1 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:14,980 Speaker 1: compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day. It's the 2 00:00:14,990 --> 00:00:17,659 Speaker 1: Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. 3 00:00:20,540 --> 00:00:23,230 Speaker 1: Good morning. Can you believe that tomorrow 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: is going to be the, 5 00:00:25,739 --> 00:00:29,380 Speaker 1: the consecration of Russia and Ukraine by the Pope and 6 00:00:29,390 --> 00:00:31,590 Speaker 1: the bishops of the world and you and I and 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Father Rocky and Cyrus and everybody, 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,500 Speaker 1: we're all going to be praying all around the world 9 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:36,659 Speaker 1: for the conversion 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,340 Speaker 1: of Russia, for the consecration of Russia and Ukraine et cetera. 11 00:00:41,340 --> 00:00:43,300 Speaker 1: To the immaculate heart of mary this all ties in 12 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: with Fatima, you know, we've talked a lot about that. 13 00:00:45,940 --> 00:00:49,300 Speaker 1: So I just want to start the hour by reminding 14 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: you 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,850 Speaker 1: that just yesterday the Holy Father sent out a message 16 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:56,180 Speaker 1: asking you and all other Catholics 17 00:00:56,740 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: if at all possible to go to church near you, 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,190 Speaker 1: That would be 11 am central. So eastern time 12 19 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: am 20 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:07,150 Speaker 1: Specific time. That would be nine a.m. 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,289 Speaker 1: If you can, I mean if it's possible for you 22 00:01:10,290 --> 00:01:12,890 Speaker 1: to go to a church near you and pray for 23 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:15,970 Speaker 1: a couple of hours. So he specified between 11 am 24 00:01:15,970 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: and one pm 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: and if you can get to confession during that time, 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: go to confession. I would imagine that since this call 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: has gone out 28 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,750 Speaker 1: that a lot of parishes, hopefully at least will be 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,570 Speaker 1: providing confessions for the people who are going to be 30 00:01:30,569 --> 00:01:31,910 Speaker 1: there to be praying for peace. 31 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:34,530 Speaker 1: So that's something that we encourage you to do not 32 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:37,070 Speaker 1: just share with you a news report on this topic. 33 00:01:37,069 --> 00:01:39,750 Speaker 1: This is courtesy of catholic news agency. 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,819 Speaker 1: They say Pope Francis has written a letter asking all Catholics, 35 00:01:43,819 --> 00:01:44,550 Speaker 1: that means you 36 00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:47,910 Speaker 1: to assemble in their parishes on friday to pray the 37 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: act of consecration 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: of the world, particularly Russia and Ukraine to the immaculate 39 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,450 Speaker 1: heart of mary. 40 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: The Vatican published the Pope's Letter two days before he 41 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: is scheduled to pray 42 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,260 Speaker 1: the consecration in ST Peter's basilica. That would be tomorrow. 43 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,430 Speaker 1: He said in his letter, I asked you to join 44 00:02:04,430 --> 00:02:07,250 Speaker 1: in this act by inviting the priests religious and faithful 45 00:02:07,250 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: to assemble in their churches and places of worship on 46 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,150 Speaker 1: March 25 so that God's holy people may raise a 47 00:02:13,150 --> 00:02:14,660 Speaker 1: heartfelt in coral plea 48 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:16,450 Speaker 1: to marry our mother. 49 00:02:17,540 --> 00:02:19,950 Speaker 1: He also included the text of the consecration prayer, which 50 00:02:19,950 --> 00:02:21,650 Speaker 1: I read to you verbatim yesterday 51 00:02:22,139 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: in its entirety. 52 00:02:24,340 --> 00:02:29,460 Speaker 1: It includes the following phrase which you heard me read yesterday. 53 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,260 Speaker 1: This act of consecration is meant to be a gesture 54 00:02:32,740 --> 00:02:34,950 Speaker 1: of the Universal Church. Actually, that's not a quote from 55 00:02:34,950 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: the prayer, 56 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: but it's a description of it. 57 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: The pope will pray the consecration during a penitential service 58 00:02:41,850 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: that he will preside over at ST Peter's at five p.m. 59 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:44,859 Speaker 1: Local time. 60 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: And as you know, we're going to be covering that 61 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,590 Speaker 1: live Father Rocky will be in the studio with Drew 62 00:02:49,590 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I believe 63 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: and they're going to be offering whatever commentary might be 64 00:02:54,730 --> 00:02:58,290 Speaker 1: helpful during this time, you'll hear the pope read the 65 00:02:58,290 --> 00:02:59,260 Speaker 1: consecration 66 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,340 Speaker 1: and you can participate and we encourage you to do 67 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:05,369 Speaker 1: so if if you can, this is not like under 68 00:03:05,370 --> 00:03:07,250 Speaker 1: pain of sin or anything. But if you can, 69 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,459 Speaker 1: you are being encouraged to go to 70 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:13,190 Speaker 1: church for that time period or even just a portion 71 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:14,290 Speaker 1: of that if it's possible 72 00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:16,150 Speaker 1: and pray with the pope. 73 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,190 Speaker 1: Well let's see, momentous times we live in. That's for sure. 74 00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: The number again. 88891491 75 00:03:23,940 --> 00:03:28,340 Speaker 1: 49889149149. Why don't we just start some phone calls? I've 76 00:03:28,340 --> 00:03:30,060 Speaker 1: got plenty. I want to talk to you about and 77 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,870 Speaker 1: I'll get to that. But I'd like to hear what's 78 00:03:31,870 --> 00:03:32,549 Speaker 1: on your mind. 79 00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:36,860 Speaker 1: 88 9149149. Let's go first to Martha 80 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,010 Speaker 1: waiting in Washington, D. C. Good morning Martha and welcome. 81 00:03:41,340 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: Oh hi Patrick. Thank you for taking my call. I 82 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: just have a quick question. 83 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,180 Speaker 2: uh it's about my 20 year old daughter who's still 84 00:03:49,180 --> 00:03:49,950 Speaker 2: living at home 85 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:54,380 Speaker 2: and she's attending community college. She's getting ready to transfer 86 00:03:54,380 --> 00:03:55,460 Speaker 2: to the university. 87 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,550 Speaker 2: But she just met a boy 88 00:03:58,060 --> 00:04:00,460 Speaker 2: that and she's pursuing a music degree 89 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:02,250 Speaker 2: to teach music. 90 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: And um she met a boy, he seems very nice. 91 00:04:06,490 --> 00:04:10,410 Speaker 2: Uh but he says he's going to take a gap year, 92 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:12,850 Speaker 2: so we're very nervous about that. 93 00:04:13,540 --> 00:04:14,260 Speaker 2: Um 94 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,580 Speaker 2: for me that that's just the code for saying he's 95 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:21,430 Speaker 2: going to quit school because he doesn't know which music 96 00:04:21,430 --> 00:04:22,549 Speaker 2: career to pursue. 97 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: So uh we're wondering what 98 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: he's in school. 99 00:04:27,339 --> 00:04:30,529 Speaker 1: So he's in school to pursue music or your daughter 100 00:04:30,529 --> 00:04:32,050 Speaker 1: is going to pursue music or both, 101 00:04:33,140 --> 00:04:35,260 Speaker 2: they're both going to pursue music 102 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,349 Speaker 2: but he doesn't know which career path to take. So 103 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,230 Speaker 2: they're both getting ready to finish the two years of 104 00:04:42,740 --> 00:04:45,650 Speaker 2: community college and she's going to try 105 00:04:45,650 --> 00:04:47,150 Speaker 1: and about the same age. 106 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:50,570 Speaker 2: Yeah. 107 00:04:51,310 --> 00:04:53,090 Speaker 1: So you wonder what I think about that or what 108 00:04:53,089 --> 00:04:53,750 Speaker 1: advice I might 109 00:04:53,750 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: have. 110 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah I'm thinking of telling her. Well because he wants 111 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,409 Speaker 2: to they've been going out of the group in France 112 00:05:01,420 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: uh group together but nothing one on one and he 113 00:05:05,089 --> 00:05:07,549 Speaker 2: he wants to pursue a date with her 114 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: and I kind of feel like telling her 115 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,299 Speaker 2: let's wait on that until he knows what he wants 116 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: to do because I don't 117 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: once you accept the date gonna 118 00:05:18,339 --> 00:05:18,549 Speaker 2: Mhm. 119 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: You might be surprised by my advice Martha. So 120 00:05:22,540 --> 00:05:24,909 Speaker 1: bear with me if you don't mind and I don't 121 00:05:24,910 --> 00:05:27,100 Speaker 1: want to make this about me because it's not about me, 122 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: it's about your daughter, 123 00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:30,450 Speaker 1: but if I can offer just from my own personal 124 00:05:30,450 --> 00:05:32,350 Speaker 1: experience something for you to consider. 125 00:05:32,940 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Um 126 00:05:33,940 --> 00:05:36,929 Speaker 1: I was very young when I got married, I was 127 00:05:36,940 --> 00:05:38,950 Speaker 1: 20 Nancy was 19, 128 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,420 Speaker 1: she was not pregnant, so it was not a situation 129 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:44,050 Speaker 1: like that we just wanted to get married 130 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,110 Speaker 1: and our parents were okay with it. They had you 131 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:47,850 Speaker 1: know like they were 132 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,190 Speaker 1: they were looking at this like you guys are really 133 00:05:51,190 --> 00:05:51,650 Speaker 1: young 134 00:05:52,940 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: and 135 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,060 Speaker 1: so we got married and I was in college but 136 00:05:56,060 --> 00:05:57,890 Speaker 1: I wasn't in a four year college, I was, I 137 00:05:57,890 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 1: was at a community college, like your daughter is because 138 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,860 Speaker 1: I couldn't afford a four year college and my parents 139 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:03,610 Speaker 1: couldn't afford a four year college, so I was just 140 00:06:03,610 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: sort of scraping my way through 141 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:07,860 Speaker 1: with what I could earn 142 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,050 Speaker 1: And I took what I thought was going to be 143 00:06:11,050 --> 00:06:13,540 Speaker 1: a semester off when we got married. I thought okay, 144 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:16,190 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a semester off. We got married 145 00:06:16,190 --> 00:06:18,150 Speaker 1: on February 7, 1981 146 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: and 147 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:22,050 Speaker 1: I didn't have any money. 148 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: I had lost a job, a dumb job that I 149 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,940 Speaker 1: had of making like $5 an hour working on a 150 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: construction crew because that's the only job I could find 151 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,980 Speaker 1: at the time. So I was just making very meager 152 00:06:33,980 --> 00:06:37,670 Speaker 1: wages and I lost that job because the construction crew, 153 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the jobs began to slow down, I lost that job. 154 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean everybody did, they all got laid off. 155 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,250 Speaker 1: Um this was probably long about thanksgiving in 1980, 156 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,100 Speaker 1: so I had to scramble and find a job and 157 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:54,620 Speaker 1: I found a job at um a local bank, Thanks 158 00:06:54,620 --> 00:06:55,250 Speaker 1: be to God. 159 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: And so I thought, okay, I'm just starting a new job, 160 00:06:58,930 --> 00:07:02,940 Speaker 1: I'm getting married. Um I could do college, but I 161 00:07:02,940 --> 00:07:05,750 Speaker 1: don't even really know what I want to study college for, 162 00:07:05,750 --> 00:07:07,350 Speaker 1: I didn't have any clear idea. 163 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: And so I took off what I thought would be 164 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,620 Speaker 1: a semester, it became 15 years, I had a 15 165 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:14,450 Speaker 1: year gap here 166 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:18,770 Speaker 1: that I wasn't anticipating. But in our case, once we 167 00:07:18,770 --> 00:07:21,250 Speaker 1: got married and the Children started coming along, 168 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: Which was almost immediately, I, I didn't have the luxury 169 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,370 Speaker 1: of being able to go back to college. So it 170 00:07:26,370 --> 00:07:28,790 Speaker 1: took me 15 years before I could go back and 171 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:29,860 Speaker 1: start finishing it up. 172 00:07:30,940 --> 00:07:33,059 Speaker 1: And not that that is 173 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,110 Speaker 1: a, an advisable way to go about it. But it 174 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:38,750 Speaker 1: worked out is what I'm trying to say. 175 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:43,660 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be too, I wouldn't be overly concerned 176 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:46,230 Speaker 1: if he wants to take a gap here. I know 177 00:07:46,230 --> 00:07:48,330 Speaker 1: that's kind of a trendy thing to do. It's kind of, 178 00:07:48,340 --> 00:07:49,850 Speaker 1: it's similar to 179 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,140 Speaker 1: young men who say, well, I'm discerning the priesthood, but 180 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:56,020 Speaker 1: they never actually do anything. They never go into the seminary, 181 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:59,230 Speaker 1: they never, they never actually, you know, get off the 182 00:07:59,230 --> 00:08:02,150 Speaker 1: discernment spot. Um, 183 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,460 Speaker 1: in some cases. So what I'm saying to you is 184 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: Number one, I wouldn't be too alarmed by this. 185 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,690 Speaker 1: It's not unusual for a man, a young man of 186 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: 22 have no clue what he's going to do with this. 187 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: Like I had no clue when I was 20 years old, 188 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,460 Speaker 1: zip, zilch Nada. 189 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: But if he's of good heart and good character 190 00:08:24,540 --> 00:08:27,940 Speaker 1: and if he's seeking what he should be doing and 191 00:08:27,940 --> 00:08:29,850 Speaker 1: especially if he's catholic 192 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,590 Speaker 1: and he's asking the Lord to show him the Lord 193 00:08:32,590 --> 00:08:33,260 Speaker 1: will show him 194 00:08:33,740 --> 00:08:35,860 Speaker 1: And then the other bit of advice I have is 195 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:37,950 Speaker 1: in addition to don't be too alarmed by this or 196 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: too worried about it. Let things progress. Would be my 197 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,910 Speaker 1: advice and see where they go. But the other thing 198 00:08:42,910 --> 00:08:45,870 Speaker 1: is your daughter is 20 years old now. So even 199 00:08:45,870 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: though you do have a duty 200 00:08:47,940 --> 00:08:51,179 Speaker 1: in a right to parent and to give advice and 201 00:08:51,179 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: whatnot you really, 202 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: she's at the age now where it's no longer really 203 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,809 Speaker 1: appropriate for you to tell her 204 00:08:57,340 --> 00:08:58,540 Speaker 1: you can't do this 205 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,260 Speaker 1: And maybe that's not how you would have phrased it. 206 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,260 Speaker 1: But 207 00:09:02,740 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: she needs to, she needs to learn now. She needs 208 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,060 Speaker 1: to find out 209 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: what her life is going to look like. And part 210 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: of that means she needs to find out if 211 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,870 Speaker 1: there's somebody out there for her. And the only way 212 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: to find that out is to at least tentatively begin 213 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:18,860 Speaker 1: to 214 00:09:19,540 --> 00:09:23,780 Speaker 1: investigate the possibility of a young man like this. Now 215 00:09:23,790 --> 00:09:27,230 Speaker 1: you should advise her and encourage her. But I would, 216 00:09:27,250 --> 00:09:30,300 Speaker 1: I would encourage you to do that with a light 217 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:30,849 Speaker 1: touch 218 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,390 Speaker 1: in other words. Don't, don't make it feel as though 219 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,890 Speaker 1: you're ordering her around or telling her what she can 220 00:09:36,890 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: and can't do. I think that would backfire in the 221 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:39,850 Speaker 1: long run 222 00:09:40,340 --> 00:09:42,790 Speaker 1: and could even make her want to 223 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:46,850 Speaker 1: mm hmm maybe color outside the lines or go outside 224 00:09:46,850 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: the bounds of what she thinks she'd be what you'd 225 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,939 Speaker 1: approve of if she felt like that's the only way 226 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:51,550 Speaker 1: she could 227 00:09:51,940 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: express herself 228 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: because mom was always telling her well you can't do this. 229 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,140 Speaker 1: You can't do that. So I would encourage a light 230 00:09:58,150 --> 00:10:00,750 Speaker 1: touch in that department if that makes sense. 231 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,460 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? 232 00:10:03,340 --> 00:10:05,460 Speaker 2: Okay. That makes a lot of sense. 233 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:08,150 Speaker 2: Yes. Thank you. 234 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,740 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're welcome. And I'm certain Martha that there are 235 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: a million and one things involved here 236 00:10:15,140 --> 00:10:16,870 Speaker 1: that I have no knowledge of because you didn't tell 237 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:20,510 Speaker 1: them to me that may influence how you go about this. 238 00:10:20,510 --> 00:10:22,530 Speaker 1: I mean there may be a million and one things 239 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: about this young man, 240 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,860 Speaker 1: pro or con, you know? So all I'm saying is 241 00:10:27,860 --> 00:10:29,460 Speaker 1: as a general principle, 242 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,060 Speaker 1: she's at that age now where she needs to start 243 00:10:33,940 --> 00:10:35,460 Speaker 1: finding out for herself 244 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,189 Speaker 1: and she's lucky to have a good caring devoted mother 245 00:10:39,190 --> 00:10:41,260 Speaker 1: like you who wants the best for her. 246 00:10:41,940 --> 00:10:45,150 Speaker 1: So do continue encouraging her. But 247 00:10:47,140 --> 00:10:48,620 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't forbid her 248 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,849 Speaker 1: to to go out on a date with this young 249 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: man if it were my daughter, I wouldn't forbid her. 250 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,469 Speaker 1: I just said just you know, have your eyes open 251 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:55,250 Speaker 1: be careful. 252 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,030 Speaker 1: And when you're talking, why don't you talk about well 253 00:10:59,030 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: like what are you interested in doing with your life? 254 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: What kind of a job are you interested in And 255 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:06,610 Speaker 1: do you want to finish your four year degree And 256 00:11:06,610 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: if so, you know, as a music or what do you? 257 00:11:08,490 --> 00:11:11,579 Speaker 1: So the more information she gathers, the more she can 258 00:11:11,580 --> 00:11:14,390 Speaker 1: make an informed decision as to whether to continue or 259 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:15,459 Speaker 1: not continue with him. 260 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,950 Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Yeah. We were just afraid about granting permission 261 00:11:21,950 --> 00:11:24,449 Speaker 2: to go on one on one date because we don't 262 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:25,059 Speaker 2: want her to get 263 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,070 Speaker 2: her hopes up too high. And then 264 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,030 Speaker 2: even though he doesn't pursue anything serious, she's, oh, she's 265 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: still very emotionally connected. 266 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: Are attached. 267 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,130 Speaker 2: Well, 268 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:39,350 Speaker 1: That's one thing I just, if you don't mind my 269 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:42,570 Speaker 1: emphasizing it, it's no longer appropriate for you to grant 270 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: her permission. She's 20. 271 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:46,050 Speaker 1: She really doesn't need your permission. 272 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Now. Maybe you have an extremely close relationship and she 273 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,980 Speaker 1: relies on things like that. But I would say even 274 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:54,860 Speaker 1: that would be a red flag because if she's at 275 00:11:54,860 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: 20 years old now 276 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:59,630 Speaker 1: and her mom has to make decisions for her, that's 277 00:11:59,630 --> 00:12:01,650 Speaker 1: not a good sign. It means that she, she needs 278 00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:02,460 Speaker 1: to grow up more 279 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,110 Speaker 1: now. Maybe she's not like that. But I would, I 280 00:12:05,110 --> 00:12:06,690 Speaker 1: would pull back on that and I, 281 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this so that you feel like 282 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:11,660 Speaker 1: your hands are tied. 283 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,540 Speaker 1: But you know, it's just, it's one of those things 284 00:12:15,540 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: where 285 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,660 Speaker 1: even the best raised Children, even those who were homeschooled 286 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:23,370 Speaker 1: or they had, you know, just whatever we might think 287 00:12:23,370 --> 00:12:24,460 Speaker 1: of as the best 288 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,770 Speaker 1: set of circumstances growing up to protect them from problems 289 00:12:28,770 --> 00:12:30,939 Speaker 1: in the world, even they can go off the rails 290 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:33,550 Speaker 1: if they feel as though they've been stifled and 291 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,150 Speaker 1: hurted and constrained and then when they realize I don't 292 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: have to listen to them. Some, some young people go 293 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,660 Speaker 1: off the rails because they, 294 00:12:44,740 --> 00:12:47,710 Speaker 1: you know, they want to assert themselves and they don't 295 00:12:47,710 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: know how because they haven't been raised in a way 296 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,390 Speaker 1: for them to think for themselves and 297 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:55,830 Speaker 1: and take responsibility. So I hate to put too fine 298 00:12:55,830 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: a point on it, but that does sound like an 299 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,260 Speaker 1: issue that might be in the background here. 300 00:13:00,740 --> 00:13:04,140 Speaker 2: Mhm. Okay. Okay, that sounds good. Can I ask one 301 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: last question? What did like at what age did you 302 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: allow your kids to go on a one on one date? 303 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:15,589 Speaker 2: We had 304 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:16,940 Speaker 1: a policy group. 305 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,980 Speaker 1: No, go ahead, Martha. I didn't mean to interrupt you. 306 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:20,260 Speaker 1: Go ahead. 307 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,030 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you mentioned in the times that you 308 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:25,830 Speaker 2: would allow them to go out as uh in a 309 00:13:25,830 --> 00:13:28,939 Speaker 2: french group and then you would wait for the one 310 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: on one date, 311 00:13:30,740 --> 00:13:32,050 Speaker 2: if I recall correctly. 312 00:13:32,740 --> 00:13:36,030 Speaker 1: You do boy, you're a good listener, I don't know 313 00:13:36,030 --> 00:13:39,420 Speaker 1: how long it's been since I said that. Thank you. 314 00:13:39,429 --> 00:13:43,590 Speaker 1: So yeah, in our case at Rancho Madrid, our policy 315 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: was and and it was always no dating, 316 00:13:48,340 --> 00:13:50,650 Speaker 1: No dating until you're 18. 317 00:13:51,140 --> 00:13:53,459 Speaker 1: I mean dating dating like when you're getting in a 318 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:56,060 Speaker 1: car and going off to a restaurant or someplace together 319 00:13:56,070 --> 00:13:57,050 Speaker 1: by yourselves 320 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,179 Speaker 1: Group dating before that fine. Um and that would start, 321 00:14:02,190 --> 00:14:04,170 Speaker 1: I mean for most of the kids it would they 322 00:14:04,170 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: were interested in doing fun things as a group by 323 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: the time they were 15 324 00:14:08,530 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: And 15, 16, 17 group dating is fine, as long 325 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,990 Speaker 1: as we know who the group is 326 00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:17,300 Speaker 1: And more often than not it would be young people 327 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:20,330 Speaker 1: from the parish, you know, but not always, but that 328 00:14:20,330 --> 00:14:22,850 Speaker 1: was our policy. So you have to be 18 329 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: to be able to go on a one on one 330 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,380 Speaker 1: date and by that point you are now technically legally 331 00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:29,060 Speaker 1: an adult. 332 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: And so by going on group dates, you've had a 333 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,390 Speaker 1: chance to be around the opposite sex and to flirt 334 00:14:35,390 --> 00:14:38,150 Speaker 1: or to see flirting or to, you know, to get 335 00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: a sense of what it's like to be in the 336 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: company of an attractive person, your own age of the 337 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,260 Speaker 1: opposite sex. 338 00:14:44,740 --> 00:14:48,330 Speaker 1: And you know, I think it just naturally people who 339 00:14:48,330 --> 00:14:51,260 Speaker 1: are doing that kind of thing, they're going to learn 340 00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:53,930 Speaker 1: what they like and don't like and who they gravitate 341 00:14:53,930 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: towards or 342 00:14:55,340 --> 00:14:58,660 Speaker 1: you know, things like that. So in our case it 343 00:14:58,660 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: worked out well, I mean, I'm trying to think, were 344 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,450 Speaker 1: there any exceptions that I don't think so? 345 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:04,620 Speaker 1: Um, it seemed to work out well, so that by 346 00:15:04,620 --> 00:15:07,260 Speaker 1: the time the boys and girls got to be 18, 347 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: they had enough experience in a good sense 348 00:15:11,020 --> 00:15:13,060 Speaker 1: to strike off on their own and nancy. And I 349 00:15:13,060 --> 00:15:14,450 Speaker 1: still continue to 350 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,770 Speaker 1: offer advice and I, I will tell you Martha, there 351 00:15:17,770 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: were a couple of times, one or two in particular 352 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:23,250 Speaker 1: where one of my daughters was 353 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: going out or starting to go out with a guy 354 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: that I just absolutely disapproved of. And so I ran 355 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:31,460 Speaker 1: him off, 356 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: I told him I don't care what my daughter thinks, 357 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: you're not going to date my daughter and that's it. 358 00:15:36,850 --> 00:15:39,460 Speaker 1: And so I put myself between the two of them 359 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:43,290 Speaker 1: figuratively speaking and I ran him off and she's thanked 360 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:45,670 Speaker 1: me many times since then she's happily married with Children 361 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: and she you know adores her husband and 362 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,990 Speaker 1: she said more than once dad, I'm so glad that 363 00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:51,460 Speaker 1: you 364 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:54,609 Speaker 1: solve the problem when I didn't see the problem and 365 00:15:54,610 --> 00:15:57,090 Speaker 1: that you ran that guy off. So there is a 366 00:15:57,090 --> 00:15:57,850 Speaker 1: time for that. 367 00:15:59,280 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Okay. 368 00:16:01,340 --> 00:16:02,750 Speaker 2: Oh that sounds wonderful. 369 00:16:03,140 --> 00:16:06,050 Speaker 2: Thank you for your advice. We really appreciate that 370 00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:09,550 Speaker 1: you got it. You know I would give her a 371 00:16:09,550 --> 00:16:11,690 Speaker 1: copy of steve Wood's book, the A. B. CS of 372 00:16:11,690 --> 00:16:12,860 Speaker 1: Finding a good husband. 373 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,930 Speaker 1: And who knows maybe this young man is the one 374 00:16:15,930 --> 00:16:19,090 Speaker 1: who is described in this book. But this will give 375 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:21,260 Speaker 1: her a lot of really good tools 376 00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:24,130 Speaker 1: to know what to look for. What are the red 377 00:16:24,130 --> 00:16:24,980 Speaker 1: flags 378 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,700 Speaker 1: if you see these red flags, Head for the Hills, 379 00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:31,070 Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. It's a really good book. 380 00:16:31,070 --> 00:16:33,350 Speaker 1: The A. B. CS of finding a good husband 381 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: and then he wrote another book for the guys with 382 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: totally different information. The A. B. CS of Finding a 383 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: good wife. 384 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,270 Speaker 1: So that should be available at your local catholic bookstore. 385 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,970 Speaker 1: Maybe you can get it at the Shrine bookstore. If 386 00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:46,740 Speaker 1: you live close enough to the shrine of the immaculate conception. 387 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:48,460 Speaker 1: They've got a great bookstore there. 388 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,420 Speaker 1: Um and if you can't steve wood's website is dad's 389 00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:55,290 Speaker 1: dot org. A ds dot org. I've got to take 390 00:16:55,290 --> 00:16:58,140 Speaker 1: a break. Thanks Martha. And I certainly hope and pray 391 00:16:58,140 --> 00:16:59,150 Speaker 1: that your daughter has 392 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,790 Speaker 1: nothing but wonderful experiences and eventually she will find the 393 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,670 Speaker 1: man of her dreams will be a great husband and 394 00:17:06,670 --> 00:17:08,350 Speaker 1: they live a long and happy life together. 395 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,100 Speaker 1: Please God, I will be right back. 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That's actual audio 406 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,090 Speaker 1: of Drew Mariani getting his team ready before a show. 407 00:18:07,090 --> 00:18:09,340 Speaker 1: They do that every time they get on the air 408 00:18:09,410 --> 00:18:13,130 Speaker 1: every day. He's good, isn't he? Cyrus. He's good 409 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: mm hmm 410 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,460 Speaker 1: 88 9149149. I'm going to get to the phone calls 411 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:20,729 Speaker 1: here in a 2nd 1st though, 412 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,740 Speaker 1: I have a double duty item here for, it's a 413 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:26,859 Speaker 1: great band name. If there were a garage band named 414 00:18:26,859 --> 00:18:27,169 Speaker 1: the 415 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: The daredevil selfies, 416 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,410 Speaker 1: I bet they could make a ton of money just 417 00:18:31,410 --> 00:18:33,970 Speaker 1: from that name. What a great name, daredevil selfies. 418 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,669 Speaker 1: But the actual 419 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: reality is 420 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: um, there's a real problem of people who just do 421 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,970 Speaker 1: insane things. And I'm looking at some pictures of this, 422 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:49,929 Speaker 1: like climbing up, not just to the top of a skyscraper, 423 00:18:49,940 --> 00:18:52,459 Speaker 1: but going all the way up to the top of the, 424 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: Like the flagpole at the top of the skyscraper that 425 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,060 Speaker 1: goes up an extra 50 or 100 ft 426 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,730 Speaker 1: just a narrow tiny pole. And they get up to 427 00:19:00,730 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: the very top of that and they stand on it 428 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,780 Speaker 1: and they take pictures of themselves, 429 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,170 Speaker 1: daredevil selfies. And a lot of people 430 00:19:09,540 --> 00:19:12,790 Speaker 1: look at these pictures, Cyrus, there's a lady on the 431 00:19:12,790 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: ledge on the, on the side of a bill. Where did, 432 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,210 Speaker 1: how did she even get there? There's no window. That's 433 00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:22,460 Speaker 1: just no, there isn't. And she, she must be 434 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,669 Speaker 1: 60 stories, 70 stories. About 80 stories, maybe 100 stories. 435 00:19:27,670 --> 00:19:30,180 Speaker 1: I don't know, but she's way up there. I'm getting vertigo. 436 00:19:30,190 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Just looking at this photo, 437 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,889 Speaker 1: daredevil selfies. I'll post these. So people know what you're 438 00:19:35,890 --> 00:19:36,450 Speaker 1: talking about. 439 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,859 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be helpful. Thank you. 440 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:42,020 Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the one where this, this young 441 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:44,750 Speaker 1: woman is not only on the top of this two 442 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: ft wide pole on top of a skyscraper 443 00:19:47,740 --> 00:19:50,070 Speaker 1: with the rest of the city far below her, but 444 00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:53,250 Speaker 1: she's holding a selfie stick with the phone taking her 445 00:19:53,250 --> 00:19:56,310 Speaker 1: picture and she's sitting on the shoulders of the guy 446 00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:58,169 Speaker 1: who's standing on the top of the two ft pole, 447 00:19:59,140 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: like a million feet up in the air, 448 00:20:01,540 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: taking a selfie. And then the woman who is sitting 449 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,890 Speaker 1: on this ledge, she's like a million feet in the air. 450 00:20:05,890 --> 00:20:07,490 Speaker 1: So the reason I'm bringing this up is 451 00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: the point being is there are a lot of people 452 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: who are dying 453 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,020 Speaker 1: because of this craziness, they want to they want to 454 00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:16,340 Speaker 1: get the ultimate selfie and I suppose that is kind 455 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: of the ultimate selfie but also might be the very 456 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,660 Speaker 1: last thing you ever do. 457 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,150 Speaker 1: Like this one guy, he's sitting on the edge of 458 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:24,790 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, the rock of Gibraltar 459 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:25,460 Speaker 1: or something 460 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,770 Speaker 1: and he's just like sitting 461 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,850 Speaker 1: right on and it's not a sharp edge, it's a 462 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:33,060 Speaker 1: sloped edge. There's not even any 463 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:34,270 Speaker 1: Mhm 464 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:36,710 Speaker 1: I don't I don't even have to describe it, He's 465 00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:39,450 Speaker 1: sitting with his legs hanging over and he's looking 466 00:20:39,940 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Like, I don't know like 2000 ft in the air 467 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,350 Speaker 1: on this rock promontory 468 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: and if he one false move, 469 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,980 Speaker 1: if he just slides a little bit forward, the guy's dead. 470 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,459 Speaker 1: I mean he'd have to travel 2000 ft before he's dead, 471 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,430 Speaker 1: but he's dead. But think of all the likes they're 472 00:20:59,430 --> 00:21:01,300 Speaker 1: going to get so many likes. 473 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:04,260 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, 474 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:06,850 Speaker 1: you know, the funny thing Cyrus is that 475 00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:11,630 Speaker 1: in heaven you can't check your likes or in hell 476 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,210 Speaker 1: or in purgatory, you can't check your likes. You can't 477 00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:17,190 Speaker 1: check to see how many times your selfie has been retweeted. 478 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,859 Speaker 1: Well you don't know that. 479 00:21:19,660 --> 00:21:23,139 Speaker 1: I do. I think I have solid theological to say 480 00:21:23,140 --> 00:21:25,270 Speaker 1: that 481 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: here's, here's somebody who's sleeping in a sleeping bag 482 00:21:30,540 --> 00:21:33,450 Speaker 1: on a what looks like, you know, like maybe a 483 00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:37,170 Speaker 1: two ft wide gurney type bed 484 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:40,169 Speaker 1: that's attached to a sheer 485 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,979 Speaker 1: rock cliff someplace 486 00:21:43,940 --> 00:21:46,869 Speaker 1: and, and there's like clouds below them. It's hard to 487 00:21:46,869 --> 00:21:48,990 Speaker 1: really tell how high up this is, but the same 488 00:21:48,990 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: thing and if you, 489 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:52,050 Speaker 1: if you roll over the edge, you're dead. 490 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,730 Speaker 1: So word to the wise. And the reason I'm bringing 491 00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:57,860 Speaker 1: this up is because it's really 492 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,950 Speaker 1: crazy phenomenon. And a lot of people, young people especially, 493 00:22:03,140 --> 00:22:05,770 Speaker 1: maybe it's because they're young and stupid and they just 494 00:22:05,770 --> 00:22:07,940 Speaker 1: don't understand how gravity works. 495 00:22:08,940 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: But if you read this article and see some of 496 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: these pictures, you realize, okay, well, you know, you made 497 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,350 Speaker 1: it this time, but the next time you take one 498 00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: of those pictures, you could easily slip and fall to 499 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,020 Speaker 1: your death and I don't like to talk or think 500 00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:21,929 Speaker 1: about morbid topics like that. But I sure don't want 501 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:22,950 Speaker 1: to see people die 502 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:24,850 Speaker 1: because of 503 00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: their attempt to get a selfie in a way. It 504 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,380 Speaker 1: reminds me of people who are dumb enough that they'll 505 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:33,110 Speaker 1: climb into an animal enclosure, like at the zoo where 506 00:22:33,109 --> 00:22:34,270 Speaker 1: the lions are 507 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:36,990 Speaker 1: because they want a better picture. They want a selfie 508 00:22:36,990 --> 00:22:37,860 Speaker 1: and they get eaten 509 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: bad idea. 510 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:43,230 Speaker 1: This reminds didn't you shared a story like a year, 511 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,340 Speaker 1: maybe a year and a half ago where it was 512 00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: one of these types of people that actually 513 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:48,770 Speaker 1: was killed. 514 00:22:49,340 --> 00:22:51,930 Speaker 1: It was a young, was a young woman, a young woman, 515 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:55,430 Speaker 1: she was, she was like mountain climbing or something like 516 00:22:55,430 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: that and she would get these really startlingly terrifyingly dangerous 517 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,660 Speaker 1: pictures of her on these, 518 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,470 Speaker 1: you know, these ledges and places way up high in 519 00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:09,129 Speaker 1: the mountains and she slipped and fell and died. She 520 00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:10,850 Speaker 1: was beautiful and young 521 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:14,850 Speaker 1: and she was, she was, what are they, what are 522 00:23:14,850 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: the young people say nowadays? She was an influencer. 523 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:21,510 Speaker 1: She was an influencer, but that didn't last and you 524 00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: don't take it with you 525 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,460 Speaker 1: and you can't check your likes when you're in purgatory 526 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: or wherever else you happen to be. 527 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,530 Speaker 1: So I'm just saying all this as a public service 528 00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:34,500 Speaker 1: announcement and maybe parents, especially if your kids are into 529 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:35,550 Speaker 1: the selfie culture, 530 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:38,709 Speaker 1: well maybe if you're an adult and you're in the 531 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:40,619 Speaker 1: selfie culture, there are a lot of people who who 532 00:23:40,619 --> 00:23:41,270 Speaker 1: did this, 533 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:44,030 Speaker 1: take a look at this and then look at the 534 00:23:44,030 --> 00:23:45,770 Speaker 1: number of people who die every year 535 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,270 Speaker 1: and ask yourself is it really worth it to get 536 00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: that picture? 537 00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:52,930 Speaker 1: I don't just Photoshop put your Photoshop yourself on top 538 00:23:52,930 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: of the pole. Problem solved. Right. Cyrus, that's what you do. 539 00:23:56,170 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: That's funny. I, as an influencer, I went to a 540 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: concert with my, with my best friend from forever and 541 00:24:02,730 --> 00:24:04,980 Speaker 1: we were taking, I haven't seen him in years and 542 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:07,710 Speaker 1: so we were taking a selfie outside of the place 543 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:08,170 Speaker 1: and 544 00:24:08,340 --> 00:24:10,350 Speaker 1: and a car drove by it with these dudes 545 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,350 Speaker 1: and so I'm standing there taking a selfie with, you know, 546 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:15,810 Speaker 1: two grown men taking a selfie and this car rolls 547 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:20,980 Speaker 1: by and they go selfie and I laughed so hard 548 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:23,419 Speaker 1: at them making fun of us that Now whenever I 549 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:28,070 Speaker 1: see someone taking a selfie, I passed that on, it's 550 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: a selfie. 551 00:24:30,490 --> 00:24:31,860 Speaker 1: Remember you should try it. 552 00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:35,100 Speaker 1: I may use that on you at just the right moment. 553 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,669 Speaker 1: And the next time we take a selfie 554 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,629 Speaker 1: we have, Oh by the way, we, before we go 555 00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:43,390 Speaker 1: to the phones there is a selfie of you and me, 556 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,770 Speaker 1: you and I, there's a selfie on my 557 00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:50,350 Speaker 1: how would we get there? So if you go to 558 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,659 Speaker 1: relevant radio dot com slash Patrick, click on links 559 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,270 Speaker 1: and then click on any, click on books or whatever 560 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,390 Speaker 1: and when you get there, you'll see a page called 561 00:25:01,390 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: pictures 562 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:05,300 Speaker 1: and well it's not, Yeah, it is a page, but 563 00:25:05,310 --> 00:25:07,859 Speaker 1: when you go, you'll see in the navigation bar 564 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,390 Speaker 1: where it says 565 00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:14,850 Speaker 1: about blog articles, you'll see when it says pictures, 566 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:17,859 Speaker 1: if you click on that, you will find a selfie. 567 00:25:18,340 --> 00:25:20,300 Speaker 1: Well actually, no, it wasn't technically a selfie because someone 568 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:21,060 Speaker 1: else took a picture. 569 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,450 Speaker 1: But you'll see a picture of Cyrus and me, 570 00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:25,859 Speaker 1: that's not and you'll have to 571 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,659 Speaker 1: Oh, that's you. 572 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:31,310 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good picture of you actually. It probably 573 00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: is the best picture of me ever, 574 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,150 Speaker 1: because I was in the picture. 575 00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:37,150 Speaker 1: Yeah. 576 00:25:37,540 --> 00:25:40,930 Speaker 1: Alright, let's get some work done. Huh? Let's go to 577 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Connie and Oakland. Good morning Connie, welcome. 578 00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:46,060 Speaker 2: Oh, good morning, 579 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,660 Speaker 2: thank you. Yes, 580 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:51,670 Speaker 2: this is about work. There is a few 581 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,669 Speaker 2: weeks ago, Yes, it's about work 582 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,220 Speaker 2: and it was a friday I remember and you were 583 00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:59,169 Speaker 2: talking about young people 584 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:02,540 Speaker 2: not wanting to work, some kind of new idea. I 585 00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: thought it was sort of 586 00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:06,550 Speaker 2: appalling in a way and 587 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:10,260 Speaker 2: and you know, you think how can people not work? 588 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:13,149 Speaker 2: You know? But um and then later I was thinking 589 00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: about it and I thought, wow, work is just the 590 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: great elixir. I mean it's it's 591 00:26:17,670 --> 00:26:20,909 Speaker 2: can make you feel better to just work at something 592 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,270 Speaker 2: and then 593 00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:25,699 Speaker 2: uh a week or so later, a few weeks ago 594 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:29,010 Speaker 2: at church, there was a hymn that I've lost track 595 00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: of it now, but it 596 00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:31,770 Speaker 2: was, it said jesus, 597 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,729 Speaker 2: I was talking about working, there was a line in it, 598 00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:39,050 Speaker 2: jesus talked about working all day till the night came 599 00:26:39,050 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: on and I thought ha I don't know any, 600 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:44,940 Speaker 2: I've never thought about a bible verse with 601 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,260 Speaker 2: with jesus talking about work 602 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: because I don't I just didn't know anything 603 00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: and I did look it up, there was a lot 604 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,449 Speaker 2: of translations, 605 00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 2: but you know, and I believe in work, although sometimes 606 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: I get kind of discouraged and I thought well maybe 607 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,850 Speaker 2: I could call 608 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,350 Speaker 2: Patrick 609 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,669 Speaker 2: Madrid showing matters. 610 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: Well, 611 00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: I think 612 00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 2: spin, 613 00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:15,050 Speaker 1: I think the passage that you're thinking of 614 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: Is in Luke 24 615 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:21,300 Speaker 1: and this is where jesus meets two of the disciples 616 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:22,590 Speaker 1: on the road to Damascus 617 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,669 Speaker 1: and they, 618 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,450 Speaker 1: they don't recognize him 619 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:31,230 Speaker 1: and he says to them, let us let us go 620 00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:31,859 Speaker 1: and eat 621 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,950 Speaker 1: because he's telling them about his own resurrection 622 00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:37,860 Speaker 1: and they didn't recognize him. 623 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,670 Speaker 1: And so there is, there is a phrase there, let 624 00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:45,350 Speaker 1: me see if I can find that where he says 625 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: um he doesn't say work, but he says 626 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,010 Speaker 1: They said to him this is verse 29, stay with 627 00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:54,010 Speaker 1: us for it is toward evening and the day is 628 00:27:54,010 --> 00:27:56,220 Speaker 1: now far spent. So he went in to stay with 629 00:27:56,220 --> 00:27:58,619 Speaker 1: him when he was at table with them he took 630 00:27:58,630 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to 631 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,020 Speaker 1: them 632 00:28:01,540 --> 00:28:03,609 Speaker 1: and their eyes were opened and they recognized him and 633 00:28:03,609 --> 00:28:05,050 Speaker 1: he vanished out of their sight 634 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,130 Speaker 1: and they said to each other did not, our hearts 635 00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: burn within us while he talked to us on the 636 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: road and opened the scriptures. So now that's not the one. 637 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,869 Speaker 1: But I thought there was a mention about, you know, 638 00:28:15,869 --> 00:28:18,020 Speaker 1: the work being done and I think there is, we 639 00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:19,860 Speaker 1: just need to do a little bit of searching for it. 640 00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:21,260 Speaker 1: Um 641 00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:24,910 Speaker 1: You know, one thing to keep in mind is that jesus, 642 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:28,470 Speaker 1: he didn't say that much at all about work, at 643 00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: least not using that term work. 644 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:34,550 Speaker 1: Um everybody worked, in fact, Saint paul said 645 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:37,460 Speaker 1: that if somebody won't work, he can't eat, 646 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: you 647 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,870 Speaker 1: know, let let him not eat that second Thessalonians three 648 00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: verse 10, 649 00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: if anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. 650 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:47,010 Speaker 1: So no loafers allowed 651 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: in Saint paul's view. 652 00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:51,310 Speaker 1: Now that of course didn't apply to people who couldn't 653 00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:53,350 Speaker 1: work if they were sick or young. 654 00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:57,540 Speaker 1: But as far as jesus is concerned, I'm trying to 655 00:28:57,540 --> 00:29:00,330 Speaker 1: think of any place where he actually talks about work 656 00:29:00,330 --> 00:29:02,930 Speaker 1: or I mean he talks about people working in the 657 00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: vineyard or working 658 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:10,010 Speaker 1: um you know, harvesting wheat and things. So he describes work, 659 00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:10,260 Speaker 1: but I 660 00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:10,670 Speaker 2: don't 661 00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:13,930 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, I don't know of 662 00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:15,270 Speaker 1: one where he actually 663 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:17,460 Speaker 1: extols it. 664 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,100 Speaker 1: That's an interesting 665 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:19,850 Speaker 2: question. 666 00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:24,740 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's something about the night until the night 667 00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: till the night till it's dark because you can't work 668 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: at night. 669 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: That's right, okay, there you go. He's 670 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: here with me. 671 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: Well, me too, 672 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,150 Speaker 1: I know what you're referring to, He's talking there about, 673 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,370 Speaker 1: it's in the same kind of context is where he 674 00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:43,930 Speaker 1: says right now, you it's appropriate for you to rejoice 675 00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: because you have the bride groom with you. 676 00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:48,610 Speaker 1: But the time will come when I will not be 677 00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:49,060 Speaker 1: with you. 678 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,110 Speaker 1: And so in the same sort of vein, 679 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:54,130 Speaker 1: when he's saying, you know, 680 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,060 Speaker 1: you can't work at night, 681 00:29:56,740 --> 00:30:00,620 Speaker 1: so do what you can do now while there is 682 00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:03,220 Speaker 1: time while there is light. So I think the light 683 00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:03,670 Speaker 1: in that 684 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,750 Speaker 1: context has to do more with not so much physical light, 685 00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:07,060 Speaker 1: but 686 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,450 Speaker 1: that you're able to accomplish things like make hay while 687 00:30:10,450 --> 00:30:12,450 Speaker 1: the sun shines that old adage. 688 00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:15,770 Speaker 1: Um so that's gonna go on my list. I want 689 00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:17,650 Speaker 1: to find that first. I just don't know it off 690 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:18,460 Speaker 1: the top of my head, 691 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,060 Speaker 1: but I appreciate the call Connie, thank you for that. 692 00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:24,170 Speaker 1: Let's go now to Kylie in Greenville. 693 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,270 Speaker 1: Hi, Kylie, 694 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,670 Speaker 2: hi Patrick. 695 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,010 Speaker 2: Um I had a question or I have a question 696 00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:35,110 Speaker 2: about tomorrow being the feast of the annunciation. And so 697 00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:36,270 Speaker 2: we don't have to fast. 698 00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:39,250 Speaker 2: We don't have to abstain from me. And I was 699 00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:41,350 Speaker 2: wondering if we choose to 700 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,670 Speaker 2: fast 701 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: because of the consecration to Russia. Is that not honoring mary? 702 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 2: Um in her 703 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: annunciation? 704 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:54,010 Speaker 1: No, it's not. And and here's here's the way I 705 00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:54,770 Speaker 1: would look at it. 706 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,709 Speaker 1: You're in no way dishonoring our lady if you are 707 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: doing those things that pertain to christian virtue 708 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: so fasting alms giving 709 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,770 Speaker 1: abstaining from meat if that's another thing that you want 710 00:31:09,770 --> 00:31:10,270 Speaker 1: to do 711 00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:12,460 Speaker 1: and of course during friday's 712 00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:14,550 Speaker 1: Fridays during lent 713 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: outside of the solemnity it is required to give up 714 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,770 Speaker 1: meat on friday. 715 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:25,310 Speaker 1: So it's never a matter of your you're doing something 716 00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:28,740 Speaker 1: wrong if even on a feast day, even on a 717 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:31,770 Speaker 1: sunday or a solemnity, if you 718 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,550 Speaker 1: decide that you want to continue 719 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,170 Speaker 1: with your penance, there's nothing wrong with that. 720 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't look at it as if you were 721 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,140 Speaker 1: doing anything negative I would say if nothing else it's 722 00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:47,270 Speaker 1: perhaps even more meritorious because you have the right 723 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,450 Speaker 1: to partake of 724 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,860 Speaker 1: meet on that day at least under the church's law, 725 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,260 Speaker 1: you have 726 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,270 Speaker 1: the right to 727 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,430 Speaker 1: celebrate obviously, but if you choose not to do that 728 00:32:00,430 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: then you would be in my view like those great 729 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: saints of old who would fast 730 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:08,070 Speaker 1: for their whole lives. They go out in the desert 731 00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:09,780 Speaker 1: and they fast and they pray and they didn't take 732 00:32:09,790 --> 00:32:12,730 Speaker 1: days off, they didn't take sunday off like saint Anthony 733 00:32:12,730 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: of the desert 734 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: skin and bones, you know, and he all he did 735 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,890 Speaker 1: was pray and he fasted mercilessly and he lived to 736 00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:21,050 Speaker 1: a ripe old age, 737 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,170 Speaker 1: he didn't take Sundays off, 738 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,770 Speaker 1: he didn't take christmas and easter off 739 00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:28,270 Speaker 1: and go down and you know, get a big Mac 740 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,900 Speaker 1: on the day that he decided not to fast, he 741 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,650 Speaker 1: he was hardcore and so there's nothing wrong with being 742 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,270 Speaker 1: that way is what I'm trying to say 743 00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: and you shouldn't think as though you're letting our lady down. 744 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:41,770 Speaker 2: Thank you. 745 00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:44,970 Speaker 1: Alright do you plan to get to church on friday 746 00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:45,670 Speaker 1: tomorrow 747 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,050 Speaker 1: and 748 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,110 Speaker 1: if you can get the confession. 749 00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:54,130 Speaker 2: Yeah that's my plan and head to the church in 750 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:54,770 Speaker 2: the morning. 751 00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: Awesome. 752 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,750 Speaker 1: Well we will all be praying together that's for sure. 753 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:02,470 Speaker 1: And you can keep relevant radio in your pocket if 754 00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:04,550 Speaker 1: you take your relevant radio app with you 755 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: and then you can tune in when it's convenient and 756 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,989 Speaker 1: appropriate and listen and pray along with the Holy Father 757 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:11,530 Speaker 1: when he's 758 00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:15,190 Speaker 1: praying. That consecration. Prayer kelly or I'm sorry Kylie, thank 759 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,620 Speaker 1: you appreciate it. I'm coming right back right after this. 760 00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:30,860 Speaker 1: Mm hmm 761 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: mm hmm. 762 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:35,980 Speaker 1: Catholic order of Foresters is proud to sponsor the relevant 763 00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:39,940 Speaker 1: radio studio line for information about employment opportunities and flexible 764 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:45,170 Speaker 1: premium life insurance plans, visit relevant radio dot com slash Forrester. 765 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,610 Speaker 1: Keeping it relevant, it's the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio, 766 00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:53,060 Speaker 1: join the conversation at 888 767 00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:59,950 Speaker 1: 9149149. That's 8 889149149. 768 00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: We are back. Thank you for listening. The number is 8889149149. 769 00:34:07,570 --> 00:34:11,180 Speaker 1: Let us go to tom in san Antonio texas. Good 770 00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:17,130 Speaker 1: morning tom. Welcome to the program I don't think tom 771 00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:17,950 Speaker 1: is ready. 772 00:34:20,170 --> 00:34:23,969 Speaker 1: Alright tom we'll come back to you. 773 00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:27,270 Speaker 1: Uh Let's see once tom gets it together. We'll come 774 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:30,140 Speaker 1: back to tom let's go to C. R. In san Francisco. 775 00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:31,060 Speaker 1: Good morning cr. 776 00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:35,670 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 777 00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:40,940 Speaker 1: I thought you were talking to tom maybe welcome. 778 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,660 Speaker 1: Yes good morning. 779 00:34:44,140 --> 00:34:46,510 Speaker 1: Hey I have a question and I'm probably being lazy. 780 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: I could probably you know research on the internet but 781 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,350 Speaker 1: I like your answer is better. So 782 00:34:50,739 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: um 783 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: thanks 784 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:53,450 Speaker 2: the 785 00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:56,770 Speaker 1: bible. The catholic bible has got you know extra books 786 00:34:56,770 --> 00:34:58,549 Speaker 1: and and and scripture 787 00:34:58,940 --> 00:35:01,460 Speaker 1: that are removed from the protestant versions 788 00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:04,750 Speaker 1: and some of those books speak to things that are 789 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,170 Speaker 1: you know 790 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,100 Speaker 2: put into the 791 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: catholic thing, purgatory or 792 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,220 Speaker 1: you know and or you know praying to the deceased 793 00:35:12,219 --> 00:35:13,860 Speaker 1: or what have you. Um 794 00:35:14,739 --> 00:35:18,259 Speaker 1: why if it was there before, you know, let's I'm 795 00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: just saying lutheranism or what have you broke up and 796 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,250 Speaker 1: started the non catholic tradition, why would they just say 797 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:24,950 Speaker 1: we're not going to have 798 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: these books 799 00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: if they were there before, 800 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,779 Speaker 1: why would they not have them on their versions? Does 801 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: that make sense? 802 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,290 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. Well I mean having having spoken about 803 00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:40,969 Speaker 1: this issue to countless Protestants, you know ministers and other people, 804 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: what I have perceived 805 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: is it's because this is what the catholic church says 806 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,890 Speaker 1: and because the catholic church says that it's almost certainly 807 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:50,860 Speaker 1: going to be wrong. 808 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:53,820 Speaker 1: And so not only do you have that built in 809 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: resistance for some of those and not not many really. 810 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,450 Speaker 1: I mean 2nd 2nd Maccabees. Chapter 12 is probably the 811 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:06,670 Speaker 1: classic passage where Protestants would object to it because it 812 00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:08,770 Speaker 1: says there. It's a holy and wholesome thought to pray 813 00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:09,450 Speaker 1: for the dead, 814 00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:12,030 Speaker 1: that they might be loosed from their sins. So although 815 00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't use the word purgatory, it's really clear 816 00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:17,609 Speaker 1: that you can pray for people and it will help them. 817 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:20,390 Speaker 1: And that would only be the case if they're in purgatory. So, 818 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:21,049 Speaker 1: because 819 00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:24,890 Speaker 1: even though protestantism is not monolithic, they don't all believe 820 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,750 Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. There are many permutations and contradictions 821 00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:30,050 Speaker 1: among Protestants, but 822 00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:33,810 Speaker 1: as a general principle, they don't accept purgatory. 823 00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: And so they would say that the passages that that 824 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: a catholic might quote 825 00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:41,549 Speaker 1: to talk about purgatory. Well, that doesn't mean purgatory 826 00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's really because they 827 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:48,299 Speaker 1: that they that they are necessarily thinking it through and 828 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:53,250 Speaker 1: contemplating theologically and biblically, does this really is this really 829 00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:55,049 Speaker 1: what it says? I think it's more of a 830 00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:59,540 Speaker 1: reflexive knee jerk reaction that because the catholic church says this, 831 00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:01,549 Speaker 1: therefore it's wrong because the catholic church is wrong. 832 00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: So, in the case of say, 2nd 2nd Maccabees chapter 12, 833 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:13,010 Speaker 1: it's just an inconvenient passage. I mean, if in your bible, 834 00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:15,259 Speaker 1: it says it's a holy and wholesome thought to pray 835 00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:17,169 Speaker 1: for the dead, that they might be loose from their sins, 836 00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:20,660 Speaker 1: how do you reconcile that with your rejection of purgatory? 837 00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:21,350 Speaker 1: You can't 838 00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: Not, in a way not dissimilar to how in James 224, 839 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,750 Speaker 1: it says you see them that a man is justified 840 00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:33,250 Speaker 1: by works and not by faith alone. 841 00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: Well, martin Luther said a man is justified by faith alone. 842 00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: And so that is like another example. But it was 843 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: much more difficult, you know, in essence impossible 844 00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:49,140 Speaker 1: to eliminate that book from the bible because James was 845 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: not one of those books. That was what we would 846 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,110 Speaker 1: call say in the Douro Cannon, Although the Deodoro canon 847 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: refers specifically to those old testament books, the seven books 848 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,489 Speaker 1: in question, but there were some books in the new 849 00:38:01,489 --> 00:38:03,950 Speaker 1: testament that were not immediately 850 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: and universally recognized as authentic. And so it took more time. 851 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,540 Speaker 1: But 852 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,260 Speaker 1: those books are in the Cannon from the earliest centuries. 853 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:15,129 Speaker 1: So say by the fourth century, they were reckoned as 854 00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:17,450 Speaker 1: part of the canon. So you couldn't really eliminate 855 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,650 Speaker 1: the epistle of ST James. 856 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,340 Speaker 1: So in that case, rather than eliminating the book, typically 857 00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:25,630 Speaker 1: what a protestant would do is to say, well that's 858 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,140 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that 859 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: where ST James says that you are justified by works 860 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,860 Speaker 1: and not by faith alone. They'll say well, what he's 861 00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:38,210 Speaker 1: talking about is justified in the eyes of other human beings. 862 00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:41,450 Speaker 1: Where ST James says, you know, you say you have faith, 863 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: I'll show you my faith by my works. In other words, 864 00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:47,140 Speaker 1: they will latch onto passages like that and say, well, 865 00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:48,940 Speaker 1: the context is that he's 866 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:50,450 Speaker 1: he's trying to 867 00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:55,609 Speaker 1: um he's differentiating between justification in God's eyes versus being 868 00:38:55,610 --> 00:38:57,370 Speaker 1: justified in the eyes of other human beings. And by 869 00:38:57,370 --> 00:38:59,419 Speaker 1: the way, he's not he's not, he's not doing that 870 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: at all, 871 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,950 Speaker 1: but as a way to 872 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,629 Speaker 1: get around the clear meaning of that passage? This plane 873 00:39:07,630 --> 00:39:10,770 Speaker 1: meaning you are justified by works and not by faith alone. 874 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:11,650 Speaker 1: Mhm. 875 00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:14,740 Speaker 1: They have to have a choice. You either eliminate that 876 00:39:14,739 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: book from the bible, which we're not going to do 877 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,180 Speaker 1: or you say it doesn't mean that it means something else. 878 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: And by the way, as a footnote, 879 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: it absolutely means justification before God because he's talking in 880 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,540 Speaker 1: that passage about Abraham 881 00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:31,610 Speaker 1: and how he was justified before God because of his 882 00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:34,790 Speaker 1: faith and the fact that he was willing to sacrifice 883 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,299 Speaker 1: his son Isaac. And he talks there about how Abraham 884 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:39,150 Speaker 1: took Isaac 885 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,509 Speaker 1: up the mountain to be sacrificed. Well, if you go 886 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:43,790 Speaker 1: back into genesis and read that passage, you see there 887 00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:44,950 Speaker 1: were no other people there 888 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: because at the base of the mountain, Abraham told all 889 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,100 Speaker 1: of his retinue, 890 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,270 Speaker 1: you guys stay here, I'm going up there, you guys 891 00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:55,780 Speaker 1: stay here. So there was no human audience. 892 00:39:56,219 --> 00:39:57,330 Speaker 1: It was only God 893 00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: and that's what he invokes as the passage when he says, 894 00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:04,100 Speaker 1: you see that a man is justified by works and 895 00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: not by faith alone. So that's a somewhat of a 896 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,450 Speaker 1: deviation tom But the reason I say that is because 897 00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:13,029 Speaker 1: I'm not tom cr because 898 00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:17,350 Speaker 1: there's an example of where in the case of second 899 00:40:17,350 --> 00:40:20,750 Speaker 1: Maccabees and first Maccabees and Judith and Toby et cetera, 900 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,140 Speaker 1: those books 901 00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:25,020 Speaker 1: to answer your question, why were they eliminated? How could 902 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:26,530 Speaker 1: they do this if they had been in the can 903 00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:29,860 Speaker 1: in all these years, What they typically would say is, well, 904 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:32,810 Speaker 1: because the catholic church says they're in the bible, the 905 00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:34,140 Speaker 1: jews don't accept them 906 00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:37,740 Speaker 1: and we're not going to go along with the catholic church. 907 00:40:38,410 --> 00:40:42,140 Speaker 1: If the jews don't accept these books in the bible, 908 00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:44,390 Speaker 1: that's enough of a reason for us, because after all 909 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:46,569 Speaker 1: this is their bible, this is the old testament and 910 00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:47,530 Speaker 1: they would know best. 911 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:51,450 Speaker 1: That's flawed logic, of course, but that's usually what is 912 00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:54,029 Speaker 1: invoked now. What's interesting if you want a little bit more, 913 00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: what's interesting is that when the 914 00:40:59,210 --> 00:41:00,140 Speaker 1: rabbinic 915 00:41:00,610 --> 00:41:04,070 Speaker 1: version of the old testament, the jewish bible as they 916 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:04,740 Speaker 1: understand it 917 00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:08,150 Speaker 1: when that took the shape that it eventually did. Now, 918 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: this is after the time of jesus, 919 00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:14,770 Speaker 1: After the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD 70. 920 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: And there was a very strong sort of xenophobic 921 00:41:21,110 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: hatred and fear of pagans 922 00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:27,170 Speaker 1: even more so than there would have been before, because 923 00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:31,410 Speaker 1: after all these pagans destroyed the temple, They defiled the temple, 924 00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:32,259 Speaker 1: the holy of holies 925 00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:35,310 Speaker 1: and everything in it. So for them, it was just 926 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,020 Speaker 1: unthinkable that God might inspire scripture in a language other 927 00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:40,629 Speaker 1: than hebrew, 928 00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: they just couldn't fathom it just, this does not compute. 929 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: So when they were evaluating some of these books that 930 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: had been, as you pointed out, they had been in 931 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: the Bible for the last nearly 400 years. And that 932 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,030 Speaker 1: would be in the sub to agent version, which was 933 00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:58,339 Speaker 1: the majority of Jews in the world at that time 934 00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: were Greek speaking, many were make speaking and because of 935 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,230 Speaker 1: the Babylonian captivity, but the main 936 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: group they spoke greek. And so the sub to agent 937 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,170 Speaker 1: version of the bible which contains those seven books, 938 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: uh it was readily accepted, readily considered. This is part 939 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,460 Speaker 1: of the bible. So when they were evaluating them, it 940 00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:21,379 Speaker 1: wasn't on the basis of what these books contained, like 941 00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:24,330 Speaker 1: second Maccabees chapter 12 to pray for the dead. They 942 00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: did that, they did pray for the dead. 943 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,900 Speaker 1: So it wasn't, they didn't object to the doctrinal issues 944 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:33,710 Speaker 1: that Protestants did. They objected to them because the earliest 945 00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:35,620 Speaker 1: manuscripts they could find were found in greek. 946 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,230 Speaker 1: They didn't, they didn't know that there were earlier manuscripts 947 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,700 Speaker 1: before those 948 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,490 Speaker 1: That were in hebrew, that only was known by the 949 00:42:44,489 --> 00:42:46,830 Speaker 1: time we get to the 1940s when the Kumaran 950 00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:51,550 Speaker 1: dead sea scrolls were discovered. That's when that evidence emerged. 951 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: So 952 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,899 Speaker 1: maybe I'm giving you too long of an answer for 953 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:56,110 Speaker 1: your short question. But 954 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,670 Speaker 1: those are some of the things that go into say 955 00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:03,339 Speaker 1: the protestant bibles not having those seven books saying that. Well, 956 00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: the jews don't accept it. And by the way, there's 957 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: some problems in those books, so we don't accept it. 958 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: And the catholic church likes them. So we definitely don't 959 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: like those books, 960 00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:12,620 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. 961 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:15,739 Speaker 1: They would phrase it somewhat differently, but I think at 962 00:43:15,739 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: its essence it it revolves around those big issues, 963 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,730 Speaker 1: interesting. Well yeah, thank you. That's 964 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,930 Speaker 1: a lot clearer. Were also 965 00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: teddy I think you know I mean but you know 966 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,650 Speaker 1: I I just wondered that if it was there, why 967 00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: would you drop it? And and like you brought up James, 968 00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:37,739 Speaker 1: why not James? Well you mentioned because the context of 969 00:43:37,739 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: it we should work with a little bit better, it 970 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,230 Speaker 1: seems so well. Okay, thank you. Thank you sir. Would 971 00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:46,620 Speaker 1: you like a book recommendation? I think you might enjoy it. 972 00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:51,970 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. The book is called why catholic 973 00:43:51,969 --> 00:43:52,939 Speaker 1: bibles are bigger 974 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,250 Speaker 1: by Gary matured A M I C H U T A. 975 00:43:57,260 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: It's a it's a book that that focuses solely upon 976 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,219 Speaker 1: this controversy 977 00:44:01,590 --> 00:44:03,670 Speaker 1: of the seven due to a canonical books in the 978 00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: old Testament and the history and the pedigree of these 979 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,730 Speaker 1: books and all of it. It's it's a very interesting 980 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:12,460 Speaker 1: read but I think it'll give you just tons of 981 00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:14,509 Speaker 1: information if you're interested in this topic. 982 00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:17,830 Speaker 1: What's that name again? Excellent. Thank you and thank you 983 00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:20,750 Speaker 1: for your show. I love this. So thank you. I 984 00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:21,310 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 985 00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, Cyrus. The name of the book is called. 986 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,500 Speaker 1: White catholic bibles are bigger. 987 00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 1: Excellent. Thanks. 988 00:44:27,989 --> 00:44:29,910 Speaker 1: Yeah and we'll get a link posted. Thank you. 989 00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: Let's try tom again tom and san Antonio. Welcome back 990 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,709 Speaker 1: to the program. 991 00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:35,140 Speaker 2: Hi 992 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: Patrick. Yeah, I'm sorry I flubbed up on that. But 993 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,240 Speaker 1: my question it's okay, It gave us an opportunity to 994 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,969 Speaker 1: laugh a little bit. So that was good. I was 995 00:44:45,969 --> 00:44:47,300 Speaker 1: working so I could eat 996 00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:53,100 Speaker 1: anyways. So my question is about uh doing evil 997 00:44:53,489 --> 00:44:56,170 Speaker 1: with a good outcome. And I know you had mentioned 998 00:44:56,170 --> 00:45:00,250 Speaker 1: something about uh oh dropping the bomb and things like 999 00:45:00,250 --> 00:45:02,750 Speaker 1: that and I just want to where you can find 1000 00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 1: that in scripture. 1001 00:45:05,290 --> 00:45:08,900 Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. The praise where ST paul says um 1002 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:13,180 Speaker 1: what's romans 38? And let me just open to it. Yeah, 1003 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: romans 38. So he hears he says, and why do not, 1004 00:45:16,850 --> 00:45:17,610 Speaker 1: I'm sorry 1005 00:45:17,989 --> 00:45:20,860 Speaker 1: and why not do evil? The good may come as 1006 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:24,870 Speaker 1: some people slanderous lee charges with saying their condemnation is 1007 00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:27,469 Speaker 1: just so he he's not asking the question as if 1008 00:45:27,469 --> 00:45:32,370 Speaker 1: he's wondering, he's paraphrasing what other people say about christians. 1009 00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:35,570 Speaker 1: So apparently there were those who are slandering the early 1010 00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:37,220 Speaker 1: christians by saying that they 1011 00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:40,260 Speaker 1: they'll do evil things for a good purpose. 1012 00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: And so he's rejecting that. And and by doing so 1013 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,410 Speaker 1: he's also pointing out that you can't do evil 1014 00:45:47,989 --> 00:45:49,100 Speaker 1: for a good goal, 1015 00:45:49,489 --> 00:45:51,180 Speaker 1: you can have a good goal and you can do 1016 00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:54,180 Speaker 1: something that is good or at least neutral, neither bad 1017 00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:56,910 Speaker 1: nor good to achieve that good goal. But you can't 1018 00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:58,620 Speaker 1: do something evil to achieve a good 1019 00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:00,060 Speaker 2: goal that's 1020 00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: roman. 1021 00:46:01,780 --> 00:46:06,219 Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect. Well what about if there's some consequences of 1022 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: evil when you're trying to get to do good. And 1023 00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: and the one thing that brings the mind is like, 1024 00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:13,299 Speaker 1: uh people coming across the border 1025 00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:15,300 Speaker 1: and people are 1026 00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:20,090 Speaker 1: Being raped or trafficked or 1/3 of the women don't 1027 00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:20,910 Speaker 1: make it here. 1028 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,419 Speaker 1: So what's the, you know, and the church is very 1029 00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:28,989 Speaker 1: much involved in doing that. So is that evil to 1030 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: get a good or is that just a consequence of 1031 00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:32,820 Speaker 2: of 1032 00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:33,989 Speaker 1: like a secondary, 1033 00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: secondary thing trying to do a good supposedly? And I'm 1034 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,170 Speaker 1: not sure be make it a little sharper or a 1035 00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:43,100 Speaker 1: little clear for me because I'm not sure what the 1036 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,910 Speaker 1: can can you, 1037 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:48,330 Speaker 1: can you tell me what is the evil act in question? 1038 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,390 Speaker 1: So I know it's it's an idea of bringing people 1039 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:56,580 Speaker 1: over here, uh, you know, crossing, you know, 1000 miles 1040 00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: of 1041 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,290 Speaker 1: Mexico. 1042 00:46:58,780 --> 00:47:01,899 Speaker 1: And but the consequences of that is, 1043 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,570 Speaker 1: you know, a third of the women are trafficked or 1044 00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:08,180 Speaker 1: raped or some bad thing happened. Two of the kids, 1045 00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:11,530 Speaker 1: you know, there's families that are spread up. So, I mean, 1046 00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: that's my question. 1047 00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: And it may not be very fine too. 1048 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,750 Speaker 1: Well, I want to make sure I understand it. So 1049 00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:21,150 Speaker 1: I can offer you an adequate explanation or at least 1050 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,930 Speaker 1: some kind of intelligent answer. So, are you saying does 1051 00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:24,299 Speaker 1: the 1052 00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: does the goal of getting to the United States justify 1053 00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:31,100 Speaker 1: the long trek up here 1054 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,790 Speaker 1: knowing that it's possible that you could get raped 1055 00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:37,529 Speaker 1: or trafficked. 1056 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,299 Speaker 1: Is that the dilemma? 1057 00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:42,710 Speaker 1: That's the dilemma, but not by the person, but the 1058 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: people that are helping the people. 1059 00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:51,540 Speaker 1: So like the church. So let's say local Catholics. Well, um, 1060 00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 1: in a strict sense, of course, there's nothing, it's not 1061 00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: inherently evil. It's not immoral to flee 1062 00:48:00,170 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: from drug violence or poverty or some other problem. There's 1063 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,330 Speaker 1: there's nothing inherently wrong with trying to move from one 1064 00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: place to another. So it's not as though 1065 00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:13,049 Speaker 1: the act of coming into the United States is immoral. 1066 00:48:13,969 --> 00:48:17,110 Speaker 1: The question of the legality that impinges on this issue. 1067 00:48:17,110 --> 00:48:17,620 Speaker 1: And 1068 00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:18,790 Speaker 1: you know, if 1069 00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: if somebody, 1070 00:48:20,770 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, if a bear were chasing me tom 1071 00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:25,800 Speaker 1: and the only way I could get away from this 1072 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,390 Speaker 1: bear was too 1073 00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: go into your home when you're not there. You know, 1074 00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:33,109 Speaker 1: I would be technically an intruder and I would be 1075 00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:35,500 Speaker 1: trespassing as far as the law is concerned. 1076 00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:38,089 Speaker 1: But in a situation like that, I mean, 1077 00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:40,790 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing anything immoral. You know, if I 1078 00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:42,700 Speaker 1: went into your house because I had to get away 1079 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:43,190 Speaker 1: from the bear. 1080 00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: So in the in the immigration and there's that music 1081 00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:48,300 Speaker 1: in the immigration scenario, 1082 00:48:49,469 --> 00:48:50,900 Speaker 1: there's so much we can talk about. 1083 00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:53,859 Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I would say I know there 1084 00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:58,270 Speaker 1: is nothing immoral about the church helping immigrants. If anything, 1085 00:48:58,270 --> 00:49:00,220 Speaker 1: it is the right thing to do. But going about 1086 00:49:00,219 --> 00:49:02,580 Speaker 1: it the right way is not always easy to ascertain 1087 00:49:02,969 --> 00:49:04,790 Speaker 1: thank you. Tom I'll be right back. Our two is 1088 00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:06,290 Speaker 1: about to start right now