WEBVTT - Three Rules That Beat Budgeting

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<v KT>Hello, Suze, and good morning everyone and welcome to the

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<v KT>Women in Money podcast and everyone's smart enough to listen.

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<v KT>This is KT in the house.

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<v KT>And today is a very special day.

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<v Suze>KT. Wait, everybody gotta listen to me. So we're about

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<v Suze>to start the podcast, and I said, You wanna start?

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<v Suze>You wanna do it? And she goes, Yeah, I can

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<v Suze>do it.

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<v KT>What's wrong with that?

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<v Suze>What day is today?

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<v KT>I didn't get there yet.

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<v Suze>That's how you start.

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<v KT>No, I'm doing it KT way. Today's Thursday, January 22nd, and

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<v KT>why did I wait to give you that date? Because

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<v KT>it's Don Race's birthday.

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<v KT>And Don is our brother-in-law, the daddy of Sophia and

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<v KT>Travis that you've heard about for years, and he's on

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<v KT>his way to Oregon to carve wood. Unbelievable.

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<v Suze>You, you, you're cracking me up here already, Travis.

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<v Suze>You know that you forgot to start with January 22, 2026.

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<v KT>Here we go.

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<v Suze>No, no,

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<v KT>Today is January 22nd, 2026, the birthday of Don.

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<v Suze>No, stop, stop, stop. Anyway, Don, we wish you a very,

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<v Suze>very happy birthday. We love you so much. How old

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<v Suze>is he?

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<v Suze>We don't know.

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<v KT>I don't know. It doesn't matter.

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<v Suze>That's how much we love him, everybody. We don't even

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<v Suze>know how old he is.

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<v KT>He never looks old. He's a handsome man.

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<v Suze>Handsome man. Now this is the Ask KT and Suze

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<v Suze>Anything edition. You want to ask a question, just write

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<v Suze>in to ask Suze S U Z E podcast at gmail.com.

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<v Suze>If KT chooses it, oh, we will answer it on

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<v Suze>the podcast. I just have to say something, KT.

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<v Suze>So as you know, everybody, I read many of the emails.

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<v Suze>Sometimes I answer you directly, as you all know. So

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<v Suze>I'm reading this one email, and it says, so I

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<v Suze>asked you a question a few weeks ago. I didn't

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<v Suze>get an answer, right? How do I know what the

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<v Suze>answer to my question is and how do I know

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<v Suze>when it's gonna be on the podcast? Will you let

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<v Suze>me know?

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<v Suze>And I was like, I just wrote back one simple line.

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<v Suze>You have to listen to the podcast. Just that simple.

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<v Suze>All right, KT, go on.

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<v KT>Also, she gets thousands, thousands. Also, you're lucky if she

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<v KT>answers you. It's not something that she ever has to do.

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<v KT>She loves doing that.

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<v Suze>However, I do want to say something to a few

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<v Suze>of you. You wrote, I answered. You wrote again, and

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<v Suze>I answered.

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<v Suze>You wrote again and then I got tied up and

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<v Suze>I get distracted sometimes and whatever if I've been communicating

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<v Suze>with you and all of a sudden you don't hear

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<v Suze>from me, don't just give up write again just reply

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<v Suze>to

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<v Suze>the emails that have been coming back and forth, so

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<v Suze>it will be brought to my attention again. I go,

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<v Suze>oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so don't give up. All right,

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<v Suze>go on.

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<v KT>I'm starting with a question from Ben and I really

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<v KT>like this and I like you, Ben, for this question.

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<v KT>Hi KT and Suze, I consider myself very fortunate. I'm

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<v KT>debt free. I own my own home. I am consistently

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<v KT>dollar cost averaging into my stock portfolio. I contribute to

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<v KT>my retirement and I have accessible funds.

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<v KT>I feel like I could share some of this with

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<v KT>someone or a cause less fortunate than me, but I'm

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<v KT>unsure how to determine the right amount. Suze, is there

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<v KT>a framework or guideline for deciding what is considered an

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<v KT>appropriate or responsible gift or donation?

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<v KT>Great question.

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<v Suze>How would you answer that?

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<v KT>Do what we do, Ben.

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<v Suze>What do we do?

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<v KT>We, we have charities that we really believe in and

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<v KT>that we like. One of them is St. Jude's

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<v Suze>No, but that wasn't his question.

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<v KT>No. Well, hold on...

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<v Suze>How do you decide on a responsible amount?

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<v KT>10% is probably a good rule of thumb, like, like

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<v KT>all the tithings that are out there.

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<v Suze>That's how you would answer this question?

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<v KT>Maybe, yea.

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<v Suze>(Suze makes the wrong answer noise)

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<v KT>OK, well...

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<v Suze>Give me this. Give me this. Just give me this

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<v Suze>before we even start. I just got to, before we

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<v Suze>even got into this podcast, I got to do my

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<v Suze>favorite thing. (Suze makes the wrong answer noise again)

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<v Suze>You hate that, don't you?

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<v KT>I do. We need a different noise.

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<v Suze>What should it be?

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<v KT>I don't know, but we don't need a negative noise

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<v KT>at this hour in the morning. Answer Ben's question.

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<v Suze>So Ben, listen to me.

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<v Suze>I'll never forget one of the Oprah shows I was doing,

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<v Suze>and there was a woman, and this is really for everybody,

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<v Suze>there was a woman who was in debt. Her car

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<v Suze>was just repossessed. She had credit card debt, but yet

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<v Suze>she was still giving 10% of her money away. I'll

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<v Suze>never forget this, and I looked at her and I said.

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<v Suze>Why would you want to make yourself a burden on God?

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<v Suze>Why would you want to do that? Because isn't it

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<v Suze>true that you're constantly praying to God and saying, God,

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<v Suze>I just wish I had some more money. And she said, Yes,

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<v Suze>I pray for that all the time. And I said,

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<v Suze>You know what, maybe God is saying to you:

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<v Suze>Listen, I'm OK right now. Maybe you could just give

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<v Suze>me 1% or $10 or whatever, but you have got

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<v Suze>to be responsible for yourself and take care of yourself first.

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<v Suze>And then I went on and I said on that

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<v Suze>Oprah show, sometimes it's harder for some people to give

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<v Suze>$1 because they don't have any than it is for

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<v Suze>some people to give $5,000 because they have so much

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<v Suze>or whatever it may be.

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<v Suze>So, Ben, you have to decide on an amount that

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<v Suze>feels responsible to what you have and really what you feel.

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<v Suze>I would tell you in terms of where you should

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<v Suze>give it, your heart will tell you.

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<v Suze>What happens with me is all of a sudden, sometimes

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<v Suze>even I'll be in the car or I'll see somebody

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<v Suze>and I'll just be compelled to give them some money.

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<v Suze>Other times it will be an organization, sometimes it will

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<v Suze>be a person

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<v Suze>who just needs help. I don't get a tax write

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<v Suze>off for it. It doesn't matter. I just want to

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<v Suze>help them because helping them makes my heart feel better.

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<v Suze>It's not about helping them gets me a tax write off.

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<v Suze>My advice to you would be there's no percentage amount

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<v Suze>that should be dictated.

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<v Suze>You know when you should give and when you don't

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<v Suze>want to give. You know who to give to if

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<v Suze>you simply follow your heart. It will lead you to

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<v Suze>the right place to donate money to. Just that simple.

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<v Suze>Next question, KT.

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<v KT>OK. Next question is from...

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<v Suze>I have a question for you.

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<v KT>Yeah.

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<v Suze>How come when I give an answer, if you disagree

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<v Suze>with it, you don't go: (and Suze makes the wrong answer noise again).

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<v KT>I am not gonna go there.

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<v Suze>Why is that?

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<v KT>This is called the Women and Money podcast. You're Suze Orman,

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<v KT>the money guru of the world, and I'm KT, and

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<v KT>I'm gonna disagree with your financial advice? No, no, no,

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<v KT>I might disagree with your emotional advice, or, but no,

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<v KT>I'm never gonna disagree with your financial advice. It's made

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<v KT>me millions of dollars.

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<v Suze>All right, here you go, KT, if you did disagree,

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<v Suze>you would...

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<v KT>I wouldn't do that noise.

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<v Suze>No, but if you did disagree.

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<v Suze>You would have, you feel like you're powerful enough that

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<v Suze>you would do so, right?

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<v Suze>Yea. Oh, I would, well, we disagree all the time

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<v Suze>off air, so why wouldn't I disagree on air?

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<v Suze>I have absolutely no idea.

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<v KT>Everybody, I, if I disagree with her, she knows. But

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<v KT>I'm not gonna disagree about money...

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<v Suze>Guess what, everybody, there is a saying in our household.

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<v Suze>What is it, KT?

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<v KT>KT is always right.

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<v Suze>Yeah, it just, oh, it irks me. Anyway, go on.

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<v KT>All right, this is from Elle.

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<v KT>Hi Suze and KT, I plan on retiring in two

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<v KT>years at 67 from the federal government. I have a

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<v KT>car that will be paid off within two years and

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<v KT>a mortgage balance of $120,000.

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<v KT>I have a modest TSP under 500,000 and is allocated 50%

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<v KT>G and 50% C. I don't know what that means, Suze,

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<v KT>so you'll have to tell us. Should I maintain

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<v KT>or change that allocation, I may withdraw $20,000 when I retire.

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<v KT>Thank you for all.

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<v Suze>Elle, first of all, you did not say if your

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<v Suze>TSP was a Roth TSP, which makes me believe it's

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<v Suze>a traditional TSP, which means it's pre-tax.

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<v Suze>So for the next two years, do you hear me,

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<v Suze>for the next two years till you are 67, every

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<v Suze>single penny that you put in to the TSP needs

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<v Suze>to be what? It needs to be a Roth TSP.

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<v Suze>That's number one. Number two, you say that you may

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<v Suze>withdraw 20,000 at retirement. Why?

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<v Suze>If you withdraw that the way you currently have it now,

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<v Suze>and even if you open up a Roth TSP it's

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<v Suze>got to be open for at least five years to

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<v Suze>take it out tax-free unless you have a Roth IRA,

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<v Suze>which I don't think you do because you didn't say

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<v Suze>you did, then you could have converted it to a

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<v Suze>Roth IRA at 67, and if you had had that

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<v Suze>open for five years, then you could have taken out

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<v Suze>the $20,000 possibly tax-free, but that's besides the point.

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<v Suze>But you want to withdraw $20,000 at retirement.

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<v Suze>And the question is: Why? Why would you do that?

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<v Suze>It's going to affect so many things. So, I want

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<v Suze>you to number one, immediately get into a Roth TSP. Also,

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<v Suze>if you're not in a very high income tax bracket

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<v Suze>or you can afford it.

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<v Suze>You might want to because you're now allowed to, as

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<v Suze>of January 28 actually, you're allowed to do in plan conversions,

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<v Suze>so you could take some of the money that's in

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<v Suze>your traditional TSP and now transfer it to a Roth

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<v Suze>TSP that wasn't allowed before January 28 of this year

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<v Suze>for the TSPs.

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<v Suze>In terms of your allocation, KT said, so what's a

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<v Suze>G and what's a C? KT, within the TSP, the

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<v Suze>Thrift Savings Plan, there are many different mutual funds or sections.

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<v Suze>The G is like the government one. It's like a

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<v Suze>money market fund. They pay you an interest rate. It

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<v Suze>doesn't fluctuate. It is good. It is solid. It's there.

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<v Suze>The C is like the Standard and Poor's 500 index,

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<v Suze>like a common stock fund.

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<v Suze>So right now, she is divided 50/50.

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<v Suze>The rule of thumb is when you retire you wanna

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<v Suze>make sure that you have at least three years of

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<v Suze>living expenses in your retirement account within a money market

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<v Suze>account or the G fund in your situation. That's because

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<v Suze>if the market starts to go down, you do not

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<v Suze>want to have to take money from a C fund

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<v Suze>or a stock fund

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<v Suze>when the market is down. So. Elle, you're gonna have

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<v Suze>to decide that you may want more if you really

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<v Suze>need money in the G fund than the C fund,

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<v Suze>just so you know.

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<v KT>Right now it's a 50/50...

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<v Suze>50/50 split.

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<v KT>What would you recommend, 75/25?

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<v Suze>No, I wouldn't. I would either. Well, really what she

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<v Suze>needs to do is figure out what would three years

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<v Suze>of her living expenses really be. That's beyond what her

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<v Suze>pension is gonna be or her Social Security. What is

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<v Suze>that gap between her guaranteed income

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<v Suze>and what she needs for three to five years actually

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<v Suze>of living expenses and whatever that gap is that should

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<v Suze>be in the G fund or if she does an

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<v Suze>IRA rollover, a Roth IRA rollover, then that would stay

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<v Suze>in a money market fund for her wherever it is.

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<v Suze>All right, next, KT.

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<v KT>This is from Cathy. What are some instances when a

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<v KT>spouse would lose a deceased spouse's pension?

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<v Suze>Cathy, the main reason that you would lose your spouse's

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<v Suze>pension when they died is because, number one, they chose

0:13:26.820 --> 0:13:32.119
<v Suze>a pension that was a life only pension, which means

0:13:32.119 --> 0:13:36.809
<v Suze>it's good for his or her life, period. And after

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<v Suze>that there's no more money and normally one chooses that

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<v Suze>because they feel like

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<v Suze>I want more money now. We need more money. You

0:13:45.580 --> 0:13:48.738
<v Suze>won't need as much when I die. So the largest

0:13:48.739 --> 0:13:53.479
<v Suze>pension choice is life only. Then it starts to decrease

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<v Suze>when you want to leave a joint and survivor benefit.

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<v Suze>The biggest decrease is when you get a 100% joint

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<v Suze>and survivor benefit, which means spouse dies, you get 100%

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<v Suze>of what they were getting.

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<v Suze>Many people opt for a 50% joint and survivor benefit.

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<v Suze>I always say that is a serious mistake. If you

0:14:15.969 --> 0:14:18.968
<v Suze>have the option. I don't care how much money you

0:14:18.969 --> 0:14:24.010
<v Suze>have or how much money you need. Always do a 100%

0:14:24.010 --> 0:14:28.250
<v Suze>joint and survivor option unless you know that the spouse

0:14:28.250 --> 0:14:29.530
<v Suze>that you'll be leaving it to

0:14:30.090 --> 0:14:34.849
<v Suze>is seriously ill isn't going to survive you by any means,

0:14:34.929 --> 0:14:37.270
<v Suze>and you know that without a shadow of a doubt,

0:14:37.599 --> 0:14:40.359
<v Suze>and or they have what's called a pop up option,

0:14:40.450 --> 0:14:45.090
<v Suze>but that's a whole other popcast. Next, there are many

0:14:45.090 --> 0:14:48.489
<v Suze>pensions where you know your spouse is going to get

0:14:48.489 --> 0:14:53.190
<v Suze>a pension, but they haven't signed up for the pension yet,

0:14:53.690 --> 0:14:58.030
<v Suze>and they die before they sign up for it.

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<v Suze>There are corporations and places that one can work, that

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<v Suze>if you don't sign up for it and you die

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<v Suze>before that.

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<v Suze>Out of luck.

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<v KT>Really?

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<v Suze>Uh-huh. You gotta know these things.

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<v KT>Oh my, wait a minute, Suze, stop right there. If

0:15:13.309 --> 0:15:15.830
<v KT>you're working for a company and let's say you're, you've

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<v KT>been there 15 years.

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<v KT>And you never signed up or your HR people haven't really nudged you.

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<v Suze>Usually they ask you to sign up at 55 or

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<v Suze>60 right in there somewhere just depends.

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<v KT>But if you haven't done that...

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<v Suze>If you haven't done that...

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<v KT>Your, your spouse... if you die all of a sudden

0:15:33.789 --> 0:15:35.989
<v KT>you have a heart attack and you die on the job,

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<v KT>let's say your spouse doesn't get a pension, if you didn't sign up?

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<v Suze>That's right. If you didn't sign up, that's why you've

0:15:41.349 --> 0:15:41.780
<v Suze>got to...

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<v KT>Can you dispute it?

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<v Suze>No, not if those are the rules. That's why you

0:15:44.900 --> 0:15:48.479
<v Suze>have to know how does it work? And if you

0:15:48.479 --> 0:15:51.520
<v Suze>can't sign up for a pension yet, that's when you

0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.400
<v Suze>have term life insurance to cover yourself in case that

0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.369
<v Suze>were to happen. Also, believe it or not.

0:15:59.250 --> 0:16:04.570
<v Suze>There are times when if it's less than a 50%

0:16:04.570 --> 0:16:09.010
<v Suze>joint and survivor option, the spouse has to sign off,

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<v Suze>and a lot of times the spouse doesn't listen and

0:16:11.929 --> 0:16:13.309
<v Suze>they just say, whatever.

0:16:14.030 --> 0:16:17.400
<v Suze>And you should always check what happens in case of

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<v Suze>a divorce, because sometimes that can change. So there's so

0:16:21.750 --> 0:16:26.080
<v Suze>many things that can happen, but the main reason is

0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:31.159
<v Suze>normally they've chosen a life only option which if they

0:16:31.159 --> 0:16:34.140
<v Suze>are married is the absolute biggest mistake

0:16:34.979 --> 0:16:37.700
<v Suze>that they can ever make in their lives unless their

0:16:37.700 --> 0:16:40.659
<v Suze>spouse is seriously ill. All right, KT, next.

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<v KT>So Suze, wait, I have a question. If the spouse

0:16:44.580 --> 0:16:48.539
<v KT>that's working signed off, he or she wants 100%, they

0:16:48.539 --> 0:16:52.090
<v KT>don't leave anything after death to their spouse...

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<v Suze>And the spouse signed off on it, yes...

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<v KT>Can they change their mind like a year later?

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<v Suze>They can't even change their mind a week later once

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<v Suze>they start the pension.

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<v KT>OK. Next question is from Peg.

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<v KT>I am 83. I have been a poor money manager

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<v KT>all my life. I've been able to make some positive change.

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<v Suze>Don't you think that's funny? Poor and money in the

0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:14.199
<v Suze>same breath?

0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.079
<v KT>I've been a poor money manager.

0:17:16.189 --> 0:17:18.359
<v Suze>But still, right? Poor money anyway. Go on.

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<v KT>So wait a minute, but here's what I love about the question.

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<v KT>This is where I, I wonder if it's ever too late, Suze.

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<v KT>I'm 83.

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<v KT>I've been a poor money manager all my life. I've

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<v KT>been able to make some positive changes in the past

0:17:33.839 --> 0:17:38.589
<v KT>few years. Ready? I need help getting the basics in

0:17:38.589 --> 0:17:42.099
<v KT>budgeting and learning not to spend. Can you help me?

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<v Suze>Girlfriend, you listen to me...

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<v KT>Wait. 83, is it ever too late?

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<v Suze>Listen to me, Peg, right? If you are now able

0:17:52.739 --> 0:17:58.649
<v Suze>to make good financial decisions, you don't really need help

0:17:58.650 --> 0:18:01.750
<v Suze>getting the basics in budgeting and learning not to spend.

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<v Suze>Right, but she says, Can I help? Here are three rules.

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<v Suze>You follow these three rules, and I promise you, you

0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:14.040
<v Suze>will know exactly how to budget. All right. I don't

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<v Suze>like the word budget. Budgets, KT, are like diets.

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<v KT>Wait, go tell her...

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<v Suze>But wait, do you know...

0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.359
<v KT>...here's the three rules.

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<v Suze>Oh, all right. Anyway, I wanted to tell you why

0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Suze>I don't like budgets, but that's besides the point.

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<v KT>No. The three rules. Go for it.

0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.280
<v Suze>Oh, she's keeping me on point today. All right.

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<v Suze>Is this: you are to live below your means but

0:18:34.489 --> 0:18:38.899
<v Suze>within your needs. What is a need? A need is

0:18:38.900 --> 0:18:43.209
<v Suze>food that you get at a grocery store. It's gasoline

0:18:43.209 --> 0:18:45.939
<v Suze>that you put in your car because either you, you

0:18:45.939 --> 0:18:48.659
<v Suze>really have to go somewhere. You don't go out joyriding,

0:18:48.780 --> 0:18:50.920
<v Suze>although at 83 she probably doesn't do that.

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<v KT>What is the second rule?

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<v Suze>The second rule is how do you do that?

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<v Suze>From this day forward, when you go to spend any

0:18:59.939 --> 0:19:04.640
<v Suze>money at all, Peg, ask yourself the question: Is this

0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.640
<v Suze>a need or is this a want? If it is

0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.579
<v Suze>a need, buy it. If it's a want, walk away.

0:19:12.910 --> 0:19:15.760
<v Suze>And last but not least, just get as much pleasure

0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Suze>out of saving as you do spending. It's just that simple.

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<v KT>Now wait, this isn't just for Peg. This, these three

0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.800
<v KT>rules apply to everyone, no matter what age you are.

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<v Suze>But don't you wanna ask me why I don't like budgets?

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<v KT>No.

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<v Suze>Why not?

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<v KT>Because you, you think they're like a diet, they don't work.

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<v KT>People start it. It's a, it's a silly thing. A

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<v KT>budget isn't something people follow.

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<v Suze>All right, go on.

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<v KT>The three rules though they will follow.

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<v Suze>Ding ding ding ding ding.

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<v KT>All right, this is from, this is from Carla. She said,

0:19:51.609 --> 0:19:54.930
<v KT>I was blessed to be gifted your books in my

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<v KT>early 20s.

0:19:56.750 --> 0:20:00.238
<v KT>And took your advice to invest in index funds with

0:20:00.239 --> 0:20:05.479
<v KT>a low expense ratio in my first 401k. Now in

0:20:05.479 --> 0:20:10.709
<v KT>my forties I have 1 million plus in investments. Thank you.

0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:12.479
<v Suze>Hopefully in Roth's. Go on.

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<v KT>All right, everybody that we know that's under 30, listen

0:20:16.079 --> 0:20:20.329
<v KT>to that, right? She took Suze's advice. My parents have

0:20:20.329 --> 0:20:23.359
<v KT>named me executor of their will. They are in their

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.800
<v KT>early eighties. They have a reverse

0:20:25.939 --> 0:20:30.599
<v KT>mortgage, a car loan on a 2025 sedan, and credit

0:20:30.599 --> 0:20:34.680
<v KT>card debt. I am told that when they pass to

0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.109
<v KT>turn the house and car over to the bank, there's

0:20:38.109 --> 0:20:41.459
<v KT>nothing left for my sister and I. Is it really

0:20:41.459 --> 0:20:45.920
<v KT>this simple? My parents have declared bankruptcy in the past,

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.959
<v KT>maxed out credit cards, and buy a new car every

0:20:48.959 --> 0:20:53.359
<v KT>two to three years. They are disclosing little information, which

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<v KT>is why I read

0:20:55.719 --> 0:21:00.369
<v KT>"The Ultimate Retirement Guide for 50+" to learn more. I

0:21:00.369 --> 0:21:03.209
<v KT>don't want to purchase their home from the bank. I'm

0:21:03.209 --> 0:21:07.229
<v KT>glad they're able to supplement their income through the reverse mortgage.

0:21:07.449 --> 0:21:10.349
<v KT>I don't want to be on the hook for their debts.

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<v KT>Please feel free to edit my submission. I did not

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<v KT>edit this, Carla, because you need to hear Suze's advice.

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<v Suze>And so does everybody

0:21:21.354 --> 0:21:26.675
<v Suze>else who happens to have parents that are as irresponsible

0:21:26.675 --> 0:21:30.635
<v Suze>as Carla's when it comes to money and is willing

0:21:30.635 --> 0:21:33.395
<v Suze>to say here kids you deal with the fact that

0:21:33.395 --> 0:21:37.155
<v Suze>we have been financial screw ups OK just that simple

0:21:37.354 --> 0:21:41.114
<v Suze>and trust me there are many out there. Carla sweetheart

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<v Suze>listen to me number one.

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<v Suze>As long as you don't put your name on anything,

0:21:45.530 --> 0:21:48.510
<v Suze>as long as you don't say you'll take responsibility for it,

0:21:48.719 --> 0:21:52.000
<v Suze>you are not responsible for any credit cards that they

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.750
<v Suze>have in their names. When they both die.

0:21:57.180 --> 0:22:02.520
<v Suze>Then those debts will absolutely go away. However, when one

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.439
<v Suze>of them dies, the other is still going to be responsible,

0:22:06.479 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Suze>and that's what you have to think about, cause there

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.599
<v Suze>is where we might have a problem. They're both in

0:22:12.599 --> 0:22:15.599
<v Suze>their 80s. Maybe one of them has a pension like

0:22:15.599 --> 0:22:19.780
<v Suze>your father. He dies before your mother.

0:22:20.510 --> 0:22:24.270
<v Suze>Now, we've lost one Social Security check, maybe we've lost

0:22:24.270 --> 0:22:26.949
<v Suze>a pension check, like I just talked about a few

0:22:26.949 --> 0:22:29.010
<v Suze>minutes ago, and now your mom

0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:34.448
<v Suze>or the surviving parent has less money available than they

0:22:34.449 --> 0:22:37.849
<v Suze>did with even more and more credit card debt and

0:22:37.849 --> 0:22:40.689
<v Suze>guess what now they've maxed out on their credit cards

0:22:40.689 --> 0:22:43.930
<v Suze>they can't get any more credit and now we have

0:22:43.930 --> 0:22:48.810
<v Suze>problems so you better start to find out right now

0:22:48.810 --> 0:22:52.369
<v Suze>what's really going on with them because it's not just

0:22:52.369 --> 0:22:54.140
<v Suze>what happens when they are dead.

0:22:54.510 --> 0:22:58.270
<v Suze>It's what happens when one of them dies, and you

0:22:58.270 --> 0:23:00.910
<v Suze>might want them to listen to this if you don't

0:23:00.910 --> 0:23:04.389
<v Suze>have the nerve to ask them for this on your own.

0:23:04.510 --> 0:23:08.948
<v Suze>That's number one. Number two, they have a reverse mortgage

0:23:08.949 --> 0:23:10.109
<v Suze>on their home.

0:23:11.140 --> 0:23:14.780
<v Suze>What that means is that the bank owns the house

0:23:14.979 --> 0:23:18.380
<v Suze>and the bank is paying them monthly every month to

0:23:18.380 --> 0:23:21.699
<v Suze>live in that house. Now I don't know how long

0:23:21.699 --> 0:23:25.609
<v Suze>that's been going on. It is possible that the bank

0:23:25.609 --> 0:23:29.719
<v Suze>has already paid out more than the house is worth,

0:23:30.380 --> 0:23:32.180
<v Suze>or maybe they haven't.

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:37.739
<v Suze>But on your parents' death, what will happen is depending

0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:41.468
<v Suze>on how much has been taken out if they've taken

0:23:41.469 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Suze>out already more than the house is currently worth, the

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:46.910
<v Suze>bank is just gonna take the house and you don't

0:23:46.910 --> 0:23:49.879
<v Suze>have to worry about it. If they haven't taken out

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.680
<v Suze>as much as the house is worth, then you will

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.738
<v Suze>sell the house, pay the bank back.

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.040
<v Suze>And you get to keep the rest. I have a

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:04.089
<v Suze>feeling the bank is going to get the house. As

0:24:04.089 --> 0:24:07.839
<v Suze>far as their car goes, the car, just call the

0:24:07.839 --> 0:24:11.780
<v Suze>car company up and say, hey, repossess it. It's theirs, whatever.

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.300
<v Suze>Any car company that is stupid enough

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:19.640
<v Suze>to really lend people money who have claimed bankruptcy, who

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.160
<v Suze>have probably horrible FICO scores, all the stuff going on

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:28.150
<v Suze>with your parents, fine, let them repossess the car, no

0:24:28.150 --> 0:24:33.099
<v Suze>big deal. I'm sure that's exactly what will happen. So

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<v Suze>the main thing, however, that I'm worried about isn't so

0:24:37.699 --> 0:24:40.020
<v Suze>much what happens when they've died.

0:24:40.719 --> 0:24:44.089
<v Suze>It's what happens as they get older and older and

0:24:44.089 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Suze>now all of a sudden do they need nursing care?

0:24:48.239 --> 0:24:50.599
<v Suze>What are they gonna need? What if they can't take

0:24:50.599 --> 0:24:54.478
<v Suze>care of themselves? Who's gonna be responsible for that? And

0:24:54.479 --> 0:24:58.780
<v Suze>is that gonna fall on you? So Carla, more than anything,

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.958
<v Suze>don't worry about after they've died. That's not gonna be

0:25:01.959 --> 0:25:02.729
<v Suze>a problem.

0:25:03.390 --> 0:25:06.319
<v Suze>The problem becomes, what are you gonna do as they

0:25:06.319 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Suze>get older and older and older. They keep up these

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:14.949
<v Suze>bad financial habits, they get more and more into financial trouble.

0:25:15.319 --> 0:25:17.079
<v Suze>Now does somebody... what happens?

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:19.639
<v Suze>You need to sit down with them. You need to

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.479
<v Suze>be an adult, and you need to say, I don't

0:25:22.479 --> 0:25:25.260
<v Suze>care that you don't want to talk to me about this.

0:25:25.449 --> 0:25:28.599
<v Suze>I need to know these things, and I want to

0:25:28.599 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Suze>know them now, or else, as you get older, if

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Suze>you need my help before you've died, I'm not going

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.319
<v Suze>to be able to be there for you.

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<v KT>Now wait, uh, on that same note, Susie, listen to this.

0:25:44.430 --> 0:25:46.579
<v KT>There's always some light at the end of the tunnel.

0:25:47.030 --> 0:25:50.949
<v KT>Her parents, Carla's parents were 83 and a mess, but

0:25:50.949 --> 0:25:54.510
<v KT>listen to this. This is from Sue, who's 80 years old.

0:25:54.869 --> 0:25:57.709
<v KT>She said, Hi, Suze, I'm 80 years old and I

0:25:57.709 --> 0:26:01.349
<v KT>live in New York State. My daughter lives in Pennsylvania,

0:26:02.140 --> 0:26:08.280
<v KT>which I recently read has an inheritance tax of 4.5%

0:26:08.420 --> 0:26:13.379
<v KT>for children of the deceased. I have about 3 million

0:26:13.380 --> 0:26:17.660
<v KT>in a 403B which names my son a New York

0:26:17.660 --> 0:26:21.719
<v KT>state resident and my daughter as the beneficiaries.

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<v KT>If I am reading this correctly, is my daughter gonna

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<v KT>have to give 4.5% of my hard earned money to

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<v KT>the state of Pennsylvania? If so, how would that work

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<v KT>if she withdraws the money over 10 years, since PA

0:26:39.569 --> 0:26:44.150
<v KT>also says that inheritance tax payments are due on the

0:26:44.150 --> 0:26:47.280
<v KT>death and are delinquent after nine months.

0:26:48.430 --> 0:26:51.750
<v KT>Sue lives in upstate. Well, she lives in New York State.

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<v Suze>No problem, Sue. Listen to me. First of all, normally

0:26:56.229 --> 0:27:01.349
<v Suze>this 4.5%, which is true, applies to things like real estate,

0:27:01.430 --> 0:27:06.530
<v Suze>things like that. It never usually applies to a retirement account,

0:27:07.020 --> 0:27:11.650
<v Suze>especially because you happen to be in New York. All right, now,

0:27:11.670 --> 0:27:14.859
<v Suze>if you were a Pennsylvania resident, everything was there, da

0:27:14.859 --> 0:27:15.510
<v Suze>da da da.

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:22.899
<v Suze>But even then, normally IRAs are not included in this 4.5%

0:27:22.900 --> 0:27:24.530
<v Suze>estate tax. All right, next.

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<v KT>But the reason I wanted you to read that is

0:27:27.839 --> 0:27:32.180
<v KT>here is an 80 year old that's extremely responsible.

0:27:32.540 --> 0:27:34.339
<v Suze>And how does that help Carla?

0:27:34.420 --> 0:27:38.619
<v KT>Well, the Carla, I'm just saying to everyone listening that

0:27:38.619 --> 0:27:41.698
<v KT>because you're in your 80s, it doesn't mean that you,

0:27:41.819 --> 0:27:45.780
<v KT>you know, are bad with money like Carla's parents. This

0:27:45.780 --> 0:27:47.260
<v KT>woman Sue is great.

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:50.699
<v KT>You don't like that?

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Suze>Well, the reason I'm looking at you like that is KT.

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.989
<v Suze>Most of the 80 year olds that are writing in,

0:27:59.239 --> 0:28:01.400
<v Suze>where they're the ones writing in.

0:28:01.859 --> 0:28:05.569
<v Suze>They have money. They've been listening to me for 40 years.

0:28:05.829 --> 0:28:09.660
<v Suze>They are, of course, are responsible. And so the real

0:28:09.660 --> 0:28:13.260
<v Suze>lesson there is if you start early, you'll end up

0:28:13.260 --> 0:28:16.050
<v Suze>with millions like most of our 80 and 70 year

0:28:16.050 --> 0:28:22.500
<v Suze>olds and 90 year olds have multi-millions. However, Carla is

0:28:22.500 --> 0:28:26.060
<v Suze>gonna end up with millions when she's in her 80s.

0:28:26.589 --> 0:28:29.829
<v Suze>But parents who don't listen to the Women and Money podcast,

0:28:29.910 --> 0:28:33.750
<v Suze>they never have. They never listened to me on CNBC

0:28:33.750 --> 0:28:34.829
<v Suze>or any of that.

0:28:35.699 --> 0:28:39.020
<v Suze>What are you gonna do? What this really shows you, everybody,

0:28:39.260 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Suze>is if you start early.

0:28:41.719 --> 0:28:43.599
<v Suze>You'll be just fine. All right, go on.

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.800
<v KT>OK, so this last question is from Richard. I was

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:52.319
<v KT>saving this for you, Suze. Ready, everyone? Richard, I'm right

0:28:52.319 --> 0:28:56.599
<v KT>there with you. I love this question. Suze, what is

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<v KT>a backdoor Roth and how do I do it?

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<v Suze>Do you want to answer that? Do you want that to be your pop quizzy?

0:29:03.510 --> 0:29:05.229
<v KT>I'll give it a shot. Let me give it a shot.

0:29:05.510 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Suze>Did you plant that?

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.040
<v KT>No, I didn't plant it, but I'll give it a shot.

0:29:09.839 --> 0:29:13.599
<v KT>I don't, I don't maybe have the exact numbers right, but...

0:29:14.599 --> 0:29:19.849
<v KT>The Roth has requirements and if one doesn't meet those requirements,

0:29:20.119 --> 0:29:25.359
<v KT>a backdoor Roth was created for those that have a

0:29:25.359 --> 0:29:27.060
<v KT>traditional IRA.

0:29:28.030 --> 0:29:32.280
<v KT>And they have they're they're not able to open a Roth.

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:37.479
<v KT>What they can do is convert the traditional IRA.

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Suze>No, that's not what a back door is.

0:29:40.319 --> 0:29:42.000
<v KT>That's why the back door is...

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.069
<v Suze>Oh, that was such a good try.

0:29:44.069 --> 0:29:47.359
<v KT>Why... then why that's one of the reasons why it

0:29:47.359 --> 0:29:50.800
<v KT>exists so that you could actually

0:29:51.670 --> 0:29:55.030
<v KT>put money through the back door into a Roth.

0:29:55.109 --> 0:29:57.199
<v Suze>All right, but let me explain it very clearly.

0:29:57.290 --> 0:29:59.010
<v KT>All right, explain it better, please.

0:29:59.430 --> 0:30:00.189
<v Suze>That wouldn't be hard.

0:30:01.260 --> 0:30:02.719
<v KT>It's not nice. (KT makes the wrong answer noise)

0:30:05.979 --> 0:30:10.060
<v Suze>All right. Once you make too much money...

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:11.079
<v KT>That's what I said.

0:30:11.420 --> 0:30:12.849
<v Suze>You listen to me closely...

0:30:13.180 --> 0:30:15.180
<v KT>But that's what I said. Everyone, OK, go ahead.

0:30:15.810 --> 0:30:17.270
<v Suze>They know what you said.

0:30:17.569 --> 0:30:18.689
<v KT>All right, go ahead. Finish.

0:30:19.109 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Suze>All right, she so hates being wrong. She hates...

0:30:22.619 --> 0:30:25.290
<v KT>No, no, no, you're gonna describe what I'm, what I

0:30:25.290 --> 0:30:26.670
<v KT>think I was correct...

0:30:26.670 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Suze>KT, can you let me do this?

0:30:28.650 --> 0:30:31.630
<v KT>All right, go ahead. Tell everybody what is a backdoor Roth.

0:30:32.670 --> 0:30:39.630
<v Suze>Obviously, there are maximum modified adjusted gross income limits that

0:30:39.630 --> 0:30:43.469
<v Suze>you have to be under to do what's called a

0:30:43.469 --> 0:30:49.709
<v Suze>contributory Roth, and a contributory Roth is where you are

0:30:49.709 --> 0:30:54.109
<v Suze>able to put in up to $7,500 if you are

0:30:54.109 --> 0:30:59.020
<v Suze>under 50 this year, $8,600 if you are 50 or older,

0:30:59.229 --> 0:31:00.619
<v Suze>and you can do that every year.

0:31:01.900 --> 0:31:07.979
<v Suze>However, you can also do what's called a conversion. Which means

0:31:07.979 --> 0:31:11.020
<v Suze>if you have a traditional IRA right now,

0:31:11.829 --> 0:31:15.829
<v Suze>an IRA that obviously you've never paid taxes on, you

0:31:15.829 --> 0:31:19.890
<v Suze>can convert that money regardless of your income,

0:31:20.930 --> 0:31:25.229
<v Suze>into a Roth IRA. You just have to do what?

0:31:25.489 --> 0:31:29.229
<v Suze>You have to pay taxes on the amount that you converted.

0:31:29.810 --> 0:31:34.250
<v Suze>But then a backdoor Roth is very, very different.

0:31:35.270 --> 0:31:40.030
<v Suze>A backdoor Roth is where you do not have a

0:31:40.030 --> 0:31:44.869
<v Suze>traditional IRA already, or a traditional SEP IRA or a

0:31:44.869 --> 0:31:49.989
<v Suze>simple IRA because if you do, you cannot do a

0:31:49.989 --> 0:31:53.949
<v Suze>backdoor Roth, because if you do a backdoor Roth, you

0:31:53.949 --> 0:31:56.709
<v Suze>are going to be subjected to what's known as the

0:31:56.709 --> 0:31:59.670
<v Suze>pro rata rule, which means you're gonna have to pay

0:31:59.670 --> 0:32:02.050
<v Suze>taxes on that money essentially twice.

0:32:02.510 --> 0:32:05.630
<v Suze>So you just don't do it. If you do not

0:32:05.630 --> 0:32:11.650
<v Suze>have a traditional retirement account outside of work of any kind,

0:32:12.290 --> 0:32:17.300
<v Suze>what you do is you open up a IRA but

0:32:17.300 --> 0:32:22.989
<v Suze>you make it non-deductible and you fund it with either

0:32:22.989 --> 0:32:27.170
<v Suze>the 7,500 this year or the 8,600 if you are

0:32:27.300 --> 0:32:28.770
<v Suze>50 or older.

0:32:29.300 --> 0:32:34.569
<v Suze>And you then immediately convert it to a Roth IRA.

0:32:35.130 --> 0:32:39.530
<v Suze>So now you have gotten money into the Roth IRA

0:32:39.530 --> 0:32:43.890
<v Suze>through the back door, as if it's like a contributory Roth.

0:32:44.339 --> 0:32:49.699
<v Suze>But you cannot contribute more than 7,500 or 8,600 right

0:32:49.699 --> 0:32:54.979
<v Suze>now to a traditional IRA that you make non-deductible. So

0:32:54.979 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Suze>do you understand the difference, KT? It's not just converting

0:32:58.939 --> 0:33:00.619
<v Suze>money you have in a traditional.

0:33:00.699 --> 0:33:04.765
<v KT>I missed out on that part. You're right. The deductible and non-deductible.

0:33:05.744 --> 0:33:06.574
<v Suze>You got that?

0:33:06.824 --> 0:33:07.395
<v KT>I think so.

0:33:07.885 --> 0:33:07.905
<v Suze>All right.

0:33:07.944 --> 0:33:09.064
<v KT>I have to think about it.

0:33:09.145 --> 0:33:14.185
<v Suze>All right, but that's going through the back door. The

0:33:14.185 --> 0:33:17.905
<v Suze>key is, however, you have to make sure that you

0:33:17.905 --> 0:33:19.224
<v Suze>do convert it.

0:33:20.140 --> 0:33:22.989
<v Suze>And the reason is you want it in the Roth

0:33:22.989 --> 0:33:27.988
<v Suze>IRA because if it stays in the non-deductible IRA and

0:33:27.989 --> 0:33:31.469
<v Suze>it starts to grow, if it makes money and then

0:33:31.469 --> 0:33:34.630
<v Suze>you convert it, the amount of money that it's grown

0:33:34.630 --> 0:33:37.750
<v Suze>will be taxed to you, so there you go, but

0:33:37.750 --> 0:33:39.229
<v Suze>you have to be careful with it.

0:33:40.239 --> 0:33:41.760
<v KT>That's the part I missed.

0:33:41.959 --> 0:33:45.119
<v Suze>Yeah, you thought you were so smart, didn't you?

0:33:45.119 --> 0:33:47.880
<v KT>I didn't think I was smart. I told everyone I'm studying

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.800
<v KT>the Roth, so I really know it, and I thought

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:51.780
<v KT>that I kind of got the backdoor.

0:33:52.660 --> 0:33:55.859
<v Suze>We talked about this. I just wanna say this to you.

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Suze>I'm proud that you tried.

0:33:59.869 --> 0:34:04.619
<v Suze>No, I'm not kidding, KT. If you just try, eventually

0:34:04.619 --> 0:34:07.510
<v Suze>you will get it versus I don't know the answer.

0:34:07.630 --> 0:34:09.669
<v Suze>I don't know. It's a back door, side door, inside.

0:34:10.030 --> 0:34:13.029
<v KT>No, no, no, I wanna know the answer to everything

0:34:13.030 --> 0:34:13.790
<v KT>about a Roth.

0:34:14.070 --> 0:34:15.549
<v Suze>Tell me why you wanna know.

0:34:15.550 --> 0:34:19.540
<v KT>Because I should after all these years. I should, and

0:34:19.540 --> 0:34:21.830
<v KT>it's important that I know the difference.

0:34:21.979 --> 0:34:25.370
<v Suze>All right, there we go, everybody. And in the same way,

0:34:25.379 --> 0:34:27.189
<v Suze>KT says she should.

0:34:27.668 --> 0:34:32.529
<v Suze>So should you. So until Sunday, there's only one thing

0:34:32.529 --> 0:34:35.229
<v Suze>that we want you to remember. Number one, we want

0:34:35.229 --> 0:34:41.509
<v Suze>you to go to my YouTube channel, right? Youtube.com/ Suze Orman.

0:34:41.829 --> 0:34:45.908
<v Suze>Please subscribe because again, I am so trying to convince

0:34:45.908 --> 0:34:49.648
<v Suze>KT to do videos of these podcasts, but

0:34:50.059 --> 0:34:54.018
<v Suze>she's not quite into that yet. One day, maybe so

0:34:54.018 --> 0:34:56.819
<v Suze>until Sunday. There's only one thing that we want you

0:34:56.819 --> 0:34:58.559
<v Suze>to remember. What is that, KT?

0:34:58.698 --> 0:35:03.739
<v KT>People first, then money, then things, and maybe, maybe on

0:35:03.739 --> 0:35:08.264
<v KT>Susie's birthday we will come live on video.

0:35:08.465 --> 0:35:13.764
<v Suze>I doubt it highly, but especially given last Sunday's podcast,

0:35:14.225 --> 0:35:17.574
<v Suze>you now know why I say to all of you,

0:35:17.945 --> 0:35:21.685
<v Suze>now you stay safe. Bye-bye.