1 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:15,020 Patrick: compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day. It's the 2 00:00:15,030 --> 00:00:17,660 Patrick: Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. 3 00:00:20,340 --> 00:00:22,730 Patrick: Welcome back to the Patrick Madrid show our three has 4 00:00:22,730 --> 00:00:25,710 Patrick: just started and you are invited to participate if you 5 00:00:25,710 --> 00:00:28,760 Patrick: give me a call, my number is 888914 6 00:00:29,140 --> 00:00:34,970 Patrick: 9149. Let's get to lisa now in bed indoors Iowa. 7 00:00:34,979 --> 00:00:36,960 Patrick: Do I have the name? Right? Is it bed indoors, 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,560 Patrick: is that right? 9 00:00:38,740 --> 00:00:40,760 Caller Lisa: It's benton dorf ends with an f 10 00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:46,320 Patrick: ha ha it was misspelled. Sorry about that. Well, welcome lisa. 11 00:00:46,330 --> 00:00:49,750 Caller Lisa: Oh, that's okay, thank you. Um, I was just calling 12 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:53,659 Caller Lisa: in response to the gentleman that called about the real 13 00:00:53,659 --> 00:00:56,560 Caller Lisa: estate agent that told his friend to remove 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,040 Caller Lisa: any crucifixes or religious items to sell her home and 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,460 Caller Lisa: she was uneasy about it. 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,210 Caller Lisa: Um, I am a realtor and a couple of years 17 00:01:07,209 --> 00:01:09,850 Caller Lisa: ago before the market was super hot like it is now. 18 00:01:10,340 --> 00:01:12,750 Caller Lisa: Um, I had a dear friend who was listing her 19 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:15,050 Caller Lisa: house and she had a prayer room and 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,380 Caller Lisa: the statue of the blessed virgin mary and a crucifix 21 00:01:18,380 --> 00:01:22,100 Caller Lisa: and we left everything there didn't make a change. And 22 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,660 Caller Lisa: within a few days we got a full price offer 23 00:01:24,670 --> 00:01:27,640 Caller Lisa: with an escalation clause that basically says they're willing to 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,759 Caller Lisa: go up to a certain amount if there's competing offers. 25 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,860 Caller Lisa: And obviously we accepted that offer and as the closing 26 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:38,210 Caller Lisa: process went through and we got to know the buyer 27 00:01:38,209 --> 00:01:41,650 Caller Lisa: a little bit better. Um, found out that the reason 28 00:01:41,650 --> 00:01:44,890 Caller Lisa: they were so confident in their decision and their offer 29 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:48,180 Caller Lisa: was because they saw the honor that was given to 30 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:50,060 Caller Lisa: our blessed mother in that home. 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,860 Caller Lisa: So kind of an agreement with what you said, it 32 00:01:52,860 --> 00:01:54,460 Caller Lisa: can have the other effect as well. 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,760 Patrick: Yeah, so that that's what came to my mind lisa 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,790 Patrick: was that if I were the buyer, the potential buyer 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,010 Patrick: and I saw a home that had a cross or 36 00:02:04,010 --> 00:02:06,160 Patrick: a crucifix in it, I would be more interested 37 00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:09,920 Patrick: because I know that they honor jesus there. So yeah, 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:10,510 Patrick: I'm happy to hear 39 00:02:10,510 --> 00:02:11,560 Caller Lisa: that. 40 00:02:12,139 --> 00:02:15,850 Caller Lisa: And it could be an opportunity for his friend to 41 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:18,760 Caller Lisa: evangelize her realtor a little bit and 42 00:02:19,230 --> 00:02:21,890 Caller Lisa: you know, witness to her faith and her confidence in 43 00:02:21,889 --> 00:02:22,860 Caller Lisa: her trust that 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,510 Caller Lisa: if this is within the will of God, it's gonna 45 00:02:25,510 --> 00:02:26,150 Caller Lisa: work out 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:27,960 Caller Lisa: even better than we expect. 47 00:02:30,139 --> 00:02:33,060 Patrick: Yes, I mean nothing I can add to that. It's 48 00:02:33,060 --> 00:02:36,130 Patrick: exactly right. Hey, a little bit off topic but not 49 00:02:36,130 --> 00:02:37,250 Patrick: entirely off topic. 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,850 Patrick: You're a real estate agent, right? Do you ever have 51 00:02:39,850 --> 00:02:42,800 Patrick: people asking you to bury a statue of ST joseph 52 00:02:42,810 --> 00:02:45,430 Patrick: upside down in the backyard to sell the house? 53 00:02:45,460 --> 00:02:49,250 Caller Lisa: You know, I really haven't um very much, 54 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:50,660 Caller Lisa: you know, I just 55 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,790 Caller Lisa: hasn't really come up. I've had friends ask and stuff, 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Caller Lisa: but 57 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,610 Caller Lisa: you know, it's it's not a big thing, at least 58 00:02:57,610 --> 00:02:59,260 Caller Lisa: in my experience so far. 59 00:02:59,350 --> 00:03:02,280 Patrick: That's good. That's good. I'm really down on that. It's 60 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,549 Patrick: a it's a superstition 61 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,650 Patrick: that I can understand. But it's a superstition, I was 62 00:03:06,650 --> 00:03:08,989 Patrick: just curious sort of anecdotally if it's something that you've 63 00:03:08,990 --> 00:03:11,220 Patrick: run into. I know other real estate agents have told 64 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:13,530 Patrick: me in some cases that they do it, they even 65 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:14,359 Patrick: suggest it. 66 00:03:14,940 --> 00:03:17,720 Patrick: But other real estate agents that I've known have said 67 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,600 Patrick: that other people request it, but I would give that 68 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,860 Patrick: a thumbs down personally. 69 00:03:23,430 --> 00:03:24,260 Caller Lisa: I agree. 70 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,750 Patrick: Well, hey, thank you lisa nice chatting with you. I 71 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:30,090 Patrick: appreciate it very much and I'm happy to know that 72 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:32,299 Patrick: those people sold their house. Yes, Is it okay to 73 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:34,589 Patrick: do that? I mean if it's just for fun, I 74 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:35,250 Patrick: mean I'm not 75 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,050 Patrick: not like a true belief is just like, yeah this 76 00:03:38,050 --> 00:03:40,780 Patrick: is this is fun, we're doing this with the kids. 77 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,190 Patrick: Here's my take on that. You talked about bearing the 78 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:45,220 Patrick: statue of Saint joseph. 79 00:03:46,140 --> 00:03:48,870 Patrick: Yeah, so my take on that is that it's it's 80 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:50,010 Patrick: superstition 81 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,900 Patrick: because it is um the mindset that God will only 82 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:58,050 Patrick: do something or in this case ST joseph will only 83 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:00,660 Patrick: do something for me if I do this thing 84 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,870 Patrick: and it's not even like a prayer or anything, it's 85 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:07,860 Patrick: not even really an active devotion. It's a it's a 86 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:08,960 Patrick: superstition 87 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,720 Patrick: to think that if you bury the statue of Saint joseph, 88 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:14,960 Patrick: I've heard people say you gotta bury upside down, 89 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,349 Patrick: you've got to bury in the backyard, you gotta bury 90 00:04:17,350 --> 00:04:18,339 Patrick: in the front yard. 91 00:04:19,540 --> 00:04:23,860 Patrick: That's superstition because it's the erroneous notion that ST joseph 92 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:25,779 Patrick: is just waiting to help you sell your house but 93 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:28,479 Patrick: you didn't bury the statue. So sorry, I'm not gonna 94 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:28,750 Patrick: help you, 95 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:33,260 Patrick: I'll give you my personalized answer to your question, Cyrus. 96 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:36,370 Patrick: We had a house, I think I've told this story before, 97 00:04:36,370 --> 00:04:37,900 Patrick: but it's been a while, we had a house in 98 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:38,960 Patrick: southern California 99 00:04:39,339 --> 00:04:41,330 Patrick: that we had a really hard time selling because it 100 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:43,750 Patrick: was during a time when the economy was not great 101 00:04:44,339 --> 00:04:47,849 Patrick: and we were pretty poor, so we didn't have money 102 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:50,980 Patrick: to like invest in in brightening up the curb appeal 103 00:04:50,980 --> 00:04:52,630 Patrick: or anything. It was a fine little house, but it 104 00:04:52,630 --> 00:04:53,550 Patrick: wasn't anything 105 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:56,560 Patrick: special and we didn't have money to make it look 106 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,929 Patrick: any better than it already did. We kept it clean, 107 00:04:58,930 --> 00:05:00,960 Patrick: it looked nice in that sense, but that's about it. 108 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,859 Patrick: And this house sat on the market and sat on 109 00:05:03,860 --> 00:05:05,780 Patrick: the market, it was on the market for a year, 110 00:05:05,779 --> 00:05:09,130 Patrick: we didn't get any nibbles, we didn't get any bites. 111 00:05:09,130 --> 00:05:11,050 Patrick: There was nothing, it just, it was very 112 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Patrick: um it was very demoralizing because you know, I I 113 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,860 Patrick: wanted to live closer 114 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,430 Patrick: to where I worked and I worked at catholic answers 115 00:05:19,430 --> 00:05:20,950 Patrick: at that time in san Diego. So I had a 116 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:23,010 Patrick: really long commute and it was very 117 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:28,120 Patrick: tedious and exhausting. So it was demoralizing because over a 118 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,960 Patrick: year went by and we just couldn't sell this house 119 00:05:30,740 --> 00:05:33,240 Patrick: and that was the first time I had ever heard 120 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,200 Patrick: of this superstition of bearing a ST joseph statue because 121 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,469 Patrick: somebody recommended it. I think it was someone recommended it 122 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:40,550 Patrick: to nancy, 123 00:05:41,339 --> 00:05:43,479 Patrick: you know, just bury the statue of ST joseph and 124 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,470 Patrick: you'll sell your house 125 00:05:45,339 --> 00:05:47,340 Patrick: and she and I looked at each other and sort 126 00:05:47,339 --> 00:05:49,560 Patrick: of rolled our eyes and we both 127 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:55,450 Patrick: agreed that that's superstition, we're not going to do that. 128 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,260 Patrick: So instead we started a novena to ST joseph, 129 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,060 Patrick: you know that's good. Ask Saint joseph, 130 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,050 Patrick: ask him, can you pray for us and help us 131 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:08,240 Patrick: and we really need to sell this house, can you 132 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:08,859 Patrick: help us with that? 133 00:06:09,339 --> 00:06:11,040 Patrick: So we started in November. It was a nine day 134 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:11,650 Patrick: novena 135 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:17,660 Patrick: And it ended on March 19, the feast of ST Joseph. 136 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Patrick: And after that long miserable drought of no nibbles or anything, 137 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:26,640 Patrick: we sold the house that day. The last day of 138 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,260 Patrick: the novena the household, 139 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,550 Patrick: there was somebody who came by, they looked at it 140 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:32,560 Patrick: the day before 141 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:36,240 Patrick: they placed an offer that was I think it was 142 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,230 Patrick: our asking price. 143 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,030 Patrick: They placed an offer on the house and we sold 144 00:06:40,029 --> 00:06:41,609 Patrick: the house and it was the last day of the novena. 145 00:06:41,610 --> 00:06:44,700 Patrick: So I took that as ST joseph given me an 146 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:45,349 Patrick: Atta boy 147 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,350 Patrick: like Atta boy. You did it the right way. 148 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,960 Patrick: You know you didn't bury my statue, 149 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:54,660 Patrick: you you asked me to help you, you prayed a 150 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:55,740 Patrick: novena and he helped us. 151 00:06:56,339 --> 00:06:59,320 Patrick: So that's cool. Don't you think that's cool. I've heard 152 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,150 Patrick: stories of where people bury it and lo and behold 153 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,090 Patrick: there they so they immediately set to sell their house. 154 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:07,350 Patrick: So I mean I have to 155 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Patrick: I have heard of those stories too and there are 156 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,990 Patrick: people who swear by it, there are people who absolutely 157 00:07:12,990 --> 00:07:14,760 Patrick: swear by this and they said I've done it more 158 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,850 Patrick: than once and I sold my house and you know, 159 00:07:16,860 --> 00:07:19,490 Patrick: so I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna argue with anybody 160 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:22,000 Patrick: because if it happened it happened, but all I'm saying 161 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,960 Patrick: is that it that's that is um 162 00:07:25,340 --> 00:07:28,750 Patrick: falling into a kind of superstition that I think is 163 00:07:29,940 --> 00:07:31,590 Patrick: now you're about to admit that you did it, is 164 00:07:31,590 --> 00:07:37,260 Patrick: that what you're about to say? Did you bury him? 165 00:07:37,940 --> 00:07:41,260 Patrick: Oh I've got something new now that I can grill 166 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:42,650 Patrick: you on 167 00:07:43,340 --> 00:07:46,180 Patrick: alright, you were hoping I would say that oh it's okay, 168 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:46,850 Patrick: so you could 169 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,890 Patrick: oh I know better, I get it. Okay, let's go, 170 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:54,860 Patrick: let's go to trip now in san Antonio high trip 171 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,260 Patrick: hey how are you doing? 172 00:07:58,430 --> 00:07:59,660 Patrick: I'm doing well, thank you. 173 00:08:01,340 --> 00:08:05,120 Patrick: Um My question is um I found you on the 174 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,350 Patrick: radio by 175 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,640 Patrick: trying to get another station and you came up and 176 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,960 Patrick: I started listening and got interested 177 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:12,590 Caller Lisa: and 178 00:08:12,590 --> 00:08:14,750 Patrick: this has been about three weeks ago 179 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,050 Patrick: and um 180 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:20,650 Patrick: I feel like the Holy Spirit 181 00:08:21,340 --> 00:08:21,650 Caller Lisa: is 182 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:24,060 Patrick: guiding me to 183 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,950 Patrick: become a member of the catholic church. 184 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,560 Patrick: Beautiful, 185 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,340 Patrick: I'm happy to hear that and it just took three 186 00:08:33,340 --> 00:08:34,050 Patrick: weeks huh? 187 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:37,860 Caller Lisa: Um 188 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:39,330 Caller Lisa: Yeah, 189 00:08:39,340 --> 00:08:41,050 Patrick: I am 190 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,020 Patrick: really close to God and jesus, I feel all the 191 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:46,550 Patrick: time 192 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:47,719 Caller Lisa: and 193 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,359 Patrick: this has been for years, 194 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:54,160 Patrick: but um I have, I'm a protestant and I 195 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Patrick: been members of different protestant churches and I just have 196 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,059 Patrick: never felt 197 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:01,350 Patrick: firstly all. 198 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:03,750 Patrick: And so 199 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,450 Patrick: I feel like um 200 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,960 Patrick: the spirit is guiding me 201 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,790 Patrick: to go to the catholic church and learn how to 202 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:15,360 Patrick: be 203 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:19,710 Patrick: a catholic and I really don't know a whole lot 204 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:20,100 Patrick: about 205 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:20,250 Caller Lisa: it. 206 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,160 Patrick: Mm hmm. 207 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,829 Patrick: I can understand. So number one 208 00:09:26,940 --> 00:09:32,069 Patrick: you're welcome here at relevant radio trip. Your your questions. 209 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Patrick: Um definitely keep listening and there's a lot of programming 210 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,650 Patrick: as you've probably discovered throughout the day 211 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,530 Patrick: that's geared toward helping you know more about the catholic 212 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:41,760 Patrick: church to know more about 213 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:45,950 Patrick: the sacraments and all the other things that are involved. 214 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,560 Patrick: So definitely please keep listening 215 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:53,720 Patrick: if you're wondering like where do you go from here? 216 00:09:53,730 --> 00:09:54,450 Patrick: Go ahead trip. 217 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,060 Patrick: Um Yeah, my brother in law, he 218 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,160 Patrick: he's in Houston 219 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:02,460 Patrick: and he's um 220 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Patrick: catholic and he's been on his life 221 00:10:05,140 --> 00:10:07,810 Patrick: and so when we were talking, he was mentioning certain 222 00:10:07,809 --> 00:10:11,610 Patrick: things and I told him I'm lost and he said 223 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:15,150 Patrick: you just need to go and learn 224 00:10:15,150 --> 00:10:15,550 Caller Lisa: more. 225 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,160 Patrick: Mm hmm. 226 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:20,709 Patrick: Well, it's good for him. Maybe maybe you can talk 227 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:22,150 Patrick: with him about what you're learning here 228 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,160 Patrick: on relevant radios. So 229 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,750 Patrick: obviously you probably are coming to this with a lot 230 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:31,590 Patrick: of questions or things about the catholic church that don't 231 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:32,050 Patrick: really 232 00:10:32,540 --> 00:10:33,790 Patrick: make a lot of sense. 233 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,559 Patrick: So, you know when you see an old church with 234 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Patrick: beautiful stained glass windows when you're inside the church and 235 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,459 Patrick: the light is streaming through the stained glass windows, they're 236 00:10:42,460 --> 00:10:43,150 Patrick: beautiful 237 00:10:43,540 --> 00:10:45,449 Patrick: and you can see the colors and you can see 238 00:10:45,450 --> 00:10:48,800 Patrick: the meaning of the stained glass, what what it's depicting, 239 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:52,090 Patrick: but if you were outside that same church looking at 240 00:10:52,090 --> 00:10:55,200 Patrick: the same windows, but from the outside without any sunlight 241 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:55,910 Patrick: coming through it, 242 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,700 Patrick: those same windows would appear dark and probably unintelligible. Like, 243 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:03,270 Patrick: you know, I don't even know what this is supposed 244 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:04,460 Patrick: to be, but it's all 245 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,260 Patrick: just pieces of glass and it's dark. Well I think 246 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:09,000 Patrick: for many people and this might describe you 247 00:11:10,140 --> 00:11:13,260 Patrick: for those outside the catholic church, it's kind of like 248 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:15,570 Patrick: looking at those stained glass windows from the outside and 249 00:11:15,570 --> 00:11:16,460 Patrick: it doesn't really 250 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:18,679 Patrick: move you, it doesn't really 251 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,120 Patrick: strike you or inspire you, but when you go around 252 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,290 Patrick: and go inside 253 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:26,010 Patrick: and you look at it from there, then you start 254 00:11:26,010 --> 00:11:27,250 Patrick: to appreciate the beauty of it. 255 00:11:27,740 --> 00:11:30,559 Patrick: And I think that's what this process will involve for you. 256 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:33,800 Patrick: As as you read books, I can recommend a few 257 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,449 Patrick: if you'd like 258 00:11:34,940 --> 00:11:38,940 Patrick: read some books, listen to relevant radio, um I can 259 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:41,470 Patrick: send you to a great place to get some digital 260 00:11:41,470 --> 00:11:44,750 Patrick: downloads talks on different aspects of the catholic faith. 261 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,300 Patrick: Um These are all things that I think little by 262 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:49,610 Patrick: little you're gonna say, oh my gosh, I never realized 263 00:11:49,610 --> 00:11:52,380 Patrick: that or now I understand what they mean by that, 264 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:53,060 Patrick: that kind of thing. 265 00:11:54,140 --> 00:11:56,780 Patrick: So you want a couple of suggestions. 266 00:11:57,740 --> 00:11:58,459 Patrick: Yes sir. 267 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:03,510 Patrick: Okay, well um it just so happens that I read 268 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,390 Patrick: or that I've written some books on this topic. So 269 00:12:06,390 --> 00:12:09,230 Patrick: I'll start there if you don't mind. The first book 270 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:11,960 Patrick: I would recommend to you is called surprised by Truth 271 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:15,500 Patrick: and it's the it's the first one in the series. 272 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:18,770 Patrick: So surprised by Truth. 11 converts give the biblical and 273 00:12:18,770 --> 00:12:20,850 Patrick: historical reasons for becoming catholic, 274 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,500 Patrick: I would say if you want to start with any book, 275 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:27,280 Patrick: start with that one, because it traces the journey of 276 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,690 Patrick: people like you who were protestant, They were evangelical protestant 277 00:12:30,690 --> 00:12:33,290 Patrick: and in some cases they really didn't like the catholic 278 00:12:33,290 --> 00:12:34,059 Patrick: church at all. 279 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,810 Patrick: And they were strongly against it for doctrinal reasons and 280 00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:41,460 Patrick: each of them in their own way wound up becoming catholic. 281 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:44,510 Patrick: So as they tell their stories as they work through 282 00:12:44,510 --> 00:12:46,580 Patrick: a lot of these arguments that they used to have 283 00:12:46,580 --> 00:12:48,959 Patrick: or their objections or their misconceptions 284 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:51,060 Patrick: and it's a fascinating read. 285 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,970 Patrick: And I suspect if you if you dig into that book, 286 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,349 Patrick: maybe some of your own questions or 287 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,260 Patrick: misunderstandings might be reflected there. 288 00:13:00,940 --> 00:13:04,260 Patrick: Then I wrote another book, it's called The catholic 289 00:13:04,940 --> 00:13:08,070 Patrick: 10 answers to a very important question and that's published 290 00:13:08,070 --> 00:13:08,959 Patrick: by doubleday 291 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Patrick: and that's sort of my elevator speech, 292 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:14,250 Patrick: It takes a little more than 30 seconds, but that's 293 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:15,700 Patrick: my elevator speech, in 294 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,150 Patrick: you know, if if you and I were talking and 295 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:21,380 Patrick: you said, well why should I become a catholic? I 296 00:13:21,390 --> 00:13:23,380 Patrick: could hand you the book, but the things in the 297 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:25,700 Patrick: book are the things I would talk about. You know 298 00:13:25,710 --> 00:13:28,459 Patrick: like like the Eucharist and the church's history and so forth. 299 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,520 Patrick: So that would be a good one. Now let me 300 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,560 Patrick: send you to 301 00:13:32,140 --> 00:13:38,650 Patrick: Lighthouse catholic media. It's a repository of good catholic talks 302 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,960 Patrick: on many many different topics. It's exhaustive. And so if 303 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,819 Patrick: you go over there you can order them by C. D. 304 00:13:45,820 --> 00:13:47,929 Patrick: If you want. But you can also order them even 305 00:13:47,929 --> 00:13:50,560 Patrick: cheaper and they're they're very inexpensive to begin with. 306 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,250 Patrick: You can order them as digital downloads. So what what 307 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:56,790 Patrick: you could do is you could go through the topics 308 00:13:56,790 --> 00:13:58,060 Patrick: and see what interests you 309 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,290 Patrick: could be, church history could be the Papacy could be 310 00:14:01,290 --> 00:14:04,900 Patrick: the Eucharist could be merry and then maybe try those 311 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:05,150 Patrick: out 312 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:07,360 Patrick: and those are typically about an hour long. 313 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:12,480 Patrick: Um I would definitely say keep listening to relevant radio 314 00:14:12,490 --> 00:14:14,960 Patrick: because here you will find 315 00:14:15,340 --> 00:14:19,360 Patrick: just about every topic imaginable that pertains to jesus 316 00:14:19,740 --> 00:14:22,370 Patrick: and the gospel. You're going to hear it here and 317 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:23,760 Patrick: we'll do our very best to help you. 318 00:14:26,140 --> 00:14:29,520 Patrick: What's so funny is years ago my brother in law 319 00:14:29,530 --> 00:14:31,060 Patrick: had been talking about 320 00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:33,860 Patrick: that's sister Lucia 321 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,880 Patrick: and the Three Secrets and Camera. And it is so 322 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,460 Patrick: funny that this is 323 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:43,850 Patrick: is come about just lately 324 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,040 Patrick: about that going on and he had told me years 325 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:48,740 Patrick: ago about 326 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:50,340 Caller Lisa: that 327 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,670 Patrick: interesting. 328 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,850 Patrick: Yeah you know another thing too is that when the 329 00:14:56,850 --> 00:15:01,050 Patrick: time comes um I would like to be able to 330 00:15:01,050 --> 00:15:01,850 Patrick: refer you 331 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,660 Patrick: to a priest or a parish and I've been to 332 00:15:05,660 --> 00:15:08,410 Patrick: san Antonio a million times, but I don't really know 333 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:09,450 Patrick: the lay of the land 334 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,480 Patrick: um by you know like parishes and such, so when 335 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,100 Patrick: the time comes you just keep this in your back 336 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:18,560 Patrick: pocket and if you would like to be in touch 337 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,260 Patrick: with the catholic priest, I have friends from san Antonio 338 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,610 Patrick: and I can ask them, you know, are there any 339 00:15:24,610 --> 00:15:27,990 Patrick: particular dynamic parishes that would be a good place to, 340 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,520 Patrick: you know, get tripped plugged in, we don't have to 341 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,270 Patrick: do that now, but when you're ready give me a 342 00:15:32,270 --> 00:15:36,200 Patrick: call back and I can, I can get that for you, 343 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,350 Patrick: get you in touch with people who can help in 344 00:15:38,350 --> 00:15:40,400 Patrick: that regard. Okay, because that would be your next step, 345 00:15:40,410 --> 00:15:42,060 Patrick: I would say start going to mass, 346 00:15:42,540 --> 00:15:45,790 Patrick: you know, don't receive communion because you know that's for 347 00:15:45,790 --> 00:15:47,720 Patrick: when you're catholic, but go to mass and and and 348 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,660 Patrick: sit and watch and pray and see what happens and understand, 349 00:15:52,140 --> 00:15:55,540 Patrick: you know that this is that miracle of transubstantiation when 350 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,470 Patrick: the body and blood of christ replace the bread and 351 00:15:59,470 --> 00:16:02,160 Patrick: the wine on the altar that really becomes jesus. 352 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:04,600 Patrick: Um so going to mass would be a big help 353 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:05,460 Patrick: as well. 354 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:07,150 Patrick: Okay, great, 355 00:16:08,540 --> 00:16:09,160 Patrick: all right, 356 00:16:09,740 --> 00:16:13,760 Patrick: well tripped, just pray for me, 357 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,460 Patrick: you got that for sure. We'll add you to our 358 00:16:17,460 --> 00:16:20,120 Patrick: prayer list today, I promise you and I look forward 359 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,670 Patrick: to hearing from you again down the road, let me 360 00:16:22,670 --> 00:16:24,340 Patrick: know what we can do next and we will do 361 00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:26,630 Patrick: it for you quick time out and we'll be right 362 00:16:26,630 --> 00:16:34,060 Patrick: back right after this. 363 00:16:34,340 --> 00:16:43,160 Patrick: Here comes the sun. It's alright, 364 00:16:44,140 --> 00:16:47,180 Patrick: catholic order of foresters is proud to sponsor the relevant 365 00:16:47,180 --> 00:16:51,150 Patrick: radio studio line for information about employment opportunities and flexible 366 00:16:51,150 --> 00:16:55,210 Patrick: premium life insurance plans, visit relevant radio dot com slash 367 00:16:55,210 --> 00:16:56,650 Patrick: Forrester 368 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,200 Patrick: real life solutions. You can believe in the Patrick Madrid 369 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,050 Patrick: show on relevant radio. 370 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:12,890 Patrick: That's what the people in California are saying. 371 00:17:13,940 --> 00:17:19,420 Patrick: Um Gavin Newsom announced that he may be sending out 372 00:17:19,420 --> 00:17:20,860 Patrick: $400 rebate 373 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:25,760 Patrick: prepaid credit cards to offset the rising price of gasoline 374 00:17:25,780 --> 00:17:26,670 Patrick: in California. 375 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,080 Patrick: I mean if I were a California citizen, I would 376 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,570 Patrick: be happy to get $400 to defray the cost of gas. 377 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,360 Patrick: Um 378 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Patrick: He should be on the money. 379 00:17:39,140 --> 00:17:42,290 Patrick: Well I wonder if maybe he might want people to 380 00:17:42,290 --> 00:17:45,180 Patrick: like him more and maybe like vote for him in 381 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:48,350 Patrick: an election you don't think 382 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:49,859 Patrick: is that far fetched? 383 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,919 Patrick: That's far fetched. Yeah he would he wouldn't do it 384 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,359 Patrick: for that. 385 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,460 Patrick: Um How about just eliminate the gas tax? 386 00:17:57,940 --> 00:18:00,820 Patrick: Just chop it off, you know, so reduce it by 387 00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:02,770 Patrick: maybe $0.50 a gallon. I don't know but 388 00:18:03,740 --> 00:18:07,190 Patrick: uh it's been announced so that may be happening and 389 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,820 Patrick: no doubt that the people who are driving cars in 390 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:12,949 Patrick: California where gas prices are the highest in the country. 391 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,949 Patrick: Um I'm sure they're going to be happy about that 392 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,770 Patrick: 88 9149149. How about Callie now in Chandler Arizona. Hi, Callie. 393 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,560 Caller Lisa: Hi, good morning Patrick. 394 00:18:25,340 --> 00:18:27,770 Caller Lisa: My question is, I was listening. 395 00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:30,929 Caller Lisa: Thank you. I was listening to when you were giving 396 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:34,359 Caller Lisa: the analogy of the soldier, you know, when it's murder 397 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,170 Caller Lisa: and when it's not, 398 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,830 Caller Lisa: and I understood that part, but I was wondering what 399 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,760 Caller Lisa: is the moral culpability 400 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,950 Caller Lisa: for a soldier who was ordered to fire on unarmed civilians? 401 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,949 Patrick: You disobey the order, But you can go about it 402 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,850 Patrick: in a way that 403 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:54,800 Patrick: you can be clever about it. So you can, you know, 404 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,270 Patrick: intentionally miss, you know, shoot high, you know, 405 00:18:59,140 --> 00:19:01,650 Patrick: you could be ordered to do something that, you know, 406 00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:06,290 Patrick: is immoral, like, you know, women and Children, men, old people, whoever, 407 00:19:06,290 --> 00:19:08,050 Patrick: if you see somebody out in the street, shoot them. 408 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,670 Patrick: Well, you can just suddenly become a really bad shot 409 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:15,050 Patrick: and intentionally miss. You know, 410 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,359 Patrick: that's one way to do it. 411 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,609 Patrick: You could say no, I'm not going to do that. 412 00:19:20,609 --> 00:19:23,730 Patrick: And then you're, you know, commanding officer draws his pistol 413 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:24,770 Patrick: and shoot you in the head. 414 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,710 Patrick: That's one. And that's another way to handle it. But 415 00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:29,970 Patrick: I'd prefer not to do it that way. So if 416 00:19:29,970 --> 00:19:32,060 Patrick: it were me, if I were a Russian soldier being 417 00:19:32,060 --> 00:19:35,980 Patrick: being ordered to shoot civilians, I would definitely not shoot civilians, 418 00:19:35,980 --> 00:19:37,690 Patrick: but I would I might give the appearance that I 419 00:19:37,690 --> 00:19:38,770 Patrick: was shooting at something. 420 00:19:40,340 --> 00:19:40,760 Patrick: You know, 421 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,859 Patrick: I would, I would, you know, you could defect, 422 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,159 Patrick: you could find someone to surrender to 423 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:52,659 Patrick: now, that's, you know, that's what's interesting about that kelly, 424 00:19:53,740 --> 00:19:56,399 Patrick: that's really dicey. Because have you seen some of the 425 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,160 Patrick: videos of what the Ukrainians are doing, not, not just 426 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,450 Patrick: to Russians, but even to their own people who won't fight. 427 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,379 Patrick: You know, it's really terrible and it conflicts with the, 428 00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:08,359 Patrick: with the narrative about, oh gosh, I mean, 429 00:20:08,890 --> 00:20:09,770 Patrick: in a way that 430 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:11,730 Patrick: in a way you should see them, but in a 431 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:13,410 Patrick: way maybe you shouldn't see them because 432 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,780 Patrick: although you're not gonna see any bloodshed, what you'll see countless, 433 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:21,850 Patrick: countless videos of in Ukraine of Ukrainian citizens, 434 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,050 Patrick: like duct taping people to um 435 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,810 Patrick: like, like poles, you know, like, like where there would 436 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:31,360 Patrick: be a stop sign or something on on the street, 437 00:20:31,369 --> 00:20:33,660 Patrick: they pull their pants down around their ankles 438 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,850 Patrick: and they leave them tied up. Or really, they're sort 439 00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:41,350 Patrick: of duct taped or they use cling wrap and they 440 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,960 Patrick: wrapped them around these poles and so they're standing up, 441 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,090 Patrick: you know, naked from the waist down 442 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,910 Patrick: and people come along and kick them, they hit them 443 00:20:50,910 --> 00:20:54,200 Patrick: with sticks, they beat them and now these are people 444 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,560 Patrick: at least purportedly 445 00:20:55,940 --> 00:20:58,359 Patrick: who refused to fight or they 446 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,540 Patrick: they've done something else that's objectionable, but I mean, this 447 00:21:01,540 --> 00:21:05,359 Patrick: is a brutal situation and the brutality is not just 448 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,280 Patrick: coming from the Russians, there's a lot of brutality from 449 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:11,980 Patrick: some of the Ukrainians toward other people. So when I 450 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:14,159 Patrick: said a minute ago that you could defect as a 451 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,850 Patrick: Russian Russian soldier. 452 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:18,129 Patrick: That might not be 453 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,350 Patrick: a safe way to go about it. 454 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:24,979 Patrick: So that's probably what I would do. I'd probably shoot 455 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:28,169 Patrick: to miss if I had an immoral order like that. 456 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,270 Caller Lisa: Thank you Patrick, 457 00:21:32,540 --> 00:21:33,170 Patrick: you're welcome. 458 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,000 Patrick: Yeah. And if you want to see those videos, you 459 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,180 Patrick: can find them on social media. They're not hard to find. 460 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:39,359 Patrick: But they are hard to watch though. 461 00:21:39,940 --> 00:21:43,770 Patrick: You know, it's it's really hard to watch somebody who's 462 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:45,270 Patrick: immobilized 463 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,460 Patrick: and being struck repeatedly 464 00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:50,490 Patrick: on the buttocks 465 00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:53,740 Patrick: as forrest gump would say. Of course it's not funny, 466 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:55,860 Patrick: but I mean they can't get away from it. 467 00:21:56,740 --> 00:22:01,379 Patrick: And some people are merciless in their their retribution against 468 00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:03,360 Patrick: these people. So I don't claim to understand it 469 00:22:03,940 --> 00:22:08,170 Patrick: human inhumanity to other human beings. Man's inhumanity to man. 470 00:22:08,740 --> 00:22:09,670 Patrick: That's what I call it. 471 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,670 Patrick: Thank you for the call. Let's go to Dave now, 472 00:22:12,670 --> 00:22:14,670 Patrick: waiting patiently in Chicago. Hi, Dave. 473 00:22:16,140 --> 00:22:17,160 Patrick: Good morning Patrick. 474 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,270 Patrick: Well, my question for you is the prayer for cancer creation. 475 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:24,240 Patrick: Is that a formula prayer. Is that the prayer that 476 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,460 Patrick: came from our blessed my mother? What prayer is that? 477 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,240 Patrick: Okay? No, it did not come from her. It's not 478 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,410 Patrick: a formula prayer in the sense that it has been 479 00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:35,360 Patrick: around for any length of time, 480 00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:38,260 Patrick: as I understand. It was recently composed, 481 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,720 Patrick: I don't know if it was composed by Pope Francis 482 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,169 Patrick: directly or partly, 483 00:22:43,140 --> 00:22:45,060 Patrick: but it's it's a new prayer. 484 00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:47,950 Caller Lisa: Did you hear this? I 485 00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:49,350 Patrick: heard from this person that 486 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,480 Caller Lisa: when ST 487 00:22:50,490 --> 00:22:52,860 Patrick: john paul the second consecrated Russia, 488 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,040 Caller Lisa: he didn't do 489 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,170 Patrick: it completely and there, but it was accepted 490 00:22:58,740 --> 00:22:59,560 Patrick: in Heaven's 491 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,170 Patrick: and 492 00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:04,159 Patrick: I was surprised to hear that. Did you ever hear that? 493 00:23:04,940 --> 00:23:08,410 Patrick: Oh yeah, this is one of those raging controversies that's 494 00:23:08,410 --> 00:23:08,960 Patrick: been 495 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:12,190 Patrick: raging since that time. And that is that Pope john 496 00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:14,460 Patrick: paul the second when he consecrated the world, 497 00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:19,070 Patrick: um why didn't he consecrate Russia by name? And then 498 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,859 Patrick: sister Lucia in interviews that she did with 499 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,930 Patrick: figures in the church cardinals who would visit her for example, 500 00:23:25,930 --> 00:23:28,510 Patrick: and they'd ask her, I mean, did this fulfill 501 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,980 Patrick: the request? And she said several times, yes, this fulfilled 502 00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:35,560 Patrick: a request that from everything she could see it fulfilled 503 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,459 Patrick: the request. It wasn't exactly the way 504 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,380 Patrick: or a lady asked for it, but it was sufficient 505 00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:43,060 Patrick: and fulfilled it. But there are people for whom that is, 506 00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:46,250 Patrick: they just don't accept that and I don't get into 507 00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,770 Patrick: those controversies, I think they're futile. 508 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,060 Patrick: But there are people who would say absolutely not 509 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,260 Patrick: because I think if it wasn't accepted 510 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,770 Patrick: then the soviet union would have collapsed. 511 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:58,540 Patrick: But 512 00:23:58,540 --> 00:23:59,670 Caller Lisa: anyway, my next 513 00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:00,399 Patrick: question is 514 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,659 Patrick: then therefore, because the Holy Father puts humanity in the 515 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:06,859 Patrick: prayer of the consecration this time, 516 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:10,170 Patrick: That should be effective, correct? 517 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,490 Patrick: Well, the adding of the, of the phrase humanity for 518 00:24:15,490 --> 00:24:16,449 Patrick: all humanity. 519 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,270 Patrick: As I understand it kind of following the timeline in 520 00:24:19,270 --> 00:24:20,350 Patrick: the last week or so. 521 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,050 Patrick: My understanding is that that was in addition, 522 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,959 Patrick: that was interpolated into that prayer. 523 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:28,960 Patrick: It wasn't originally there 524 00:24:29,540 --> 00:24:31,270 Patrick: and so it was added to it. 525 00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:34,420 Patrick: Now all I can tell you is not being pope 526 00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:37,070 Patrick: and not having any say in the matter, I I 527 00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:40,030 Patrick: can't say anything other than just this is the prayer 528 00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:41,270 Patrick: that the pope is going to pray 529 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:43,590 Patrick: and I'm glad of it. I'm glad there is a prayer. 530 00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:45,960 Patrick: I'm glad there is a consecration 531 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,850 Patrick: and we have 532 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,160 Patrick: my hope is that more is better 533 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,669 Patrick: and that this will further 534 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:55,609 Patrick: improve things as bad as they are right now. That 535 00:24:55,619 --> 00:24:56,770 Patrick: will improve it. But 536 00:24:57,730 --> 00:24:59,720 Patrick: if it were me, I mean if I were pope 537 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Patrick: and I never will be, but if I were pope, 538 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,330 Patrick: I think what I would do is just pray the 539 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:07,050 Patrick: consecration and just specifically named Russia 540 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:09,859 Patrick: as um, as the focal point. 541 00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:13,380 Patrick: But our lady didn't ask me to do it, she 542 00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:14,480 Patrick: asked the pope to do it 543 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Caller Lisa: just wasn't, 544 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,859 Patrick: it was bugging me for a while when I heard that. 545 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:22,220 Patrick: But thank you for the information Patrick and God bless 546 00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:22,770 Caller Lisa: you. 547 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,400 Patrick: Thank you. Dave good to talk to you. How about 548 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,850 Patrick: let's see Elias now in Lexington Kentucky. Good morning. 549 00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:32,669 Patrick: Hello Elias, you are on the air sir, 550 00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:34,659 Patrick: shoot me some info. Go ahead. 551 00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:35,369 Caller Lisa: I 552 00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:37,350 Patrick: got a bad feeling about this. 553 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,850 Patrick: I think Elias went down the hall to make a 554 00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:40,350 Patrick: sandwich 555 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,450 Patrick: so we'll come back to him. We'll sort him out 556 00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:44,360 Patrick: when the time comes. 557 00:25:44,940 --> 00:25:46,860 Patrick: Let's go to Angeline now. 558 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,150 Patrick: And where is Angeline? Chilton Wisconsin. I've been to Chilton Wisconsin. 559 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,060 Patrick: Hello Angeline. 560 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:56,899 Caller Lisa: Hi Patrick. Yeah, you've been here for a women's conference about, gosh, 561 00:25:56,910 --> 00:25:57,659 Caller Lisa: three years ago. 562 00:25:58,540 --> 00:26:00,950 Patrick: That sounds about right. Yeah, I remember that. 563 00:26:00,970 --> 00:26:03,240 Caller Lisa: Yeah, yeah. That was the first time I heard you 564 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,770 Caller Lisa: and you were great then. And yeah, I had a 565 00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:06,740 Caller Lisa: lot of people start listening to you because of that 566 00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:11,650 Caller Lisa: conference and calling this morning because I need a little 567 00:26:11,650 --> 00:26:13,859 Caller Lisa: bit of help formulating a question and maybe 568 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,440 Caller Lisa: I already have the question, but I just thought I'd 569 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,949 Caller Lisa: run it past you. And also for listeners. Um, I 570 00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:22,429 Caller Lisa: don't know about other states, but in Wisconsin april is 571 00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:25,030 Caller Lisa: kind of the election, local elections are coming up and 572 00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:26,360 Caller Lisa: part of that as a school board 573 00:26:26,940 --> 00:26:30,060 Caller Lisa: and we live in a really small town. It's predominantly 574 00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:34,750 Caller Lisa: christian town. But yet when I talked to our high 575 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:36,170 Caller Lisa: school age type students, 576 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:38,840 Caller Lisa: um, kind of like the boots on the ground type 577 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,170 Caller Lisa: feel is at the atmosphere and the high school is 578 00:26:41,170 --> 00:26:41,860 Caller Lisa: very 579 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,659 Caller Lisa: obviously LGBTQ plus friendly 580 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,350 Caller Lisa: and if you don't have, you know, there's flags all 581 00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:48,170 Caller Lisa: over and 582 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,980 Caller Lisa: uh, if there's like, you know, maybe there's a pride 583 00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:53,190 Caller Lisa: sign in the cafeteria and you should put your name 584 00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:54,550 Caller Lisa: on it to support those 585 00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:56,170 Caller Lisa: who live this way 586 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,639 Caller Lisa: and I get to feel when I talk to these 587 00:26:58,650 --> 00:26:59,850 Caller Lisa: young adults that 588 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,950 Caller Lisa: are, you know, probably like 589 00:27:02,340 --> 00:27:05,300 Caller Lisa: their christian, there may be in church on Sundays, whether 590 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:07,350 Caller Lisa: it's the nondenominational of the catholic church, 591 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:09,720 Caller Lisa: but they just don't feel safe, you know, they just 592 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,359 Caller Lisa: kind of feel like, yeah, you don't you don't say 593 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,240 Caller Lisa: that you don't support, you, just keep your head down 594 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119 Caller Lisa: and keep quiet. If you were to say anything, you 595 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,479 Caller Lisa: definitely would get called out, you're a bigot, you know, 596 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,360 Caller Lisa: your homophobia. 597 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,160 Caller Lisa: So I don't get the feeling that too many students 598 00:27:24,369 --> 00:27:24,580 Caller Lisa: and 599 00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:27,369 Patrick: that's because they're so tolerant. That's because they're all about 600 00:27:27,369 --> 00:27:30,129 Patrick: tolerance and inclusion in non 601 00:27:30,130 --> 00:27:33,660 Caller Lisa: judgmentally and all that language has been all that language 602 00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:35,700 Caller Lisa: has really prepped them to not be able to be 603 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,460 Caller Lisa: against anything. Um So 604 00:27:38,540 --> 00:27:40,379 Caller Lisa: I guess, you know, with all these, you know, a 605 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:43,149 Caller Lisa: lot of communities are helping school board forums, school board 606 00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:44,940 Caller Lisa: Q and A is to help, you know, there's like 607 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:47,119 Caller Lisa: a lot of people that are up for election and 608 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,200 Caller Lisa: a lot of people are stepping forward to fill those shoes. 609 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:50,660 Caller Lisa: Um 610 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:52,459 Caller Lisa: but I guess, 611 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,980 Caller Lisa: I mean, what how would you formulate a question? You know, 612 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:57,960 Caller Lisa: there's a lot of like, how do you 613 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,060 Caller Lisa: put a question for that would 614 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,229 Caller Lisa: kind of put the school board potential candidates, not on 615 00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:05,670 Caller Lisa: the spot, but just kind of put their stance out there, 616 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,399 Caller Lisa: Would you just say something like, what are you going 617 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,580 Caller Lisa: to do or how are you going to make our 618 00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:11,760 Caller Lisa: Judeo christian 619 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,770 Caller Lisa: high school students feel 620 00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:18,160 Caller Lisa: accepted. I don't know if that's the right word, but 621 00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:21,800 Caller Lisa: I feel like it's a really non confrontational way to 622 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,860 Caller Lisa: make people 623 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:24,560 Caller Lisa: put it out there. 624 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,200 Caller Lisa: Really how they're going to support our Judeo christian students 625 00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:31,250 Caller Lisa: because I don't think, I mean, I think it's time 626 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:33,710 Caller Lisa: to say you are not, you can't trample over them 627 00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:34,160 Caller Lisa: like this 628 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:36,580 Caller Lisa: and if you're going to make everyone sign 629 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,920 Caller Lisa: the gay pride sign, then you better be okay with 630 00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:41,920 Caller Lisa: people that are saying, hey, I'm against that, but I'm 631 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,469 Caller Lisa: not a big and I still, you know, love you 632 00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:44,360 Caller Lisa: as a fellow human, 633 00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:45,160 Caller Lisa: but 634 00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:47,870 Caller Lisa: you know what I mean? Like how would you phrase 635 00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:49,160 Caller Lisa: that to a school board? 636 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,660 Patrick: This is a matter of technique. 637 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,180 Patrick: Yeah, this is, it seems to me Angeline 638 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Patrick: a matter of technique. So there's a certain technique, I'll 639 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,950 Patrick: suggest to you in a moment, 640 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,270 Patrick: but I don't, 641 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:06,770 Patrick: I really don't hold any, um, 642 00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:08,360 Patrick: optimism 643 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,630 Patrick: that the school board, no matter what you say or 644 00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:13,270 Patrick: how you say it. I don't, 645 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,760 Patrick: I mean, if that ideology is that entrenched in the 646 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,860 Patrick: school and it is, 647 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,180 Patrick: then I don't think there's anything you're going to say 648 00:29:20,180 --> 00:29:23,960 Patrick: or do that would make them say, oh, oh, okay, 649 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:26,220 Patrick: You know what, you're right? We're going to do something 650 00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:26,450 Patrick: to 651 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Patrick: protect the christian students who don't go along with this, 652 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,130 Patrick: That's the last thing they're going to do. So my 653 00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:37,100 Patrick: thinking Angeline is use this for effect in other words, 654 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:40,670 Patrick: make make this statement in such a way 655 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,250 Patrick: that you're not expecting that the school board is going 656 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:46,080 Patrick: to change, but you want to make it in such 657 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560 Patrick: a way that the school board looks foolish 658 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:51,170 Patrick: and looks hypocritical 659 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,670 Patrick: and expose the hypocrisy. 660 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,860 Patrick: So to me that would be the goal. 661 00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:59,010 Patrick: And maybe if it were me, if I were the dad, 662 00:29:59,010 --> 00:30:01,690 Patrick: I would do something like this, I would say, or 663 00:30:01,690 --> 00:30:03,350 Patrick: I would, I don't know if there's an opportunity to 664 00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:05,280 Patrick: ask them questions or if you just have to make 665 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,550 Patrick: a statement and you're not allowed to ask any questions. 666 00:30:07,550 --> 00:30:08,170 Patrick: But either way 667 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:10,060 Patrick: I would get into, 668 00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:14,860 Patrick: I believe in tolerance. I believe in not judging people. 669 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:18,350 Patrick: I believe in diversity. I believe that we should have 670 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:21,680 Patrick: respect for people who have views, uh, and look at 671 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,450 Patrick: the world differently than I do. 672 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:27,090 Patrick: I want to be tolerant of people who have a 673 00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:31,230 Patrick: different skin color, a different sexual orientation. They have a 674 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:35,410 Patrick: different way of living their lives out. I personally believe 675 00:30:35,420 --> 00:30:38,229 Patrick: that we should be tolerant. And I just want to 676 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:42,270 Patrick: know school board. Do you also believe in those things? 677 00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:44,710 Patrick: Chances are they going to say don't get a nod 678 00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:45,670 Patrick: their heads. Yeah, we do. 679 00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:48,510 Patrick: They'll speak back into the microphone. We do. So you 680 00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:50,060 Patrick: just use all of their jargon. 681 00:30:50,540 --> 00:30:53,970 Patrick: Use all of their buzzwords and then say, okay, good. 682 00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:56,620 Patrick: I'm really glad that you guys publicly committed 683 00:30:57,140 --> 00:31:00,770 Patrick: to diversity and tolerance and inclusion because 684 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:04,660 Patrick: there is a group of people in this school who 685 00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:07,670 Patrick: are who are being bullied, who are being harassed 686 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,730 Patrick: and there's no tolerance for them and no respect for 687 00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:13,970 Patrick: the diversity that they bring to the table. And that 688 00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:17,160 Patrick: is the students who don't go along with, they don't 689 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,770 Patrick: agree with the L. G. B. T. Q. Agenda and 690 00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:24,390 Patrick: they feel like they're the ones who are being forced 691 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,560 Patrick: into the closet. 692 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,760 Patrick: They're the ones who are not able to really express 693 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,430 Patrick: their views because they're going to be bullied and shouted down. Now, 694 00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:34,020 Patrick: I'm so glad that you've already committed publicly in front 695 00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:35,050 Patrick: of everyone here tonight 696 00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:39,080 Patrick: that you are committed to diversity and tolerance. So I 697 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,520 Patrick: would like to know in light of that what you 698 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,380 Patrick: plan to do 699 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,060 Patrick: to show real tolerance and diversity 700 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,330 Patrick: for these students who don't fit into the L G 701 00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:50,260 Patrick: B T. Q. 702 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:52,770 Patrick: Right? You know, amen section 703 00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:54,959 Patrick: um what are you going to do for them? 704 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,470 Patrick: So that technique, it seems to me Angeline, 705 00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:02,180 Patrick: I don't think they're going to change, but I do 706 00:32:02,180 --> 00:32:04,170 Patrick: think they're going to flounder 707 00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:07,450 Patrick: and it's going to make them look stupid and hypocritical 708 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,560 Patrick: and maybe that's enough 709 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:13,550 Patrick: you see because if they've if they've promised 710 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:17,209 Patrick: that they are diverse and they promised that they believe 711 00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:19,730 Patrick: in tolerance and then you give them an opportunity to 712 00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:22,260 Patrick: prove it and then they go back the other direction, 713 00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:24,880 Patrick: then you can point out so that you really don't 714 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,700 Patrick: believe in tolerance. 715 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:29,760 Patrick: You believe in intolerance because you're intolerant toward those who 716 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,170 Patrick: have a different view than yours. 717 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,209 Patrick: You don't believe in diversity. 718 00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:36,540 Patrick: You really don't believe in it, because you won't accept 719 00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:39,670 Patrick: people whose points of view are different from your own, etcetera, etcetera. 720 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,900 Patrick: And you judge at the drop of a hat, That's 721 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:45,060 Patrick: that's the way I would probably try to approach it. 722 00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:50,720 Caller Lisa: Yeah, I knew, yes, I knew I wasn't trying to 723 00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:53,700 Caller Lisa: think that one measly question was going to transform the 724 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:58,170 Caller Lisa: culture nor the staff beliefs, you know, at this particular, 725 00:32:58,540 --> 00:33:00,960 Caller Lisa: uh, high school. But I do think, 726 00:33:01,540 --> 00:33:04,140 Caller Lisa: yeah, that's good. I do think there's just ways we 727 00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:06,360 Caller Lisa: have to have that conversation openly 728 00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:10,250 Caller Lisa: and yeah, kind of exposed the hypocrisy. I guess that's 729 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:12,170 Caller Lisa: probably maybe my what my goal should be, 730 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,060 Caller Lisa: because you do feel like these kids are 731 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,270 Caller Lisa: um 732 00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:19,660 Caller Lisa: I don't know, obviously our Children are fighting the battle. 733 00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:22,120 Caller Lisa: We're not fighting it, we're not in these schools. 734 00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:23,560 Caller Lisa: And I don't, 735 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:27,040 Caller Lisa: you know, these are public schools in small towns that 736 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,400 Caller Lisa: are predominantly conservative, you know, so that would be a 737 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,720 Caller Lisa: good that's a good way to put it. Thank you, Patrick, 738 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:35,030 Patrick: you're welcome. And you know what Angeline, that was my 739 00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:37,900 Patrick: shot in the dark. So when you do this, please 740 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:40,110 Patrick: let me know how it goes. I'd be very interested. 741 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,810 Caller Lisa: I will, I will 742 00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:43,360 Patrick: Alright, thank you appreciate it. 743 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:55,400 Patrick: I'm coming right back right after this 744 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:02,210 Patrick: today's programming sponsored by solidarity. Health share information on their 745 00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:05,670 Patrick: health plans available at catholic health share dot com. That's 746 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:08,460 Patrick: catholic health share dot com. 747 00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:12,560 Patrick: It's the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio, join the 748 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:22,049 Patrick: conversation at 8889149149. That's 8889149149 749 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,670 Patrick: 88 9149149. That's the number. 750 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,120 Patrick: How about joe now in roseville, California? Hijo. 751 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,350 Patrick: Good morning Patrick. 752 00:34:35,730 --> 00:34:35,900 Caller Lisa: I 753 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,250 Patrick: had something to say about 754 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,299 Patrick: You're correct. About a warning maybe should have been made, 755 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:47,660 Patrick: but there's about 3-4 facts about the atomic bomb being dropped. 756 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,350 Patrick: Okay, 757 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:50,750 Patrick: Enlighten me. 758 00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:52,859 Patrick: Okay. 759 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,170 Patrick: Well 760 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:55,989 Patrick: number one, 761 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,469 Patrick: you might call this a warning. 762 00:34:58,940 --> 00:35:04,529 Patrick: Tokyo got bombed by RB 25. Billy Mitchell bombed. Tokyo 763 00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:07,359 Patrick: showing the Japanese they could be reached 764 00:35:08,590 --> 00:35:10,049 Patrick: number two. 765 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:13,170 Patrick: Number two 766 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,350 Patrick: lethal. It's from what I was told 767 00:35:17,739 --> 00:35:21,140 Patrick: by a veteran of World War II that leaflets were 768 00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:22,470 Patrick: dropped over 769 00:35:23,739 --> 00:35:29,580 Patrick: both Nagasaki and Hiroshima before they dropped the bomb, warning 770 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:29,860 Patrick: them 771 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,859 Patrick: number three. 772 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,469 Patrick: Didn't that the first atomic bomb 773 00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:42,790 Patrick: being dropped wasn't that enough warning? They had to drop 774 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,350 Patrick: another bomb before they surrender. 775 00:35:45,739 --> 00:35:46,850 Patrick: So 776 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,810 Caller Lisa: you're in a way. 777 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:51,540 Patrick: Right? But the way the japanese were and I'm sure 778 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:53,860 Patrick: the President of the United States knew 779 00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:54,060 Caller Lisa: it. 780 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,020 Caller Lisa: These 781 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:58,910 Patrick: Guys weren't gonna surrender. So the first dropping of the 782 00:35:58,910 --> 00:36:03,940 Patrick: bomb wouldn't have really worked because it took two bombs 783 00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:07,410 Patrick: before they surrendered. They wouldn't take the first warning of 784 00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:11,080 Patrick: the B-25, showing them they'd be reached. They wouldn't listen 785 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,660 Patrick: to the leaflets and 786 00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:14,950 Patrick: after they dropped the first bomb, 787 00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:18,170 Patrick: they still wouldn't surrender. So they had to drop the 788 00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:21,160 Patrick: second bomb. So what what do you have to say 789 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:21,660 Patrick: to that? 790 00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:25,490 Patrick: Well, those are all good points, joe. I don't dispute 791 00:36:25,489 --> 00:36:28,340 Patrick: any of that. Keep in mind though, that that's 792 00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:32,969 Patrick: theoretical. I mean, what would they have done if we 793 00:36:32,969 --> 00:36:34,969 Patrick: had dropped the bomb in a different place that didn't 794 00:36:34,969 --> 00:36:38,339 Patrick: destroy civilians but demonstrated the power of the bomb? 795 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:39,840 Patrick: Um, 796 00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:44,250 Patrick: It's possible that they would have said, okay, we're done. 797 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:48,920 Patrick: Uh, and if we're done in Tokyo Bay as one example, um, 798 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,739 Patrick: and they said, no, we're still going to fight. Okay 799 00:36:50,739 --> 00:36:52,850 Patrick: now we're gonna drop it one on Mount Fuji. 800 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:55,290 Patrick: No, we're still going to fight. Okay now we're going 801 00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:55,650 Patrick: to 802 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:58,880 Patrick: take out one of your naval bases 803 00:37:00,130 --> 00:37:02,670 Patrick: with the sailors and soldiers that are there. So, a 804 00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:05,310 Patrick: military installation, as opposed to a civilian center 805 00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:08,620 Patrick: that might have gotten their attention that might have caused 806 00:37:08,620 --> 00:37:10,050 Patrick: them to stop to see. We'll never know. 807 00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:13,590 Patrick: So in the it's in the realm of theory only 808 00:37:13,590 --> 00:37:15,620 Patrick: we can theorize what might have happened or what would 809 00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:17,630 Patrick: have happened. We don't really know. All we know is 810 00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:18,660 Patrick: what did happen. 811 00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:21,680 Patrick: And I do grant your point that they were tenacious. 812 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,460 Patrick: No doubt about that and they were fanatical and maniacal 813 00:37:24,830 --> 00:37:28,669 Patrick: And unwilling to to stop their war until it was 814 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,359 Patrick: clear that there's no way they could continue it. But 815 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,250 Patrick: all I'm arguing for is two things Joe #1 is 816 00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:37,589 Patrick: there were other viable ways that we could have tried 817 00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:41,940 Patrick: to stop the war without destroying all those innocent men, 818 00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:42,850 Patrick: women and Children. 819 00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:46,360 Patrick: And even if there were no other ways for us 820 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,550 Patrick: to stop the war and we tried, let's say that 821 00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:49,339 Patrick: we did try 822 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,450 Patrick: several different options with the atomic bomb that didn't kill 823 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:55,650 Patrick: innocent civilians and it didn't work. Well, 824 00:37:56,530 --> 00:37:59,940 Patrick: it's at this at the very least we would know 825 00:37:59,950 --> 00:38:03,489 Patrick: that we should we still should not do something immoral 826 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,830 Patrick: to achieve a good goal. It was a terrible situation 827 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,950 Patrick: and people were dying left, right and center. So 828 00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:11,570 Patrick: you know, not being alive at that time, I didn't 829 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:13,450 Patrick: live through it. But you know, my parents told me 830 00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:13,950 Patrick: about it. 831 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,899 Patrick: My grandparents told me about it must have been hellish 832 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:17,640 Patrick: for everybody. 833 00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:21,700 Patrick: But it's still, even in the middle of that situation, 834 00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:24,580 Patrick: doesn't mean that we can do something immoral 835 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,240 Patrick: to try to achieve a good goal. That that to 836 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,450 Patrick: me is really the bottom line in all of this. 837 00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:33,760 Patrick: So you make good points, joe. And I don't dispute them. 838 00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:35,960 Patrick: But I don't think it really moves the needle in 839 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,840 Patrick: terms of somehow making it okay 840 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,190 Patrick: To vaporize 100,000 men, women and Children 841 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,640 Patrick: even that doesn't make that Okay. 842 00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:48,950 Patrick: What do you think about my response? 843 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:52,840 Patrick: Well, you have very good points, but 844 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:57,069 Patrick: The main thing I'm trying to get across is I 845 00:38:57,070 --> 00:39:00,790 Patrick: thought of that C got one bomb after another. Now 846 00:39:00,790 --> 00:39:05,440 Patrick: this takes time during this time. Picture yourself or your 847 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,990 Patrick: son being drafted at the age of 18, right out 848 00:39:08,989 --> 00:39:12,779 Patrick: of high school and and and your marines and soldiers, 849 00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:13,650 Patrick: sailors and 850 00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:14,680 Patrick: et cetera. 851 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,330 Patrick: All these extra bombings 852 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,200 Patrick: and the japanese being fanatical. How many more innocent american lives, 853 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,160 Patrick: whether they're in uniform or not or going to get 854 00:39:26,170 --> 00:39:26,840 Patrick: killed 855 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,500 Patrick: during this time of warning? The japanese that were pretty 856 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,840 Patrick: much fanatical, 857 00:39:33,219 --> 00:39:36,820 Patrick: uh, etcetera. So you got to see the point of 858 00:39:36,830 --> 00:39:39,640 Patrick: the time in dropping the different bombs 859 00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:43,860 Patrick: two and they were they were working for times because 860 00:39:43,870 --> 00:39:47,480 Patrick: after that bad um bomb was dropped, Both of them 861 00:39:47,489 --> 00:39:50,660 Patrick: Germany I think had I think that had a lot 862 00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:54,950 Patrick: to do with Germany surrendered because I figure the Germans, 863 00:39:55,820 --> 00:39:58,840 Patrick: the Nazis knew this the other of these bombs and 864 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,439 Patrick: that we would do it. And with that fact 865 00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:03,230 Caller Lisa: they 866 00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:05,540 Patrick: pretty much surrendered. I don't know, a month or two 867 00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:08,239 Patrick: afterwards because they were, I'm sure that 868 00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:12,239 Patrick: we would've probably nuked them to, I don't want to 869 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,280 Patrick: go into that. But that's what I mean about the 870 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,140 Patrick: lives that at the time the president was making those decisions, 871 00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:20,430 Patrick: uh etcetera etcetera. 872 00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:22,640 Patrick: You've got a very good point. 873 00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:26,529 Patrick: But to continue the warning with lives being lost. And 874 00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:30,120 Patrick: also the fact that the nazis did surrender very shortly 875 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,330 Patrick: after and I'm sure that did have an effect on him. 876 00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:37,799 Patrick: Well, we know that Hitler was racing for his own 877 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,350 Patrick: atomic bomb. Um, we know that much for sure, But 878 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:40,819 Patrick: but 879 00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:44,360 Patrick: Victory in Europe was in May. So that was May 880 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,640 Patrick: of 1945. And Japan didn't surrender until August 15 of 1945. 881 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,440 Patrick: So Japan surrendered second after Germany. 882 00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:56,830 Patrick: And who knows if Germany hadn't surrendered before that 883 00:40:57,210 --> 00:40:59,780 Patrick: it may be that if they, you know, when they 884 00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:02,370 Patrick: saw what happened in Hiroshima, that they would have surrendered 885 00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:07,290 Patrick: in any case, but they surrendered before Japan. But I'll 886 00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:10,240 Patrick: say joe is all these things notwithstanding. 887 00:41:12,110 --> 00:41:16,130 Patrick: The fundamental principle is that you can't do something evil 888 00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:18,190 Patrick: to achieve a good goal. 889 00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:21,240 Patrick: And that's the immovable object in the middle of this 890 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,930 Patrick: issue here. If you ask me. 891 00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:25,540 Patrick: And I know this is a topic of great debate. 892 00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:28,250 Patrick: It's been debated for the last and what's it been now, 893 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:29,320 Patrick: 70 years. 894 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:33,860 Patrick: So I'm not, I don't presume to settle the issue. 895 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,250 Patrick: I I'm not saying that, you know, my opinion settles 896 00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:38,030 Patrick: the issue, but I am sharing my opinion 897 00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:42,130 Patrick: that in taking everything into account, there were other things 898 00:41:42,130 --> 00:41:44,410 Patrick: that could have been done, they could have been tried 899 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,060 Patrick: and they weren't. So we'll never know what could have happened. 900 00:41:47,710 --> 00:41:48,820 Patrick: But in a different 901 00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:52,100 Patrick: scenario, if those other things were tried 902 00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:55,230 Patrick: and Japan did surrender. You know, one of the things 903 00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:57,050 Patrick: that comes to my mind is we're talking joe you 904 00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:57,419 Patrick: and I 905 00:41:57,910 --> 00:42:01,180 Patrick: is the fact that at this point Japan was utterly 906 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:04,710 Patrick: pulverized and all that was left for them was their 907 00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:05,630 Patrick: home islands. 908 00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:07,270 Patrick: We had taken, 909 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,720 Patrick: you know, Guadalcanal and 910 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,710 Patrick: and all the other islands in the western pacific. We 911 00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:17,240 Patrick: we had defeated them and and recaptured or captured all 912 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,610 Patrick: those islands. So it wasn't as though they were projecting 913 00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:23,340 Patrick: any power outside of their home islands. They couldn't project 914 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:24,319 Patrick: power anymore. 915 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,770 Patrick: And so it seems to me that we could easily 916 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:29,790 Patrick: have just sort of hung back and nobody would have 917 00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:30,120 Patrick: died 918 00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:34,400 Patrick: on the american side. You know, the destroyers and battleships 919 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,920 Patrick: could have pulled back away 920 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,810 Patrick: and you know, just shoot their planes down when they 921 00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:41,330 Patrick: get up in the air and then they would sit 922 00:42:41,330 --> 00:42:41,930 Patrick: there 923 00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:46,810 Patrick: and they would realize that it's futile to resist. 924 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:49,320 Patrick: There really wasn't. 925 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:51,990 Patrick: I mean we needed to stop the war. We wanted 926 00:42:51,989 --> 00:42:54,160 Patrick: to stop the war, but we could also have just 927 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,320 Patrick: waited them out. That's another thing that could have been tried. 928 00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,870 Patrick: Thanks for the conversation, joe. Very nice talking to you. 929 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:03,440 Patrick: And I hope we talk again. Let's go now to 930 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:05,819 Patrick: Ronald in providence Rhode island. Hi Ronald. 931 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,960 Patrick: Hi Patrick, Thanks for taking my call. Um, I just 932 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,830 Patrick: want to say first, if this was a personal relationship, um, 933 00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:17,000 Patrick: I would be handling it differently. But seeing as it's 934 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,770 Patrick: a professional when I was hoping to maybe 935 00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:19,760 Caller Lisa: get a little bit of 936 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,469 Patrick: advice from you. Um, I'm in the process of hiring 937 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,230 Patrick: a new employee for my business. And um 938 00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:28,620 Patrick: the 939 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,050 Caller Lisa: the 940 00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:32,790 Patrick: person in question here, um 941 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,610 Caller Lisa: I I 942 00:43:34,610 --> 00:43:36,870 Patrick: have them at the final stages of hiring and I 943 00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:40,390 Patrick: had to ask some more personal questions for, you know, 944 00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:44,320 Patrick: certain legal things and whatnot. And I discovered that um 945 00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:46,430 Patrick: my employee Jessica 946 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,310 Patrick: actually used to be Jonathan 947 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,819 Patrick: and now has um 948 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,520 Patrick: completely changed 949 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:56,480 Caller Lisa: um 950 00:43:56,489 --> 00:43:58,020 Patrick: you know, everything legally 951 00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:58,730 Caller Lisa: over 952 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,600 Patrick: uh in his life, 953 00:44:00,610 --> 00:44:01,700 Caller Lisa: over to a 954 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:05,840 Patrick: new life as Jessica, a female uh including on their 955 00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:09,410 Patrick: um all of their legal documents and everything. So 956 00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:09,730 Caller Lisa: I 957 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:11,799 Patrick: know I'm going to run into this at some point 958 00:44:11,810 --> 00:44:14,310 Patrick: um where I'm going to have to use, 959 00:44:14,989 --> 00:44:18,010 Patrick: you know, certain words and and things that will trigger 960 00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:19,899 Caller Lisa: unhappiness 961 00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:21,810 Patrick: or you know, or 962 00:44:22,989 --> 00:44:25,600 Patrick: contentment depending on what are you wondering how to go 963 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,109 Patrick: about it? 964 00:44:27,489 --> 00:44:32,810 Patrick: Yeah. So I I don't I obviously, you know, as 965 00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:36,700 Patrick: a faithful catholic, I don't agree with any of it. 966 00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:40,750 Patrick: I don't think it's that a healthy lifestyle choice. I mean, 967 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,910 Patrick: it's evident in all of the research that we have 968 00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:43,500 Patrick: now 969 00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:44,350 Caller Lisa: like that, you 970 00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:46,980 Patrick: know, sex change regret dot com. I understand we're short 971 00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:48,950 Patrick: on time running short on time. 972 00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:54,480 Patrick: Well, um so are you asking me what I would 973 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,800 Patrick: do in that situation or how how to approach it? 974 00:44:58,489 --> 00:45:00,149 Patrick: Yeah. What would you do and how would you approach 975 00:45:00,150 --> 00:45:00,920 Patrick: the person? 976 00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:04,330 Patrick: Well, I would say, 977 00:45:05,489 --> 00:45:06,000 Patrick: Mhm. 978 00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:08,730 Patrick: Well, for the first thing I would say is very 979 00:45:08,739 --> 00:45:09,600 Patrick: carefully 980 00:45:09,989 --> 00:45:13,710 Patrick: because the law would be um 981 00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:18,000 Patrick: probably the first thing to be invoked if 982 00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:23,350 Patrick: if this person felt or claimed that you were unjustly 983 00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:24,219 Patrick: discriminating 984 00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:27,790 Patrick: and you know, obviously or not because he would not 985 00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:29,630 Patrick: have gotten to this point in the hiring process. 986 00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:32,650 Patrick: If that were the case. Um now you're going to 987 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:37,419 Patrick: run into situations about pronouns, which is, you know, 988 00:45:38,290 --> 00:45:42,430 Patrick: it's a huge deal in this situation where I want 989 00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:44,919 Patrick: you to address me by my preferred pronouns, He 990 00:45:45,489 --> 00:45:46,920 Patrick: or in this case, so she 991 00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:49,690 Patrick: so that's a bridge you're gonna have to cross and 992 00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:50,460 Patrick: maybe 993 00:45:50,989 --> 00:45:51,799 Patrick: um 994 00:45:52,489 --> 00:45:55,219 Patrick: you should get some legal advice on this issue as 995 00:45:55,219 --> 00:45:57,250 Patrick: to what what are the what are the laws of 996 00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:58,310 Patrick: the state of Rhode island 997 00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,500 Patrick: stipulate, 998 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,800 Patrick: can an employer 999 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,980 Patrick: as a policy say I will, You know, we will 1000 00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:10,910 Patrick: only here use the pronouns that conform to your biological sex, 1001 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,069 Patrick: you know, the sex that you were known to be 1002 00:46:14,070 --> 00:46:17,610 Patrick: at birth. Some states, I would think probably protect the 1003 00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:21,100 Patrick: employer and permit that to be done. Some states probably don't, 1004 00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:22,600 Patrick: I would think California and new york 1005 00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:26,000 Patrick: as examples, probably wouldn't protect you as an employer and 1006 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,960 Patrick: maybe there could be a lawsuit brought against you. But 1007 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,550 Patrick: I would I would find out, excuse me. Some of 1008 00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:31,410 Patrick: the things like that, 1009 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:35,090 Patrick: because that's that's probably the very next thing is 1010 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,640 Patrick: you're going to be asked to address me as 1011 00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:40,780 Patrick: a woman, she and her etcetera. 1012 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,880 Patrick: Obviously people, everybody, they have a right to work, they 1013 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,090 Patrick: have a right to make a living. 1014 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,100 Patrick: I think it's admirable 1015 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,109 Patrick: that you are making an opportunity for employment available to somebody, 1016 00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:56,210 Patrick: even though you disagree with that person's views on this issue, 1017 00:46:56,219 --> 00:46:59,940 Patrick: it's admirable that you look past that and you offer 1018 00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:02,469 Patrick: an opportunity for work because people need work and there's no, 1019 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,210 Patrick: you know, we should never discriminate 1020 00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:07,819 Patrick: against people now if it's in a setting which you're not. 1021 00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:09,440 Patrick: But I mean if you were running, let's say a 1022 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,410 Patrick: catholic high school 1023 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,719 Patrick: and you're teaching the catholic faith in some way, well 1024 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,130 Patrick: that would be an incompatibility, but doesn't sound like you 1025 00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:19,430 Patrick: have anything like that here. So I would say just 1026 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:22,300 Patrick: continue as you are being respectful, being 1027 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,260 Patrick: open minded, willing to help, willing to give somebody an opportunity, 1028 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,629 Patrick: even though you disagree. 1029 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,230 Patrick: But because of the way this often goes where the 1030 00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:34,710 Patrick: employer can wind up getting sued, I would make sure 1031 00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:37,469 Patrick: that I had like really good legal advice 1032 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,030 Patrick: that would tell me, you know, what are some of 1033 00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:42,800 Patrick: the things I can or that I can't do 1034 00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:45,819 Patrick: and then you can make your decision accordingly. And if 1035 00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:47,760 Patrick: it gets to the point where you realize this is 1036 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,250 Patrick: just going to become a really big difficulty, 1037 00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:57,070 Patrick: then you would need some legitimate reason why this position 1038 00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:58,210 Patrick: went to a different person. 1039 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,090 Patrick: It seems to me. 1040 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,040 Patrick: So never having been in your situation before. Ronald. You know, 1041 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,430 Patrick: I'm not an employer, so I don't have to make 1042 00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:08,940 Patrick: those decisions. But as I think about it, that's what 1043 00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:09,700 Patrick: I would suggest. 1044 00:48:11,980 --> 00:48:15,420 Patrick: Alright, I do appreciate your insight. I like the, the 1045 00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:16,700 Patrick: objective way that you look at 1046 00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:17,820 Caller Lisa: things. Um, it's 1047 00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:19,000 Patrick: very helpful for, 1048 00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:21,320 Patrick: you know, someone who wants to do the right thing. 1049 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:21,730 Patrick: Follow the 1050 00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:22,799 Caller Lisa: truth. Follow the church's 1051 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:23,390 Patrick: teachings. 1052 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,589 Patrick: Um, I always appreciate your insight. 1053 00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:30,719 Patrick: Thank you. Ronald. I hope it works out. I mean, 1054 00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:33,370 Patrick: I hope it's a situation where that person can work 1055 00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:35,930 Patrick: for you and it's smooth and easy and nobody's feathers 1056 00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:38,090 Patrick: are ruffled. That would be the best possible outcome. 1057 00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:41,130 Patrick: Well, thank you and thanks everybody for participating in the 1058 00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:43,370 Patrick: show today. I'm looking forward to being with you again tomorrow. 1059 00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:45,200 Patrick: In between now and then. I will pray for you. 1060 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,790 Patrick: Please pray for me. God bless you. 1061 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:47,700 Patrick: He did 1062 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,000 Patrick: let me down. 1063 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:52,520 Patrick: Yeah.