this one on AutoTrader where they are ready and available 389 00:18:48,090 --> 00:18:50,190 Alex Legouix: to drive away today. Should we carry on? 390 00:18:50,250 --> 00:19:00,240 Lucy Edwards: Let's do it, Alex. Let's do it. 391 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,959 Alex Legouix: Okay. From Sutton Park, now we're going to go to 392 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,280 Alex Legouix: Highbury Theatre. 393 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:07,710 Lucy Edwards: Oh, that's where me and Ollie met. 394 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:07,711 Alex Legouix: Oh. 395 00:19:07,711 --> 00:19:10,740 Lucy Edwards: Oh, my hubby. 396 00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:14,310 Alex Legouix: All right, come on then. Tell me the gossip. 397 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:14,731 Lucy Edwards: Shall I tell you all? 398 00:19:14,731 --> 00:19:14,732 Alex Legouix: Mm-hm. 399 00:19:14,732 --> 00:19:19,740 Lucy Edwards: Okay. So me and him we met at Highbury and we 400 00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:22,859 Lucy Edwards: went to an amateur dramatics club together, but the reason 401 00:19:22,859 --> 00:19:26,399 Lucy Edwards: that he came is because his family friend Jane went 402 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,150 Lucy Edwards: over for dinner because she was obviously friends with Ollie's 403 00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:36,150 Lucy Edwards: mom and dad, and over a spaghetti bolognese Jane said, " 404 00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:40,859 Lucy Edwards: We need more boys for this production of Adrian Mole." 405 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:43,920 Lucy Edwards: And Ollie was like, " Okay, I'll come." And she even 406 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,500 Lucy Edwards: said over the spag bol, " Well, there's a girl there 407 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:48,300 Lucy Edwards: called Lucy and I think she might like you and 408 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:51,720 Lucy Edwards: I think you'll get on." I don't know what wizardry 409 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,080 Lucy Edwards: she was conjuring up there, but shout out o Jane. 410 00:19:55,109 --> 00:19:56,730 Lucy Edwards: So she set us up and then to be honest, 411 00:19:56,730 --> 00:19:58,980 Lucy Edwards: the rest is history. We did loads of different plays. 412 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:02,550 Lucy Edwards: And the one thing though that was screaming out about 413 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:05,220 Lucy Edwards: him was his horrendous white trainers. 414 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:05,941 Alex Legouix: Oh, boy. 415 00:20:05,941 --> 00:20:08,730 Lucy Edwards: I mean, I loved his outfits and everything, but his trainers 416 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:12,480 Lucy Edwards: just had to go out when we got together. And 417 00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:14,820 Lucy Edwards: we did a production of Peace Pan and he was- 418 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:15,211 Alex Legouix: And you were? 419 00:20:15,211 --> 00:20:15,212 Lucy Edwards: I was Wendy. 420 00:20:15,212 --> 00:20:15,213 Alex Legouix: Oh, of course. 421 00:20:15,213 --> 00:20:19,350 Lucy Edwards: And he was the pirate that tried to kill me. 422 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:25,379 Lucy Edwards: So romantic. Also, I lost my eyesight in the middle 423 00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:28,440 Lucy Edwards: of playing Wendy. So we had to adapt the backstage 424 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,740 Lucy Edwards: crew to guide me all around the stage and it 425 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:35,580 Lucy Edwards: was just so sweet how that happened. I can't even 426 00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:38,280 Lucy Edwards: express in words how much I love him to this 427 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,060 Lucy Edwards: day. It sounds really soppy. He is my soulmate and 428 00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:44,790 Lucy Edwards: I know that I am sitting here and I'm so 429 00:20:44,790 --> 00:20:48,750 Lucy Edwards: lucky to say that I met my husband at 15, 16 years 430 00:20:48,750 --> 00:20:52,740 Lucy Edwards: old at a club and our wedding was next level. 431 00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:55,320 Lucy Edwards: I still dream about the day. I want to relive it over 432 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,780 Lucy Edwards: and over and over again. Can't believe it was nearly 433 00:20:57,780 --> 00:20:58,890 Lucy Edwards: a year ago. 434 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:02,369 Alex Legouix: And something that I noticed on the video is that 435 00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:05,490 Alex Legouix: Ollie wore a blindfold and all of your guests. Can 436 00:21:05,490 --> 00:21:07,710 Alex Legouix: you talk me through that because that for me was 437 00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:09,000 Alex Legouix: really powerful to see? 438 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,950 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. Well, Ollie doesn't see blindness as a disability. He was like, " 439 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:16,140 Lucy Edwards: Well, this is our world. This is our life. This 440 00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:19,139 Lucy Edwards: is what we deal with together. I want to make 441 00:21:19,140 --> 00:21:23,100 Lucy Edwards: that public stand that your world is lovely to be 442 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:26,369 Lucy Edwards: in." And as a sighted person, he thinks that's really 443 00:21:26,369 --> 00:21:30,000 Lucy Edwards: important as a stand to just be like, " We're in 444 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,639 Lucy Edwards: this together." And with that, we had gorgeous trailing flowers 445 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:39,270 Lucy Edwards: up the aisle and the scents changed as you walked 446 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:42,210 Lucy Edwards: up the aisle. So we knew where we were. We 447 00:21:42,210 --> 00:21:45,900 Lucy Edwards: had this amazing sound company that actually does the prompts. 448 00:21:46,619 --> 00:21:48,480 Lucy Edwards: We kind of spent a lot of our budget on 449 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,959 Lucy Edwards: the sound and we had this 3D audio where Ollie 450 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,890 Lucy Edwards: developed the track with the sound engineers to crescendo as 451 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,740 Lucy Edwards: I got further towards him as well with the strings 452 00:21:58,740 --> 00:22:02,369 Lucy Edwards: and everything kind of going up towards the aisle. And 453 00:22:02,369 --> 00:22:07,199 Lucy Edwards: then just everyone from my dad having different kind of 454 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,220 Lucy Edwards: scents on them with their flowers that were on their lapels. 455 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:15,840 Lucy Edwards: I think scent is so guiding. So what I mean 456 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,290 Lucy Edwards: by that is if I get a cold, I open 457 00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:21,180 Lucy Edwards: a jar of mustard and I'm like, " Oh my gosh, 458 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:23,100 Lucy Edwards: I don't know what this is." It's really weird to 459 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:26,850 Lucy Edwards: me that if I don't have a braille label on 460 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:30,660 Lucy Edwards: something, I need to smell it. It feels so important 461 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:34,140 Lucy Edwards: to me that I know what someone's perfume is like 462 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:37,170 Lucy Edwards: because it's a sense of self. Memories for me were 463 00:22:37,170 --> 00:22:39,570 Lucy Edwards: made on my wedding day and that perfume will be 464 00:22:39,570 --> 00:22:43,050 Lucy Edwards: forever in my mind as something so important to me 465 00:22:43,050 --> 00:22:46,920 Lucy Edwards: as a staple of my memory. I think certain flowers 466 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,010 Lucy Edwards: bring me back to moments of my childhood, like daisies 467 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:52,590 Lucy Edwards: and buttercups. When you're on the field, when you're a 468 00:22:52,590 --> 00:22:56,250 Lucy Edwards: young girl and the smell of grass, it's so visceral, 469 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,940 Lucy Edwards: It's so gorgeous. And until you put that blindfold on 470 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:02,850 Lucy Edwards: or experience that one moment where you're just like, " I 471 00:23:02,850 --> 00:23:05,640 Lucy Edwards: am one with my body," you are not going to get 472 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,210 Lucy Edwards: the same experience by seeing it. Because I do believe 473 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:11,280 Lucy Edwards: that in this world that we live in, we are 474 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,980 Lucy Edwards: also about the visuals. The day that I didn't have 475 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:16,830 Lucy Edwards: to look at Instagram was the day I was set 476 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:20,520 Lucy Edwards: free. I have no comparison. I have no ability to 477 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,970 Lucy Edwards: have that kind of, I guess, jealousy and envy of 478 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,179 Lucy Edwards: other people. And it set me free. It really has 479 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:30,240 Lucy Edwards: the ability to just love my body and love the 480 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,590 Lucy Edwards: way that I am. And I think that's why I love 481 00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:37,230 Lucy Edwards: yoga, but I love running so much because it's just, 482 00:23:37,230 --> 00:23:40,500 Lucy Edwards: you are one with yourself, aren't you? And I think sometimes blindness 483 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,869 Lucy Edwards: can be such a lonely disability if I think of it like, " 484 00:23:42,869 --> 00:23:45,960 Lucy Edwards: Oh my gosh, I'm just in my brain." But then 485 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,800 Lucy Edwards: if I'm thinking about different techniques that I use to 486 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,650 Lucy Edwards: soothe my brain, like my lovely pleasant place, I can 487 00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:55,710 Lucy Edwards: sit here and just be one with myself and think, " 488 00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:58,260 Lucy Edwards: Oh my gosh, let's bring back all these scents and 489 00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:01,200 Lucy Edwards: think about my gorgeous bedroom." That's my pleasant place when 490 00:24:01,230 --> 00:24:04,200 Lucy Edwards: I think about all of the different things around me. Those 491 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,140 Lucy Edwards: are techniques that really just make you breathe. 492 00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:08,251 Alex Legouix: Wow. 493 00:24:08,251 --> 00:24:11,040 Lucy Edwards: The world is so hectic, isn't it? 494 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:15,240 Alex Legouix: Yeah. So we're actually sitting outside Highbury Theatre. 495 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:15,899 Lucy Edwards: Oh, are we? 496 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,219 Alex Legouix: Yeah. It's on our right. It's like a brown brick building. 497 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:21,359 Lucy Edwards: Quite an old building. 498 00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:23,161 Alex Legouix: Yeah, it does look quite old. 499 00:24:23,161 --> 00:24:25,740 Lucy Edwards: I remember when you went in there, it smelt of old 500 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:30,810 Lucy Edwards: wood and is there still a little brick wall outside the front? 501 00:24:30,869 --> 00:24:32,161 Alex Legouix: Yeah. And then there's a balcony. 502 00:24:32,161 --> 00:24:36,420 Lucy Edwards: I can't quite remember that. I think we always used to go in the side 503 00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:39,690 Lucy Edwards: of the building and it's such a cute little theatre. 504 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,010 Lucy Edwards: I remember the back changing rooms being quite small, but 505 00:24:44,010 --> 00:24:48,300 Lucy Edwards: also because we were all teenagers was all getting changed 506 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:52,290 Lucy Edwards: into all these different outfits. It just feels like my 507 00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:56,429 Lucy Edwards: childhood around here, the happy moments, the moments where I 508 00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:58,920 Lucy Edwards: was trying to find myself and find my voice again. 509 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,800 Lucy Edwards: And I didn't have any moments where it's like I 510 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,899 Lucy Edwards: didn't feel accepted. I felt like we were all the 511 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:06,149 Lucy Edwards: kids that were kind of going through something at school 512 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:10,440 Lucy Edwards: and made a bit of a theater group. 513 00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:13,379 Alex Legouix: Yeah, I can really relate to that having gone to theatre school. 514 00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:14,730 Alex Legouix: Everyone came with a story. 515 00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:15,330 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. 516 00:25:20,490 --> 00:25:23,460 Alex Legouix: The next spot that we're going to be heading to 517 00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:25,560 Alex Legouix: is the Mailbox. 518 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:25,980 Lucy Edwards: Oh, cute. 519 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:30,600 Alex Legouix: But before we talk about that, your wedding, how did 520 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,980 Alex Legouix: yours compare to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex? Because 521 00:25:34,980 --> 00:25:37,020 Alex Legouix: you were a guest at that, weren't you? 522 00:25:37,109 --> 00:25:37,501 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, yeah. 523 00:25:37,501 --> 00:25:37,502 Alex Legouix: What? 524 00:25:37,502 --> 00:25:42,600 Lucy Edwards: I know it was a bit cray. I was one of several hundred 525 00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:47,430 Lucy Edwards: people from the UK that were nominated to sit on 526 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:50,850 Lucy Edwards: the lawn at Windsor Castle. The left lieutenant of the 527 00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:53,160 Lucy Edwards: West Midlands nominated me because I raised so much money 528 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,880 Lucy Edwards: for them on my marathon journey for Guide Dogs UK. So 529 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720 Lucy Edwards: yeah, it was so awesome. But I'm going to tell 530 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,869 Lucy Edwards: you a funny story. So we were with Miss Olga, 531 00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:07,649 Lucy Edwards: she was working at the time, and it was so 532 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:11,070 Lucy Edwards: hot and I remember having Olga's bowl, but then being 533 00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:13,800 Lucy Edwards: so delighted when we were greeted with this goody bag 534 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:18,420 Lucy Edwards: and in this goody bag there was royal shortbread and 535 00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:21,960 Lucy Edwards: royal... It was a big coin that actually I think 536 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,000 Lucy Edwards: my in- laws still have in the back of their fridge. They're never 537 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,950 Lucy Edwards: going to eat it 'cause it's like this royal big massive 538 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:26,429 Lucy Edwards: chocolate coin. 539 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:27,119 Alex Legouix: Wow. 540 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,290 Lucy Edwards: It's so cool. And then a royal bottle of water that had a 541 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:33,119 Lucy Edwards: stamp on the side. I mean all of this was 542 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,090 Lucy Edwards: just, as you can imagine, just shortbread, but with a 543 00:26:36,869 --> 00:26:40,440 Lucy Edwards: crest on the side and a magnet, which was really 544 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,970 Lucy Edwards: cool. Anyway, so we sit down. I had picnic blanket, 545 00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:47,669 Lucy Edwards: which was tartan, and I felt really cool and we 546 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:47,941 Lucy Edwards: had to sit like that. 547 00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:47,942 Alex Legouix: How very apt. 548 00:26:47,942 --> 00:26:53,970 Lucy Edwards: And I loved it 'cause outside we saw everyone 549 00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:58,679 Lucy Edwards: walk past us. So the Clooneys and the horses and the 550 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,649 Lucy Edwards: Royal Brigade and it was just so grand. It was 551 00:27:01,650 --> 00:27:03,810 Lucy Edwards: gorgeous. I was so proud to be British in that 552 00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:08,010 Lucy Edwards: moment. But the one thing about the day was me and 553 00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:11,220 Lucy Edwards: Ollie, we were sitting on the lawn and Olga was panting at 554 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:14,369 Lucy Edwards: this point. I was like, " Oh, give Olga some water. 555 00:27:14,670 --> 00:27:16,679 Lucy Edwards: Put it in her bowl. It's fine. We can just 556 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,975 Lucy Edwards: share one bottle. She can have the other one. So 557 00:27:18,975 --> 00:27:21,780 Lucy Edwards: we were drinking these bottles, we're cracking open the shortbread. 558 00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:25,140 Lucy Edwards: We had a gorgeous day. We sang the national anthem. 559 00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:29,879 Lucy Edwards: It was a beautiful day. Anyway, after we came home 560 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,210 Lucy Edwards: to our studio flat in London, we opened the laptop 561 00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:36,630 Lucy Edwards: and it said, " So many people are selling these bags." 562 00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:38,639 Lucy Edwards: And I'm like, " Why would you sell the bag," to the 563 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,480 Lucy Edwards: point where Ollie saw a video and a properly shot 564 00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:46,380 Lucy Edwards: photo of this bag on the lawn of Windsor Castle, 565 00:27:47,070 --> 00:27:49,590 Lucy Edwards: and they were selling them for like 50 grand on 566 00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:50,130 Lucy Edwards: E eBay. 567 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:51,631 Alex Legouix: No. 568 00:27:51,631 --> 00:27:54,330 Lucy Edwards: And I was like, " Oh my gosh. Number one, I would never 569 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:59,010 Lucy Edwards: do that. But number two, people were literally poised to 570 00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:02,609 Lucy Edwards: sell these bags. And I was like, " Olga, you're eating 571 00:28:02,609 --> 00:28:03,840 Lucy Edwards: like 50 grand shortbread." 572 00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:10,919 Alex Legouix: Makes me laugh. So there've been a few times throughout 573 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,640 Alex Legouix: this conversation where I will have mentioned how things look 574 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,240 Alex Legouix: and stuff, and I just wanted to have an open discussion, 575 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,790 Alex Legouix: I guess, with you about language and using certain words 576 00:28:23,790 --> 00:28:26,580 Alex Legouix: and phrases around people with a visual impairment. 577 00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:26,939 Lucy Edwards: I love that. 578 00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:28,320 Alex Legouix: So where to begin? 579 00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:31,260 Lucy Edwards: I love that you've asked that question. I think a 580 00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:33,720 Lucy Edwards: lot of people are so worried when they first come 581 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,530 Lucy Edwards: up to me and they go, " Oh, did you hear 582 00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:40,800 Lucy Edwards: that great TV show?" And I'm like, " No. I watched 583 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,430 Lucy Edwards: it." And I think for me, as someone who has 584 00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:48,120 Lucy Edwards: acquired a disability later on in life, even though I 585 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,490 Lucy Edwards: was only 17, I still grew up learning that vocabulary. 586 00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:56,730 Lucy Edwards: So when I watch something, yes, it may look different 587 00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:59,550 Lucy Edwards: to when you guys watch something, but because of the 588 00:28:59,550 --> 00:29:04,260 Lucy Edwards: advent of audio description, I still had that lovely experience where 589 00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:07,170 Lucy Edwards: I did watch it. My face was turned towards the 590 00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:10,680 Lucy Edwards: screen and even though I was using predominantly my ears 591 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,250 Lucy Edwards: to have that experience, I still use the term, " Watched," 592 00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:18,060 Lucy Edwards: because it's just how society... I don't want to be 593 00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:22,320 Lucy Edwards: that person who changes their vocab just because of being 594 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,050 Lucy Edwards: who I am. When I say this, I'm only one 595 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,170 Lucy Edwards: blind person and obviously I can't necessarily speak for a 596 00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:32,310 Lucy Edwards: whole community of people, but what I do know of, I 597 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:34,920 Lucy Edwards: have a lot of blind friends and they do say that, " 598 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,100 Lucy Edwards: Please don't change your vocab towards us because it's not 599 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:42,150 Lucy Edwards: something that is necessary." Even though we technically are hearing 600 00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:45,120 Lucy Edwards: things and not necessarily watching them, it just kind of 601 00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:49,290 Lucy Edwards: ostracizes us to use othering language, I guess. And thank you 602 00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:52,200 Lucy Edwards: so much for asking 'cause I think that's so important 'cause there's been 603 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,540 Lucy Edwards: times when I do go into different places and people 604 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:57,150 Lucy Edwards: are worried about talking to me, they just do default 605 00:29:57,150 --> 00:29:59,070 Lucy Edwards: to talking to Ollie as the sighted person. 606 00:29:59,070 --> 00:29:59,880 Alex Legouix: Right, I see. 607 00:29:59,940 --> 00:30:03,180 Lucy Edwards: And say to him, " What does she want?" And he's like, " 608 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:04,860 Lucy Edwards: Well, why don't you ask her?," and just looks at 609 00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:07,140 Lucy Edwards: me. And that's still today in 2024. 610 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:07,950 Alex Legouix: Wow, that's shocking. 611 00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:12,960 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, I think that's shocking in so many ways because I'm so independent. 612 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,761 Alex Legouix: And you describe yourself as blind, don't you? 613 00:30:17,761 --> 00:30:18,091 Lucy Edwards: Yes. 614 00:30:18,660 --> 00:30:20,160 Alex Legouix: But not everyone... 615 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:21,570 Lucy Edwards: No, not everyone does. 616 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:21,690 Alex Legouix: Would or does. 617 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:25,080 Lucy Edwards: Yes, not everyone does and I think there's a definite 618 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:30,540 Lucy Edwards: clear distinction because the whole of the blindness community is 619 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:33,750 Lucy Edwards: a massive spectrum. Blindness is a spectrum. Even when you're talking 620 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,580 Lucy Edwards: to a blind person, they might not be a total 621 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:38,400 Lucy Edwards: like me. I mean, I say in jest, " I'm a 622 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,070 Lucy Edwards: total." There's some people who are totally blind that might 623 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:43,680 Lucy Edwards: not even use that. We're all so different. It's just 624 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,690 Lucy Edwards: like any group of people that you put in one 625 00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:50,430 Lucy Edwards: room. Not everyone with blonde hair has the same story. 626 00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:55,560 Lucy Edwards: They've all rode on different transport and had different ways 627 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,400 Lucy Edwards: of ending up in that room that are so different. 628 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,370 Lucy Edwards: Even though they've all got one common trait about themselves 629 00:31:02,370 --> 00:31:05,160 Lucy Edwards: that possibly that they're all blonde, it doesn't mean that 630 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,860 Lucy Edwards: we're all kind of the same. So when we talk 631 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:11,280 Lucy Edwards: about blindness, we think, " Oh, they must be totally blind 632 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,790 Lucy Edwards: like me." I would say that I'm possibly the stereotype. 633 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:17,760 Lucy Edwards: You think blind, you think you can't see anything, black. 634 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,570 Lucy Edwards: That's how I describe my vision practically. Whereas there's people 635 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:24,180 Lucy Edwards: who are registered blind who can see six meters in 636 00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:28,290 Lucy Edwards: front of them. It's very blurry and they can't drive 637 00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:31,980 Lucy Edwards: a car and they can't necessarily read things up close, 638 00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:33,720 Lucy Edwards: but they might be able to see blurry blobs away 639 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,970 Lucy Edwards: from them, or they might be able to have a 640 00:31:35,970 --> 00:31:38,970 Lucy Edwards: different condition that they can see things really in front 641 00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:42,210 Lucy Edwards: of them with really zoomed- in magnification. And then there's 642 00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:45,870 Lucy Edwards: also the visually impaired community. So what I would say 643 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:50,940 Lucy Edwards: is, just ask. If you're unsure and you're not sure 644 00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:53,880 Lucy Edwards: how to help, I think the first question is, " How 645 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,850 Lucy Edwards: can I help you?," or, " Is it okay if you 646 00:31:56,850 --> 00:32:00,120 Lucy Edwards: describe your vision to me? Would that help the situation?," possibly. 647 00:32:00,330 --> 00:32:02,010 Lucy Edwards: Or if they're not comfy with that, they can say, " 648 00:32:02,010 --> 00:32:05,820 Lucy Edwards: Well, actually, Alex, I'm not that comfy with describing my 649 00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:08,040 Lucy Edwards: vision, but what I will say is this is how 650 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,770 Lucy Edwards: you can help me and X, Y or Z." I think 651 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,600 Lucy Edwards: we are so over different tropes and I think what's 652 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,360 Lucy Edwards: amazing is that we can have these conversations on such 653 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,120 Lucy Edwards: a big podcast. I can have such a big platform 654 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,610 Lucy Edwards: of two- point- eight million people and having a billion 655 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:27,570 Lucy Edwards: views online and also filming shows for the BBC to 656 00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:30,420 Lucy Edwards: show that, yeah, I do travel and I do have 657 00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:33,540 Lucy Edwards: a life and I do have a husband and a house 658 00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:36,360 Lucy Edwards: and a mortgage. Because I lost my eyesight, it doesn't 659 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,930 Lucy Edwards: mean that any of those things are not some things that 660 00:32:39,930 --> 00:32:42,720 Lucy Edwards: I want out of life. So it's interesting. 661 00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:45,240 Alex Legouix: The terminology could do with being updated. 662 00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:45,840 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. 663 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,690 Alex Legouix: 'Cause I feel across the board we sort of haven't 664 00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:51,450 Alex Legouix: adapted to or understood enough. 665 00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:54,780 Lucy Edwards: I totally hear you. And when we look at buildings, 666 00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:58,380 Lucy Edwards: they didn't need to be designed with steps in them 667 00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:00,990 Lucy Edwards: at all but we could have just designed the world 668 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:02,010 Lucy Edwards: with ramps. 669 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:02,610 Alex Legouix: Yes. 670 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:07,260 Lucy Edwards: Suddenly wheelchair users don't need to request for ramps or 671 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,719 Lucy Edwards: there needs to be this fight whether we can or 672 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,660 Lucy Edwards: cannot get into buildings. This is what I preach. This 673 00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:14,970 Lucy Edwards: is my whole consultancy business behind the scenes when I'm 674 00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:19,920 Lucy Edwards: not presenting. I am talking to brands about how universal 675 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:23,820 Lucy Edwards: design principles designed for any age, any gender, any sexual 676 00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:29,760 Lucy Edwards: orientation, any ability, any race. We are all humans. We are 677 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,250 Lucy Edwards: all big blobs on this massive planet that we are 678 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:35,400 Lucy Edwards: spinning around the sun. We all need to be seen 679 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,320 Lucy Edwards: and heard. And if you design a product from the 680 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,950 Lucy Edwards: ground up to say, " Maybe we should have everyone sitting 681 00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:45,660 Lucy Edwards: around this table of every different ability fighting to have 682 00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:49,560 Lucy Edwards: their lived experience heard," because that's what's so important. And 683 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,680 Lucy Edwards: I think the more we do that with any podcast 684 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,820 Lucy Edwards: or any production or any output that we see, we're 685 00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:59,610 Lucy Edwards: then going to see people that are representing the whole 686 00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:02,490 Lucy Edwards: of the population that look like us. And then we're 687 00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:05,670 Lucy Edwards: going to have little girls or little boys or little non- 688 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:08,759 Lucy Edwards: binary people looking at their tellies and going, " Oh, that 689 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,580 Lucy Edwards: is me, and I can aspire to be that thing that 690 00:34:11,969 --> 00:34:14,219 Lucy Edwards: I didn't think I could ever be because I've got 691 00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:18,630 Lucy Edwards: so much less self- confidence." So honestly, socially, we are 692 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,839 Lucy Edwards: starting to get there, like with me as the Pantene 693 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,509 Lucy Edwards: ambassador, we're seeing these portrayals of different abilities on our 694 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:29,640 Lucy Edwards: screen, but we're just not there yet. 695 00:34:29,910 --> 00:34:34,980 Alex Legouix: So you advise companies? Pantene, you mentioned, Apple. 696 00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:38,070 Lucy Edwards: Yes. Oh, my gosh. So when we think about a 697 00:34:38,070 --> 00:34:42,779 Lucy Edwards: product like Apple, it fits around you. When I first 698 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,630 Lucy Edwards: lost my eyesight, I could text back my friends. But 699 00:34:45,690 --> 00:34:49,140 Lucy Edwards: before that, blind people going blind in 2008, they didn't 700 00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:51,900 Lucy Edwards: have the ability to text their friends like I did. 701 00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:56,370 Lucy Edwards: I found so much solace and acceptance in just being 702 00:34:56,370 --> 00:35:00,450 Lucy Edwards: able to text people and having these products that truly 703 00:35:00,450 --> 00:35:04,710 Lucy Edwards: accept you and mold around you is amazing. And when 704 00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:09,239 Lucy Edwards: you say, " Other products," are there any? Not really. I 705 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,780 Lucy Edwards: hate that I have to say that in 2024. I still 706 00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:15,930 Lucy Edwards: open my makeup bag and every product feels the same. 707 00:35:15,989 --> 00:35:18,480 Lucy Edwards: My makeup artist was saying, " How do you know what 708 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,870 Lucy Edwards: product?" I learn. I have to spend hours labeling with 709 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:24,719 Lucy Edwards: Ollie what makeup is this and that and the other. And I have 710 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,610 Lucy Edwards: to get different brands and things to know what my 711 00:35:26,610 --> 00:35:31,080 Lucy Edwards: blusher is. Otherwise I'd put lipstick on as concealer. I've 712 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,270 Lucy Edwards: done that before. I've known to walk out the door 713 00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:37,020 Lucy Edwards: like having done conditioner first before shampoo. But now that 714 00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:39,359 Lucy Edwards: we have a few labels on things such as this 715 00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:42,270 Lucy Edwards: NaviLens code, where I can scan this code that is 716 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:45,660 Lucy Edwards: now printed onto Pantene packaging, I can scan it, I 717 00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:49,380 Lucy Edwards: can locate the bottle, I can actually know how much 718 00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:52,260 Lucy Edwards: it is and the ingredients in it and I burst 719 00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:56,310 Lucy Edwards: into tears. I physically was blubbering like a little baby. 720 00:35:56,550 --> 00:36:00,330 Lucy Edwards: Finally, being able to understand what a bottle was again, I'm 721 00:36:00,330 --> 00:36:04,890 Lucy Edwards: so happy to be the person to talk to about 722 00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:08,400 Lucy Edwards: these things because if I don't do that, then who 723 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,410 Lucy Edwards: is going to educate people? 724 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,520 Alex Legouix: Right now we're heading into the center of Birmingham, which 725 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,050 Alex Legouix: is where we will end up dropping you off. This 726 00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:22,411 Alex Legouix: is horrible traffic on the road. 727 00:36:22,411 --> 00:36:22,412 Lucy Edwards: I know. 728 00:36:22,412 --> 00:36:25,230 Alex Legouix: Can you picture where we are? 729 00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:28,980 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, we're in the Queensway, aren't we? So we'll come 730 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:33,300 Lucy Edwards: out on the Aston Expressway kind of area. My uncle actually 731 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:34,560 Lucy Edwards: got his tractor stuck here. 732 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:34,620 Alex Legouix: No. 733 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:39,029 Lucy Edwards: And he was in the news, like, " Guy on tractor stuck in the Queensway Tunnel." 734 00:36:44,489 --> 00:36:46,469 Alex Legouix: I know you're a very proud Brummie. 735 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:47,130 Lucy Edwards: I am. 736 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440 Alex Legouix: But tell us a little bit more about some of 737 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,010 Alex Legouix: the common issues that things like city centers pose for you. 738 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,450 Lucy Edwards: Yeah. City centers for me are so all over the 739 00:36:57,450 --> 00:37:02,130 Lucy Edwards: place. I think initially what comes to mind is trams. 740 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,589 Lucy Edwards: Their rails are often in pedestrianised areas, so you don't 741 00:37:07,590 --> 00:37:09,480 Lucy Edwards: know whether you're walking on the track or not. So 742 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,510 Lucy Edwards: that's really scary for me as a guide dog user. Is there a 743 00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:14,880 Lucy Edwards: way that we can get more tactile paving and more 744 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,040 Lucy Edwards: ways to differentiate in a tactile way, the demarcations of 745 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,030 Lucy Edwards: those things so we're not on the tracks? Also, just 746 00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:27,810 Lucy Edwards: not having those signposts. So not being able to just 747 00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:31,200 Lucy Edwards: scan with my phone where I am or what I'm 748 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,130 Lucy Edwards: doing. If I'm on Google Maps, I do often, in built- 749 00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:40,620 Lucy Edwards: up city center areas, lose my 3G signal. So Google 750 00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:44,129 Lucy Edwards: Maps is accessible and it's brilliant, but how is there 751 00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:47,340 Lucy Edwards: a reality where there is signage on actual real life 752 00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:50,550 Lucy Edwards: things that we're standing in front of. unlike everyone else, 753 00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:52,770 Lucy Edwards: I can't just see that there's Primark across the road, 754 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:55,529 Lucy Edwards: but I would be able to if there was a NaviLens code there. And 755 00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:59,730 Lucy Edwards: I think it's just about making things more accessible in 756 00:37:59,730 --> 00:38:00,540 Lucy Edwards: that way. 757 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,900 Alex Legouix: You've mentioned NaviLens a couple of times and I wondered 758 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,120 Alex Legouix: if you could just explain that to someone like me. 759 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:07,469 Alex Legouix: I don't know what that is. 760 00:38:07,469 --> 00:38:11,850 Lucy Edwards: Yeah, of course. So NaviLens is amazing. So traditional barcodes, they 761 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:16,529 Lucy Edwards: don't really help, only because I would scan that baked 762 00:38:16,530 --> 00:38:19,469 Lucy Edwards: bean tin so many times and not know where that 763 00:38:19,469 --> 00:38:23,070 Lucy Edwards: code was because obviously there's no tactile indication that a 764 00:38:23,070 --> 00:38:27,060 Lucy Edwards: normal barcode is there. With NaviLens, you don't have that 765 00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:30,450 Lucy Edwards: tactile indication, but the code is made up of these 766 00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:34,440 Lucy Edwards: little tiny geometric shapes. It can be picked up by 767 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,170 Lucy Edwards: your camera on your phone. It only has to be a 768 00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:40,620 Lucy Edwards: tiny pixel in your camera frame when you are pointing 769 00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:44,850 Lucy Edwards: the free downloadable app at that code. It's sensing it 770 00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:47,790 Lucy Edwards: all the time and it only has to see a tiny bit in the corner 771 00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:50,010 Lucy Edwards: and it will direct me to that code with 3D 772 00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:53,010 Lucy Edwards: audio. I will put my headphones on and it will 773 00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:54,779 Lucy Edwards: go left a bit, right a bit, up a bit, 774 00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:57,839 Lucy Edwards: forward a bit, and me and Miss Molly know exactly 775 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,290 Lucy Edwards: where to go. 776 00:38:58,620 --> 00:39:03,480 Alex Legouix: That is clever technology. So we're heading to BBC Birmingham, 777 00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:06,780 Alex Legouix: which is inside the Mailbox, which is where it all 778 00:39:06,810 --> 00:39:08,580 Alex Legouix: began for you, didn't it? 779 00:39:08,610 --> 00:39:11,550 Lucy Edwards: It's amazing. I love around here. This is one of 780 00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:13,500 Lucy Edwards: my favorite spots in center of town. 781 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,500 Alex Legouix: When did your ambition to work in the media come from? 782 00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:23,790 Lucy Edwards: So I started uploading YouTube videos back in 2014. I 783 00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:27,899 Lucy Edwards: said to my boyfriend, now husband, at the time, " Right, 784 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,250 Lucy Edwards: I would love to start making YouTube videos, but I don't know how to edit. 785 00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:34,319 Lucy Edwards: Can we do it together?" And he was like, " Yeah, 786 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,420 Lucy Edwards: of course." And back then when I turned on the 787 00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:38,640 Lucy Edwards: camera, they were some of the only happy moments I 788 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,870 Lucy Edwards: had and that became my portfolio, my YouTube channel. I 789 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:47,640 Lucy Edwards: had like 20, 000 subscribers. Someone posted my video on a 790 00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:50,489 Lucy Edwards: website called Tickled, which, I think it's just a kind 791 00:39:50,489 --> 00:39:53,160 Lucy Edwards: of different version of Reddit as far as I know. 792 00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:57,270 Lucy Edwards: And that basically formed the basis of me having a 793 00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:00,450 Lucy Edwards: bit of a platform and a portfolio online to the 794 00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:03,360 Lucy Edwards: point where I was like, " I want to do documentaries for a 795 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,330 Lucy Edwards: living. I would really love to explore this," and that's 796 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,160 Lucy Edwards: kind of how I started. That formed an application for 797 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,760 Lucy Edwards: me. I applied twice and didn't get in and the 798 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,660 Lucy Edwards: third time I did. 799 00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:16,770 Alex Legouix: All right, good For You. 800 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,290 Lucy Edwards: Meanwhile, I was doing my work experience here and I 801 00:40:22,290 --> 00:40:25,200 Lucy Edwards: remember it really vividly 'cause my sister came with me 802 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,410 Lucy Edwards: as my access worker, so she was guiding me around 803 00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:31,140 Lucy Edwards: for the day and I had Olga, and we went 804 00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:33,870 Lucy Edwards: out with this journalist who was ever such a nice 805 00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:37,830 Lucy Edwards: chap, and I remember we were filming this piece for 806 00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:42,630 Lucy Edwards: the six o'clock news and it was on this lovely 807 00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:47,070 Lucy Edwards: lady called Mimi Cesar. She was a gymnast and she 808 00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:50,969 Lucy Edwards: predominantly worked with batons with little lovely strings on the 809 00:40:50,969 --> 00:40:54,810 Lucy Edwards: end. So we were in this... I think it was somewhere in 810 00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:59,520 Lucy Edwards: town. Anyway, this place had a cat there, which initially 811 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,100 Lucy Edwards: Olga was like, " Oh my gosh, there's a cat." And 812 00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:05,130 Lucy Edwards: then the next thing about that whole scenario was Mimi 813 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:09,390 Lucy Edwards: and her batons... I was shadowing him doing a piece 814 00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:12,420 Lucy Edwards: to camera. She was throwing these batons. Olga, no joke, 815 00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:14,940 Lucy Edwards: she had a harness on. She was wanting to eat 816 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:18,030 Lucy Edwards: these batons and started barking. I was like, " Oh my 817 00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:22,110 Lucy Edwards: gosh, I'm so sorry." And I just thought, " This is so typical. 818 00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:24,629 Lucy Edwards: This work has reached it's place where it's just not 819 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:27,239 Lucy Edwards: going well." And the guy was laughing. He was so 820 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:27,870 Lucy Edwards: fine with it. 821 00:41:27,899 --> 00:41:28,230 Alex Legouix: Love it. 822 00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:31,739 Lucy Edwards: So I loved it. But I think that's when I 823 00:41:31,739 --> 00:41:33,480 Lucy Edwards: truly knew that I was going to be accepted at the 824 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,719 Lucy Edwards: BBC because he was just like, " No, it's honestly fine." 825 00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:37,230 Alex Legouix: That's just brilliant, isn't it? 826 00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:39,060 Lucy Edwards: It's just amazing. 827 00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:42,630 Alex Legouix: So what's on the agenda for you next, career wise? 828 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:44,460 Alex Legouix: Are you going to spend any more time with the 829 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:47,250 Alex Legouix: likes of Ryan Gosling? Oh, my word. 830 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,070 Lucy Edwards: Bless him, He was such a cutie pie. Yeah, that's when I was doing a 831 00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:53,130 Lucy Edwards: press junket. I was hosting a Netflix premiere. It was 832 00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:56,700 Lucy Edwards: actually the first ever premiere that was audio described by Netflix, 833 00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,969 Lucy Edwards: which was really cool. It was The Gray Man premiere. 834 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,930 Lucy Edwards: So I decided just like with everyone really, I'll ask 835 00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:08,219 Lucy Edwards: you to audio describe your outfit. I asked Ryan, so he was giving 836 00:42:08,219 --> 00:42:11,129 Lucy Edwards: it large, which I like. He's audio describing himself 'cause 837 00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:13,260 Lucy Edwards: I think the Barbie movie was about to come out 838 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:16,170 Lucy Edwards: back then, or he was in filming for it. So 839 00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:19,230 Lucy Edwards: he was describing himself and he was complimenting my dress, 840 00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:21,480 Lucy Edwards: bless him, and he gave me a couple of extra 841 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,030 Lucy Edwards: questions 'cause obviously you only get one question on the 842 00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:26,370 Lucy Edwards: press junket line, and I didn't really have anything else 843 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:30,870 Lucy Edwards: prepared 'cause the girl was like, " Make sure he moves on quickly. Make sure." I was like, "Oh, okay, okay." 844 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,070 Lucy Edwards: And he stayed and he was like, "I love your dress," and this that. I was like, " Cheers, babes." 845 00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:37,230 Lucy Edwards: And I think that was the first time that a 846 00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:40,319 Lucy Edwards: celebrity had ever done anything like that, like audio described 847 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,260 Lucy Edwards: anything about their appearance on a red carpet, which I 848 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:46,799 Lucy Edwards: thought was awesome. I honestly think audio description is the 849 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,280 Lucy Edwards: gift that keeps on giving. It really is. And I'm 850 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,190 Lucy Edwards: so lucky to have a whole portfolio online that I 851 00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:55,529 Lucy Edwards: have created my personal brand. I think that was why 852 00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:58,260 Lucy Edwards: I wanted to start TikTok really in the first place 853 00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:00,840 Lucy Edwards: that I had all of these little notes on my phone 854 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,030 Lucy Edwards: about all the headlines that I wanted and all of the 855 00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:05,730 Lucy Edwards: ways that I could educate the world on blindness that 856 00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:08,940 Lucy Edwards: I hadn't done already, because we were in the pandemic 857 00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:10,380 Lucy Edwards: and I was like, " Right, I want to create my 858 00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:13,440 Lucy Edwards: personal brand. I want documentaries commissioned one day. How can 859 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,069 Lucy Edwards: I show commissioners that I am a good presenter? I'm 860 00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:19,680 Lucy Edwards: going to go on TikTok." And then it's kind of spiraled 861 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,350 Lucy Edwards: from there and I've presented two documentaries that have both 862 00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:23,879 Lucy Edwards: won RTS awards, which I can't... 863 00:43:23,879 --> 00:43:23,880 Alex Legouix: Incredible. 864 00:43:23,879 --> 00:43:28,500 Lucy Edwards: And I've just won the Breakthrough Presenter Award at the 865 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,190 Lucy Edwards: Royal Television Society for my documentary on Japan, and I'm 866 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:36,630 Lucy Edwards: so excited. I love documentary making. It is my passion, and 867 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,569 Lucy Edwards: I'm just hoping to kind of forge my path in 868 00:43:39,570 --> 00:43:42,330 Lucy Edwards: kind of long- form documentary making, and that's what I'm 869 00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:45,330 Lucy Edwards: trying to do now. So yeah, really excited for the 870 00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:47,940 Lucy Edwards: future. I'm so lucky to do what I do. 871 00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:55,800 Alex Legouix: So, well now you are off on a date with Ollie. 872 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,500 Lucy Edwards: Oh, yeah. I'm off on a date. Going to Elio. 873 00:43:58,650 --> 00:44:02,130 Alex Legouix: Elio, which is a Lebanese cafe very close to the 874 00:44:02,130 --> 00:44:04,410 Alex Legouix: BBC. What's so special about that? 875 00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:08,190 Lucy Edwards: The Elio Cafe was those times when I came out 876 00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:14,040 Lucy Edwards: of that building, often having had an interview or having 877 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,770 Lucy Edwards: met a commissioner for the first time or had a 878 00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:20,280 Lucy Edwards: training course that I was really excited about and all 879 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,530 Lucy Edwards: of those key moments I can remember just going back 880 00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:26,069 Lucy Edwards: to that cafe and having that exact Lebanese dish with 881 00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:29,190 Lucy Edwards: flatbread. It's still there on the menu to this day. 882 00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:32,730 Lucy Edwards: It's got this special sauce on it and there's falafel 883 00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:35,489 Lucy Edwards: bits in it, and I just love having it. It's my 884 00:44:35,489 --> 00:44:39,690 Lucy Edwards: comfort food after any major bit of voiceover. I voice- 885 00:44:39,989 --> 00:44:42,510 Lucy Edwards: overed Kenya in there when I went to Kenya for the 886 00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:45,600 Lucy Edwards: travel show. Any BBC travel show bit. So yeah, it's 887 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,460 Lucy Edwards: my home. I can't believe it's moving. 888 00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:48,751 Alex Legouix: Oh, no. 889 00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:51,870 Lucy Edwards: I know it's moving just up the road, but there's a 890 00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:54,030 Lucy Edwards: big home for it here in Birmingham, yeah. 891 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,290 Alex Legouix: It's been such a pleasure to talk to you. You have 892 00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,820 Alex Legouix: really inspired me. 893 00:44:59,850 --> 00:45:02,640 Lucy Edwards: Thank you, Al. I really appreciate it. It's been so 894 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,430 Lucy Edwards: lovely being driven around my hometown by you and your 895 00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:08,940 Lucy Edwards: lovely car. It is so cool. And you've given me the space 896 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:12,390 Lucy Edwards: to just be myself and talk about things that are really 897 00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:14,731 Lucy Edwards: important. Thank you so much. 898 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:17,489 Alex Legouix: So awesome. Thank you. And have an amazing date with your amazing man. 899 00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:21,030 Lucy Edwards: Thank you. 900 00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:22,140 Alex Legouix: And he's at your door. 901 00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:23,219 Lucy Edwards: Hello, honey. 902 00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:24,450 Ollie Cave: Hey. 903 00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:25,290 Lucy Edwards: You going to get Miss Molls out? 904 00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:25,620 Ollie Cave: Yes. 905 00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:27,870 Lucy Edwards: Good girl. She's been so good. 906 00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:29,041 Alex Legouix: She was so chilled, isn't she? 907 00:45:29,041 --> 00:45:32,850 Lucy Edwards: I know. So lovely, Al. Thank you so much. 908 00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:33,451 Alex Legouix: My pleasure. 909 00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:34,890 Lucy Edwards: There you go, honey. 910 00:45:35,850 --> 00:45:36,330 Alex Legouix: Goodbye. 911 00:45:36,330 --> 00:45:36,690 Lucy Edwards: Bye. 912 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:45,060 Alex Legouix: Well, that was just so inspiring. Lucy has achieved and 913 00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:48,540 Alex Legouix: overcome so much to get to where she is today, and 914 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,350 Alex Legouix: she's clearly nowhere near done yet. 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In our next episode, we'll have a former I'm 935 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,840 Alex Legouix: a Celebrity winner in the passenger seat, showing us her 936 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,210 Alex Legouix: inspiring places as the conversation flings around from McFly to 937 00:47:09,210 --> 00:47:11,819 Alex Legouix: motherhood to recording with royalty. 938 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,060 Giovanna Fletcher: Oh, coming out here, actually I can remember kissing my 939 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,060 Giovanna Fletcher: best friend's boyfriend at the time. We kissed around there. 940 00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:20,130 Giovanna Fletcher: It was all orchestrated by her- 941 00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:20,671 Alex Legouix: What? 942 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,489 Giovanna Fletcher: ... because I couldn't go to senior school without having 943 00:47:23,489 --> 00:47:26,370 Giovanna Fletcher: kissed a boy, so that actually happened. 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