1 00:00:29,459 --> 00:00:35,409 Suze: February 23, 2025. Welcome everybody to the Women and Money podcast, 2 00:00:35,860 --> 00:00:39,189 Suze: as well as everybody smart enough to listen. 3 00:00:39,889 --> 00:00:44,400 Suze: I would highly suggest, since today is Suze School for 4 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,720 Suze: you to take out your Suze notebooks. If you don't 5 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,750 Suze: have one, I most certainly would take out paper and 6 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:54,720 Suze: pen and write down the things that I'm going to 7 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,479 Suze: talk to you about today. 8 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:02,150 Suze: Let's first go to a Suze story. 9 00:01:03,369 --> 00:01:06,680 Suze: I want you to put yourself in this situation. 10 00:01:07,690 --> 00:01:15,171 Suze: You have worked for a company for the past 10, 15, 20, 11 00:01:15,171 --> 00:01:17,540 Suze: 25 years, maybe even longer. 12 00:01:18,470 --> 00:01:20,300 Suze: And you feel secure. 13 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:25,459 Suze: You're solid in that company. You've given them everything that 14 00:01:25,459 --> 00:01:28,860 Suze: you have, and they've been good to you. They've provided 15 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:32,940 Suze: you with a paycheck, a retirement account, all kinds of 16 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:36,160 Suze: things that have allowed you to do what? Maybe buy 17 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,900 Suze: a home, maybe buy a car. 18 00:01:39,569 --> 00:01:42,800 Suze: Be able to put money away in a 529 plan 19 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,269 Suze: for your children to send them to college or whatever 20 00:01:46,269 --> 00:01:47,559 Suze: it may be. 21 00:01:48,739 --> 00:01:53,120 Suze: And of course if you bought a home most likely 22 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,959 Suze: you still have a mortgage on that home or you 23 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:02,239 Suze: financed that car because very few people today honestly can 24 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:04,000 Suze: buy anything outright. 25 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,160 Suze: Even though you've been really trying hard to take my 26 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,829 Suze: advice and get yourself an 8 to 12 month emergency fund, 27 00:02:15,038 --> 00:02:18,080 Suze: put money away, make sure if anything goes wrong you 28 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,638 Suze: have at least 8 to 12 months to get you by. 29 00:02:22,619 --> 00:02:25,899 Suze: Because if you do lose your job, it could easily 30 00:02:25,899 --> 00:02:29,690 Suze: take you 8 months to a year to get another one, 31 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,809 Suze: but even though you've been trying to do so. 32 00:02:34,029 --> 00:02:37,589 Suze: You just have maybe managed to save a month or 33 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:40,850 Suze: two of must pay expenses. 34 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,978 Suze: You have some credit card debt, but really not a 35 00:02:45,979 --> 00:02:46,970 Suze: whole lot. 36 00:02:48,130 --> 00:02:53,589 Suze: And here you are happy because you are just getting by. Yes, yes, 37 00:02:53,669 --> 00:02:57,859 Suze: it's true that the cost of food and everything, your 38 00:02:57,860 --> 00:03:01,710 Suze: insurance policies, all of that have gone up, so it's 39 00:03:01,710 --> 00:03:04,309 Suze: costing you more and more, making it even harder for 40 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:08,070 Suze: you to put money in an emergency savings account, but 41 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:11,720 Suze: you're still getting by. You're not behind on anything. 42 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,309 Suze: Maybe you have a spouse, but it's true that your 43 00:03:16,309 --> 00:03:17,839 Suze: spouse is now working. 44 00:03:18,788 --> 00:03:24,289 Suze: And it takes both of your salaries to just get by. 45 00:03:25,529 --> 00:03:28,770 Suze: All right, everything's going along, and all of a sudden 46 00:03:28,770 --> 00:03:30,758 Suze: you get an email that says you're fired. 47 00:03:31,940 --> 00:03:33,008 Suze: You're like, what? 48 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:38,039 Suze: Not me, not one of the tens of thousands of 49 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:42,649 Suze: people who've just been fired. Really fired. 50 00:03:43,610 --> 00:03:45,789 Suze: How am I gonna pay my mortgage payment? How am 51 00:03:45,789 --> 00:03:47,869 Suze: I gonna pay my car payment? How am I gonna 52 00:03:47,869 --> 00:03:51,160 Suze: feed my family? What are we gonna do? Oh my god, Suze, 53 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:54,899 Suze: cause you've been writing me, help me, help me, help me. 54 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:58,850 Suze: And I'm like, oh, here we go again. 55 00:03:59,830 --> 00:04:02,779 Suze: And I say that because a few years ago I 56 00:04:02,779 --> 00:04:06,300 Suze: remember doing a podcast when the federal government had shut 57 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:09,500 Suze: down and how were these people going to get by 58 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:13,130 Suze: without a paycheck, but then it was a little bit 59 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:16,450 Suze: different because they were still working for the government. We 60 00:04:16,450 --> 00:04:19,140 Suze: knew they would be going back sooner than later, so 61 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:22,880 Suze: it wasn't quite the catastrophe as it is now when 62 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,260 Suze: you are not going to go back and have that 63 00:04:26,260 --> 00:04:29,140 Suze: job anymore and in many of the places. 64 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:33,010 Suze: It's the only jobs that are available as to where 65 00:04:33,010 --> 00:04:37,230 Suze: you live that pay any decent wage whatsoever. 66 00:04:38,089 --> 00:04:41,899 Suze: But all of you need to know again that it's 67 00:04:41,899 --> 00:04:45,768 Suze: not just the federal government that is cutting all of 68 00:04:45,769 --> 00:04:49,970 Suze: these things, really the tariffs, everything that is going on, 69 00:04:50,339 --> 00:04:54,089 Suze: you can see many major corporations are starting to have 70 00:04:54,089 --> 00:04:55,738 Suze: layoffs as well. 71 00:04:56,670 --> 00:05:00,149 Suze: If you think that the price of eggs and everything 72 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,479 Suze: might not affect the fact that your bakery or the 73 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,238 Suze: restaurant you work for or whatever may have to close 74 00:05:06,238 --> 00:05:10,229 Suze: down cause they just can't afford the price of goods anymore. 75 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:14,279 Suze: Well, you might be facing a reality there. 76 00:05:15,070 --> 00:05:21,760 Suze: So all of these possibilities absolutely affect you. It's not 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,839 Suze: just if you lose your job or whatever. What happens 78 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,519 Suze: if you're in an accident or you get sick and 79 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:28,959 Suze: you can't work. 80 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,329 Suze: So this podcast is for every single one of you listening, 81 00:05:34,809 --> 00:05:38,820 Suze: and all I can do is beg you to take 82 00:05:38,820 --> 00:05:43,809 Suze: it seriously that anything can happen to you at any time. 83 00:05:44,019 --> 00:05:48,019 Suze: So you have got to take the steps today to 84 00:05:48,019 --> 00:05:52,140 Suze: protect your tomorrows in case it happens. All right, everybody, 85 00:05:52,410 --> 00:05:55,100 Suze: Suze School is now in session. 86 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:59,480 Suze: Let's just imagine that this has happened to you. 87 00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:03,850 Suze: All right, what you really need to do is the 88 00:06:03,850 --> 00:06:07,959 Suze: very first thing is you have to cut all your 89 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:10,529 Suze: expenses down to nil. 90 00:06:11,529 --> 00:06:14,829 Suze: I know you've enjoyed going out to eat. You've enjoyed 91 00:06:14,829 --> 00:06:18,779 Suze: going on cruises. You've enjoyed taking a vacation here and there. 92 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:22,910 Suze: You enjoy going shopping, buying clothes, buying all this, going 93 00:06:22,910 --> 00:06:29,220 Suze: to the movies, going everywhere. Those are not must pay expenses. 94 00:06:29,549 --> 00:06:33,178 Suze: Those at this point in time when you're in this situation, 95 00:06:33,709 --> 00:06:37,230 Suze: they all have to go. They're gone. 96 00:06:38,089 --> 00:06:40,109 Suze: And I know you're gonna say, but Suze, I really 97 00:06:40,109 --> 00:06:42,428 Suze: need to go to the gym. I need this massage 98 00:06:42,428 --> 00:06:44,820 Suze: once a week. I need these things. No, you don't. 99 00:06:45,820 --> 00:06:49,328 Suze: You want those things, and I understand how they play 100 00:06:49,329 --> 00:06:53,010 Suze: in your mental health and everything. What's going to really 101 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:55,609 Suze: affect your mental health is when you can't afford to 102 00:06:55,609 --> 00:06:58,720 Suze: pay your rent or your mortgage or anything like that. 103 00:06:59,329 --> 00:07:01,969 Suze: Now I just want you to think about that for 104 00:07:01,970 --> 00:07:08,119 Suze: a second. When all of you stop going out, eating out, 105 00:07:08,369 --> 00:07:11,809 Suze: going on cruises, checking in here, doing that whatever it 106 00:07:11,809 --> 00:07:12,450 Suze: may be. 107 00:07:13,029 --> 00:07:15,779 Suze: That starts to affect the economy. 108 00:07:16,799 --> 00:07:21,779 Suze: Which is why you've seen the markets go down because 109 00:07:21,779 --> 00:07:29,160 Suze: people are afraid everybody. They don't understand tariffs. They don't 110 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,690 Suze: understand the ramifications of everything that is happening right now. 111 00:07:32,859 --> 00:07:38,140 Suze: It's all happening so fast that it has scared them. 112 00:07:38,730 --> 00:07:43,839 Suze: And when people are afraid, guess what? Fear is the 113 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,160 Suze: main internal obstacle to wealth, and that's when they start 114 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,989 Suze: selling and everything, but we'll get to that later on, 115 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,399 Suze: dealing with the market, Palantir, Walmart, and everything else that 116 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:59,309 Suze: has happened back to this reality for right now. 117 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Suze: After you have cut all your expenses that are not 118 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,350 Suze: must pay expenses, I need you to take an inventory 119 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:11,410 Suze: of all your money. 120 00:08:11,910 --> 00:08:16,029 Suze: How much do you have in an investment account? How 121 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:19,750 Suze: much do you have in a cash account? How much 122 00:08:19,750 --> 00:08:24,709 Suze: do you have seriously in retirement accounts? And you're to 123 00:08:24,709 --> 00:08:30,029 Suze: divide them between Roth retirement accounts and traditional retirement accounts. 124 00:08:30,149 --> 00:08:34,989 Suze: How much do you have in a 529 plan? How 125 00:08:34,989 --> 00:08:38,940 Suze: much do you have in an HSA savings account? 126 00:08:39,359 --> 00:08:44,119 Suze: I need you to take an inventory of everything that 127 00:08:44,119 --> 00:08:44,998 Suze: you have. 128 00:08:46,450 --> 00:08:48,650 Suze: Where is your money? 129 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,159 Suze: Now I need you to take an inventory of your 130 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:58,440 Suze: must pay expenses and the income that you will be 131 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,159 Suze: having coming in, possibly from your spouse, possibly from rentals 132 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:08,869 Suze: that you have, whatever it may be. What is your shortfall? 133 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,030 Suze: How much income do you have coming in versus how 134 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:16,840 Suze: much are your expenses that you must pay? 135 00:09:17,799 --> 00:09:21,630 Suze: And therefore, the difference between those two things is the 136 00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:25,739 Suze: amount of money that we need to find for you. 137 00:09:27,049 --> 00:09:31,859 Suze: The next decision comes from where can you take it 138 00:09:31,859 --> 00:09:34,590 Suze: from and in what order. 139 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:39,239 Suze: So you have to look at everything you have and 140 00:09:39,239 --> 00:09:41,960 Suze: you have to remember when I'm about to tell you. 141 00:09:42,739 --> 00:09:46,789 Suze: Any money that you have in an IRA, 142 00:09:47,830 --> 00:09:51,669 Suze: Roth or traditional, any money that you have in an 143 00:09:51,669 --> 00:09:57,710 Suze: employer sponsored plan, a TSP for the federal government, a 401k, 144 00:09:57,789 --> 00:10:01,039 Suze: a 403B, Roth or traditional, 145 00:10:01,719 --> 00:10:06,030 Suze: is protected against bankruptcy. 146 00:10:07,049 --> 00:10:11,169 Suze: So one of the biggest mistakes that you can make. 147 00:10:12,799 --> 00:10:17,400 Suze: Especially if you don't have a lot of backup places 148 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,429 Suze: to get money. 149 00:10:19,479 --> 00:10:23,589 Suze: Is to use the money in a retirement account to 150 00:10:23,590 --> 00:10:26,549 Suze: just get by and if you don't have a lot 151 00:10:26,549 --> 00:10:30,109 Suze: of money in that retirement account, possibly use it all up. 152 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,839 Suze: Still then not be able to pay your expenses and 153 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,640 Suze: then end up having to claim bankruptcy and now you 154 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,830 Suze: have nothing. 155 00:10:40,539 --> 00:10:43,319 Suze: So you need to look at the amount of money 156 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,429 Suze: that you have in your retirement accounts versus the amount 157 00:10:48,429 --> 00:10:51,799 Suze: of money that you need every single month to just 158 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:52,559 Suze: get by. 159 00:10:53,299 --> 00:10:57,530 Suze: And how long will that money in the retirement account 160 00:10:57,530 --> 00:10:58,280 Suze: last you? 161 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,819 Suze: If it's going to last you under 8 months, you 162 00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:07,219 Suze: are not to take the money from there, do you 163 00:11:07,219 --> 00:11:11,299 Suze: hear me? If it's going to last you 2 years, 164 00:11:11,419 --> 00:11:16,369 Suze: 5 years, whatever, you have a lot of money in there, OK, 165 00:11:16,539 --> 00:11:18,859 Suze: that may be a source of where you get the 166 00:11:18,859 --> 00:11:23,330 Suze: money from, but you have to think about it carefully, 167 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:23,979 Suze: all right. 168 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,729 Suze: If you have money in a retirement account. 169 00:11:30,429 --> 00:11:34,780 Suze: And that retirement account happens to be a traditional one 170 00:11:34,780 --> 00:11:38,419 Suze: all pre-tax, because you did not listen to Miss Orman. 171 00:11:39,010 --> 00:11:41,950 Suze: You did not go the Roth retirement account route. You 172 00:11:41,950 --> 00:11:45,049 Suze: wanted your tax write off at the time. 173 00:11:46,030 --> 00:11:49,340 Suze: All right, this is what you need to know. 174 00:11:50,289 --> 00:11:53,789 Suze: If you are 59 and a half years of age or older 175 00:11:54,599 --> 00:12:00,109 Suze: Any money you take out of a traditional retirement account pre-tax, 176 00:12:00,479 --> 00:12:04,718 Suze: you will owe ordinary income tax on that money. You 177 00:12:04,719 --> 00:12:09,510 Suze: will not owe, however, a 10% penalty. 178 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:14,650 Suze: In most cases, if you're under 59 and a half 179 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:19,869 Suze: and you withdraw money from a retirement account that's pre-taxed. 180 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:24,239 Suze: Of course, you will owe ordinary income tax, but you 181 00:12:24,239 --> 00:12:28,510 Suze: may also owe a 10% penalty. 182 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,449 Suze: Unless your retirement account 183 00:12:34,119 --> 00:12:39,750 Suze: is an employer retirement account. It is a TSP, a 184 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:43,750 Suze: 401k or a 403B. Listen closely. 185 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,500 Suze: And you are under the age of 59 and a half, 186 00:12:50,229 --> 00:12:57,250 Suze: but you are 55 years of age or older in 187 00:12:57,250 --> 00:13:01,380 Suze: the year that you lost your job or you left service. 188 00:13:01,710 --> 00:13:04,580 Suze: Now what that means is, as you're listening to me, 189 00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:06,489 Suze: you may be 54 right now. 190 00:13:07,239 --> 00:13:13,789 Suze: But you will turn 55 before or on December 31st 191 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,840 Suze: of this year. If that is true, 192 00:13:17,969 --> 00:13:23,359 Suze: any money that you withdraw from your employer sponsored account. 193 00:13:24,210 --> 00:13:27,340 Suze: You will have to pay ordinary income tax on it, 194 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:31,789 Suze: but you will not have to pay the 10% penalty. 195 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:37,710 Suze: It only applies the 55 or older rule to money 196 00:13:37,710 --> 00:13:43,190 Suze: that you have in an employer sponsored plan. So if 197 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:49,109 Suze: you take money that is in your TSP 401K or 403B. 198 00:13:49,859 --> 00:13:52,609 Suze: And you do an IRA rollover with it. 199 00:13:53,989 --> 00:13:56,760 Suze: And you are going to be 55 years of age 200 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,320 Suze: or older, you're not yet 59 and a half, but 201 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,630 Suze: between those ages, and you do an IRA rollover with it, 202 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:08,280 Suze: in most cases, you cannot touch that money. 203 00:14:09,229 --> 00:14:14,630 Suze: Without the 10% penalty, now there are things that you 204 00:14:14,630 --> 00:14:17,909 Suze: can do if you did that called separate and equal 205 00:14:17,909 --> 00:14:21,849 Suze: periodic payments, but trust me, you do not want to 206 00:14:21,849 --> 00:14:25,750 Suze: do that. All right, everybody, it is complicated. You could 207 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:27,780 Suze: possibly get yourself in trouble. 208 00:14:28,130 --> 00:14:31,309 Suze: So it would be far easier for you just leave 209 00:14:31,309 --> 00:14:34,109 Suze: the amount of money that you know you want to 210 00:14:34,109 --> 00:14:40,890 Suze: access from an employer sponsored plan in the employer sponsored plan. 211 00:14:41,190 --> 00:14:44,669 Suze: If you happen to have a lot of money in 212 00:14:44,669 --> 00:14:48,510 Suze: your employer sponsored plan and you want to roll some 213 00:14:48,510 --> 00:14:52,460 Suze: of it to an IRA rollover and you are going 214 00:14:52,460 --> 00:14:56,270 Suze: to be 55 or older this year, OK. 215 00:14:57,299 --> 00:15:00,330 Suze: But leave the amount of money that will at least 216 00:15:00,330 --> 00:15:05,330 Suze: last you for a year or longer in the employer 217 00:15:05,330 --> 00:15:08,700 Suze: sponsored plan. So that is a place that if you 218 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:12,210 Suze: do withdraw, you're only going to pay income tax on it. 219 00:15:12,250 --> 00:15:16,520 Suze: But remember you've lost your job, so your income taxes 220 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,849 Suze: aren't going to be that high this year because even 221 00:15:19,849 --> 00:15:23,890 Suze: if you are with spouse who's earning money, your income 222 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:26,770 Suze: has gone down considerably. 223 00:15:27,479 --> 00:15:30,969 Suze: So just something for you to think about. 224 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:33,229 Suze: For those of you 225 00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:37,780 Suze: who only have a little bit of money within those 226 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:42,979 Suze: retirement accounts whether it's your IRA or not before you 227 00:15:42,979 --> 00:15:48,450 Suze: use any cash before you take money out of any 228 00:15:48,450 --> 00:15:52,380 Suze: retirement account, I would like to see you. I know 229 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:53,859 Suze: you're going to think I've lost it here. 230 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,940 Suze: I'd like to see you put any expenses you can 231 00:15:58,229 --> 00:16:00,359 Suze: on your credit card. 232 00:16:01,099 --> 00:16:06,049 Suze: And only pay the minimum payment due when the bill 233 00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:06,880 Suze: comes in. 234 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,799 Suze: Remember, credit cards can be discharged in bankruptcy if you 235 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:16,640 Suze: need to claim bankruptcy. 236 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,789 Suze: You do not want to take money from a retirement account, 237 00:16:22,229 --> 00:16:25,200 Suze: because if you claim bankruptcy and you've taken it again, 238 00:16:25,270 --> 00:16:28,739 Suze: I'm repeating this, that money's gone and you have nothing. 239 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:32,830 Suze: You want to maintain any cash that you have just 240 00:16:32,830 --> 00:16:37,200 Suze: in case. So this is a case where Miss Orman 241 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,989 Suze: is saying, All right, let's just use your credit cards 242 00:16:41,989 --> 00:16:45,190 Suze: for now and let's see how it goes. 243 00:16:45,599 --> 00:16:52,580 Suze: Another place that even before you touch retirement accounts, regardless 244 00:16:52,580 --> 00:16:55,669 Suze: of how much you have in retirement accounts where you 245 00:16:55,669 --> 00:16:59,390 Suze: might want to get the money from would be if 246 00:16:59,390 --> 00:17:04,469 Suze: you have an investment account. So besides your retirement accounts, 247 00:17:04,550 --> 00:17:08,188 Suze: you opened up an account at a brokerage firm and 248 00:17:08,189 --> 00:17:11,430 Suze: you've been buying stock or whatever it is, ETFs or 249 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:12,790 Suze: whatever that may be. 250 00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:19,619 Suze: Especially because there isn't a 10% penalty there, there isn't 251 00:17:19,619 --> 00:17:23,939 Suze: ordinary income tax there if you've owned your investments for 252 00:17:23,939 --> 00:17:28,540 Suze: over a year, that would probably be one of the 253 00:17:28,540 --> 00:17:31,890 Suze: first places I would go if you're lucky enough to 254 00:17:31,890 --> 00:17:35,339 Suze: have an investment account to get money. 255 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,229 Suze: In choosing what you should do, I would be consulting 256 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,109 Suze: an accountant or a CPA to look at your situation, 257 00:17:45,439 --> 00:17:48,949 Suze: look at your taxes, what you have going on, really, 258 00:17:49,479 --> 00:17:52,479 Suze: and make your choice from there. 259 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,979 Suze: I know you're not going to like this next one 260 00:17:55,979 --> 00:17:58,819 Suze: if you don't have any of that, but you happen 261 00:17:58,819 --> 00:18:03,510 Suze: to put some money in a 529 plan for your kid. 262 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:07,489 Suze: And your kid is still years away from college or 263 00:18:07,489 --> 00:18:08,599 Suze: even if they're not. 264 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:14,728 Suze: You could take money from the 529 plan and obviously 265 00:18:14,910 --> 00:18:18,869 Suze: you're going to pay a 10% penalty on earnings from 266 00:18:18,869 --> 00:18:21,989 Suze: that account and you're going to pay tax on the 267 00:18:21,989 --> 00:18:25,109 Suze: earnings as well, but depending on what you have in 268 00:18:25,109 --> 00:18:27,829 Suze: there and your current tax bracket because you don't have 269 00:18:27,829 --> 00:18:29,228 Suze: income possibly coming in. 270 00:18:29,819 --> 00:18:33,420 Suze: That might not be a bad idea and in fact 271 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:38,349 Suze: that probably would be a better idea really than draining 272 00:18:38,349 --> 00:18:40,589 Suze: money from a retirement account. 273 00:18:42,050 --> 00:18:45,829 Suze: A lot of you have cash in an HSA account, 274 00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:47,468 Suze: a health savings account. 275 00:18:48,109 --> 00:18:51,500 Suze: That is the one place I would most likely tell 276 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:56,260 Suze: you not to take money from. That is because if 277 00:18:56,260 --> 00:19:00,420 Suze: you're under the age of 65, not only will you 278 00:19:00,420 --> 00:19:03,219 Suze: pay ordinary income tax on it since it's not going 279 00:19:03,219 --> 00:19:06,890 Suze: to be for a qualified medical expense, but you're going 280 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:11,500 Suze: to pay a 20% penalty on it as well if 281 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:13,179 Suze: you're 65 or older. 282 00:19:13,699 --> 00:19:17,890 Suze: All right, you're not gonna pay the 20% penalty, but 283 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:22,910 Suze: you will pay for non-qualified medical expenses ordinary income tax. 284 00:19:23,609 --> 00:19:26,560 Suze: Those are some of your options. 285 00:19:27,689 --> 00:19:30,180 Suze: Now for those of you 286 00:19:30,979 --> 00:19:33,719 Suze: who were lucky enough to listen to me. 287 00:19:34,550 --> 00:19:40,448 Suze: And you actually opened up a Roth TSP, a Roth 401k, 288 00:19:40,569 --> 00:19:45,119 Suze: or a Roth 403B, and now you have lost your job. 289 00:19:45,489 --> 00:19:49,569 Suze: Listen to me closely now. I just want you to 290 00:19:49,569 --> 00:19:54,739 Suze: see an example of what you can do to help yourself. 291 00:19:54,969 --> 00:20:00,959 Suze: Write this down, everybody. Let's just say you have $50,000 292 00:20:01,250 --> 00:20:03,449 Suze: in your Roth TSP. 293 00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:06,969 Suze: Alright, let's just say that's true cause that's for federal 294 00:20:06,969 --> 00:20:09,579 Suze: employees and that's who's really dealing with this right now, 295 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:11,139 Suze: but it applies to everybody. 296 00:20:11,829 --> 00:20:18,129 Suze: And that $50,000 is made up of $30,000 that you 297 00:20:18,130 --> 00:20:18,609 Suze: put in. 298 00:20:19,479 --> 00:20:28,109 Suze: $20,000 of earnings when you withdraw money from a Roth TSP, 299 00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:33,919 Suze: it does not work like a Roth IRA. Any money 300 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,630 Suze: you originally contribute to a Roth IRA, you can take 301 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:42,280 Suze: out at any time without taxes or penalties regardless of 302 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,949 Suze: your age. In a Roth TSP, they don't do it 303 00:20:46,949 --> 00:20:47,520 Suze: that way. 304 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,160 Suze: They do a combination and prorate how much of your 305 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,438 Suze: distribution is made up of your original contributions and of 306 00:20:58,439 --> 00:21:00,550 Suze: your earnings. So let's just say 307 00:21:01,469 --> 00:21:06,569 Suze: of this $50,000 that's in there where you put in 308 00:21:06,569 --> 00:21:11,790 Suze: the original $30,000 and let's just say you want to 309 00:21:11,790 --> 00:21:17,579 Suze: take out $20,000. The way that it would work is this. 310 00:21:19,050 --> 00:21:25,968 Suze: You would divide 30,000 by 50,000 your original contributions, which 311 00:21:25,969 --> 00:21:27,239 Suze: is 60%. 312 00:21:28,209 --> 00:21:34,000 Suze: You would divide 20,000, which is your earnings, by 50,000, 313 00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:36,530 Suze: the total that you have in the account, and that 314 00:21:36,530 --> 00:21:38,369 Suze: would be 40%. 315 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:46,728 Suze: So you want to take out $20,000. 60% of that 316 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,189 Suze: is considered your contributions. You're not going to owe taxes, 317 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:57,160 Suze: penalty on it, nothing, $12,000. However, 40% of that $20,000 318 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,430 Suze: is going to be considered your earnings. That is $8000. 319 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,189 Suze: So if you take this from your Roth TSP. 320 00:22:07,630 --> 00:22:10,770 Suze: And you are not 59 and a half years of age or older 321 00:22:10,770 --> 00:22:14,089 Suze: or possibly 55 or older in the year you left service. 322 00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:17,569 Suze: You are going to owe ordinary income taxes no matter 323 00:22:17,569 --> 00:22:24,229 Suze: what on the $8000 and possibly a 10% penalty. However, 324 00:22:24,540 --> 00:22:28,619 Suze: let's just say you were smart and you decided to 325 00:22:28,619 --> 00:22:34,260 Suze: roll over all $50,000 into a Roth IRA. 326 00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:39,400 Suze: Two things. If your Roth IRA has been opened for 327 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,739 Suze: 5 years or longer or however long it's been open, 328 00:22:43,010 --> 00:22:46,359 Suze: the money that you're rolling in there takes on the 329 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,188 Suze: time period of that Roth IRA. Let's say you don't 330 00:22:51,189 --> 00:22:54,040 Suze: have a Roth IRA and you are opening it for 331 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,989 Suze: the first time. When you roll it over, 332 00:22:59,810 --> 00:23:05,729 Suze: all 50,000, 30,000 is going to be contributions, 20,000 is 333 00:23:05,729 --> 00:23:07,209 Suze: going to be earnings. 334 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,260 Suze: You can take out without taxes or penalties anything up 335 00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:17,369 Suze: to that $30,000. It's the $20,000 that has to stay 336 00:23:17,369 --> 00:23:20,409 Suze: in that account for at least 5 years and until 337 00:23:20,410 --> 00:23:25,040 Suze: you're 59 and half to access it without 10% penalty and taxes. 338 00:23:25,329 --> 00:23:29,760 Suze: So in that case, if you wanted $20,000 you could 339 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,649 Suze: withdraw it 340 00:23:31,479 --> 00:23:37,959 Suze: without any taxes or penalties versus the other situation, if 341 00:23:37,959 --> 00:23:41,949 Suze: you took it from your Roth TSP, you are going 342 00:23:41,949 --> 00:23:49,160 Suze: to owe ordinary income taxes on that $8000 plus possibly 343 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,599 Suze: a 10%. 344 00:23:50,239 --> 00:23:55,849 Suze: penalty. So to save yourself that tax money and penalty 345 00:23:55,849 --> 00:24:00,488 Suze: if you just simply do a Roth IRA rollover with 346 00:24:00,489 --> 00:24:05,790 Suze: your Roth TSP 401k or 403B, you've lost your job now. 347 00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:09,409 Suze: You want to save every penny you can. This is 348 00:24:09,410 --> 00:24:13,329 Suze: something that you should look into doing. Obviously check it 349 00:24:13,329 --> 00:24:14,410 Suze: with the CPA, 350 00:24:14,829 --> 00:24:18,489 Suze: just to make sure that I'm correct, so there are 351 00:24:18,489 --> 00:24:21,228 Suze: things that you can do what all of you should 352 00:24:21,229 --> 00:24:24,429 Suze: be doing now. However, if you don't already have a 353 00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:27,910 Suze: Roth IRA, if you qualify for it, you should open 354 00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:32,219 Suze: a Roth IRA, even if you just deposit $1 in it. 355 00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:39,160 Suze: Now the clock is ticking because if you did have 356 00:24:39,489 --> 00:24:43,520 Suze: A Roth IRA that was open for 5 years and 357 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,573 Suze: you did this and you happen to be over 59 358 00:24:46,573 --> 00:24:50,099 Suze: and half, oh, you could take all $50,000 out without 359 00:24:50,099 --> 00:24:56,000 Suze: any taxes or penalties. What so ever think about it, everybody. 360 00:24:56,619 --> 00:24:59,250 Suze: Last but not least, I just want to say something 361 00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:00,780 Suze: now about the stock market. 362 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:10,879 Suze: What's aggravating me is that we've been talking about Palantir forever. Walmart, Amazon, 363 00:25:10,890 --> 00:25:13,589 Suze: all these stocks that we have been talking about. 364 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:17,800 Suze: That you have watched going up and up and up 365 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,449 Suze: and up and up and you were like, oh, I 366 00:25:21,449 --> 00:25:26,130 Suze: missed it. I can't believe it. It's, it's gone. Take 367 00:25:26,130 --> 00:25:30,250 Suze: Palantir it's at 120, 124, and you're watching it and 368 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:32,010 Suze: before you know it you look at it and it's 369 00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:38,040 Suze: like 95, 98, 100, 110 wherever it closed. 370 00:25:38,689 --> 00:25:42,839 Suze: And now you are upset. At first you are upset 371 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,959 Suze: that you didn't get in. Now you're upset if you 372 00:25:45,959 --> 00:25:46,640 Suze: own it. 373 00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:50,209 Suze: That it's gone down now you are upset because you 374 00:25:50,209 --> 00:25:54,209 Suze: didn't catch it at the bottom of 95. Some of 375 00:25:54,209 --> 00:25:57,929 Suze: your responses on the Women and Money community app, which 376 00:25:57,930 --> 00:26:00,329 Suze: you can download, by the way, everybody at Apple Apps 377 00:26:00,329 --> 00:26:03,619 Suze: and Google Play. I missed it. I put in the order. 378 00:26:03,689 --> 00:26:07,489 Suze: I didn't get it. What is wrong with all of you? 379 00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:11,890 Suze: I'm very serious about this. You are never ever going 380 00:26:11,890 --> 00:26:13,209 Suze: to buy at the bottom. 381 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,390 Suze: And you are never ever going to sell at the 382 00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:18,869 Suze: top unless you are lucky. 383 00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:22,599 Suze: Like so many of you were upset. 384 00:26:23,719 --> 00:26:27,900 Suze: When you didn't buy Palantir at 6, that's the lowest 385 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:32,000 Suze: I think it's been really since 2022, but you were 386 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,359 Suze: upset that you didn't buy it at 6. You were 387 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,599 Suze: upset you didn't buy it at 7. Then it went 388 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,959 Suze: to 14, and then it went up and that goes up, 389 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Suze: goes down. You cannot be 390 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:47,310 Suze: an investor who has regrets, you have to be a 391 00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:51,540 Suze: strong-minded investor. And the first question you have to ask 392 00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:55,948 Suze: yourself is, Do you like the company? Do you like 393 00:26:55,949 --> 00:26:59,069 Suze: what they are doing? Do they have a product that 394 00:26:59,069 --> 00:27:03,988 Suze: is needed? Are they at the forefront of creation and 395 00:27:03,989 --> 00:27:06,140 Suze: what's going on in this world? 396 00:27:07,339 --> 00:27:10,989 Suze: Is it something that will grow and grow over time? 397 00:27:11,239 --> 00:27:14,920 Suze: Are their earnings good? Is their management good? Do you 398 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,839 Suze: like the company? And if you like the company and 399 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,939 Suze: the stock has already gone up dramatically, which in this 400 00:27:22,939 --> 00:27:24,000 Suze: case it did. 401 00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:28,349 Suze: You're upset that you didn't sell at the top. You're 402 00:27:28,349 --> 00:27:31,180 Suze: upset that, oh my God, you didn't buy like I 403 00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:34,579 Suze: said before at 95. Listen, this stock could easily go 404 00:27:34,579 --> 00:27:38,459 Suze: back down to 70, could go to 80. Your job 405 00:27:38,459 --> 00:27:42,459 Suze: is to buy little by little, no matter what it does. 406 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:46,890 Suze: Yes, I bought it at 98. I also bought some 407 00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:49,849 Suze: at 113 before I bought it at 98. 408 00:27:51,229 --> 00:27:56,109 Suze: So as it's going down, I bought some, then I 409 00:27:56,109 --> 00:27:58,709 Suze: bought a little more. If it goes down even more, 410 00:27:58,790 --> 00:28:02,790 Suze: I will do so. So it's a stock that I 411 00:28:02,790 --> 00:28:06,270 Suze: want to own. It is a stock that I have 412 00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:11,169 Suze: faith in, and if it goes down, I'm thrilled cause 413 00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:15,349 Suze: I get to buy more. So I don't care if 414 00:28:15,349 --> 00:28:18,989 Suze: you're buying 1 share, a half a share, you're buying 415 00:28:18,989 --> 00:28:20,909 Suze: slices of shares. 416 00:28:21,569 --> 00:28:24,510 Suze: So if you don't have a lot of money and 417 00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:29,510 Suze: you want to participate in this stock, then divide whatever 418 00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:33,430 Suze: money you have and invest $10 a month, $5 a month, 419 00:28:33,439 --> 00:28:35,270 Suze: it does not matter. 420 00:28:35,989 --> 00:28:38,439 Suze: But do not get mad cause you missed it. 421 00:28:39,140 --> 00:28:42,290 Suze: You missed what everybody? You don't know that it's at 422 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:45,770 Suze: its lowest point right now. After it went to 95, 423 00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:49,079 Suze: it went back up to 105. Then here we are again, 424 00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:54,520 Suze: and now it's back at 101. Really, everybody, really, when 425 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,760 Suze: a stock goes up straight as Palantir did, you have 426 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,489 Suze: to expect that it's going to fall back down. Nothing 427 00:29:04,489 --> 00:29:05,880 Suze: goes straight up. 428 00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:11,339 Suze: So really, I need you to be financial grownups here. 429 00:29:12,229 --> 00:29:15,040 Suze: The goal of money is for you to be secure, 430 00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:19,089 Suze: and if it is making you too nervous, then sell 431 00:29:19,089 --> 00:29:22,410 Suze: it and do something else with your money. That's just 432 00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:26,469 Suze: that simple or sell half or just hold on to 433 00:29:26,469 --> 00:29:31,239 Suze: what you already have. But don't play this game of oh, 434 00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:32,930 Suze: I bought it at 98. 435 00:29:33,479 --> 00:29:35,660 Suze: I'm going to buy more. When I said that and 436 00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:39,170 Suze: I posted that, it's because if it did go down, 437 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:41,180 Suze: I would be thrilled, and I got news for you 438 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:43,689 Suze: if it went up a little, I would still buy more. 439 00:29:44,859 --> 00:29:49,270 Suze: So you have got to have conviction in what you 440 00:29:49,270 --> 00:29:53,510 Suze: are buying and not ask each other's opinion in terms 441 00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:57,270 Suze: of what they are doing. You have to know what 442 00:29:57,270 --> 00:29:58,109 Suze: you're doing. 443 00:29:59,469 --> 00:30:00,180 Suze: All right. 444 00:30:01,199 --> 00:30:04,510 Suze: That's what I think. I still have total faith in Palantir, 445 00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:08,920 Suze: total faith in Walmart, total faith in Pfizer, total faith 446 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,239 Suze: in the stocks and the ETFs that I've talked to 447 00:30:11,239 --> 00:30:15,800 Suze: you about, and it's just that simple. All right, everybody, 448 00:30:15,974 --> 00:30:20,285 Suze: until Thursday when KT joins us again, there's only one 449 00:30:20,285 --> 00:30:21,964 Suze: thing that I want you to remember when it comes 450 00:30:21,964 --> 00:30:25,944 Suze: to your money, and it is this people first, then money, 451 00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:29,875 Suze: then things. Now you stay safe. Bye-bye.