Speaker 1: Welcome to The Ivy. Today the Daily Business News podcast
Speaker 1: from business in Vancouver newspaper and the ivy dot com.
Speaker 1: I'm Tyler Horton. And today we're going to talk all
Speaker 1: about that talent crunch with regards to how maybe American
Speaker 1: perceptions of Canadian immigration policy could actually be feeling more
Speaker 1: growth especially in cities like Vancouver.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be joined by Jon Voight Global's Richard Burke
Speaker 2: discussing all about this new report delving into American perceptions
Speaker 2: of Canadian immigration policy. Then later on retail insiders CRAIG
Speaker 2: PATTERSON He breaks down Lululemon is exceptional quarterly financials as
Speaker 2: well as price hikes going on in groceries. And guys
Speaker 2: we've got to do this. It is April 1st today
Speaker 2: as we records are going to have a bit of
Speaker 2: a rundown of all the big brands that are there.
Speaker 2: They've been doing some April Fools joke so far today
Speaker 2: and whether or not they've been effective. But first let's
Speaker 2: talk all about immigration.
Speaker 3: So talking to any hiring manager here in Vancouver's tech
Speaker 3: sector and they'll tell you that the talent crunch is
Speaker 3: perhaps the biggest barrier that's impeding growth right now. Candidates
Speaker 3: been looking outward to fill those gaps. But is the
Speaker 3: message getting out there to other countries. A new report
Speaker 3: from online global it reveals how American perceptions of our
Speaker 3: immigration policy may influence further growth here at home. Calling
Speaker 3: in today from Chicago it is Richard Burke. He's CEO
Speaker 3: of on voice global. Richard thanks for joining us on
Speaker 3: the program today. Thank you Tyler for having me. And
Speaker 3: so before we dive into the numbers and there's some
Speaker 3: fascinating numbers that you guys have produced here in your
Speaker 3: latest reports. But can you tell me maybe anecdotally how
Speaker 3: American professionals maybe perceive your own immigration policies in terms
Speaker 3: of drawing global talent to fill in some of the
Speaker 3: gaps that your country's facing right now heavily.
Speaker 4: So what we do it on a global is we
Speaker 4: help employers secure work authorization in any country around the world.
Speaker 4: And then we make certain they say compliance or we're
Speaker 4: fortunate where were the biggest players in the United States.
Speaker 4: And we've with a growing practice in the Qantas we
Speaker 4: are taught to get a very good view and every
Speaker 4: year we augment that view by doing a big survey
Speaker 4: with Harris Associates. We go up to 400 H.R. professionals
Speaker 4: but equally between publicly traded and private companies and ask
Speaker 4: for how all things immigration one of the questions we
Speaker 4: asked is directly response to what you just asked Tyler.
Speaker 4: We asked Is the U.S. immigration process getting more difficult
Speaker 4: or less difficult. And we've asked this question for years
Speaker 4: in a row. And in 2016 and 2017 it was
Speaker 4: pretty evenly split between those employers who felt that the U.S.
Speaker 4: immigration process was getting more difficult less severe weather almost
Speaker 4: a tie in 2019 it was the biggest spread ever
Speaker 4: 47 percent believe the process is getting more difficult which
Speaker 4: is two and a half times those who feel that
Speaker 4: the process is becoming less difficult. Only 18 percent said
Speaker 4: less difficult 47 percent more difficult. And that's the biggest
Speaker 4: golf we've seen in the years we've done it. We
Speaker 4: know why that happened. The U.S. government is making the
Speaker 4: process much more onerous adding quite a bit of uncertainty
Speaker 4: in the eyes of employers and that counts for this
Speaker 4: drove this 2 to 2.5 X spread between internal and
Speaker 4: external in which we think is making Canada increasingly appealing
Speaker 4: to U.S. employers.
Speaker 3: Well let's get into that because you guys do have
Speaker 3: the report out and it says that American companies are
Speaker 3: increasingly targeting Canada's future talent hub based in part on
Speaker 3: our immigration policies as Canada being perceived quite favorably right now.
Speaker 5: Absolutely it is one of our questions was whose immigration
Speaker 5: policy do you consider to be more favorable. Sixty five
Speaker 5: percent of employers said Canada. And that is growing the
Speaker 5: US perception is being friendly is shrinking and we believe
Speaker 5: that is very conscious by Canada. We helped a number
Speaker 5: of companies go into Canada and were increasingly helping Canadian
Speaker 5: companies procure work authorization into Canada and literally 65 percent
Speaker 5: find Canada to be more appealing and perhaps more importantly
Speaker 5: almost an equal number 63 percent Tyler respondents said they
Speaker 5: are considering expanding into Canada for this very reason. You've
Speaker 5: got a much more accommodating immigration policy. You've also got
Speaker 5: terrific universities throughout Canada most often cited not surprisingly as
Speaker 5: the Kitchener Waterloo corridor but those two factors are favourable
Speaker 5: immigration policy and strong academic institutions that are causing well
Speaker 5: over half of U.S. employers who responded to the survey
Speaker 5: to consider expanding.
Speaker 6: So I'll tell you as a Canadian who grew up
Speaker 6: in the United States down in the 1990s I don't
Speaker 6: know if there is that much awareness of Canada at
Speaker 6: least at the time that I was living there. Do
Speaker 6: you think that Canada is doing a much better job
Speaker 6: at getting its out its name out there getting its
Speaker 6: policies out there that there's a lot more of the
Speaker 6: people that need to know now what's going on with
Speaker 6: regards at least immigration policy down in the United States.
Speaker 7: They do. They do and they do for a few reasons.
Speaker 7: One immigration is was President Trump's calling card issues. So
Speaker 7: the whole issue of immigration has become much more engrained
Speaker 7: in people's consciousness. And once you start looking at the
Speaker 7: legal high skilled immigration many people are aware of these
Speaker 7: Canadian initiatives to increase the population of Canada the immigration
Speaker 7: to add a aggressive impressive growth to the population via immigration.
Speaker 7: Most employers are very much familiar with this. For those
Speaker 7: two reasons One the topicality of immigration can shoot the
Speaker 7: challenges in the United States and finding resident born talent
Speaker 7: and also those affirmative steps that the Canadian government is
Speaker 7: taking to make Canada hospitable and welcoming place for high
Speaker 7: skilled talent.
Speaker 3: What's fascinating to me though is the American economy is
Speaker 3: doing quite well right now. You get the sense from
Speaker 3: a lot of your clients that growth could be stymied
Speaker 3: to a certain degree. If Americans don't have access to
Speaker 3: the global talent that it needs to fill in those
Speaker 3: gaps that can't be matched domestically without a doubt that's
Speaker 3: what's happening the U.S. government is doing very very well
Speaker 3: particularly when it comes to unemployment.
Speaker 4: We know that the unemployment rate in the States for
Speaker 4: people with a college degree is to 1 percent. We
Speaker 4: know there's about seven point three million jobs in the
Speaker 4: US that are open only six point three million job seekers.
Speaker 4: We know that there will be about 4 million folks
Speaker 4: retiring from the workforce this year. That's you know 10000
Speaker 4: a day. It's the baby boomers age out. And as
Speaker 4: a result because of that U.S. employers are saying we
Speaker 4: want to continue growing but the shortage of qualified talent
Speaker 4: is scrimping our growth. Our survey expressly asked questions in
Speaker 4: about 30 percent of employers said that challenges in hiring
Speaker 4: talent are causing either delay or the cancellation of projects.
Speaker 7: We help represent a very well-known consumer the food and
Speaker 7: beverage company. They needed to produce bottles plastic bottles to
Speaker 7: hold their product in plastic bottles are some forms that
Speaker 7: regards miracles and engineering they have to be liked to
Speaker 7: have to be durable.
Speaker 5: They have to be efficient and economic to produce. They
Speaker 5: have to meet certain environmental standards there's quite a bit
Speaker 5: of engineering.
Speaker 8: This company could not get sufficient engineers in the United
Speaker 8: States because of the combination of a tightening immigration policy
Speaker 8: and an expense in a very difficult job market for
Speaker 8: employers saying that moving the work to Mexico more often
Speaker 8: than not the work is moving to Canada.
Speaker 9: As companies seek growth and believe that the Canadian immigration
Speaker 9: landscape is like I said much more hospitable and favourable
Speaker 9: and I'll tell you as an outsider and let me
Speaker 9: know if I'm on the right track here.
Speaker 6: But I wonder if Canada is in a bit of
Speaker 6: a unique position in terms of American eyes. If Americans
Speaker 6: turn to say the United Kingdom for say expanded growth
Speaker 6: over there it's facing a Brexit situation right now to
Speaker 6: look to other English speaking countries say Australia New Zealand.
Speaker 6: They're pretty far away is Canada benefiting much from its
Speaker 6: cultural position as well as its geographic position to United
Speaker 6: States to be able to seize on some of that
Speaker 6: international talent in the United States needs right now.
Speaker 5: Very perceptive. There is a cultural advantage that Canada has
Speaker 5: compared to any other country in the world from the
Speaker 5: United States perspective.
Speaker 10: There is most obviously that manifests in the same language.
Speaker 10: There is a geographic benefit which candidate feels more so
Speaker 10: than any. Even Mexico because of your time zone frequency
Speaker 10: of flight ease of transfer from one board to the other.
Speaker 11: And then there's also the political that while you know
Speaker 11: just today the Trump administration which is talking about shutting
Speaker 11: off the border with Mexico that that'll give many employers
Speaker 11: pause about investing into and expanding into Mexico. Relations with
Speaker 11: Canada are much warmer than they are relative to relations
Speaker 11: with Mexico so there's a cultural reason a geographic reason
Speaker 11: and a political reason. And I'd add a fourth reason
Speaker 11: Tyler educational those schools. University of Waterloo Vancouver has excellent schools.
Speaker 11: Toronto Montreal. That is a fourth meaningful driver of the
Speaker 11: benefits the Canada has rather than anyone else.
Speaker 2: Well we're talking a lot about maybe American perceptions right now.
Speaker 2: But from your own work and unlike global telling me
Speaker 2: you've been getting into more business with Canada What is
Speaker 2: your own experience been like working with Save the Canadian
Speaker 2: study on immigration policy what do you notice kind of
Speaker 2: the differences between the U.S. and Canada right now.
Speaker 5: Personally very very much so a couple of points Tyler.
Speaker 5: First of all we are experience in the candidate comes
Speaker 5: in two contexts one is helping us companies who are
Speaker 5: seeking to grow they use their first country of as
Speaker 5: Canada for those for reasons we just set. So we
Speaker 5: get quite a bit of experience. We've helped over a
Speaker 5: thousand over a thousand cases into Canada. That gives us
Speaker 5: a unique perspective. We're also seeing increasingly Canadian company of
Speaker 5: Canadian companies to grow particularly in the startup scene. The
Speaker 5: scene in Toronto is very very vibrant as it is
Speaker 5: in Vancouver. And those companies are increasingly attracting U.S. venture capital. U.S.
Speaker 5: private equity and as importantly Canadian venture capital and private
Speaker 5: equity and as they grow. They're saying well you you
Speaker 5: envoy have a solution that works very well. You've got
Speaker 5: experience by virtue of helping companies move into Canada help
Speaker 5: us grow as well so we're increasingly helping Canadian companies
Speaker 5: seeking to bring folks into Canada. We're also helping the
Speaker 5: couple retain and continued search firms whose express model is
Speaker 5: to take advantage of Canada's Liberal a relatively liberalized immigration policies.
Speaker 5: And they'll say that Canadians employers we will get for
Speaker 5: you high skilled foreign national talent. We will partner with
Speaker 5: on void to secure the work authorization and you'll be
Speaker 5: able to quickly and efficiently and skillfully fill your open positions.
Speaker 5: Interestingly CBRE the big real estate firm did a survey
Speaker 5: and they found that Toronto added more technology positions last
Speaker 5: year than the Bay Area Seattle in Washington D.C. combined.
Speaker 12: So think of that.
Speaker 3: While and I'd like to imagine especially here in Vancouver
Speaker 3: that we could get some of that runoff effect as
Speaker 3: we get American companies looking outward seeing where they can
Speaker 3: fill in some of those gaps and Richard Di. Your
Speaker 3: company did some really interesting reporting on this and I
Speaker 3: want to thank you for joining us on the program today.
Speaker 5: Well thank you. Coming. You're exactly right about Vancouver. Yeah
Speaker 5: it in Toronto are we are where we are the
Speaker 5: most interested in actual proximity to Asia strong Asian connection
Speaker 5: in Vancouver obviously entertainment is very big to the U.S.
Speaker 5: going into Vancouver so delighted to be able to join.
Speaker 6: And we're out of those winter months so hopefully those
Speaker 6: Americans will give us a second look as we move
Speaker 6: from spring and into summer now too.
Speaker 5: I can assure you they're looking I can promise you that.
Speaker 3: Excellent thanks Richard. That's Richard Burke CEO of Anvil global
Speaker 3: Stay with us Craig Patterson from retail insider dot com.
Speaker 3: He joins us next to talk about Lululemon and more.
Speaker 3: And with us to talk all about the latest news
Speaker 3: in retail this is gonna be a fun episode because
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard but it is April
Speaker 3: Fool's today. It's Craig Patterson editor in chief retail insider
Speaker 3: dot com Craig. Thanks for joining us on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. OK. So I don't think
Speaker 3: we want to bury the lead here. It is in
Speaker 3: fact April 1st 20 19 as we record this and
Speaker 3: we always expect some brands to get in on the
Speaker 3: jokes what's popping up to you today.
Speaker 13: CRAIG There's some interesting ones in there coming out of
Speaker 13: Vancouver into Chino sent out a press release that said
Speaker 13: they were going to be making custom made pajamas from
Speaker 13: the linings of their suits. And you know I know
Speaker 13: it was a bit of a joke but when I
Speaker 13: got the pitch last week and we knew it was
Speaker 13: gonna be a joke. I actually I was sort of
Speaker 13: a good idea. Same thing with kidneys that came out
Speaker 13: with one on clothing basically you know be kind of
Speaker 13: technical like the rest of kit nice. And I thought
Speaker 13: well actually I mean maybe this is a good idea.
Speaker 3: It's curious because like whenever these April first jokes happen
Speaker 3: a lot of people might complain or you know say
Speaker 3: that it takes a hit on the credibility of these companies.
Speaker 3: Is that really the case like do these brands ever
Speaker 3: hurt because maybe there's an improv first choke that doesn't
Speaker 3: go quite right.
Speaker 13: Well in the case of it in the Chino and
Speaker 13: kitten these definitely not you know I think it was
Speaker 13: fairly obvious that they were jokes and it certainly made sense.
Speaker 13: And in fact like I said I think they might
Speaker 13: have been bad ideas. However you know it's just that
Speaker 13: one today about the fly festival and you know basically
Speaker 13: they're saying they're gonna be flying into a festival we
Speaker 13: know that the festival you know ended in criminal charges
Speaker 13: fraud and we've heard a lot of news about people
Speaker 13: getting stranded but vacation provider. My first thought I just
Speaker 13: cringe I cringe myself that I thought Oh my God
Speaker 13: West Jet look you know there is such thing as
Speaker 13: West Jet vacations. You know I don't know if something
Speaker 13: just I feel like they just missed the mark with
Speaker 13: us and you know Calgary based West Jet. They're flying
Speaker 13: around western Canada and all over the world now. Yeah.
Speaker 13: I don't know sometimes you gotta be careful what you mock.
Speaker 13: And I think that there was a little tone deaf.
Speaker 13: So however they were the one I got from my
Speaker 13: condominium Web site based in central Canada. That was pretty
Speaker 13: amazing it was a dog condominium the prices were absolutely
Speaker 13: outrageous and made perfect sense for the City of Toronto
Speaker 13: ten thousand a square foot and I thought Yeah I
Speaker 13: know this is foreshadowing not a joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah I got to feel it over here in Vancouver too.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting how people love to do stuff for
Speaker 1: the Pats especially on April 1st. I cover the technology
Speaker 1: beat at the newspaper and Roku is asking me if
Speaker 1: I wanted to do like a fake news story which
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can really do that as journalists.
Speaker 1: So it had to decline but they were saying hey
Speaker 1: we're going to have streaming services for pets complete with
Speaker 1: a TV remote. Designed for pets as well so I
Speaker 1: know something about pets that people really cling on to
Speaker 1: and especially with April 1st Yeah I mean I don't
Speaker 1: even think it has to be a joke.
Speaker 13: These are things that we might actually see down the
Speaker 13: road to some degree I that we want our pets
Speaker 13: taking over our TV channels but who knows right.
Speaker 3: I mean the future is an interesting one technology wise
Speaker 3: and I just think about how some of the most
Speaker 3: popular like youtube channels are essentially like kiddie cams or
Speaker 3: just people watch cats walk around all day. So that's
Speaker 3: an interesting one. And Craig my memory is going a
Speaker 3: little bit. I maybe you can help me out with
Speaker 3: this but was it WestJet that maybe last year the
Speaker 3: year before they actually had a good April 1st joke
Speaker 3: where I think they announce that they're going to rebrand
Speaker 3: as Canadian airlines. You know that old defunct airline that
Speaker 3: we knew so well as the second largest carrier out
Speaker 3: way back in the day like what I like. That
Speaker 3: to me was like actually a good funny joke because
Speaker 3: it made people pause you go look at the Twitter
Speaker 3: outrage and you kind of see oh some people aren't
Speaker 3: in and eye and it's like a ridiculous funny sort
Speaker 3: of joke I mean some people will believe anything.
Speaker 13: I mean I think we've seen that with you know
Speaker 13: the U.S. election and otherwise. But yeah. Know I think
Speaker 13: there's differing degrees of believability. There's you know some people
Speaker 13: are more gullible than others.
Speaker 1: Well if we are talking about say you mentioned kidneys
Speaker 1: why don't we talk to one of their not quite
Speaker 1: a sibling company but a related company from the same
Speaker 1: founder I Lululemon shares when soaring last week after posting
Speaker 1: its latest financial results. If you look at their fourth
Speaker 1: quarter profit it just skyrocketed 82 percent compared to the
Speaker 1: same period last year. Landing at two hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: million dollars U.S.. The question is is Craig. Where is
Speaker 1: this big growth coming from at this point in Lululemon history.
Speaker 13: It's interesting because it's domestic growth and you know the
Speaker 13: company is also growing internationally and it's so I mean
Speaker 13: I don't want to say it surprises me how popular
Speaker 13: 9/11 is but it seems to have a cult following.
Speaker 13: I mean it's got a great product but the prices
Speaker 13: are much higher than a lot of other fashion brands
Speaker 13: and you know given the strength that we're seeing as
Speaker 13: the lemon expands globally is to me quite surprising and
Speaker 13: maybe it's because I'm not their customer. You know I
Speaker 13: I've got a few pieces. They were gifts and you
Speaker 13: know I think certain people were aware a little lemon
Speaker 13: and apparently a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Well the thing that I keep wondering though is they
Speaker 2: started to master or tuned in to the idea of
Speaker 2: the sustainable growth as opposed to trying to expand everywhere
Speaker 2: all at once and facing a lot of troubles there
Speaker 2: and we saw that say with kidneys for example have
Speaker 2: they kind of figured out the right formula about how
Speaker 2: to master growth at this point.
Speaker 13: I think so. I mean Lululemon has been quite successful
Speaker 13: in every market that has expanded into and now I
Speaker 13: mean if you think about it as long as they're
Speaker 13: able to maintain their brand popularity they're able to you
Speaker 13: know saturate at least say the continent for example with stores.
Speaker 13: I mean they're very much a direct to consumer brand
Speaker 13: in terms of you know they do this through Lululemon
Speaker 13: stores you don't see Lululemon products you know at your
Speaker 13: local base or whatever you know it's it's very focused
Speaker 13: which is why they got these higher profits they're not
Speaker 13: paying a retail middleman to distribute their merchandise but you
Speaker 13: know I think for brands like Canada Goose and like
Speaker 13: Lululemon and you know funny enough they're all Canadians that
Speaker 13: are you know growing like crazy and have this popularity.
Speaker 13: This will actually a lot more room for growth for
Speaker 13: Lululemon which I think is quite tremendous. Maybe I'll buy
Speaker 13: some stock.
Speaker 3: Well at this point you know we've had the new
Speaker 3: CEO for a number of quarters. You know is it
Speaker 3: fair for him to begin putting his own stamp on
Speaker 3: the good results. Is he still just kind of the
Speaker 3: shepherd for where the company was already going. What's your
Speaker 3: take right now.
Speaker 13: I think it's a little bit of both. I think
Speaker 13: that the company was on a great trajectory but I
Speaker 13: think Calvin is a visionary. I mean they were probably
Speaker 13: brilliant to hire him. He he himself has an image
Speaker 13: that's quite interesting I think and is also right on brand.
Speaker 13: And you know I would actually think encourage him to
Speaker 13: you know add some innovation. I mean don't reinvent the
Speaker 13: wheel Lululemon obviously is very successful as it is with
Speaker 13: its current concept. But you know certain to be a
Speaker 13: bit experimental I think I'd look to the future perhaps
Speaker 13: some sort of tack maybe dogs are involved maybe not.
Speaker 14: But you know I think that there is room for
Speaker 14: innovation and in fact you know Chip Wilson the founder
Speaker 14: I think would very much encourage that.
Speaker 13: I think he's always encouraging innovation whether or not you
Speaker 13: will listen it is another story altogether I know there's
Speaker 13: been a bit of a rift within the company and
Speaker 13: you know there's been a few battles there.
Speaker 3: Well jumping into something that I think touches everybody those
Speaker 3: course grocery there's a couple stories that we want to
Speaker 3: jump on here. The Global Mail they're reporting that there
Speaker 3: are three major grocers that are in the midst of
Speaker 3: raising prices. What's behind this increase that's going on right now.
Speaker 13: Craig I think it's a combination of factors. It's getting
Speaker 13: more expensive to operate. You know let's say gas prices
Speaker 13: for example overall production costs of food and then like
Speaker 13: a store logistics comes around it which you know I
Speaker 13: think gas prices would have something to do with that.
Speaker 13: We are seeing inflation in the country and I think
Speaker 13: that's starting to be reflected on food. You know there's
Speaker 13: also an increased demand. I think it's actually quite a
Speaker 13: complicated situation but it's not necessarily good for consumers obviously.
Speaker 2: Well the thing that I keep wondering though is we
Speaker 2: have increased pressure on say some of the Canadian incumbent
Speaker 2: grocers from the likes of C Wal-Mart or Amazon as well.
Speaker 2: Are the margins getting even thinner at this point for
Speaker 2: the grocers if they want to stay competitive in this
Speaker 2: particular market here in Canada.
Speaker 13: Yes. And sort of you know certainly groceries that are
Speaker 13: competing on price you know the margins to be very thin.
Speaker 13: And you know any competition can be a challenge to that.
Speaker 13: And we are seeing a lot of interesting grocers coming
Speaker 13: in that are doing things a bit differently and they're
Speaker 13: not necessarily competing on price. They're competing in other areas.
Speaker 13: And you know again this is stock as you know
Speaker 13: in theory we only eat so much. I mean in
Speaker 13: theory right.
Speaker 14: Sure.
Speaker 13: But you know so we would say there is a
Speaker 13: finite pie and that's actually a good word to use
Speaker 13: in this case. And you know if we're starting to
Speaker 13: cut that pie with you know for example zero waste
Speaker 13: grocery stores which is something that I think is going
Speaker 13: to be more of a phenomenon than we realize. And
Speaker 13: you know organic grocery stores specialty grocery stores we're starting
Speaker 13: to see these popping up across Canada and I think
Speaker 13: this is a real threat here.
Speaker 2: You know Loblaws for example well let's get into that
Speaker 2: a little bit because a down on Broadway there is
Speaker 2: a zero waste grocer that lunch in Vancouver. And I'm
Speaker 2: wondering what the ultimate goal is in how they're appealing
Speaker 2: to people just based on what you've seen so far
Speaker 2: as these kinds of deals expand or not deals with
Speaker 2: these sorts of business strategies expand across the country I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting because I mean it's bringing openness to
Speaker 2: the amount of waste that's produced and required I guess
Speaker 2: for the packaging and whatnot that we get with our groceries.
Speaker 13: So you know I'm thinking I do. I just take
Speaker 13: down so much recycling of packaging when I buy groceries
Speaker 13: as Negro where I am. There is a store near
Speaker 13: me that you know a zero waste. So I end
Speaker 13: up creating a lot of waste and fortunately that's almost
Speaker 13: everyone in Canada. So you know in Vancouver now the
Speaker 13: first zero waste grocery store in the country. Maybe it's
Speaker 13: not as outlandish as people think. When I when I
Speaker 13: first heard about it and I thought Oh goodness this
Speaker 13: isn't going to take that we've seen a few open
Speaker 13: across Canada and we're seeing them quite busy. They're getting
Speaker 13: a lot of press coverage on top of that. So
Speaker 13: given that we're seeing legislation coming forth from different provinces
Speaker 13: single trying to ban for example single use plastic bags
Speaker 13: and you know even single use plastic straws and water
Speaker 13: bottles perhaps all of this might end up having us
Speaker 13: shopping to a degree at least in the zero waste
Speaker 13: space even perhaps a bigger grocery stores. I think it
Speaker 13: remains to be seen if legislation comes in that this
Speaker 13: wallboard can have. You know a lot of bags you
Speaker 13: know single use bags that you're vegetables into or something
Speaker 13: like that. I don't know we may see a transition
Speaker 13: in how we shop.
Speaker 2: I'm still going to be wondering how I transport my
Speaker 2: eggs without a carton like there's got to be something
Speaker 2: out there that's I will produce zero waste but allow
Speaker 2: me to get them home without getting cracked right.
Speaker 13: Yeah. I don't know. Bring your own carton or something
Speaker 13: like that. I mean I don't know what the practicality
Speaker 13: around that is often when I get groceries that's when
Speaker 13: I get a moment in between meetings or something. So
Speaker 13: I'm not really carrying around bags and cartons and God
Speaker 13: only knows what else you would need jars I suppose
Speaker 13: or serving certain things. So you know again the practicality
Speaker 13: around it I don't know. I mean I'd love to
Speaker 13: see this succeed but you know her certain people you
Speaker 13: know this is going to be a challenge I mean
Speaker 13: for some people groceries you know as a real focused
Speaker 13: effort once a week they drive to their local grocery
Speaker 13: store and for other people they're doing it almost every
Speaker 13: day and they're within their neighborhood. So I think as
Speaker 13: long as those habits can be created even for those
Speaker 13: shoppers that are you know going constantly to the grocery
Speaker 13: store perhaps that's going to reduce waste. I mean it's
Speaker 13: certainly an admirable concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know Craig I fall into the latter camp
Speaker 1: that you're speaking about there for me. I mean I've
Speaker 1: got three grocery stores that I typically go to. They're
Speaker 1: typically either between my home and my office or else
Speaker 1: me and just maybe the community center that I often
Speaker 1: go to. And I stopped by when I have time
Speaker 1: I usually don't plan it ahead. I think if there's
Speaker 1: more pressure let's say there's an all out ban on
Speaker 1: say plastic bags. I am probably going to have to
Speaker 1: do more to plan ahead. I'm just I'm just warning
Speaker 1: how that's going to ultimately impact a lot of the
Speaker 1: habits that people have when it comes to doing groceries
Speaker 1: here in Canada moving forward.
Speaker 13: I think habits can be created. I mean we've got
Speaker 13: habits now that never existed decades ago. You know be
Speaker 13: a tech use or otherwise. So I think that you
Speaker 13: know this could translate over to how we shop for groceries.
Speaker 13: So I would never underestimate that sort of thing in
Speaker 13: terms of maybe at some point a company will develop
Speaker 13: some sort of pressure sales system where we'll have a
Speaker 13: little package we carry around in a bag and it
Speaker 13: can deflate to cup create some sort of thing that
Speaker 13: you can shop with I don't know I mean a
Speaker 13: lot of smart people out there do open a lot
Speaker 13: of interesting technology. So I think it remains to be
Speaker 13: seen but I think once people develop habits that can
Speaker 13: keep them. Or at least that's the theory. You know
Speaker 13: weight loss a challenge for many.
Speaker 3: Well I'll just say this that pressure sealed bag you're
Speaker 3: speaking of some people might confuse that with an April
Speaker 3: Fool's joke just for today so I will hold off
Speaker 3: on going is it for their details for now.
Speaker 15: And I was being serious. I had of course. Well
Speaker 15: Craig always a pleasure thanks for joining us on the show.
Speaker 15: Thank you for having me.
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