1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,940 Speaker 1: now the grass is kind of angry at us. Cold 2 00:00:03,940 --> 00:00:06,650 Speaker 1: beans onward. Let's talk to the trees, 3 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:15,050 Speaker 1: compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day. It's the 4 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. Yes, that's true 5 00:00:20,739 --> 00:00:25,450 Speaker 1: and it's not onward. Ho it's westward ho, come on man. 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,390 Speaker 1: Cool beans. 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,350 Speaker 1: I mean, didn't they stop saying that in the 90s 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: or 80's maybe? 9 00:00:33,140 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: Who says cool beans anymore? Cool people, 10 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:40,370 Speaker 1: cool beans. Cool beans is still a thing. Don't you 11 00:00:40,370 --> 00:00:43,070 Speaker 1: can knock those crazy ladies for lots of things, but 12 00:00:43,070 --> 00:00:45,660 Speaker 1: cool beans is still cool beans with me. 13 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:53,220 Speaker 1: No, that's not true. I need to get that voice. 8889149149. 14 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:55,060 Speaker 1: This is our two of the Patrick Madrid show. 15 00:00:55,540 --> 00:00:59,470 Speaker 1: Let us pause momentarily for just a matter of supreme importance. 16 00:00:59,470 --> 00:01:01,450 Speaker 1: And that of course is the consecration 17 00:01:01,940 --> 00:01:04,130 Speaker 1: that is taking place tomorrow. Pope Francis is going to 18 00:01:04,130 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 1: consecrate all of humanity and Russia and Ukraine to the 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,350 Speaker 1: immaculate heart of mary 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,060 Speaker 1: and that will happen tomorrow. Um, you want to be 21 00:01:13,060 --> 00:01:16,550 Speaker 1: listening to relevant radio, just glue your ear to the speaker, 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:23,050 Speaker 1: But in particular around 11 am central tomorrow 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Is when the consecration is scheduled to start in Rome 24 00:01:26,819 --> 00:01:29,289 Speaker 1: will be about five p.m. in Rome six hours ahead. 25 00:01:29,940 --> 00:01:33,060 Speaker 1: So, um, we're covering that the live coverage will be 26 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:35,850 Speaker 1: on relevant radio. You won't miss anything. Pope Francis did 27 00:01:35,850 --> 00:01:38,580 Speaker 1: encourage everybody. You if you're if you're at all able 28 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:39,260 Speaker 1: to do so 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: he's encouraging you to go to church a church near 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:43,700 Speaker 1: rio chapel 31 00:01:44,340 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: and pray for peace and participate in the consecration by 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,660 Speaker 1: praying the consecration prayer. If you can get to confession great, 33 00:01:51,140 --> 00:01:53,330 Speaker 1: it's not required. I mean this is not like under 34 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:54,890 Speaker 1: pain of sin. This is just 35 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,580 Speaker 1: a strong encouragement and if you are able to even 36 00:01:59,580 --> 00:02:01,500 Speaker 1: just slip in for a few moments and make a 37 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: visit to the blessed sacrament and pray for peace, that 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: would fulfill 39 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,660 Speaker 1: the spirit of that request. So if you are 40 00:02:09,139 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: able to participate, do so tomorrow and again, as I say, 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,290 Speaker 1: it's going to most likely be starting at about 11 42 00:02:16,290 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: AM Central time 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,850 Speaker 1: 8889149149. We have calls, we're gonna get to first. However, 44 00:02:22,850 --> 00:02:24,860 Speaker 1: I've got some audio, I want to play for you 45 00:02:25,340 --> 00:02:27,350 Speaker 1: um nancy Pelosi 46 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:28,910 Speaker 1: speaker of the house. 47 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:32,829 Speaker 1: She wears her catholic faith on her sleeve and an 48 00:02:32,830 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: example of that is an interview that she was doing 49 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:38,870 Speaker 1: just yesterday and it was it yesterday or maybe it 50 00:02:38,870 --> 00:02:39,750 Speaker 1: was the day before 51 00:02:40,340 --> 00:02:45,310 Speaker 1: and yet again, she juxtaposes herself as a practicing catholic 52 00:02:45,310 --> 00:02:47,150 Speaker 1: with the issue of abortion 53 00:02:47,540 --> 00:02:50,559 Speaker 1: and her fierce and implacable 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,660 Speaker 1: protection and promotion of killing innocent unborn Children 55 00:02:56,139 --> 00:02:59,110 Speaker 1: in the womb and here's what she had to say again. 56 00:02:59,110 --> 00:03:03,769 Speaker 1: It isn't about what is your religious belief, it's what 57 00:03:03,770 --> 00:03:07,090 Speaker 1: is the right of people to make their own decisions 58 00:03:07,090 --> 00:03:10,020 Speaker 1: about the sizing and time or if they were going 59 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:11,050 Speaker 1: to have a family. 60 00:03:11,630 --> 00:03:13,250 Speaker 1: This really gets me burned up 61 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,150 Speaker 1: in case you didn't notice because again, I'm very catholic 62 00:03:18,169 --> 00:03:20,450 Speaker 1: devout practicing all of that, 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,980 Speaker 1: they would like to throw me out, but I'm not 64 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:27,049 Speaker 1: going because I don't want to make their day. 65 00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: It really burns. Um well, you know, I I keyed 66 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,460 Speaker 1: in on that cyrus too. I see you did as well. 67 00:03:36,470 --> 00:03:38,550 Speaker 1: It really burns me up. Well, 68 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I I hate to be 69 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: crass, 70 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:44,550 Speaker 1: but 71 00:03:46,340 --> 00:03:47,450 Speaker 1: sooner or later 72 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,900 Speaker 1: nancy Pelosi, this issue is going to burn you up 73 00:03:50,910 --> 00:03:53,150 Speaker 1: if you don't repent and believe the Gospel, 74 00:03:53,940 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you you're my sister in christ nancy. 75 00:03:57,140 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: My favorite person on planet earth by the way, is 76 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,650 Speaker 1: named nancy. Different nancy though. 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,030 Speaker 1: But sooner or later nancy Pelosi, this issue will burn 78 00:04:06,030 --> 00:04:06,460 Speaker 1: you up, 79 00:04:07,340 --> 00:04:10,060 Speaker 1: literally burn you up if you don't repent 80 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:14,850 Speaker 1: and believe the Gospel and the Gospel is though shalt 81 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:15,550 Speaker 1: not kill. 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,150 Speaker 1: And that includes, 83 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: it's especially focused 84 00:04:20,940 --> 00:04:22,460 Speaker 1: on innocent human life 85 00:04:23,740 --> 00:04:26,900 Speaker 1: and life begins at conception, follow the science. 86 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: Life begins at conception. 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,659 Speaker 1: And that is an unborn, innocent human life. 88 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:34,650 Speaker 1: And by your 89 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: um stoking the flames of support for abortion, you are 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,260 Speaker 1: setting yourself up to literally be burned up nancy Pelosi. 91 00:04:46,339 --> 00:04:48,740 Speaker 1: And I don't say that with any glee whatsoever. The 92 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:49,550 Speaker 1: very thought 93 00:04:50,140 --> 00:04:52,909 Speaker 1: of going to hell or or knowing that somebody is 94 00:04:52,910 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: going to go to hell is chilling and terrible and 95 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: it's the last thing on earth I would want for 96 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,350 Speaker 1: nancy Pelosi, 97 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:01,460 Speaker 1: So, 98 00:05:02,339 --> 00:05:04,460 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe, 99 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:07,450 Speaker 1: I don't know, 100 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,650 Speaker 1: would it be interesting if the Pope said 101 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:13,049 Speaker 1: maybe this pope or some future pope, 102 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,289 Speaker 1: we're going to consecrate all of those 103 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,710 Speaker 1: catholic in name only politicians who promote abortion to the 104 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: immaculate heart of mary 105 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:25,060 Speaker 1: all around the world, whoever they are. 106 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: And we're going to consecrate them to the immaculate heart 107 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,620 Speaker 1: of mary and pray that their hearts will be converted. 108 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,750 Speaker 1: I wonder what kind of a 109 00:05:33,740 --> 00:05:36,340 Speaker 1: bombshell result we might get. If that were to happen, 110 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:38,060 Speaker 1: who knows? Maybe we'll never know. 111 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,460 Speaker 1: But so nancy Pelosi 112 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: please before it's too late. I mean you're not a 113 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,650 Speaker 1: young woman anymore. 114 00:05:45,339 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: Eternity is far closer to you now than it was, 115 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: you know when you were elected. 116 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: And I don't want to see you get burned up. 117 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,260 Speaker 1: I really don't. 118 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:56,060 Speaker 1: I really really don't. 119 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,860 Speaker 1: All right now let's go to 120 00:06:00,339 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: let's go to Senator Mike braun republican of indiana. 121 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:07,930 Speaker 1: And he was asked a couple of days ago and 122 00:06:07,930 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: all of this is against the backdrop of the Supreme 123 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,630 Speaker 1: Court nomination hearings that you've been watching. If you've been 124 00:06:13,630 --> 00:06:14,460 Speaker 1: watching any of it. 125 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: And yesterday one of the juicy bits was she was 126 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,730 Speaker 1: asked if she could define a woman. I think we 127 00:06:19,730 --> 00:06:20,180 Speaker 1: played 128 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,550 Speaker 1: um Judge K. Tangie Brown Jackson. She was asked if 129 00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: she could define 130 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: woman, what is a woman? 131 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,050 Speaker 1: And she said, well I'm not a biologist. 132 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:35,930 Speaker 1: We played that The thing that struck me as funny 133 00:06:35,930 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: about that, Is that? Well, no, but you are a 134 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:38,900 Speaker 1: woman 135 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:42,470 Speaker 1: and I mean if you are a woman couldn't you 136 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: like say a few words about what that means? 137 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,010 Speaker 1: So in any case, 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,990 Speaker 1: here is another question actually. This was not a question 139 00:06:50,990 --> 00:06:51,860 Speaker 1: to her. 140 00:06:52,940 --> 00:06:54,539 Speaker 1: You know what? Let's do that first. Let's go to 141 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: the question to her 142 00:06:56,339 --> 00:06:58,330 Speaker 1: and then we'll go to Senator mike braun because it 143 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,140 Speaker 1: was separate. And this is more about him than anything 144 00:07:01,140 --> 00:07:05,380 Speaker 1: else in this one. We have Senator john Kennedy. Not 145 00:07:05,380 --> 00:07:07,050 Speaker 1: that john Kennedy, he's long gone. 146 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: The senator john Kennedy who is there now? 147 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,620 Speaker 1: And he's asking 148 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:16,250 Speaker 1: um Judge uh Tangie Brown Jackson 149 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: a question about equal protection under the law. 150 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:21,250 Speaker 1: And she had a, 151 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,550 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think of her answer when 152 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: we play it. I just blatantly asked, when does life begin? 153 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,710 Speaker 1: And uh well, no, no, let's let's hear it. Let's hear. 154 00:07:29,710 --> 00:07:31,060 Speaker 1: I don't want to prejudice the listeners. 155 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:35,110 Speaker 1: So let's play it. And the male voice that you 156 00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:35,650 Speaker 1: hear 157 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: is senator Kennedy. And then of course Judge 158 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,850 Speaker 1: Judge Jackson. Judge Brown Jackson is the woman's voice that 159 00:07:43,850 --> 00:07:44,860 Speaker 1: you're going to hear. Let's play that 160 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,660 Speaker 1: when does life begin 161 00:07:48,340 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: in your opinion? 162 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:52,850 Speaker 1: Senator? Um 163 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:55,660 Speaker 1: I don't, 164 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:03,460 Speaker 1: No, I don't know I have, I have um 165 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,210 Speaker 1: personal religious and otherwise beliefs that have nothing to do 166 00:08:08,210 --> 00:08:08,660 Speaker 1: with 167 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,210 Speaker 1: the law in terms of when life begins, do you 168 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:15,830 Speaker 1: do you have a personal belief though about when life 169 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,690 Speaker 1: begins have a religious view? Religious belief that I set 170 00:08:19,690 --> 00:08:24,270 Speaker 1: aside when I am ruling on cases. Okay, when when 171 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:25,250 Speaker 1: when does 172 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,450 Speaker 1: when does equal protection of the laws attach 173 00:08:30,940 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: to a human being? 174 00:08:34,740 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: Well, senator. Um 175 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,010 Speaker 1: I believe that the Supreme Court 176 00:08:40,340 --> 00:08:42,650 Speaker 1: actually, I actually don't know the answer to that question. 177 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:43,850 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't 178 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: Okay, 179 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:49,420 Speaker 1: So my reaction to that in this, I don't know 180 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: how you feel. Cyrus haven't talked about this number one. 181 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,660 Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of refreshing 182 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,150 Speaker 1: that she didn't try to just bluster her way through 183 00:08:57,150 --> 00:09:00,740 Speaker 1: this or stonewall or fancy dance or any of the 184 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:03,740 Speaker 1: other stuff that you often see in these situations. She 185 00:09:03,740 --> 00:09:06,150 Speaker 1: she just realized, you know, I don't have an answer, 186 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:08,330 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say I don't have an answer. So 187 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:11,860 Speaker 1: I appreciate the question to the to the second question. Sure. 188 00:09:11,940 --> 00:09:13,870 Speaker 1: To the second question. Well, she did say to the 189 00:09:13,870 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: first one, she said, I don't know. 190 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,900 Speaker 1: She said, I don't know. But of course I believe 191 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: she does know. I think everybody does know life begins 192 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,350 Speaker 1: at conception. But 193 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,430 Speaker 1: as with the quote that we listened to yesterday on 194 00:09:24,429 --> 00:09:27,429 Speaker 1: the program, she can't say it. Because if she says 195 00:09:27,429 --> 00:09:30,430 Speaker 1: that life begins at conception, she knows that she's opened 196 00:09:30,429 --> 00:09:31,860 Speaker 1: herself up now too, 197 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:36,510 Speaker 1: you know, withering crossfire on the issue of abortion. Well, 198 00:09:36,510 --> 00:09:38,210 Speaker 1: if you know that life begins at conception, then how 199 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:41,740 Speaker 1: come you're willing to countenance abortion? I mean, it's it's 200 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:44,950 Speaker 1: a no win situation if she says life begins at conception. 201 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,690 Speaker 1: And I mean she's obviously a very intelligent woman. So 202 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:50,059 Speaker 1: she realizes too, 203 00:09:50,740 --> 00:09:53,770 Speaker 1: in the split second thinking about the question, she realized, 204 00:09:53,770 --> 00:09:56,170 Speaker 1: and by the way, these questions, she has been prepped 205 00:09:56,170 --> 00:09:57,250 Speaker 1: for these, they've done 206 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,450 Speaker 1: ample um, 207 00:10:00,940 --> 00:10:04,510 Speaker 1: rehearsals. You know, we're, we're different people who are friendly 208 00:10:04,510 --> 00:10:07,430 Speaker 1: to her are going to portray, uh, this senator that 209 00:10:07,429 --> 00:10:10,810 Speaker 1: senator and hostile questions or the leading questions. So it's 210 00:10:10,809 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: not as though these are catching her unaware as she's 211 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,550 Speaker 1: been preparing for these very questions. 212 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, you're right. She didn't have an answer 213 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:19,350 Speaker 1: to that. 214 00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:21,860 Speaker 1: I mean, she hasn't answered that. It's kind of like, 215 00:10:21,860 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, how do you define a woman? Well, I'm 216 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: not a biologist. 217 00:10:24,940 --> 00:10:26,460 Speaker 1: True. But you are a woman. 218 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,970 Speaker 1: I could see saturday night live doing a skit cyrus. 219 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:34,420 Speaker 1: If they parody the the hearings where every single question 220 00:10:34,420 --> 00:10:37,100 Speaker 1: that's asked of her of anything, she responds, well, I'm 221 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:38,260 Speaker 1: not a biologist, 222 00:10:38,740 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, 223 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: well, maybe maybe a long time ago, saturday night live 224 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,100 Speaker 1: would have made those kinds of jokes, but it's, it's 225 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:50,770 Speaker 1: so it's so woke right now that they are afraid 226 00:10:50,770 --> 00:10:53,150 Speaker 1: to do, they're afraid or they don't want to do 227 00:10:53,150 --> 00:10:53,860 Speaker 1: jokes like that, 228 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,990 Speaker 1: but maybe you should really listen. Let's listen to this again. 229 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,570 Speaker 1: So this first question. Um, so she's being asked again 230 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:06,390 Speaker 1: the these questions, when does life begin? And when does 231 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: when do equal rights under the law attached to the person? 232 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:10,860 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a brilliant question? 233 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,970 Speaker 1: Equal rights, under the law that gets to the heart 234 00:11:13,980 --> 00:11:16,660 Speaker 1: of segregation. That gets to the heart of 235 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,590 Speaker 1: um you know the fact that there is no difference 236 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,550 Speaker 1: depending upon your skin color. There is no difference 237 00:11:23,940 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: under the law 238 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,470 Speaker 1: and that regardless of your skin color, you have equal 239 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: rights under the law. So that was a really good question. 240 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,550 Speaker 1: When does that start? When does that attach to a 241 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:37,550 Speaker 1: human being? And she said she didn't know and I'll 242 00:11:37,550 --> 00:11:39,350 Speaker 1: take her at her at her word in that case 243 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:40,660 Speaker 1: she didn't know. But 244 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: it was a bit of a cliffhanger. So let's listen 245 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: to it again. 246 00:11:43,540 --> 00:11:44,460 Speaker 1: When a 247 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,099 Speaker 1: when does life begin? 248 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,500 Speaker 1: In your opinion? 249 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: Senator? Um 250 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:54,060 Speaker 1: I don't 251 00:11:55,429 --> 00:11:58,250 Speaker 1: just answer the question. Why don't you just answer the question? 252 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: Be honest. No big deal. You answer it. Answer the question. 253 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:08,569 Speaker 1: Claire talk to us that question. No ma'am. I don't know. 254 00:12:09,429 --> 00:12:10,820 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I have 255 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:14,770 Speaker 1: it must have gone by too quickly the first time 256 00:12:15,090 --> 00:12:17,460 Speaker 1: because now that you slowed it down now. Okay. 257 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,390 Speaker 1: But those pauses are real. I mean that's that's so 258 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: when does when when does what Exactly she said? I 259 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,510 Speaker 1: don't know. It's a very it's a question that we 260 00:12:31,510 --> 00:12:33,630 Speaker 1: all know. We all have an answer whether we agree 261 00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: with each other's answers or not. 262 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,660 Speaker 1: We're all pretty comfortable answering 263 00:12:39,140 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: or maybe not comfortable. We all know the answer 264 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:42,660 Speaker 1: right? 265 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,510 Speaker 1: I know when life begins. I know what a woman is. 266 00:12:47,340 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: I know when equal rights attached to a human person. 267 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:54,490 Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, here here's something I'll just mention 268 00:12:54,490 --> 00:12:56,850 Speaker 1: in passing. It is interesting to me how if you're 269 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:57,660 Speaker 1: pro life, 270 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:01,130 Speaker 1: these are these are not difficult questions. I mean, they're 271 00:13:01,140 --> 00:13:04,850 Speaker 1: easy questions and they're easy to answer without hesitation. If 272 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:07,860 Speaker 1: you're pro abortion, you have to do all these mental gymnastics, 273 00:13:08,340 --> 00:13:10,910 Speaker 1: you have to you have to do all this calculus 274 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,570 Speaker 1: and and in gyrations to be to try to give 275 00:13:16,570 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: an answer that won't undercut all the other things that 276 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,710 Speaker 1: you have to uphold, whether it's gender ideology or what 277 00:13:21,710 --> 00:13:23,250 Speaker 1: have you in this case. 278 00:13:24,140 --> 00:13:26,339 Speaker 1: It seems to me that the question about when do 279 00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:28,510 Speaker 1: equal rights under the law attached to the person. I mean, 280 00:13:28,510 --> 00:13:29,900 Speaker 1: that gets to the issue of race, 281 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,750 Speaker 1: which is hugely important. The whole idea of racial discrimination. 282 00:13:34,940 --> 00:13:36,260 Speaker 1: So to to 283 00:13:37,940 --> 00:13:39,950 Speaker 1: now I'm doing what she does 284 00:13:41,540 --> 00:13:42,860 Speaker 1: here we are 285 00:13:43,340 --> 00:13:44,450 Speaker 1: interviewing 286 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,940 Speaker 1: this this woman, this judge for the top law position 287 00:13:48,940 --> 00:13:51,860 Speaker 1: in the country, the top judicial position in the country. 288 00:13:52,540 --> 00:13:54,250 Speaker 1: And I find it striking 289 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,710 Speaker 1: that she admits 290 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: or at least won't 291 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,490 Speaker 1: say what she thinks a woman is 292 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,860 Speaker 1: or when does life begin? 293 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:07,100 Speaker 1: Or when do equal rights attach? And the reason I 294 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:08,689 Speaker 1: find it striking, and 295 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,860 Speaker 1: I find it striking, I'll leave it at that 296 00:14:13,340 --> 00:14:15,900 Speaker 1: because these are all the kinds of things that the 297 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:17,260 Speaker 1: Supreme Court has to deal with. 298 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing they will have to adjudicate on. 299 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: So do do you really want? And I'm not saying 300 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,260 Speaker 1: just about her per se. 301 00:14:24,740 --> 00:14:27,590 Speaker 1: Um she's a radical leftist. There's I mean there's there's 302 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:31,260 Speaker 1: no hiding that she's radically pro abortion. She's radically into 303 00:14:31,260 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: many of the things that the left loves. 304 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:36,730 Speaker 1: And that's why she's being coy about some of these things. 305 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,260 Speaker 1: But 306 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:42,770 Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that these judges, these justices 307 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:45,260 Speaker 1: are going to be called upon to adjudicate. 308 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,430 Speaker 1: So I would argue it's disingenuous 309 00:14:49,940 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: On the one hand 310 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: to say, I don't know how to define a woman 311 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,550 Speaker 1: because I'm not a biologist. 312 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,410 Speaker 1: No, but you are a woman. 313 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,570 Speaker 1: Um But on the other hand, I I must admit 314 00:15:01,570 --> 00:15:05,390 Speaker 1: that I am at least grateful that she in some 315 00:15:05,390 --> 00:15:07,650 Speaker 1: of those places just said, I don't know like 316 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:10,650 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not going to try to wing it. 317 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,260 Speaker 1: I think deep down she does know. 318 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,590 Speaker 1: But there again, she can't really say it for the 319 00:15:16,590 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: reasons that I just mentioned. 320 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,990 Speaker 1: So now we have a third audio. Why don't we 321 00:15:20,990 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: play that? This is different. So here we have 322 00:15:24,540 --> 00:15:26,690 Speaker 1: let me get back to that one. This is 323 00:15:27,540 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: senator. Mike braun is a republican. He's from indiana 324 00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: and he really stepped in it. But it's hard to know. 325 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: And he claims later because he did a clarification. He 326 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,170 Speaker 1: claims that his his statement was that he misunderstood the question. 327 00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:43,180 Speaker 1: And he thought the question was asking about one thing. 328 00:15:43,190 --> 00:15:45,350 Speaker 1: In fact it was asking about something else. 329 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: Now that may or may not be true. I don't 330 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: know how plausible you think his explanation is. But let's 331 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,650 Speaker 1: listen to this. He's being asked by a reporter, 332 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: you would be okay with the Supreme Court leaving the 333 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,050 Speaker 1: issue of interracial marriage to the States. That's the question 334 00:15:58,050 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: that he was asking. Let's listen. 335 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:02,950 Speaker 2: So you would be okay with the Supreme Court leaving 336 00:16:02,990 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: the question of interracial marriage to the States. 337 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,930 Speaker 2: Yes. I think that that's something that if you're not 338 00:16:08,930 --> 00:16:13,870 Speaker 2: wanting the Supreme Court to weigh in on issues like that, 339 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,660 Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to have your cake and 340 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:17,260 Speaker 2: eat it too. I think that's hypocritical 341 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: about Griswold versus Connecticut, you can list a whole host 342 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: of issues when it comes down to whatever they are. 343 00:16:25,210 --> 00:16:28,140 Speaker 2: I'm going to say that they're not gonna all make 344 00:16:28,140 --> 00:16:32,070 Speaker 2: you happy within a given state, but that we're better 345 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: off having States manifest their points of view rather than 346 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,060 Speaker 2: homogenizing it 347 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,460 Speaker 2: across the country 348 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: as roe versus wade did. 349 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: Okay, 350 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: what's at stake here? And what has people jumping up 351 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: and down is as you notice, the reporter says, what 352 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,770 Speaker 1: about the issue of interracial marriage? 353 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,390 Speaker 1: Now, as I understand senator bronze clarification, once he realized 354 00:16:59,510 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: the firestorm that he set off by this, 355 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:06,429 Speaker 1: he said, I I thought it was referring to same 356 00:17:06,430 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: sex marriage 357 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: and okay maybe. 358 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: Um 359 00:17:13,140 --> 00:17:17,449 Speaker 1: but this is indicative of, or at least it could 360 00:17:17,450 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: be indicative 361 00:17:18,940 --> 00:17:20,669 Speaker 1: of that kind of subtle 362 00:17:21,140 --> 00:17:22,660 Speaker 1: unwillingness 363 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: and I don't know anything about him. I don't I 364 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,940 Speaker 1: don't know, I certainly don't know him. I don't know 365 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:29,050 Speaker 1: anything about him other than 366 00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:31,859 Speaker 1: the bits that I've seen on the news recently. 367 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,990 Speaker 1: But obviously everyone has a right to get married and 368 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the skin color is or the 369 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: racial background is of the person that you want to marry. 370 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: Race shouldn't matter at all. And 371 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:48,940 Speaker 1: can you imagine Cyrus living in a country in which 372 00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:52,020 Speaker 1: it was illegal in one state to have an interracial 373 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:54,270 Speaker 1: marriage and legal in another state? I mean it's already 374 00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: bad enough with abortion, 375 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,169 Speaker 1: but if the states were to say 376 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:03,060 Speaker 1: in this state, black people and white people can't get married, 377 00:18:03,740 --> 00:18:05,859 Speaker 1: just can't illegal. It's ridiculous. 378 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. 379 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,100 Speaker 1: And of course the Supreme Court has 380 00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:13,670 Speaker 1: made that kind of thing. 381 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,869 Speaker 1: Not impossible as far as the law is concerned. Now 382 00:18:16,869 --> 00:18:19,390 Speaker 1: there is a parallel in other areas. So like what 383 00:18:19,390 --> 00:18:23,070 Speaker 1: about abortion for example? Well, there's nothing wrong with one 384 00:18:23,070 --> 00:18:25,820 Speaker 1: person of one race marrying another person of another race. 385 00:18:25,820 --> 00:18:27,859 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong. It's it's morally neutral. 386 00:18:28,940 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: In fact, one could argue it actually is beneficial overall 387 00:18:32,770 --> 00:18:33,460 Speaker 1: because 388 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,130 Speaker 1: it could be strengthening the gene pool and you know, 389 00:18:37,140 --> 00:18:39,620 Speaker 1: getting we can be more assimilated. There are a lot of, 390 00:18:39,619 --> 00:18:42,670 Speaker 1: maybe some some pros that people could promote on that, 391 00:18:42,670 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: but the main thing is if if you love that person, 392 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,460 Speaker 1: you should be able to marry 393 00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:48,670 Speaker 1: that person. But that then gets into the question of well, 394 00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:50,270 Speaker 1: what about same sex marriage? 395 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: You know if interracial marriage 396 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,170 Speaker 1: is certainly fine and there's no problem with it. What 397 00:18:57,170 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: about same sex marriage? 398 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:02,609 Speaker 1: It's interesting how these things like our like dominoes 399 00:19:03,140 --> 00:19:06,310 Speaker 1: and how even though they're not the same thing, sometimes 400 00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:10,619 Speaker 1: these parallels can can create problems. So people are saying 401 00:19:10,619 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: that he is sort of like a closet racist because 402 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,770 Speaker 1: he doesn't think that 403 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: um interracial marriage is something that should be the law 404 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: of the land, but it should be decided in one 405 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,270 Speaker 1: state or the other however they wish. 406 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: And I would like to think that his clarification is 407 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:29,330 Speaker 1: is correct and that he just misspoke or misheard the 408 00:19:29,330 --> 00:19:30,670 Speaker 1: question that happens. 409 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:34,590 Speaker 1: Um I hope so, because if he if he really 410 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:36,710 Speaker 1: did mean that that would to my mind at least 411 00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:37,050 Speaker 1: be 412 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,490 Speaker 1: it would be racist. And as you've heard me say 413 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:44,250 Speaker 1: a million times, racism is wrong, no matter who's perpetrating 414 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: it 415 00:19:45,540 --> 00:19:47,859 Speaker 1: now, if that is racism, that's what I would say. 416 00:19:47,869 --> 00:19:49,810 Speaker 1: If it's not. If it was just a simple mistake, 417 00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:50,460 Speaker 1: fair enough. 418 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,050 Speaker 1: Let's see. I think we should take a break and 419 00:19:54,050 --> 00:19:56,580 Speaker 1: then we'll dive right back into the phone calls keep 420 00:19:56,580 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: in mind that everything we talk about. 421 00:19:59,540 --> 00:20:01,550 Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're doing. Cyrus, I get it, 422 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,790 Speaker 1: I get it three dimensional chess here on the Patrick 423 00:20:04,790 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: Madrid show. 424 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:08,460 Speaker 1: If you listen closely, you'll pick up on all sorts 425 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:10,460 Speaker 1: of little easter eggs on this program 426 00:20:11,030 --> 00:20:12,790 Speaker 1: like this one right now, I'll be right back with 427 00:20:12,790 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: more of the Patrick Madrid show right after this 428 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,460 Speaker 1: catholic order of Foresters is proud to sponsor the relevant 429 00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:34,420 Speaker 1: radio studio line for information about employment opportunities and flexible 430 00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:39,050 Speaker 1: premium life insurance plans, visit relevant radio dot com slash Forrester. 431 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:55,170 Speaker 1: Get connected to the conversation call now. 8889149149. That's 8889149149. 432 00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:58,770 Speaker 1: Patrick Madrid is on now relevant radio. 433 00:21:00,340 --> 00:21:05,210 Speaker 1: Alright, we are back. Thanks for listening. 88 9149149 is 434 00:21:05,210 --> 00:21:07,810 Speaker 1: the number to call. Let's get over to Rosalie now 435 00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:08,790 Speaker 1: in ST louis. 436 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: Hi Rosalie. 437 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:14,990 Speaker 1: Hi. Uh first of all, I just discovered relevant radio 438 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,990 Speaker 1: recently and I listened to it in the car all 439 00:21:16,990 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: the time and I really like it. I especially like 440 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,310 Speaker 1: your show and what I'm calling about. It's just an observation. 441 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I heard this morning on relevant radio that the pope 442 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,020 Speaker 1: has issued a letter requesting that all the parishes in 443 00:21:30,020 --> 00:21:30,770 Speaker 1: the world 444 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,270 Speaker 1: assemble the people in their churches to uh 445 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:38,540 Speaker 1: pray this consecration together tomorrow. And it just seems to 446 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:40,740 Speaker 1: me that we've known this well over a week that 447 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: this was gonna happen because people have to make changes 448 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,140 Speaker 1: in their schedule and all that in order to, you know, 449 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:50,170 Speaker 1: comply with this request and he doesn't ask this of 450 00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:53,070 Speaker 1: of us very much and I know I've been praying 451 00:21:53,070 --> 00:21:57,170 Speaker 1: for the Ukraine ever since this happened and even shortly before, 452 00:21:57,340 --> 00:21:59,619 Speaker 1: but it just I just feel a little let down 453 00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:01,930 Speaker 1: that it was like an afterthought, oh well let's see 454 00:22:01,930 --> 00:22:04,220 Speaker 1: if we can get the people in the churches to 455 00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: say it together. So that's my observation. 456 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:12,050 Speaker 1: Okay, well fair enough. Um I don't share that view 457 00:22:12,050 --> 00:22:13,060 Speaker 1: only because 458 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,649 Speaker 1: sometimes an afterthought, even though it is an afterthought, it's 459 00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:19,780 Speaker 1: still a good thought. I mean isn't it a good 460 00:22:19,780 --> 00:22:21,670 Speaker 1: thing though that people would go to church? 461 00:22:22,340 --> 00:22:23,270 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. 462 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: Um 463 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,970 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just for what it's worth Rosalie and 464 00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: I realized all of us, 465 00:22:29,540 --> 00:22:32,860 Speaker 1: we're struck differently by different things and that happens. So 466 00:22:32,869 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: um my my thought is, you know, rather than the 467 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: glass half empty, if the glass is half full, it's 468 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,889 Speaker 1: a good thing, it seems to me that people are 469 00:22:40,890 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: going to go to church and pray for peace couldn't hurt. Right? 470 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean if anything it's gonna help. 471 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,550 Speaker 1: So even if it weren't after 472 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,570 Speaker 1: yeah, if they can get there and and that's the 473 00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:54,700 Speaker 1: nature of the request as I read it, is that 474 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,170 Speaker 1: he's saying if you can 475 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: go to church and pray 476 00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:01,660 Speaker 1: And especially if you can do it between, you know, 477 00:23:01,660 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: here in the USA between 11 and 11 and one central, 478 00:23:05,290 --> 00:23:07,169 Speaker 1: but it's not it's not an order. It's not a 479 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:09,890 Speaker 1: requirement you're not going to sin if you don't do it. 480 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:11,510 Speaker 1: But it's an encouragement. 481 00:23:13,540 --> 00:23:16,890 Speaker 1: Yeah. As I said, it it just seems that um 482 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:19,780 Speaker 1: it would have been helpful because how is this message 483 00:23:19,790 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: being disseminated? I mean, I heard it through relevant radio. 484 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,970 Speaker 1: Is this going to be on on the world news? 485 00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:28,350 Speaker 1: I guess. I doubt it. How is it getting around that? 486 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:33,910 Speaker 1: This is his request. Yeah. So the first phase of it, 487 00:23:33,910 --> 00:23:37,260 Speaker 1: as I understand it, Rosalie was that the pope had 488 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:39,630 Speaker 1: sent to all the bishops. I mean, he had his 489 00:23:39,630 --> 00:23:42,150 Speaker 1: people do it sent all the bishops of the world 490 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: a letter 491 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,020 Speaker 1: saying that he was going to make this consecration on 492 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: this day at this time 493 00:23:47,740 --> 00:23:51,660 Speaker 1: and ask them to unite with him wherever they are 494 00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:54,660 Speaker 1: in the world and pray the same consecration. And this 495 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:57,270 Speaker 1: of course, is in keeping with our lady asked 496 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,669 Speaker 1: when she talked about this to sister Lucia in Fatima. 497 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: So he first, as I understand it told all the 498 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,050 Speaker 1: bishops and then of course the news services picked that up. 499 00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:12,550 Speaker 1: So that became known at least in the catholic world. 500 00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:15,810 Speaker 1: And that was followed up a few days later with 501 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:18,850 Speaker 1: the text of the prayer which I'm sure was composed 502 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: in, you know, in that ensuing few days. And then 503 00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: the text was disseminated. I read that the text of 504 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,460 Speaker 1: the prayer on the program yesterday or the day before. 505 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,629 Speaker 1: So, um it made its way out there and then 506 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:33,940 Speaker 1: of course here on relevant radio, we're trying to rally 507 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:37,590 Speaker 1: everybody to at the very least to pray the prayer 508 00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:40,390 Speaker 1: of consecration and you can do that by tuning in 509 00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: here at relevant radio. 510 00:24:42,140 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: Um it's probably going to be starting at about 11 511 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,290 Speaker 1: am central, so about 11 am your time tomorrow is 512 00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:50,510 Speaker 1: when you can expect what and what we'll do is 513 00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:53,250 Speaker 1: we will be playing the feed from Rome. So you'll 514 00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:55,270 Speaker 1: actually hear what is happening in Rome. 515 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: So we're gonna carry that all over the world, you know, 516 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: with our global reach for relevant radio. 517 00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:02,909 Speaker 1: Pretty cool. 518 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: Yes, for sure. Thank you so much, Patrick, 519 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: you're welcome Rosalie, nice to talk to you and give 520 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,380 Speaker 1: our regards to ST louis. We have lots of listeners 521 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:12,660 Speaker 1: there 522 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: and yes, Father Rocky and Drew will be on the 523 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,580 Speaker 1: air offering commentary during they won't be interrupting anything or 524 00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:22,929 Speaker 1: talking over anything, but when it's appropriate they will offer 525 00:25:22,930 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: some commentary about this momentous and I would argue prophetic 526 00:25:26,850 --> 00:25:28,730 Speaker 1: event in the life of the church. How often does 527 00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: this happen? Never 528 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,169 Speaker 1: let's go to 529 00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:37,090 Speaker 1: let's see oreo in Sacramento. Good morning oreo. 530 00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:41,450 Speaker 1: Good morning Patrick. Thank you for taking my call. I 531 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:45,270 Speaker 1: am a loan officer in the mortgage industry and I 532 00:25:45,270 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: have some clients who 533 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,460 Speaker 1: are catholic 534 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:51,220 Speaker 1: and are going to be selling their house. 535 00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: However, there are being advised by their real estate agent 536 00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: to remove religious statues and 537 00:25:58,540 --> 00:25:59,350 Speaker 1: images. 538 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,949 Speaker 1: So I guess depersonalizing their, their home 539 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,850 Speaker 1: to broaden? Uh just the views for getting more potential buyers. 540 00:26:09,340 --> 00:26:11,950 Speaker 1: Um is this just, what are your thoughts on this? 541 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,450 Speaker 1: Because she's a devout 542 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:17,460 Speaker 1: catholic and it's not sitting well with her. So 543 00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:24,250 Speaker 1: yes. Well on the one hand in romans 1 16 544 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:27,030 Speaker 1: ST paul says for I am not ashamed of the Gospel, 545 00:26:27,030 --> 00:26:29,590 Speaker 1: it is the power of God for salvation to everyone 546 00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:31,489 Speaker 1: who has faith, to the jew first and then to 547 00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:31,949 Speaker 1: the greek. 548 00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:34,690 Speaker 1: So on the one hand, 549 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,190 Speaker 1: we should be unashamed of the Gospel, which means that 550 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't take down a crucifix 551 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:45,270 Speaker 1: just because it might offend somebody. I was remember being 552 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: irked when I believe it was Georgetown, if I'm not mistaken, 553 00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:55,270 Speaker 1: Georgetown had some conference that involved Muslims attending for for 554 00:26:55,270 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: whatever conference. 555 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:59,929 Speaker 1: And so they had all of the crucifixes throughout the 556 00:26:59,930 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: school or at least in the area where this would 557 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,260 Speaker 1: be held. 558 00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:04,980 Speaker 1: I forget now whether they had them removed or they 559 00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:05,860 Speaker 1: had them covered up 560 00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: because they didn't want to offend these non catholic people. 561 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:12,690 Speaker 1: And I was really irked by that because talk about 562 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: being ashamed of the Gospel. I mean there's the Gospel 563 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,670 Speaker 1: in 564 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,060 Speaker 1: in art form 565 00:27:18,540 --> 00:27:22,470 Speaker 1: and if you're so ashamed or so worried about somebody 566 00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:25,140 Speaker 1: being offended that you cover up the crucifix or you 567 00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:27,770 Speaker 1: remove it? I mean that's terrible if you ask me 568 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: now what you're describing is not that, 569 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,270 Speaker 1: but I can see why she would be 570 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,450 Speaker 1: unhappy and I would feel the same way like 571 00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:39,820 Speaker 1: this is my belief now, I recognize that not everybody 572 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: believes what I do, 573 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,980 Speaker 1: but if you don't want to buy, if you don't 574 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:45,810 Speaker 1: want to buy my house, just because I believe in, 575 00:27:45,810 --> 00:27:47,469 Speaker 1: jesus will then go buy another house 576 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:49,670 Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, 577 00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I don't want you to buy my 578 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: house if you're if you disdain jesus christ and I 579 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: would probably rather that you not be living in my house. 580 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,060 Speaker 1: Um 581 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,010 Speaker 1: I think I would probably fall on that side of 582 00:28:03,010 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: the fence. 583 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,850 Speaker 1: Now there are those who would say, yeah, but 584 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: this is not a religious issue, you're not doing this 585 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,710 Speaker 1: for a religious purpose, this is strictly business. And you know, 586 00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:17,660 Speaker 1: it's just, it's true that there are people, if they 587 00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:18,859 Speaker 1: see religious imagery, 588 00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:21,900 Speaker 1: they might back away. For me personally, I would say, 589 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,470 Speaker 1: fine back away, I don't care, we'll find another buyer, 590 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:26,730 Speaker 1: especially in this market. I mean, come on, it's so 591 00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:28,060 Speaker 1: easy to sell a house right now 592 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,460 Speaker 1: um 593 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,850 Speaker 1: you know, probably which is great for you because it's 594 00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:32,660 Speaker 1: great for business. 595 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,060 Speaker 1: But you know, another dimension of this too would be 596 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: if I were a potential house buyer 597 00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: and I saw in the pictures in the mls listing, 598 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,150 Speaker 1: I saw a crucifix on the wall, I'd be more 599 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:46,260 Speaker 1: interested in that house, 600 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,260 Speaker 1: you know, because I'd say here's a place where jesus 601 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:50,270 Speaker 1: christ is honored. 602 00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:52,630 Speaker 1: I want to look at that house, I want to 603 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:56,270 Speaker 1: see that house, so it may actually be good for 604 00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:57,670 Speaker 1: her in that sense. 605 00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:59,060 Speaker 1: But 606 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:01,950 Speaker 1: I just keep coming back to romans 607 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,460 Speaker 1: where he says I'm not ashamed of the gospel, 608 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't want to 609 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,060 Speaker 1: I mean what do you say to jesus in your 610 00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: heart as you're taking the crucifix down off the wall 611 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: because you don't want someone to see it, How do 612 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: you how do you how do you explain that to jesus? 613 00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:19,510 Speaker 1: I'm sorry jesus, 614 00:29:22,140 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: could you just just a I guess provoke debate, let's 615 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,550 Speaker 1: say realtors response is something along the lines of 616 00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:32,860 Speaker 1: uh you're not going to get the highest best 617 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,050 Speaker 1: offer 618 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: unless 619 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,670 Speaker 1: those 620 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: images or statues are removed and maybe, let's say the 621 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,550 Speaker 1: owner can 622 00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: not so much removed them, but I guess they're already 623 00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: packing quote unquote, They could be packing so they're kind 624 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,860 Speaker 1: of removing them. 625 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 626 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Can you, what do you mean by pack or can 627 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,420 Speaker 1: you re explain that? You mean like packing them up 628 00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:54,350 Speaker 1: with your other stuff? 629 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: Exactly. Yes. 630 00:29:59,140 --> 00:30:02,050 Speaker 1: Okay, well I mean that to me 631 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: that to me seems like you know it's it's it's 632 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: a rationale for it. 633 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: Um 634 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,270 Speaker 1: And it's not an unreasonable rationale but really to my 635 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: mind this is more a matter of like Jesus said 636 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: in Matthew 10, 637 00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:19,580 Speaker 1: he says whoever acknowledges me 638 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,670 Speaker 1: before men, I will acknowledge before my father in heaven, 639 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,310 Speaker 1: but whoever denies me before men, I will deny before 640 00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:29,990 Speaker 1: my father who is in heaven. So I'm not invoking 641 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:32,900 Speaker 1: this passage to say that if you take the crucifix 642 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,650 Speaker 1: down off the wall to take a real estate picture 643 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:37,970 Speaker 1: that jesus is going to deny you before the father. 644 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:40,780 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but I think this kind of 645 00:30:40,780 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: heads in that direction, doesn't it? 646 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,410 Speaker 1: I mean if we're that shallow that we're, you know, 647 00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:50,390 Speaker 1: we're that worried that somebody might not spend the extra 648 00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:52,260 Speaker 1: $5,000 or something 649 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,460 Speaker 1: because an image of jesus is on the wall. Um, 650 00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:59,670 Speaker 1: I wouldn't take it down if it were me. 651 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,330 Speaker 1: I might heck I might stick to crucifixes on the 652 00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: wall just for just for good measure. 653 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: Put an image of our lady in there, 654 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,220 Speaker 1: what should it profit a man if he shall gain 655 00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:16,140 Speaker 1: the whole world and lose his soul. Totally agree. Absolutely. 656 00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:19,380 Speaker 1: And the audio, you paid played for nancy Pelosi where 657 00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: she said that she's a devout catholic and 658 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,770 Speaker 1: she's religious and then the, the other audio for the, 659 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,170 Speaker 1: for the judge. Um, it's always interesting when they say 660 00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:32,060 Speaker 1: they bring up their religious beliefs, but that it, 661 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,730 Speaker 1: it won't get in the way of their decisions. But 662 00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:36,270 Speaker 1: I mean that's 663 00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:37,060 Speaker 1: if 664 00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:40,300 Speaker 1: the religion is just managed response to God, this is 665 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:43,490 Speaker 1: that's our character as our foundation is almost built with 666 00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:46,460 Speaker 1: our religion. So it's always interesting when they say that, 667 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,670 Speaker 1: but I I appreciate, appreciate your 668 00:31:49,390 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: the response. 669 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,610 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I appreciate your consideration of my response. 670 00:31:54,610 --> 00:31:57,410 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Yeah, so the verses in question 671 00:31:57,410 --> 00:32:00,620 Speaker 1: I mentioned a moment ago. So the the one that 672 00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:05,340 Speaker 1: I just quoted as in Matthew chapter 10 verse 32 33. 673 00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will 674 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,060 Speaker 1: acknowledge before my father who is in heaven, 675 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:12,350 Speaker 1: but whoever denies me before men, 676 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,900 Speaker 1: I also will deny before my father who is in 677 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:15,260 Speaker 1: heaven 678 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,580 Speaker 1: and that right there, by the way, don't forget, that 679 00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: gets to the question of 680 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,469 Speaker 1: apostasy. It's not a topic we talked about much on 681 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:27,270 Speaker 1: this program, 682 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: not for any particular reason, it just doesn't seem to 683 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,860 Speaker 1: come up. But let's just talk about it for a 684 00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: minute here, 685 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: we have to take a break in a second. But 686 00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: remember that if you leave 687 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: the catholic church and become let's say muslim or jewish 688 00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:45,910 Speaker 1: or for that matter, you may just become atheist and 689 00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:47,170 Speaker 1: deny the existence of God 690 00:32:47,540 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: that is a terrible sin of apostasy. 691 00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:53,290 Speaker 1: And in the case of let's say, embracing Judaism or 692 00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:54,860 Speaker 1: islam to use two examples, 693 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,170 Speaker 1: it involves an explicit denial of jesus christ, 694 00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: an explicit denial, a rejection of repudiation 695 00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: of jesus as lord and messiah as jesus as God, 696 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: the son of God. 697 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:09,850 Speaker 1: So 698 00:33:10,340 --> 00:33:13,130 Speaker 1: if ever you're tempted in that direction, by the way, 699 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:15,700 Speaker 1: call me first, because I'll help you get your mind 700 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: right before you make that bad decision, 701 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:19,050 Speaker 1: but just be aware 702 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,420 Speaker 1: That this is what Jesus is talking about here in 703 00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:22,270 Speaker 1: Matthew 10. 704 00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:25,990 Speaker 1: If you acknowledge him before men, he will acknowledge you 705 00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:28,830 Speaker 1: before the father who is in heaven. But whoever denies 706 00:33:28,830 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: me before men, he says I will deny before my 707 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,860 Speaker 1: father who is in heaven. 708 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: So an explicit rejection of jesus, 709 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:40,459 Speaker 1: that's a one way ticket to the hot place. 710 00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:43,650 Speaker 1: H E double hockey sticks. That's a one way ticket. 711 00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:46,370 Speaker 1: Now you can repent before you die. But some people 712 00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:48,130 Speaker 1: you know, they don't have that opportunity and it's a 713 00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:50,050 Speaker 1: foolish gamble to assume that you will. 714 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:52,050 Speaker 1: So, 715 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,930 Speaker 1: you know, these are high stakes 716 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,770 Speaker 1: and jesus is really specific about it. So 717 00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:00,460 Speaker 1: let's take a break and we'll come back with more 718 00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:02,860 Speaker 1: of your phone calls. Let me look at the line. 719 00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, we got one line open. That's it. So 720 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,810 Speaker 1: if you want to grab it call now. 8889149149. I 721 00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: will be right back. 722 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,210 Speaker 1: Hi, 723 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:21,509 Speaker 1: mm hmm, 724 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,060 Speaker 1: mm hmm. 725 00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: Notre dame. Federal Credit union is a member of the 726 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,509 Speaker 1: catholic credit unions of America. You can find more information 727 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: and your local catholic credit union at relevant radio dot 728 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:42,609 Speaker 1: com slash banking. This is Patrick Madrid show on relevant 729 00:34:42,610 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: radio and relevant radio dot com. Get connected to the 730 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,100 Speaker 1: conversation 731 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:57,170 Speaker 1: call now. 8889149149. That's 8889149149. Patrick Madrid is on now. 732 00:34:59,540 --> 00:34:59,739 Speaker 1: Yeah. 733 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:00,350 Speaker 1: Okay, 734 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,050 Speaker 1: let's go to mike now in Katy texas mike. Thank 735 00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:09,450 Speaker 1: you for calling. Welcome. Hi. Yes, thank you Patrick. First 736 00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:12,110 Speaker 1: of all, I really enjoy your show and as a 737 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:14,060 Speaker 1: revert back to the catholic faith, 738 00:35:14,739 --> 00:35:17,260 Speaker 1: uh you've been very instrumental in 739 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,460 Speaker 1: my learning about the faith the last week. 740 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,970 Speaker 1: Thanks be to God. Thank you. 741 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you 742 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,580 Speaker 1: and two and thanks be to God. Uh last week, 743 00:35:28,590 --> 00:35:31,060 Speaker 1: the conversation a lot centered around 744 00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:35,850 Speaker 1: uh the use of nuclear weapons and meet in uh 745 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:40,049 Speaker 1: World War Two. And while I understand 746 00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:43,259 Speaker 1: uh your biblical references, 747 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,260 Speaker 1: ah 748 00:35:44,739 --> 00:35:47,050 Speaker 1: I never thought the conversation 749 00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:48,170 Speaker 1: fully 750 00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:49,170 Speaker 1: was 751 00:35:49,739 --> 00:35:52,260 Speaker 1: fought through and by that, I mean 752 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,550 Speaker 1: if you were in the White House 753 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,190 Speaker 1: and you were faced with that decision to send in 754 00:35:58,940 --> 00:35:59,630 Speaker 1: troops 755 00:36:01,030 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: into the country that had attacked the United States, 756 00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:06,660 Speaker 1: what would you have done? 757 00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:09,950 Speaker 1: Because while I understand 758 00:36:10,330 --> 00:36:12,550 Speaker 1: the direction the Lord is giving us 759 00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:14,060 Speaker 1: through his word 760 00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:15,739 Speaker 1: and agree with you, 761 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:19,620 Speaker 1: what what what what does one do, what does one 762 00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:21,660 Speaker 1: nation do in that situation? 763 00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: And the only way to get there is to put 764 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: yourself into that presidency 765 00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:28,380 Speaker 1: to make that decision. 766 00:36:29,530 --> 00:36:32,779 Speaker 1: Well, I mean for what it's worth mike, I have 767 00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: thought deeply about this issue for years. It's not as 768 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,810 Speaker 1: though I just came to the topic unprepared or without 769 00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:40,150 Speaker 1: ever giving it any thought 770 00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 1: and I have tried to imagine if I were, 771 00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: you know, FDR dies suddenly of a stroke and you know, 772 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm Harry Truman. 773 00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:52,810 Speaker 1: um what do I do? So like now I become 774 00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:55,580 Speaker 1: aware of the Manhattan project. You know that Harry Truman 775 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: wasn't aware of it. He didn't know 776 00:36:57,830 --> 00:37:01,050 Speaker 1: that we had the atomic bomb. He didn't, The Manhattan 777 00:37:01,050 --> 00:37:04,930 Speaker 1: project was so closely guarded as a secret that even 778 00:37:04,930 --> 00:37:06,850 Speaker 1: the vice president himself didn't really know 779 00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: what he came to know when he became president. So 780 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,870 Speaker 1: he was faced with a very terrible decision. And and 781 00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: I don't um 782 00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:17,969 Speaker 1: I mean I don't second guess the fact that he 783 00:37:17,969 --> 00:37:21,830 Speaker 1: probably also agonized over this issue. But then again too, 784 00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:25,460 Speaker 1: we didn't know because we hadn't ever done this before. 785 00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:29,189 Speaker 1: We only knew theoretically the damage that it would cause. 786 00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:30,549 Speaker 1: And 787 00:37:31,330 --> 00:37:35,580 Speaker 1: only afterward was it really apparent just how devastating these 788 00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:38,100 Speaker 1: atomic bombs were. But what would I have done? I 789 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,250 Speaker 1: have thought about that before. 790 00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have dropped the atomic bomb on a civilian 791 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,660 Speaker 1: population center like Hiroshima 792 00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:46,049 Speaker 1: or Nagasaki. 793 00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:48,750 Speaker 1: I would have, for example, 794 00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:51,730 Speaker 1: considered and I said this in the, you know, in 795 00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: the 796 00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:55,980 Speaker 1: last week, I guess when we were talking about it, 797 00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:58,970 Speaker 1: 11 idea that had come to my mind is I 798 00:37:58,969 --> 00:38:00,580 Speaker 1: would have dropped it in the middle of Tokyo Bay. 799 00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:01,540 Speaker 1: I would have said to 800 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,460 Speaker 1: the emperor and the imperial government and all the generals, 801 00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: hey check it out, guys, you know, on such and 802 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: such a day at such and such a time we want, 803 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,150 Speaker 1: you to be looking 804 00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:14,170 Speaker 1: toward Tokyo harbor because we've got a surprise for you 805 00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:15,770 Speaker 1: and then drop it right in the middle 806 00:38:16,219 --> 00:38:19,299 Speaker 1: Of Tokyo Bay. And I've actually studied the map. It's 807 00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: about a dozen miles across, maybe 15 miles across at 808 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,650 Speaker 1: the narrowest point. 809 00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:27,340 Speaker 1: So if they were to have dropped this bomb in 810 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: the center, 811 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,580 Speaker 1: it would not have destroyed any buildings or killed any people. 812 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:34,140 Speaker 1: And they would have seen 813 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: the horrendous power of this bomb. And you know that, 814 00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: and then just say, you know, if you don't want 815 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,340 Speaker 1: these 816 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,910 Speaker 1: destroying and obliterating your navy and your army, because that's next, 817 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,540 Speaker 1: we will do that next. That could have gotten their attention. 818 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,780 Speaker 1: You could have done tremendous psychological damage to the Japanese government, 819 00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:56,149 Speaker 1: the Japanese people. If 820 00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: if it had been dropped, let's say detonated on top 821 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,930 Speaker 1: of Mount fuji. You know, fly a bomber above Mount 822 00:39:01,930 --> 00:39:03,250 Speaker 1: fuji and detonate it. 823 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,029 Speaker 1: And and let people see what it would do. It 824 00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:07,940 Speaker 1: wouldn't have killed anybody, but it would have shown the 825 00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: awesome destructive power of this bomb. So my point is mike, 826 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,340 Speaker 1: it could have been done. It could have been demonstrated 827 00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:19,530 Speaker 1: and they could have seen it's futile to resist this. 828 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,700 Speaker 1: And they could have done it without destroying all that 829 00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:23,739 Speaker 1: innocent human life. 830 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,930 Speaker 1: And and that's what I would have done. If I had, 831 00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:28,150 Speaker 1: if I had to do it, I would have done 832 00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:28,750 Speaker 1: it that way. 833 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,150 Speaker 1: But there were also islands where 834 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:35,650 Speaker 1: it was futile to continue to fight. 835 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,219 Speaker 1: And the Japanese continued to fight through starvation until they 836 00:39:41,219 --> 00:39:45,150 Speaker 1: fought to the to the last person was killed. 837 00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:50,150 Speaker 1: And and their belief was there was no giving up 838 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,750 Speaker 1: by the Japanese. 839 00:39:52,219 --> 00:39:55,330 Speaker 1: And so so we we dropped the bomb in in 840 00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:57,740 Speaker 1: Tokyo Bay and they continue to fight. 841 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: I get to the end to the end point that 842 00:40:02,090 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: if the decision is 843 00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:04,810 Speaker 1: killing it, 844 00:40:05,710 --> 00:40:09,030 Speaker 1: troops are bombing their cities 845 00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:12,020 Speaker 1: and where do you go at that point? 846 00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:17,270 Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's a difference between dropping an atomic 847 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: bomb on a city and going in with troops and 848 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: fighting against enemy combatants. 849 00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:27,580 Speaker 1: So obviously to save a life to save american lives, 850 00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: not to mention Japanese lives. I mean if we could 851 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: have avoided a land invasion, 852 00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:35,460 Speaker 1: that would have been great. Um the question is, how 853 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:37,450 Speaker 1: do you, what can you do to get their attention 854 00:40:37,450 --> 00:40:39,739 Speaker 1: to break their will to keep fighting? 855 00:40:40,210 --> 00:40:40,930 Speaker 1: And 856 00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:43,469 Speaker 1: you know, the the option that was chosen, 857 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: It was immoral in my view. So there were other 858 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,270 Speaker 1: options that could have been chosen. That would not have 859 00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:53,310 Speaker 1: been immoral. And I guess for me that's what I'm 860 00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:54,940 Speaker 1: saying is that's where I would draw the line. If 861 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:57,230 Speaker 1: I were President Truman in 1945 862 00:40:57,810 --> 00:41:01,230 Speaker 1: and I had the ability to drop this bomb some place, 863 00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:04,020 Speaker 1: I would not have dropped it on a population center, 864 00:41:05,110 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: I would have found something else. And if that didn't 865 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,130 Speaker 1: get their attention then okay, let's go find a 866 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:12,469 Speaker 1: a military installation, let's go find one of those islands 867 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,450 Speaker 1: in the pacific where their navy is and obliterate that 868 00:41:15,460 --> 00:41:17,470 Speaker 1: because that, that would not have been immoral. Those are 869 00:41:17,469 --> 00:41:18,529 Speaker 1: enemy combatants. 870 00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:21,070 Speaker 1: You could have done that morally. 871 00:41:21,810 --> 00:41:23,830 Speaker 1: So I mean, and then you go to the next 872 00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:25,530 Speaker 1: option and then the next option 873 00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: correct. Right. But at what point does the citizen, does 874 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: the citizens of a country, if they are building the 875 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,650 Speaker 1: rifles in the bombs for their military, do they become 876 00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:39,740 Speaker 1: a combatant 877 00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:42,950 Speaker 1: even though they don't wear a uniform? Does does does 878 00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:46,330 Speaker 1: that ever happen? Do you ever reach that point? 879 00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:49,980 Speaker 1: Well let's look at Ukraine as an example. So you 880 00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: have everyday Ukrainian citizens, men and women 881 00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:56,660 Speaker 1: who are not in the military and they've picked up 882 00:41:56,660 --> 00:42:00,210 Speaker 1: guns to fight against the Russians. So they are now 883 00:42:00,210 --> 00:42:03,230 Speaker 1: enemy combatants. But they have a moral 884 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:07,670 Speaker 1: high ground because they're the ones under attack from the Russians. 885 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,820 Speaker 1: So 886 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:12,150 Speaker 1: they they, I would say they enjoy a kind of 887 00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:15,460 Speaker 1: special status that they are civilians, but they're also fighting 888 00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: to defend their homes and defend their own lives against 889 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,930 Speaker 1: an unjust aggressor. 890 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,630 Speaker 1: So in a case like that, if if your cause 891 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:26,690 Speaker 1: is moral, your cause is righteous and you are technically 892 00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:29,130 Speaker 1: an enemy combatant even though you're not in the military, 893 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:31,220 Speaker 1: but you've got a gun or you're making bombs or 894 00:42:31,219 --> 00:42:32,020 Speaker 1: something like that. 895 00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: You are an enemy combatant. But 896 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:37,710 Speaker 1: but it's not that's not what was going on in 897 00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: the case of Japan because it was Japan that started 898 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,430 Speaker 1: this war against the United States 899 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,750 Speaker 1: with Pearl Harbor of course, and all the things that 900 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:48,410 Speaker 1: went into it. And from my study, I'm not an 901 00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:50,380 Speaker 1: expert on this matter, but I've, I've read quite a 902 00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:53,330 Speaker 1: bit about it and I've made three trips to Hiroshima 903 00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:56,420 Speaker 1: to understand better. It doesn't qualify me as an expert, 904 00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:00,410 Speaker 1: but it's pretty clear to me that most of those 905 00:43:00,410 --> 00:43:03,350 Speaker 1: people were either in it. They were not in any 906 00:43:03,350 --> 00:43:07,219 Speaker 1: way engaged in the direct manufacturing of munitions and other 907 00:43:07,219 --> 00:43:07,730 Speaker 1: things 908 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:10,230 Speaker 1: like the school Children for example, 909 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,370 Speaker 1: or the elderly people or the housewives. They were not 910 00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:13,930 Speaker 1: doing that. 911 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: And many of them who were doing it. We're not 912 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,819 Speaker 1: doing it because they wanted to do it. They were 913 00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:20,810 Speaker 1: doing it because they were forced to do it. 914 00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:25,020 Speaker 1: And that too, would would mean that they were not, 915 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,660 Speaker 1: you know, they were not actively fighting against the United States, 916 00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:32,790 Speaker 1: but see these are all fine details that, that in 917 00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:36,310 Speaker 1: no way really change the, the issue with the bottom 918 00:43:36,310 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: line issue, which is, you can never do something immoral 919 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,219 Speaker 1: to achieve a good goal. And it certainly was a 920 00:43:42,219 --> 00:43:43,670 Speaker 1: good goal to stop the war. 921 00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: Go ahead 922 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,230 Speaker 1: and Patrick, I do appreciate 923 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,590 Speaker 1: you taking opposing views and I think you do a 924 00:43:51,590 --> 00:43:52,730 Speaker 1: very good job 925 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,339 Speaker 1: and bring that out and you're very fair. And uh, anyway, um, anyway, 926 00:43:58,340 --> 00:44:02,649 Speaker 1: I appreciate your show And and what what you do 927 00:44:02,650 --> 00:44:05,500 Speaker 1: on on your program. Thank you and have a blessed day. 928 00:44:06,489 --> 00:44:09,330 Speaker 1: Thank you. Very kind of you. Uh, did you hear 929 00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:11,910 Speaker 1: that Cyrus listening to relevant radio? Help Might come back 930 00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:14,710 Speaker 1: to the catholic church. Isn't that awesome? I love that. 931 00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:15,790 Speaker 1: Yeah. 932 00:44:16,290 --> 00:44:20,570 Speaker 1: Um, let's go now to let's go to faith in 933 00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:23,220 Speaker 1: Pawtucket Rhode island. High faith Welcome. 934 00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:29,510 Speaker 1: Hello. Uh, I just wanted to say that that leading 935 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:31,510 Speaker 1: me to comment about um, 936 00:44:32,489 --> 00:44:37,610 Speaker 1: It was John 94 I believe. Where Jesus said, um, 937 00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: I might I must work the works of God while 938 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,410 Speaker 1: it is day or night is coming with me. All right. 939 00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: You're right before we must work the works of him 940 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,410 Speaker 1: who sent me? 941 00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:51,469 Speaker 1: Let me read it though, if I may just so 942 00:44:51,469 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: people know what you're referring to, 943 00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: We must work the works of him who sent me 944 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,250 Speaker 1: while it is day night comes when no one can work. 945 00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:59,779 Speaker 1: As long as I am in the world, I am 946 00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: the light of the world. 947 00:45:01,390 --> 00:45:03,810 Speaker 1: That's the one you found it for me. Thank you. 948 00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:10,220 Speaker 1: No problem. So, was he talking about um like healing 949 00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:13,750 Speaker 1: and those are the works of God and speaking the 950 00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:16,259 Speaker 1: words of God and that was that kind of work. 951 00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:16,810 Speaker 1: Not the 952 00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:19,610 Speaker 1: not the other kind of work, not physical work. 953 00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:23,810 Speaker 1: So when nighttime comes and like you're saying like when 954 00:45:23,810 --> 00:45:26,260 Speaker 1: I die, that's nighttime. Like that's when you're gonna be 955 00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:30,250 Speaker 1: persecuted or something like that? Well for you and for me? Yeah, 956 00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:32,810 Speaker 1: that's true, and of course jesus would would rise from 957 00:45:32,810 --> 00:45:34,500 Speaker 1: the dead on the third day, but 958 00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:38,029 Speaker 1: in context you noticed that what he did just before 959 00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: that was, he healed a man who was blind from birth. 960 00:45:41,489 --> 00:45:45,850 Speaker 1: And so the context seems to me that the works 961 00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:48,509 Speaker 1: that jesus is doing or that he's referring to 962 00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:54,930 Speaker 1: are these works of healing forgiveness, reconciliation, teaching the people 963 00:45:54,930 --> 00:45:57,110 Speaker 1: the truth, drawing them to God. 964 00:45:57,590 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: And you know, as he says, I am the light 965 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,050 Speaker 1: of the world and we must do these works of 966 00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:05,780 Speaker 1: him who sent me while it is day when night comes, 967 00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:07,690 Speaker 1: No one can work. I think that was an illusion 968 00:46:07,690 --> 00:46:09,500 Speaker 1: to when jesus 969 00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:12,310 Speaker 1: dies, first of all on the cross 970 00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:15,620 Speaker 1: and then also when he leaves this world and he 971 00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:16,939 Speaker 1: is no longer present 972 00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:19,500 Speaker 1: on the face of the earth in a physical way. 973 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,739 Speaker 1: Um then that could be understood as night as well. 974 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 1: Um but his time for working these works was limited 975 00:46:26,330 --> 00:46:26,989 Speaker 1: and 976 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,609 Speaker 1: it would it would end at a certain point, 977 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,870 Speaker 1: those are my thoughts on that passage. Where do you 978 00:46:31,870 --> 00:46:32,500 Speaker 1: think faith? 979 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:35,490 Speaker 1: Mhm. 980 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know. Um Yes, I I think you're 981 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,710 Speaker 1: right um also I have one more question and maybe 982 00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:44,830 Speaker 1: I didn't catch it before when you were talking because 983 00:46:44,830 --> 00:46:48,390 Speaker 1: I'm not working right now? Sorry. Um is it, do 984 00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:51,900 Speaker 1: you think it's immoral to be a soldier 985 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,710 Speaker 1: and do your duty. 986 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,410 Speaker 1: You know, as a soldier, do you think that's a 987 00:46:56,410 --> 00:47:00,250 Speaker 1: moral to to do that to kill? Because that's your 988 00:47:00,260 --> 00:47:01,910 Speaker 1: kind of like your job or something? 989 00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 1: Well, if you're a soldier 990 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,219 Speaker 1: and you're fighting enemy combatants and they're shooting at you 991 00:47:09,219 --> 00:47:10,700 Speaker 1: or trying to kill you, 992 00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:13,489 Speaker 1: you have a moral um 993 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,340 Speaker 1: it is not immoral for you to fight back and 994 00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:20,860 Speaker 1: kill them. And this is the church's teaching on legitimate 995 00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: self defense. It has to be proportional. It also has 996 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,100 Speaker 1: to be against somebody who's 997 00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: unjustly aggressing you 998 00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: with the intent to kill you. You have a right 999 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,739 Speaker 1: to defend yourself even if it means using lethal force. 1000 00:47:32,739 --> 00:47:34,870 Speaker 1: So that would apply to police. That would apply to 1001 00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:35,490 Speaker 1: the military. 1002 00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:38,140 Speaker 1: Now, to use an example I I brought up on 1003 00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:40,460 Speaker 1: the show the other day, let's say that the enemy 1004 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:45,210 Speaker 1: combatant throws down his weapon, raises his hands and surrenders. 1005 00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: Well, he's the same guy that you were trying to 1006 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:48,900 Speaker 1: kill 1007 00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:52,509 Speaker 1: five minutes ago. And if you killed him five minutes 1008 00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:54,420 Speaker 1: ago while he was shooting at you, you would not 1009 00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: have done anything immoral. However, if he's surrendering and he's 1010 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: approaching you without the intention to harm you, he's just 1011 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: surrendering and then you shoot him. 1012 00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: Well, that of course would be murder. So the circumstances 1013 00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:09,500 Speaker 1: they change the morality of the act as do 1014 00:48:09,969 --> 00:48:12,580 Speaker 1: the act itself and your intention, 1015 00:48:13,070 --> 00:48:16,090 Speaker 1: but in that case the circumstances mean everything. 1016 00:48:16,469 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: So we have to look at it 1017 00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:21,390 Speaker 1: that way as well. Great questions. Faith. I'm really glad 1018 00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: you called today. Thank you. We're gonna start our three 1019 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,760 Speaker 1: in just a second. 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