1 00:00:32,580 --> 00:00:35,500 KT: August 11th 2022 2 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:38,860 Suze: You don't even wait anymore for me to start 3 00:00:38,870 --> 00:00:42,729 KT: Hi everybody. This is KT and this is the Ask Suze, 4 00:00:42,729 --> 00:00:46,739 KT: this is the KT will ask Suze for you anything 5 00:00:46,750 --> 00:00:50,690 KT: podcast And I'm in a great mood today because today 6 00:00:50,690 --> 00:00:52,930 KT: is Colo's birthday 7 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:55,110 Suze: How old is he today? 44? 8 00:00:55,110 --> 00:00:57,120 KT: No, 42 9 00:00:59,370 --> 00:01:01,440 Suze: No, he is going to be 43. I told you 10 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Suze: I just looked it up. He's 11 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,810 Suze: going to be he is today 43. You just don't 12 00:01:07,810 --> 00:01:09,459 Suze: want him to grow up on you. 13 00:01:09,459 --> 00:01:13,559 KT: Oh right he was born in '79. And then Travis was born in 1997. 14 00:01:14,069 --> 00:01:15,950 Suze: Well, we're not getting into Travis now. 15 00:01:15,950 --> 00:01:19,360 KT: No, 7-9-9-7 is for me to remember Colo's birthday. 16 00:01:19,370 --> 00:01:22,789 Suze: Travis just for all of you to know right is 17 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,340 Suze: her favorite 18 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:27,670 KT: Angel nephew. You know there's a story behind it, which 19 00:01:27,670 --> 00:01:30,760 KT: I'll share some day, but not today. But anyways, my 20 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,440 KT: angel nephew talking about . We have so many presents 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,240 KT: for him, but he can't have them yet. 22 00:01:39,459 --> 00:01:43,560 Suze: Yes, but after we do the only one that we 23 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,380 Suze: buy presents for, 24 00:01:45,390 --> 00:01:48,840 KT: well we buy him things that he needs like 25 00:01:49,010 --> 00:01:52,210 Suze: shoes, sneakers 26 00:01:52,220 --> 00:01:53,430 KT: shorts because he 27 00:01:53,430 --> 00:01:55,510 Suze: cuts his shorts with the knife that he carries in 28 00:01:55,510 --> 00:01:56,890 Suze: his pockets. I 29 00:01:56,890 --> 00:02:03,080 KT: bought him a huge package of disposable razors, uses 30 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,480 Suze: I thought you were going to say disposable diapers and he's not that 31 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,750 Suze: old. Oh no, no. He doesn't need that 32 00:02:07,970 --> 00:02:11,700 KT: Disposable razors he wanted, I don't know why he used 33 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:14,040 KT: to shave with a straight edge and I think it 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,240 KT: takes a really long time and he probably, maybe he's 35 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,620 KT: finding it just too time consuming. Okay. Today is a complicated... 36 00:02:23,590 --> 00:02:26,180 Suze: Wait a second. So we asked him, what do you 37 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:27,560 Suze: want for dinner tonight 38 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:29,660 Suze: and you know what he said? We said we'll make 39 00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:29,790 Suze: you 40 00:02:29,790 --> 00:02:31,940 KT: anything. I thought he was going to say a big 41 00:02:31,940 --> 00:02:34,579 KT: rib eye steak because he's the only steak eater now 42 00:02:34,580 --> 00:02:36,130 KT: in the family. Meat eater. 43 00:02:36,130 --> 00:02:39,250 Suze: Meat eater and guess what he asked for, he only 44 00:02:39,250 --> 00:02:41,000 Suze: wants one thing 45 00:02:41,610 --> 00:02:46,610 KT: pepperoni pizza 46 00:02:47,169 --> 00:02:49,870 KT: and I don't eat, I don't eat pizza nor does 47 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:53,200 KT: Suze anymore because it's gluten and we don't eat pepperoni. 48 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:55,580 Suze: No, I don't eat pepperoni but I don't eat any, 49 00:02:55,630 --> 00:02:56,019 Suze: have a 50 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:58,040 KT: bite of that pizza but without the pepperoni 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,269 Suze: I will want to have a bite of that pizza, 52 00:03:00,270 --> 00:03:02,210 Suze: but I don't eat any dairy. 53 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:05,940 KT: Suze's really gotten boring but we still love her and 54 00:03:05,940 --> 00:03:09,700 KT: now she's going to start one of the most complicated 55 00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:11,520 KT: topics of them all. 56 00:03:11,530 --> 00:03:14,830 Suze: KT, this is perfect for you. 57 00:03:14,855 --> 00:03:17,035 KT: Do not make a quizzie today 58 00:03:17,044 --> 00:03:22,385 Suze: you have a quizzie because this is on inherited. I 59 00:03:22,395 --> 00:03:23,264 Suze: R As 60 00:03:23,435 --> 00:03:26,045 KT: more complicated than like Roth. 61 00:03:26,055 --> 00:03:27,475 Suze: I have to tell you it is 62 00:03:27,755 --> 00:03:30,985 KT: then what am I doing? I'm just going to ask questions. 63 00:03:32,665 --> 00:03:33,475 Suze: That's crazy. What else do you do 64 00:03:33,485 --> 00:03:35,895 KT: know quizzies Let me... 65 00:03:36,245 --> 00:03:39,065 Suze: what does that mean? You're only going to ask questions. What 66 00:03:39,075 --> 00:03:40,515 Suze: else do you do? Give 67 00:03:40,515 --> 00:03:41,464 KT: advice 68 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,720 KT: when you get a little slow? I step it up, 69 00:03:45,730 --> 00:03:47,370 KT: step it up with some advice. You 70 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:49,850 Suze: are just as feisty as could be this morning. How 71 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:50,770 Suze: come 72 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:53,280 KT: I'm telling you? I need another cup of coffee. Okay 73 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,240 KT: let's do it. 74 00:03:54,510 --> 00:03:57,750 Suze: She just got another haircut by the way a little 75 00:03:57,750 --> 00:04:01,430 Suze: bit ago. It's real cute and your head 76 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,230 KT: it's because he puts product in and I didn't wash 77 00:04:04,230 --> 00:04:07,380 KT: it out yet but it's very short but it'll last 78 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:10,220 KT: me until probably Labor Day weekend 79 00:04:10,230 --> 00:04:14,460 Suze: which is in two weeks. Anyway. So before we begin I 80 00:04:14,460 --> 00:04:14,870 Suze: just want 81 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,240 Suze: Everybody to know this podcast is mainly for people who 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,620 Suze: have inherited an IRA from the year 2020 and on 83 00:04:24,630 --> 00:04:27,030 Suze: if you did it before then you don't have to 84 00:04:27,029 --> 00:04:29,510 Suze: worry about it. The old rules are still 85 00:04:30,540 --> 00:04:33,190 KT: you can it doesn't apply to you 86 00:04:33,750 --> 00:04:35,240 Suze: and you should feel lucky that it, 87 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,400 KT: yeah it's complicated but we're going to make it as 88 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:42,900 KT: easy to understand as possible. That's why I'm here. That's 89 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:43,049 KT: why 90 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:45,339 Suze: easy. That's 91 00:04:45,339 --> 00:04:47,229 KT: why I'm here. I'm going to keep Suze on the 92 00:04:47,230 --> 00:04:49,490 KT: straight and narrow and not let her 93 00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:52,630 Suze: get don't get 94 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:55,070 KT: okay. Are we 95 00:04:55,070 --> 00:04:55,620 Suze: ready, 96 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,779 KT: Suze? Here's the first question. If a spouse inherits a 97 00:04:59,779 --> 00:05:05,909 KT: traditional IRA or 401k. Is it advisable to keep that 98 00:05:05,910 --> 00:05:09,910 KT: money separate from their own or is it best to 99 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:15,140 KT: combine with their own traditional IRA or 401 K. So 100 00:05:15,140 --> 00:05:18,339 KT: there is just one of that type of account. 101 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:20,690 Suze: What would you tell them, KT? 102 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:23,310 KT: No I can't do that. 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,210 Suze: Why not? 104 00:05:24,220 --> 00:05:27,219 KT: Because I think that it's different. Yours is yours and 105 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:28,589 KT: you inherited this? 106 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:32,529 Suze: Never mind. Let me just answer it for everybody. All right. 107 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:36,170 Suze: Because when I did do the inherited retirement accounts, I 108 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:40,520 Suze: really didn't address spouses in detail. KT. I'd like you 109 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,330 Suze: to give me a little bit of time 110 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:47,850 Suze: to really tell them what they need to know. Okay, 111 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:52,640 Suze: so this isn't a fast podcast. This is a detailed 112 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Suze: podcast today. Are you willing to let me do that 113 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,860 KT: go for it? Yes, of course. I want you to 114 00:05:57,860 --> 00:05:58,210 KT: tell 115 00:05:58,225 --> 00:06:02,125 KT: everyone what they need to know and not anything else 116 00:06:02,135 --> 00:06:03,885 KT: and not a minute more. 117 00:06:03,895 --> 00:06:08,055 Suze: Alright, so if you are a spouse and you inherited 118 00:06:08,065 --> 00:06:12,895 Suze: a traditional retirement account meaning that taxes have never been 119 00:06:12,895 --> 00:06:17,845 Suze: paid on it, you actually have three choices. 120 00:06:18,460 --> 00:06:22,789 Suze: The first choice is that you could remain a beneficiary 121 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,910 Suze: of the I. R. A. That you inherited. Which means 122 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,420 Suze: you just leave everything as it is and you have 123 00:06:30,420 --> 00:06:34,560 Suze: what is known as a beneficiary IRA. Now the question 124 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:36,940 Suze: is why would you do this? 125 00:06:37,940 --> 00:06:44,270 Suze: Because required minimum distributions will be based on the age 126 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,839 Suze: of your deceased spouse. So let's just say your deceased 127 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,430 Suze: spouse was younger than you. 128 00:06:50,020 --> 00:06:53,739 Suze: They were maybe 65 when they died and you're actually 129 00:06:53,779 --> 00:06:56,310 Suze: 70 or 72 or even older. 130 00:06:56,990 --> 00:07:02,779 Suze: If you did this were you remained as a beneficiary? I. R. A. 131 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:06,220 Suze: Then the RMDs from this account would be based on 132 00:07:06,220 --> 00:07:09,880 Suze: your deceased spouse's age and you could if you wanted 133 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,640 Suze: to wait till they would have turned 72 you wouldn't 134 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:18,090 Suze: have to withdraw money from this at all till then. 135 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,630 Suze: Did that make sense KT? 136 00:07:20,260 --> 00:07:21,270 KT: The second choice? 137 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:24,990 Suze: No it's not the second choice. The next question KT 138 00:07:24,990 --> 00:07:26,610 Suze: you would want to ask 139 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:30,050 Suze: would be why would you not want to do this 140 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:34,110 Suze: first choice where you remain a beneficiary of the IRA. 141 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:39,960 Suze: Listen closely if your spouse was older than you then 142 00:07:39,970 --> 00:07:42,960 Suze: they let's say they were already 72 or older and 143 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,150 Suze: they're already taking R. M. D. S. Which are what KT? 144 00:07:46,540 --> 00:07:48,260 KT: required minimum distribution. 145 00:07:48,260 --> 00:07:51,640 Suze: Right? And let's just say you were 65 and you 146 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,850 Suze: don't want 147 00:07:53,070 --> 00:07:56,290 Suze: you don't want to have to take RMDs . Then 148 00:07:56,290 --> 00:07:59,420 Suze: you would have to continue to take RMDs based on 149 00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:02,990 Suze: their life expectancy. So let's say you didn't need the 150 00:08:02,990 --> 00:08:05,570 Suze: money or you didn't want to take it right now. 151 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:10,030 Suze: You wouldn't want to do a beneficiary I. R. A. 152 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:13,760 Suze: Now the second choice you have is to become the 153 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:17,570 Suze: owner of the I. R. A. And this is something 154 00:08:17,570 --> 00:08:19,530 Suze: that only spouses can do. 155 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Suze: Now why would you want to do this? Because future 156 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:28,500 Suze: RMDs will be based on your life expectancy and you 157 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:32,530 Suze: won't have to begin them until you're 72. So let's 158 00:08:32,530 --> 00:08:35,620 Suze: say you're younger than your deceased spouse. And 159 00:08:35,630 --> 00:08:37,640 Suze: and you don't need the income and you want to 160 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,080 Suze: postpone taking money out of the I. R. A. As 161 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,090 Suze: long as possible which would be at the age of 162 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:47,579 Suze: when you turn 72 then you would want to become 163 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:52,429 Suze: the owner of the I. R. A. Why would you 164 00:08:52,429 --> 00:08:56,959 Suze: not want to do this simply because you are younger 165 00:08:56,970 --> 00:09:01,830 Suze: than 59 a half and you want to take money 166 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,030 Suze: out of the ira to live on. 167 00:09:04,390 --> 00:09:07,840 Suze: So if you do this and you take money out 168 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:11,320 Suze: you'll have to pay ordinary income tax on it but 169 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,710 Suze: you won't have to pay a 10% penalty tax. So 170 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,160 Suze: all of you might want to listen to that again 171 00:09:18,170 --> 00:09:22,960 Suze: to make sure you understand the difference. Third. You can 172 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,839 Suze: roll over the inherited IRA into an existing IRA. 173 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:33,250 Suze: So now why would you do this because you're over 174 00:09:33,250 --> 00:09:36,720 Suze: 59 a half you have an IRA in your name 175 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,630 Suze: that you like and you just want everything in one 176 00:09:39,630 --> 00:09:43,189 Suze: place and why would you not want to do this 177 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,260 Suze: for if you are younger than 59 a half you 178 00:09:47,260 --> 00:09:51,819 Suze: will pay a 10% penalty tax and ordinary income tax 179 00:09:51,830 --> 00:09:55,300 Suze: If you need to access this money before you turn 180 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:56,880 Suze: 59 a half. 181 00:09:57,030 --> 00:10:00,000 Suze: So that's really actually all they need to know. But 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,530 Suze: those are the three different ways and you should all 183 00:10:03,530 --> 00:10:05,450 Suze: make sure you understand the difference 184 00:10:05,450 --> 00:10:07,470 KT: Which one do you like the most? 185 00:10:07,580 --> 00:10:10,950 Suze: It depends KT on the age of the person, the 186 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,150 Suze: age of the spouse that died. Do they have income 187 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:16,730 Suze: needs do they not? So they need to know the 188 00:10:16,730 --> 00:10:20,360 Suze: spouse needs to know the difference between those three? 189 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,520 KT: Okay, the next one. Next question is Suze. Thanks for 190 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,950 KT: the great info. 191 00:10:28,090 --> 00:10:35,250 KT: I'm wondering if there's any difference in the mandatory withdrawal 192 00:10:35,250 --> 00:10:39,790 KT: rules if a trust was the beneficiary, what do you think? 193 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,380 Suze: This isn't funny this topic? Why are you making me laugh? 194 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:49,300 KT: I don't know. But your eyes are running you're laughing. 195 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:54,360 KT: Can you wipe your eyes? She's laughing at me, trying 196 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,189 KT: to get a cup of coffee. 197 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:58,699 Suze: Serious topic of inherited 198 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,780 Suze: ira's. Anyway, KT, this is also a little bit of 199 00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:04,579 Suze: a long answer but it's 200 00:11:04,580 --> 00:11:10,140 KT: a good question. Are the mandatory withdrawal ineffective and trust 201 00:11:10,140 --> 00:11:13,420 KT: is the beneficiary? I heard that. Okay, go for 202 00:11:13,420 --> 00:11:14,640 Suze: it. All right now. 203 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,350 Suze: So the answer to that question is that in many 204 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:23,530 Suze: cases a trust has to withdraw everything in at least 205 00:11:23,530 --> 00:11:27,569 Suze: five years. You don't usually have the 10 years that 206 00:11:27,570 --> 00:11:29,829 Suze: you have to take. That you have to take it out. 207 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:35,940 Suze: Even if you're taking required minimum distributions. However, the trust 208 00:11:35,940 --> 00:11:39,310 Suze: really has to be set up correctly. It has to 209 00:11:39,309 --> 00:11:41,940 Suze: be what's known as something called like a see through 210 00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:44,510 Suze: trust or a look through trust. 211 00:11:44,730 --> 00:11:48,070 Suze: Right? And a copy of the trust must be provided 212 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,660 Suze: to the trust administrator no later than October 31 following 213 00:11:52,660 --> 00:11:54,780 Suze: the death of the owner and I can go on 214 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:57,500 Suze: and on. Then it goes into a conduit trust or 215 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:01,300 Suze: an accumulation trust. So here's the bottom line everybody if 216 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:02,760 Suze: you are going to leave 217 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,780 Suze: a trust as your beneficiary, you better check with an 218 00:12:06,780 --> 00:12:10,590 Suze: estate lawyer that the trust is set up exactly the 219 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:14,579 Suze: way it needs to be so that it can go 220 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:21,079 Suze: on for 10 years rather than just five years 221 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:22,820 KT: is mine like that. 222 00:12:23,690 --> 00:12:26,340 Suze: We don't have a trust as our beneficiary. 223 00:12:28,380 --> 00:12:30,750 Suze: I hate to tell you I'm your beneficiary 224 00:12:30,940 --> 00:12:34,319 KT: but I have a trust isn't my IRA in my trust. 225 00:12:34,330 --> 00:12:36,100 KT: No it's not. 226 00:12:36,110 --> 00:12:40,090 Suze: No. You know the answer to this question, You cannot 227 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:43,310 Suze: own an I. R. A. In a trust because why? 228 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,309 Suze: What does IRA stands for? 229 00:12:46,130 --> 00:12:49,050 KT: Individual Retirement Account 230 00:12:49,050 --> 00:12:50,070 Suze: Shake your head. 231 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:53,900 KT: Alright okay. Next question 232 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,740 KT: I'm 64 I just inherited an I. R. A. Can 233 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:01,760 KT: it be donated... I like this question. Can it be donated 234 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:07,230 KT: to charity to avoid paying taxes? And will that qualify 235 00:13:07,230 --> 00:13:08,839 KT: for an R. M. D. 236 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:12,090 Suze: Well K. T. I think in this situation 237 00:13:12,270 --> 00:13:15,600 Suze: I think what this person is talking about is something 238 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,829 Suze: known as a qualified charitable distribution. I don't think this 239 00:13:19,830 --> 00:13:24,300 Suze: person means they want to give the entire inherited IRA 240 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:28,460 Suze: to charity because they asked about the R. M. D. 241 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:31,359 Suze: So that means they probably just wanted to give a 242 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,100 Suze: specific amount of money in one year to offset the 243 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:38,489 Suze: taxes of the R. M. D. 244 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:45,630 Suze: Now a qualified charitable distribution which is known as a Q. C. D. 245 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:51,310 Suze: Is this this is where if you are at least 246 00:13:51,550 --> 00:13:57,330 Suze: 70.5 years of age you can then give some of 247 00:13:57,330 --> 00:14:00,900 Suze: the money up to a maximum of $100,000 a year 248 00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:05,650 Suze: as a charitable deduction. So to some charity. Okay 249 00:14:05,809 --> 00:14:10,900 Suze: so you can do that. Will it also qualify for 250 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:14,990 Suze: the R. M. D. Yep. It will, but you just 251 00:14:14,990 --> 00:14:17,620 Suze: need to know you have to be 70.5 years of 252 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:21,290 Suze: age or older to do this. And the maximum you 253 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:27,460 Suze: can do per year is $100,000. Next one. KT: 254 00:14:27,470 --> 00:14:29,090 KT: can I move an 255 00:14:29,296 --> 00:14:34,556 KT: inherited Roth IRA from my mom into my own Roth ira. 256 00:14:34,556 --> 00:14:36,835 Suze: No you cannot. Next question. KT 257 00:14:36,836 --> 00:14:41,056 KT: I inherited a Roth IRA. Do I have to take 258 00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:45,746 KT: RMD s like a traditional IRA under the Secure Act? 259 00:14:46,316 --> 00:14:49,716 Suze: No you don't. However you do have to wipe it 260 00:14:49,716 --> 00:14:52,756 Suze: clean within 10 years. So most 261 00:14:52,782 --> 00:14:56,372 Suze: people who have a Roth IRA that they've inherited because 262 00:14:56,372 --> 00:14:58,892 Suze: when they take it out it's tax free to them, 263 00:14:58,912 --> 00:15:02,162 Suze: they usually leave it in there as long as possible. 264 00:15:02,172 --> 00:15:06,642 Suze: Remember Roth Iras do not have RMDs . So you 265 00:15:06,642 --> 00:15:10,752 Suze: get out of them. Even when it's an inherited I. R. A. 266 00:15:10,762 --> 00:15:12,952 KT: That's another good reason for the ROTH 267 00:15:12,952 --> 00:15:16,270 Suze: my God there's so many good reasons for your ROTH baby. 268 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,070 KT: So Suze. This next question is is an interesting one. 269 00:15:20,070 --> 00:15:24,560 KT: My wife is the beneficiary of a traditional IRA owned 270 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,640 KT: by her sister who died this year. Did I hear 271 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,440 KT: you say that because my wife is not more than 272 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,100 KT: 10 years younger than her deceased sister that she does 273 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:38,810 KT: not have to take it out in 10 years. 274 00:15:39,270 --> 00:15:40,470 Suze: What do you think KT ? 275 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,780 KT: Yeah you did say that and it's true 276 00:15:43,790 --> 00:15:48,970 Suze: That's my girl. So KT and everybody else... besides a 277 00:15:48,970 --> 00:15:55,120 Suze: spouse having special privileges. There's something known as eligible designated 278 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Suze: beneficiaries or what's called E. G. B. S. 279 00:15:59,170 --> 00:16:04,130 Suze: So let's just say that you have a minor child 280 00:16:04,140 --> 00:16:08,160 Suze: or a beneficiary that is no more than 10 years 281 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,910 Suze: younger than the person who left them. The I. R. A. 282 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,470 Suze: Or the beneficiary is either chronically ill or disabled. They 283 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:21,670 Suze: get to follow the rules prior to 2020 so they 284 00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:25,080 Suze: can stretch it out over their lifetime. However 285 00:16:25,690 --> 00:16:28,850 Suze: you have to know this. Everybody if you have a 286 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:32,960 Suze: minor child it's got to be your child. It can't 287 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:36,920 Suze: be a grandchild. So this will only apply to the 288 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,340 Suze: deceased IRA owner's children if they are the beneficiaries 289 00:16:42,010 --> 00:17:04,810 Suze: of the I. R. A. Okay go on. 290 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:11,169 KT: So this next question I do not have any traditional IRAs. 291 00:17:11,180 --> 00:17:14,699 KT: I do a backdoor Roth every year. However I just 292 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:20,070 KT: inherited a traditional IRA will this count towards the pro rata rule? 293 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:24,010 Suze: No it will not. Alright. And for those 294 00:17:24,020 --> 00:17:26,340 Suze: of you who don't know what the pro rata rule 295 00:17:26,350 --> 00:17:31,590 Suze: is radar. Alright. Who don't know what that is. Listen 296 00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:34,490 Suze: to a past podcast that if you're ever thinking about 297 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:38,040 Suze: doing a backdoor Roth ira you better know about the 298 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,879 Suze: pro rata rule. Okay go on. 299 00:17:40,619 --> 00:17:43,470 KT: So Suze, the next question is from R. J. I 300 00:17:43,470 --> 00:17:46,610 KT: thought that if the deceased person had not yet taken 301 00:17:46,609 --> 00:17:49,180 KT: an R. M. D. If they were less than 72 302 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:53,020 KT: years old, the person who inherited the I. R. A. 303 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,900 KT: Does not need to take an RMD each year but 304 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:58,620 KT: needs to empty the account 305 00:17:59,230 --> 00:18:02,060 KT: In 10 years. Is that correct? 306 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:05,179 Suze: That is correct. RJ, You did good. 307 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:08,419 KT: However if the deceased persons 308 00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:11,240 Suze: Is this still from R. J. Again. Yeah. 309 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,840 KT: Yeah he keeps going ready. Part two of R. J. 310 00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:22,080 KT: However if the deceased person started taking an RMD 311 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:26,590 KT: the person who inherited the Ira must also take an 312 00:18:26,590 --> 00:18:30,669 KT: RMD each year assuming based on the life expectancy of 313 00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:34,689 KT: the person who inherited the Ira. Am I correct? 314 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:41,180 Suze: Yes that's also correct. RJ. However it's only correct if 315 00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:42,190 Suze: the interpretation 316 00:18:42,410 --> 00:18:48,220 Suze: of the secure act from February 2022 this year holds 317 00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:51,580 Suze: if they change it by the end of this year 318 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:55,149 Suze: then that might not be correct. So everybody let's wait 319 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Suze: till the end of this year to see really how 320 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,310 Suze: inherited I. R. A's work? Next question. 321 00:19:03,310 --> 00:19:07,220 KT: So I'm a little confused. He keeps talking about life expectancy. 322 00:19:07,820 --> 00:19:08,310 Suze: So 323 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,090 KT: Who knows how long we're going to live? 324 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Suze: The I. R. S. They have what's called life expectancy table. 325 00:19:16,609 --> 00:19:17,250 Suze: And what's 326 00:19:17,250 --> 00:19:19,710 KT: crazy you want to hear what you 327 00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:25,980 Suze: wanna hear? What's even crazier is that prior to 2022 328 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:30,230 Suze: they had what's called the old life expectancy table. So 329 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,680 Suze: if somebody died in 2020 and you needed to figure 330 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,940 Suze: out their R. M. D. 331 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:40,160 Suze: The way that it would be done is you would 332 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,680 Suze: look at what the balance of the Ira was at 333 00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:51,370 Suze: at the end of December 31st 2020. You would then 334 00:19:51,369 --> 00:19:52,330 Suze: look up 335 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:56,760 Suze: what the life expectancy would be on the old life 336 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,160 Suze: expectancy table. And they would tell you based on whatever 337 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,420 Suze: age you happen to be. And they would tell you 338 00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:05,770 Suze: what that would be and then you would be able 339 00:20:05,770 --> 00:20:08,530 Suze: to figure out you would take that number and divide 340 00:20:08,530 --> 00:20:09,620 Suze: it into 341 00:20:09,780 --> 00:20:12,260 Suze: the amount of money that was left there and you 342 00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:15,950 Suze: have to do that every year. However in 2022 they 343 00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:19,939 Suze: have what's called a new life expectancy table. So you 344 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:22,310 Suze: all better check with the C. P. A. Because I'm 345 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:26,460 Suze: telling you it is incredibly complicated to 346 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,470 Suze: figure out how much money you actually should be withdrawing 347 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,090 Suze: especially if somebody died in 2020. 348 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:36,080 KT: The other 349 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,820 Suze: thing everybody should know really KT, is that spouses who 350 00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:43,180 Suze: roll over an IRA into their own account. 351 00:20:43,609 --> 00:20:47,719 Suze: They should use the I. R. S. Uniform lifetime table 352 00:20:47,740 --> 00:20:52,190 Suze: to calculate their RMD. If the spouse becomes the owner 353 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:55,300 Suze: of the I. R. A. Then they use the I. R. S. 354 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:58,640 Suze: Single life expectancy table. And if the spouse 355 00:20:58,770 --> 00:21:02,540 Suze: remains as a beneficiary of the I. R. A. The I. R. S. 356 00:21:02,540 --> 00:21:06,159 Suze: Single life expectancy table is also used but for the 357 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,440 Suze: deceased age. So that's used for the calculation. So that's 358 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,000 Suze: another thing that you should all know if you are 359 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,000 Suze: a spouse, right? But non spouse beneficiaries always use the I. R. S. 360 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,740 Suze: Single life table and you can just look them up. 361 00:21:22,290 --> 00:21:23,940 Suze: Was that your last question? 362 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:27,119 KT: There's just one more here. One more to end it 363 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,580 KT: with that. And it's kind of a good question. If 364 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:35,429 KT: my father did not designate a beneficiary on his IRA, 365 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:36,260 KT: what the heck happens? 366 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,949 Suze: Then they have to take it out once they figure 367 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:41,860 Suze: out who the beneficiaries are going to be because it 368 00:21:41,859 --> 00:21:44,750 Suze: goes to the estate maybe at a will. But it's 369 00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:46,810 Suze: then going to have to be taken out KT in 370 00:21:46,820 --> 00:21:49,510 Suze: a five year period of time. 371 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:51,290 KT: Everybody you've got to get 372 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:54,090 KT: all of this. Um What you want to do with 373 00:21:54,090 --> 00:21:55,270 KT: your money straight. 374 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:56,379 Suze: It's really has 375 00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:59,610 KT: a lot of blended families out there that really 376 00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:01,460 Suze: you got to get this together. 377 00:22:01,470 --> 00:22:04,359 KT: You've got to really look into this and just get 378 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,500 KT: it down on paper and organize it. 379 00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:09,810 Suze: All right so KT, we're done only because do you 380 00:22:09,810 --> 00:22:10,930 Suze: have any more for me? 381 00:22:10,940 --> 00:22:14,670 KT: No. That's enough Suze. Enough information. 382 00:22:14,830 --> 00:22:17,790 KT: But I'm glad I asked you about you know this 383 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,070 KT: um life expectancy business and who figures that out? 384 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,530 Suze: KT, you're not getting out of this without quizzie. 385 00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:26,650 KT: Okay. Go for it. Make it easy. 386 00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:32,150 Suze: This one's from Michelle Pola. Alright. And Michelle you know 387 00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:36,600 Suze: has many questions but basically here are two questions for 388 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,220 Suze: your quizzie 389 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:42,760 Suze: Think about everything we just talked about... KT is sitting 390 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,000 Suze: here swatting at a fly or a little bug. 391 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:48,670 KT: It's like a little fruit fly. Okay go ahead. Ask 392 00:22:48,670 --> 00:22:49,730 KT: me Michelle's question. 393 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:50,590 Suze: Is it aggravating? 394 00:22:50,590 --> 00:22:53,010 KT: You go for it. Michelle. What do you want to know? 395 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:57,590 Suze: I wanna know why she's swatting all over the place here. Alright. 396 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,090 Suze: How much do I have to withdraw from my father's 397 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:06,230 Suze: inherited I. R. A. Is the R. M. D. My 398 00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:11,040 Suze: father was withdrawing when he was alive the same RMD 399 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,899 Suze: for inherited accounts? 400 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:14,750 KT: Yeah. I think so. 401 00:23:17,609 --> 00:23:18,680 KT: Is that wrong? 402 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:21,350 Suze: It is so wrong. Have you not been listening to 403 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:21,649 Suze: me and 404 00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:24,270 KT: Listen to it? But I thought you just keep going. 405 00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:27,830 KT: It's like 10%. But I thought you just keep go 406 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,990 Suze: it's based on the beneficiaries age. Not on the father's age, 407 00:23:34,270 --> 00:23:35,450 Suze: right? We're talking about 408 00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:37,010 KT: because she's younger than 409 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:39,590 Suze: not a spouse account. It's 410 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:43,730 KT: a great I didn't get that Michelle. That was your daddy. 411 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:45,700 Suze: All right. You better listen to me 412 00:23:45,859 --> 00:23:49,609 KT: I wasn't paying attention. I was figuring that was just your spouse. 413 00:23:49,609 --> 00:23:52,520 KT: And if it was the spouse, you continue it. Right? 414 00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:54,629 Suze: That depends on their age. 415 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,170 KT: Alright. 416 00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:59,100 KT: Younger or older. 417 00:23:59,270 --> 00:24:04,140 Suze: Next Michelle wants to know, can she put a traditional 418 00:24:04,150 --> 00:24:08,260 Suze: inherited IRA? Can she convert it and put it into 419 00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:09,690 Suze: her Roth? 420 00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:11,010 KT: Yes, 421 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:12,290 Suze: Positive? 422 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:13,100 KT: Yes. 423 00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:17,070 KT: That was one of the three choices right up front. 424 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Suze: No, it wasn't. You are dreaming, girlfriend. You cannot put 425 00:24:22,050 --> 00:24:29,640 Suze: an inherited IRA into a ROTH and last see you 426 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,150 Suze: aren't listening. Now, if a spouse takes ownership of the 427 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Suze: inherited IRA, the spouse can then do a conversion to 428 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,050 Suze: a Roth. 429 00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:43,190 Suze: KT. 430 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,940 KT: Her father. 431 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,230 Suze: You're killing me here. 432 00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:48,750 Suze: You're killing me here. Is she killing all of You 433 00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:49,770 Suze: know, 434 00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:52,820 Suze: it's too late. You got to You didn't even come 435 00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:56,290 Suze: close to a Ding Ding Ding. Alright. Everybody, 436 00:24:56,510 --> 00:25:01,250 Suze: obviously, we'll be doing more answers to your questions on 437 00:25:01,250 --> 00:25:06,200 Suze: inherited Iras I'm not sure this helped you, but I 438 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,500 Suze: have a feeling that it may have. Especially if you 439 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:13,610 Suze: listen to it over and over again. Nothing else. You 440 00:25:13,609 --> 00:25:17,780 Suze: can always laugh with KT and me. 441 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:18,919 KT: And I told Suze 442 00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:21,640 KT: I'm going to definitely die before her. So I don't 443 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,070 KT: have to figure this out. You have to figure it out. 444 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:25,820 Suze: But KT, 445 00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:27,790 KT: you're going to inherit all of mine, 446 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:44,710 Suze: But who cares? There's really only one thing that we 447 00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:46,890 Suze: want you to remember when it comes to your money. 448 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,250 Suze: And what is that Ms. Travis? Stay... 449 00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:59,609 KT: Safe. Strong and secure. And Oh, you want to add four? No. Three. Safe. Strong, 450 00:25:59,609 --> 00:26:00,219 Suze: secure. 451 00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:03,750 KT: Suze's the only one smart in this room today, 452 00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:05,700 KT: in the studio 453 00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:10,200 Suze: and with that, I'll see you on Sunday. We're gonna 454 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Suze: have you. 455 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:13,889 KT: Do you think he's up yet? 456 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,630 Suze: Let's go wake him up. Actually. We never go in his 457 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:17,429 Suze: room till he comes 458 00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:18,720 Suze: out. We 459 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,760 Suze: hope we'll just make noise and hopefully he'll come out. Alright, 460 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,340 Suze: Everybody talk to you soon. Bye bye.