1 00:00:00,340 --> 00:00:03,270 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to BeautyIQ the podcast. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:04,250 Speaker 1: I'm your host Joanna Fleming 3 00:00:04,690 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: and I am your co-host, Hannah Furst. 4 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:12,570 Speaker 1: Hi Jo, it's Friday. It's 9am. How're you feeling? 5 00:00:12,580 --> 00:00:15,020 Speaker 1: You know what? I was driving here, I was thinking 6 00:00:15,790 --> 00:00:18,350 Speaker 1: how goods podcast recording on a Friday? 7 00:00:18,660 --> 00:00:20,529 Speaker 1: If only it was 5pm and we could have a wine one 8 00:00:21,690 --> 00:00:22,290 Speaker 1: I mean we get lit anyway without the wine 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,170 Speaker 1: We do, we do. So tell us what's on this episode. 10 00:00:25,170 --> 00:00:27,710 Speaker 1: So on today's episode, we have a special friend of 11 00:00:27,710 --> 00:00:30,830 Speaker 1: ours coming in to talk that cellulite. We also have 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,250 Speaker 1: Ross from Biologi, and if you don't know what Biologi is, 13 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:35,260 Speaker 1: you probably want to listen. 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,140 Speaker 1: It's one of the most hyped brands 15 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: and it's super interesting. And also, PSA: IT Cosmetics has just 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,260 Speaker 1: launched at Adore Beauty. So we've lost our shit. We both 17 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: love it 18 00:00:46,810 --> 00:00:50,420 Speaker 1: And we actually, this week were like, product we didn't know we needed, we both said IT cosmetics, 19 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:51,909 Speaker 1: CC cream. So we're going to tell you a little 20 00:00:51,909 --> 00:00:52,350 Speaker 1: bit more about it 21 00:00:52,810 --> 00:00:53,910 Speaker 1: Have we ruined the episode by saying what's at the end. 22 00:00:53,910 --> 00:00:57,470 Speaker 1: no, I think people want to listen. 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,150 Speaker 1: So for today's cringy convo, it's not really a cringy convo. 24 00:01:05,150 --> 00:01:09,260 Speaker 1: We have a special guest joining us. Jess King is a model 25 00:01:09,260 --> 00:01:09,590 Speaker 1: based in melbourne. Thanks for joing us Jess 26 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,350 Speaker 1: Her instagram handle is @jessraeking 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,209 Speaker 1: if you want to go and follow her 28 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I'm very excited. 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,979 Speaker 1: Now on the note of Instagram, you posted a photo recently. 30 00:01:19,990 --> 00:01:22,350 Speaker 1: A beautiful photo of you on the beach. 31 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,380 Speaker 1: of my butt 32 00:01:23,380 --> 00:01:24,810 Speaker 1: Yes. and I scrolled past and I tapped that 33 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:26,820 Speaker 1: you were tapping my butt 34 00:01:26,830 --> 00:01:30,380 Speaker 1: you received a negative comment on that which you called 35 00:01:30,380 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: out publicly on instagram; which I loved. Can you tell us a 36 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,550 Speaker 1: bit about that? 37 00:01:34,940 --> 00:01:38,290 Speaker 1: So basically I had about, like, 150 comments and all 38 00:01:38,290 --> 00:01:40,790 Speaker 1: of them are positive, which is amazing. I mean, 90% 39 00:01:40,790 --> 00:01:43,809 Speaker 1: of the time, everyone's so positive and lovely. But I 40 00:01:43,810 --> 00:01:48,779 Speaker 1: ended up checking out who had shared the post and there was 41 00:01:48,790 --> 00:01:51,450 Speaker 1: a girl there, a young girl, maybe in her twenties, who 42 00:01:51,450 --> 00:01:54,390 Speaker 1: had shared it and had pretty much said that, you know, 43 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,430 Speaker 1: I was unhealthy and overweight simply because I had cellulitt 44 00:02:01,110 --> 00:02:04,810 Speaker 1: That's crazy because we've learnt that 90% of women actually 45 00:02:04,810 --> 00:02:05,460 Speaker 1: have cellulite 46 00:02:05,850 --> 00:02:09,100 Speaker 1: and also does she not have it? Has she never had cellulite before? 47 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. But she's obviously just like... 48 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,230 Speaker 1: Did you stalk her? Cause I would have been like, 'where are her bikini pics?' 49 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:20,550 Speaker 1: I feel like thatseal...must be a massive misconception that cellulite equals unhealthy. 50 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:24,940 Speaker 1: I'm a size six and I have cellulite. I'm not an unhealthy person. 51 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:26,739 Speaker 1: I love a bit of chocolate every now and then, 52 00:02:26,740 --> 00:02:28,179 Speaker 1: but I'm not an unhealthy person. 53 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:30,830 Speaker 1: And I think I've had periods of my life where I'm 54 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:34,950 Speaker 1: super healthy and working out all the time. And there is... 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: my cellulite won't go away, and I've come to accept 56 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,339 Speaker 1: that it's always going to be there. When I'm healthy, 57 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:44,060 Speaker 1: I feel better. But I feel that it's never going 58 00:02:44,060 --> 00:02:45,900 Speaker 1: to go away. And based on all the research that 59 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:47,890 Speaker 1: I've done, you actually can't get rid of it. 60 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,889 Speaker 1: So it's not like you can just say that you know, 61 00:02:50,889 --> 00:02:53,550 Speaker 1: 'thin people don't have it. It's only for overweight people'. Yeah 62 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:55,710 Speaker 1: or that it makes you unhealthy 63 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:56,190 Speaker 1: yeah, total 64 00:02:56,190 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: if you have it. We read an interesting article from 65 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,210 Speaker 1: Refinery 29 and they actually called out the fact that Vogue 66 00:03:03,210 --> 00:03:08,190 Speaker 1: essentially made cellulite in the late sixties. They kind of 67 00:03:08,190 --> 00:03:11,650 Speaker 1: made it a women's issue as opposed to just being 68 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: a regular thing on our bodies. So medically it's subcutaneous 69 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: fat and fibrous tissue beneath your skin, which is completely normal. 70 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,889 Speaker 1: And obviously as women, we experience that more. I haven't 71 00:03:23,889 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: really seen men with cellulite. 72 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:28,110 Speaker 1: I did read... 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: I have seen some men with it 74 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,790 Speaker 1: It's pretty...It's less common. It's very common in women, less common 75 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: in man. 76 00:03:32,130 --> 00:03:32,900 Speaker 1: Why is that? 77 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:36,470 Speaker 1: I think it's because they have more muscle than fat. 78 00:03:36,510 --> 00:03:37,580 Speaker 1: It's our hormones as well. 79 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:42,350 Speaker 1: and actually there's hormonal factors and genetic factors also. 80 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,460 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting. 81 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: but if 90% of women have it. It's kind of not genetic, 82 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,030 Speaker 1: is it? It's like just all women have it. 83 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,490 Speaker 1: Yeah well, I remember when I first realised that, you know, 84 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:54,230 Speaker 1: society saw it as a negative thing. I was in 85 00:03:54,230 --> 00:03:56,330 Speaker 1: the supermarket with my mom. I think I was maybe, like, 86 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:58,550 Speaker 1: 10 or 11 and I developed quite early. So I 87 00:03:58,550 --> 00:04:00,260 Speaker 1: had boobs when I was like, nine years old 88 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,100 Speaker 1: jealous... 89 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:06,690 Speaker 1: and we were waiting in line and I saw all these 90 00:04:06,690 --> 00:04:09,910 Speaker 1: magazines and pointing out cellulite. And I was like, 'Oh 91 00:04:09,910 --> 00:04:10,540 Speaker 1: my God' 92 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:11,700 Speaker 1: Oh, those like, NW 93 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:13,970 Speaker 1: Yeah, all the tabloids. 94 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: They're so awful. 95 00:04:14,930 --> 00:04:18,150 Speaker 1: Terrible. Terrible. Yeah. And I just thought, 'Oh my God, like I've 96 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,410 Speaker 1: got that. Does that mean I'm disgusting?' And it kind 97 00:04:20,410 --> 00:04:23,190 Speaker 1: of like went from there and I just spiralled into 98 00:04:23,190 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: this like, self hate thing 99 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:26,900 Speaker 1: been there. 100 00:04:26,910 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: So you've struggled with body image before and you're now... I mean, 101 00:04:31,810 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: you're really positive about your body. And how did you 102 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: get to that point? Because I think a lot of 103 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,020 Speaker 1: women are still in that space where they're hating it and 104 00:04:39,020 --> 00:04:42,390 Speaker 1: they see cellulite and they don't like it. How do you get 105 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: to the point that you're at now 106 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,730 Speaker 1: at the risk of sounding totally cliche like, it is 107 00:04:46,730 --> 00:04:52,570 Speaker 1: a journey. It's taken a really long time. I went 108 00:04:52,570 --> 00:04:55,909 Speaker 1: through like a really terrible period in my teens and 109 00:04:55,910 --> 00:04:59,690 Speaker 1: early twenties where had, like, issues with disordered eating and 110 00:04:59,690 --> 00:05:03,370 Speaker 1: body image issues. But it wasn't until I kind of 111 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:05,980 Speaker 1: became a plus sized model, and I saw that people like, 112 00:05:05,980 --> 00:05:08,220 Speaker 1: celebrating me for who I am and the body that 113 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: I have, that I realised; Hey, it's OK to look 114 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,140 Speaker 1: like this. It's okay that I'm not a size six, 115 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, am a size 12 to 14. I've got 116 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: stretch marks. I've got cellulite. It's all good. It doesn't 117 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,650 Speaker 1: mean I'm unhealthy or unfit. 118 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,020 Speaker 1: I see your instagram, you're at F45 all the time 119 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,490 Speaker 1: you smash that. Something that I saw; you did an interview 120 00:05:29,490 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: with Studio 10 over Fashion Week. And I loved that 121 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,470 Speaker 1: you were introduced as a model because I don't particularly... 122 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,180 Speaker 1: like I don't want to introduce you as a plus-sized model 123 00:05:37,210 --> 00:05:38,270 Speaker 1: that never happens... 124 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:41,089 Speaker 1: yeah because I don't.... You're not plus size to me. You're 125 00:05:41,089 --> 00:05:42,650 Speaker 1: a regular body shape 126 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:45,140 Speaker 1: I think it's because like, a lot of people do introduce me as 127 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: a plus-sized model because it's about educating people and like 128 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,090 Speaker 1: making them aware of like, you know, the industry and 129 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:54,330 Speaker 1: what I am, because sometimes you know, I'll be like, 130 00:05:54,339 --> 00:05:54,770 Speaker 1: 'I'm a model' they'll be like 'Mmmm...what do you model...like, you're not skinny' 131 00:05:58,450 --> 00:05:59,300 Speaker 1: Oh my god that's so bad 132 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just about, you know, like opening that dialogue. And 133 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,710 Speaker 1: for me, like I'm not ashamed of the term at all. 134 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,010 Speaker 1: I think it's a chance to really, like, have great 135 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:11,250 Speaker 1: discussions and educate people that, you know, there's different bodies 136 00:06:11,250 --> 00:06:13,370 Speaker 1: out there and everybody should be represented 137 00:06:13,380 --> 00:06:17,540 Speaker 1: So for me, the journey was... I probably just hated 138 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:20,300 Speaker 1: my body all the way through my teens. And then I 139 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:22,109 Speaker 1: think I got to a stage... I think I got 140 00:06:22,110 --> 00:06:24,370 Speaker 1: to a stage where I was like, actually took a break off 141 00:06:24,370 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: work and went travelling. And I was like, 'I'm f***ing sick of it. 142 00:06:27,650 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm sick of what I say to myself. I'm sick 143 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,860 Speaker 1: of the way I talk to myself. I'm just going 144 00:06:31,860 --> 00:06:34,930 Speaker 1: to stop now' and I actually stopped for like, a good... 145 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,970 Speaker 1: like the whole time I was travelling for five months. 146 00:06:37,970 --> 00:06:41,210 Speaker 1: I just stopped saying that to myself. And it really changed 147 00:06:41,210 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: my relationship with food, I think. And actually just naturally lost weight. 148 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:45,980 Speaker 1: Not that that was the goal, but it's because I 149 00:06:45,980 --> 00:06:48,300 Speaker 1: stopped thinking about it and I stopped carrying about it. 150 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:50,350 Speaker 1: But then I always go...I go up and down 151 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: and I think the thing that... 152 00:06:51,250 --> 00:06:54,660 Speaker 1: it's never like, 'Oh, now it's done. I love my 153 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:57,500 Speaker 1: body for the rest of my life'. It's just doesn't... 154 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:58,450 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen 155 00:06:58,660 --> 00:07:01,340 Speaker 1: It's so unrealistic though. And sometimes I have a problem with the body 156 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: positivity movement because, you know, it's all about 'love your body, you're amazing, blah blah blah...' 157 00:07:05,450 --> 00:07:08,670 Speaker 1: But I just think like as humans, and as women especially, 158 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: we're not going to love ourselves every moment 159 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,860 Speaker 1: 100%. I couldn't agree more. I think there's times where you 160 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:16,230 Speaker 1: feel really good about yourself, but it's also really normal 161 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:20,450 Speaker 1: as well, to have shit days, and be like, 'I'm not feeling myself 162 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: today or I don't feel like being in a bikini' 163 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,489 Speaker 1: and I think... back to the cellulite thing. Like for me, 164 00:07:25,490 --> 00:07:29,470 Speaker 1: I did... I wrote an article about cellulite for Adore Beauty 165 00:07:29,470 --> 00:07:32,620 Speaker 1: and I had tried a few different things to try 166 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:34,630 Speaker 1: to reduce the appearance of it. I was like, 'It's 167 00:07:34,630 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: not going to go away. I know that'. But when the dimpling gets...I know I feel really unhealthy when I'm like, eating badly and not exercising and then I notice it in my body. And I was like, 'is it bad to want to like, slightly you know, get in shape?' 168 00:08:40,220 --> 00:08:40,460 Speaker 1: I think it should just be about like, what makes you feel most confident. It shouldn't be about what anyone else classifies as their version of body positivity. If you feel positive about your body because, you're going to F45, or you're using a micro needler. You know, you should be able to feel good whatever way. It's just...body positivity is different to everybody 169 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:44,130 Speaker 1: A lot of people actually call me out, because I do love exercise and I exercise all the time. And I have to be like, 'guys, I'm not exercising to lose weight. I'm exercising because I feel amazing' 170 00:08:44,140 --> 00:08:44,420 Speaker 1: to feel good 171 00:08:44,420 --> 00:08:44,500 Speaker 1: to be fit. And fitness isn't necessarily going to make you size 6. But it's just making you healthy. You know, you've got muscle, you know..you're a healthy person. 172 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,579 Speaker 1: Do you know what I find really interesting...Ashley Graham...she can't win. She's like, she loses a bit of weight and then it's like 'oh my god'. And then it like, she just can't win. 173 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:49,469 Speaker 1: I love Ashley Graham 174 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:49,710 Speaker 1: I love her 175 00:08:49,710 --> 00:08:49,940 Speaker 1: She's amazing. I met her when she was here 176 00:08:49,950 --> 00:08:50,300 Speaker 1: Get out. 177 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:50,469 Speaker 1: What was she like? 178 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:51,090 Speaker 1: She's like a unicorn. Seriously. She's so hot. Her skin is amazing. She just like, amidst this glow 179 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:54,940 Speaker 1: She's just stunning. Like, I'm obsessed with her. And the 180 00:08:54,940 --> 00:08:56,390 Speaker 1: whole pregnancy thing, I'm like, 'yasss'. Get it. 181 00:08:59,300 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: I know. She's nailing it. 182 00:08:59,530 --> 00:09:01,940 Speaker 1: What I found really hard as a teenager, and I think 183 00:09:01,940 --> 00:09:04,180 Speaker 1: if there's any like, young girls listening, was when I 184 00:09:04,179 --> 00:09:08,350 Speaker 1: was like 14 and 15, I was literally the only 185 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,510 Speaker 1: girl of my friends on the beach with cellulite 186 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:11,150 Speaker 1: same. 187 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,140 Speaker 1: And I actually used to look at my mom who 188 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:15,670 Speaker 1: has cellulite. And I'd be like, 'It's your fault that 189 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:19,630 Speaker 1: I have cellulite and it's all your fault' Because I 190 00:09:19,630 --> 00:09:21,950 Speaker 1: was like, 'Why? Why is it just me?' 191 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,750 Speaker 1: I think we need to change the education around it. 192 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's like in high school, 193 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,990 Speaker 1: some sort of health and body image education class or 194 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:35,260 Speaker 1: something like that, but because as you said, like I 195 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:38,100 Speaker 1: grew up, and I thought something was wrong with me. Nobody 196 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,950 Speaker 1: told me otherwise, and it's because, like in the media, 197 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:45,150 Speaker 1: I saw Britney and Christina and they have these perfect, smooth legs. 198 00:09:45,150 --> 00:09:48,260 Speaker 1: And I thought, 'Wow I am unhealthy, unfit, gross'. 199 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:48,699 Speaker 1: But also, photoshop 200 00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:52,210 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean as, I think as a young girl, 201 00:09:52,210 --> 00:09:53,780 Speaker 1: you don't automatically think photoshop. 202 00:09:55,140 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: for sure. An interesting quote in this article that we spoke about 203 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,420 Speaker 1: before was, 'body fat had once been a sign of 204 00:10:03,420 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: prosperity and of energy storage in the body. But from this 205 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,410 Speaker 1: point on, it was considered a useless parasitic load', which 206 00:10:10,420 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: I find really interesting because that is so true. Like, yeah, 207 00:10:15,050 --> 00:10:18,740 Speaker 1: body fat was once considered... You know, you were like 208 00:10:18,750 --> 00:10:20,370 Speaker 1: rich or something if you were bigger 209 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, where did we go wrong? What happened? 210 00:10:21,929 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: I know. 211 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,050 Speaker 1: Sometimes I find it really weird. Like, the cultural norms we've created. 212 00:10:26,250 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: Yes. When did this happen? 213 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:31,150 Speaker 1: That fact that you look in the mirror and it's like... it's normal to have, 214 00:10:31,150 --> 00:10:35,310 Speaker 1: dimpled thighs and bum where you carry more fat. Why is that 215 00:10:35,309 --> 00:10:39,030 Speaker 1: so disgusting to some people? Like why? Like what... What 216 00:10:39,030 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: is it about that? it's just a normal part of 217 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:41,710 Speaker 1: your body? 218 00:10:41,710 --> 00:10:44,230 Speaker 1: There's lots of things... I think about this stuff sometimes when I'm going to sleep 219 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,059 Speaker 1: Yeah same. I get really deep. And I'm like, 'why? why is society like this?' 220 00:10:49,090 --> 00:10:52,410 Speaker 1: Or like in the shower. I'm like, 'When did we come up with that being a bad thing? 221 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:55,220 Speaker 1: Wow, you're so wise. 222 00:10:55,230 --> 00:10:58,270 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I have a lot of thoughts in the shower. But I don't 223 00:10:58,270 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: know when this happened. Can someone tell us? when was 224 00:11:02,809 --> 00:11:03,630 Speaker 1: the changeover? 225 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:04,710 Speaker 1: When did it all change? 226 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it must have been this Vogue article 227 00:11:06,890 --> 00:11:07,980 Speaker 1: in the late sixties. I reckon up until then, we were all good 228 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:13,050 Speaker 1: I definitely, distinctly remember as a teenager though, it was 229 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,540 Speaker 1: magazines because they would show pictures of celebrities on the 230 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:25,870 Speaker 1: beach like, just like, shaming them for their cellulite. And that...so I then developed like, 231 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,770 Speaker 1: in my head; 'Oh, cellulite equals bad' and it probably took, I 232 00:11:30,770 --> 00:11:33,420 Speaker 1: think probably 10 years for me to be, like, 'I actually 233 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:35,340 Speaker 1: don't give a shit about my cellulite', but at the 234 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:39,479 Speaker 1: same time... So I, even if I lose weight; cellulite stays there. 235 00:11:39,510 --> 00:11:44,180 Speaker 1: So I'm just like, I've accepted the cellulite. But when 236 00:11:44,179 --> 00:11:47,500 Speaker 1: I do gain weight, you would know this, I don't feel 237 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:48,490 Speaker 1: my best. 238 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: She goes on about it. 239 00:11:49,929 --> 00:11:51,910 Speaker 1: It's hard to 240 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:55,890 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it is like, I do struggle like, 241 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm so far from perfect in that respect. 242 00:11:58,170 --> 00:12:00,910 Speaker 1: But that's what we said about like body positivity is 243 00:12:00,910 --> 00:12:04,690 Speaker 1: your own perception. Like if you feel like shit when 244 00:12:04,690 --> 00:12:07,190 Speaker 1: you're in that state and you feel better when you're 245 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:10,229 Speaker 1: back at F45 or you're eating healthy foods then that's 246 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: your version. 247 00:12:11,990 --> 00:12:12,260 Speaker 1: Yep. 248 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:13,350 Speaker 1: You're always beautiful, Hannah. 249 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,140 Speaker 1: She says that and I'm like... I mean I joke about it, but 250 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:20,750 Speaker 1: I complain about it. I complain when my clothes stop fitting me. 251 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,730 Speaker 1: Because then I'm like, I have to buy a whole 252 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:23,429 Speaker 1: new wardrobe. 253 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,790 Speaker 1: I think you came in, you were like, 'my jeans don't fit'. I did want 254 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:33,220 Speaker 1: to ask, did your... You've obviously gone through a traumatic 255 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:38,470 Speaker 1: time recently and a break up. Did that whole situation, 256 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:41,690 Speaker 1: the nastiness of that situation, d id that affect your confidence 257 00:12:41,690 --> 00:12:43,750 Speaker 1: in the way that you felt about yourself? 258 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,290 Speaker 1: Definitely. I mean, I think it's normal for when something 259 00:12:46,290 --> 00:12:49,010 Speaker 1: like that to happen that you automatically like, question and 260 00:12:49,010 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: think is it something to do with me. Is it my body? 261 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,590 Speaker 1: Is it my personality, blah blah blah... But I think I've just 262 00:12:55,590 --> 00:13:01,050 Speaker 1: tried to come back to... It's their problems, and I can 263 00:13:01,050 --> 00:13:02,550 Speaker 1: only do the best that I can and be the 264 00:13:02,550 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: best version of myself, and that's all that matters. 265 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that's the outcome. 266 00:13:08,690 --> 00:13:09,209 Speaker 1: Sounds like you dodged a bullet 267 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:15,170 Speaker 1: yeah, I know. We gotta hear more about this when we stop recording. 268 00:13:15,179 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: you can go listen to Jess talk about that on 269 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:19,270 Speaker 1: the love podcasts 270 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:19,670 Speaker 1: love etc 271 00:13:21,309 --> 00:13:25,429 Speaker 1: So things kind of went a little bit off-topic. We started off 272 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,349 Speaker 1: talking about cellulite. And then we got pretty deep. Didn't we? 273 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah we did. 274 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,490 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us Jess. 275 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:31,030 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. The meme has come true.  276 00:13:46,540 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: Yes 277 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,220 Speaker 1: I'm here in the flesh. We need to recreate that phot 278 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: So welcome to our next guest. I'd like to introduce everybody to Ross. 279 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,340 Speaker 1: He is the founder of Biologi Skincare. Is it Biologi Skincare? Or 280 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: would you classify it that way? Considering there's only a 281 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,300 Speaker 1: couple of key products in the range. 282 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,890 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, it is skincare brand, 283 00:14:02,890 --> 00:14:15,060 Speaker 2: but it's all serums. Because Can you tell us a little 284 00:14:15,059 --> 00:14:20,110 Speaker 2: bit about why you started Biologi? Because this actually this 285 00:14:20,110 --> 00:14:23,020 Speaker 2: interview came about because Kate was in here recording her 286 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:26,130 Speaker 2: episode and she told us that she used the Biologi serum on her daughter who has eczema. 287 00:14:28,340 --> 00:14:31,650 Speaker 2: And it disappeared. We were like, 'ok, we need to get this guy in'. 288 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: After working in an industry for many, many, many years 289 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,210 Speaker 2: being a cosmetic chemist, I decided that what I wanted 290 00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:42,050 Speaker 2: to do was to find the best way of actually 291 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: helping the consumer. And I started working on a company. I developed 292 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,140 Speaker 2: a chemical plant extracts that has a revolutionary extraction technology 293 00:14:52,510 --> 00:14:56,590 Speaker 2: that's able to pull across the true phytonutrients of plants 294 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,500 Speaker 2: and that's what you find in the Biologi Skincare. So there's 295 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: a number of revolutions in that, because for the first 296 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: time ever it... Let's pick on Vitamin C. You're actually 297 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,780 Speaker 2: delivering true plant vitamin C. It's the only brand in the 298 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:15,020 Speaker 2: world that actually does that, because everyone else puts a 299 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:16,990 Speaker 2: synthetic ascorbic acid in their product. 300 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: For people that, I guess... Vitamins C, What does... What 301 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,190 Speaker 1: kind of results would they see from using a vitamin 302 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: C like... the BK serum is the vitamin C 303 00:15:27,950 --> 00:15:30,410 Speaker 2: the most important thing that vitamin C does is it 304 00:15:30,410 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: helps the collagen and elastin in your skin rejuvenate and 305 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: makes it more supple. That's a really important part, especially 306 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,970 Speaker 2: if you wanting to reduce your wrinkles or just have more 307 00:15:42,970 --> 00:15:49,450 Speaker 2: supple skin. So it helps the linkages between the cells. 308 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: Now the thing is that you see a lot of 309 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,780 Speaker 2: these collagen products on the market that say that, you know, 310 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,820 Speaker 2: 'you eat this collagen and it's going to help your collagen' 311 00:16:00,820 --> 00:16:03,290 Speaker 2: and well, it's like saying like if I want strong 312 00:16:03,290 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: fingernails I'm just going to eat fingernails. There's no such thing 313 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: as collagen in powder. It's amino acids. Amino acids are 314 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,650 Speaker 2: good for you, but let's get it right, guys. It's 315 00:16:20,650 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: not collagen. It's the building blocks of collagen in which 316 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: is amino acids. So, you know, so you want to deliver the vitamin C, 317 00:16:29,530 --> 00:16:32,350 Speaker 2: and then we're talking ascorbic acid here, we're talking true 318 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:36,850 Speaker 2: pure plant Vitamin C, and that helps go straight into the skin to 319 00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: help the linkages. If you eat vitamin C, what it's 320 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,570 Speaker 2: going to do... It's not going to help your skin, 321 00:16:42,570 --> 00:16:45,890 Speaker 2: because it's going to actually get used up by your gut and you're inner 322 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: workings of your body. Because collagen and elastin is not 323 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,660 Speaker 2: only in your skin, it's in nearly every single part 324 00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:55,180 Speaker 2: of your body. So by the time it gets into you, 325 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,660 Speaker 2: every single part of your body it's going to be wasted. It's going 326 00:16:57,660 --> 00:17:01,500 Speaker 2: to be used up. So the only way to really get true, 327 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:06,510 Speaker 2: effective supple skin is to actually directly apply the BK serum . 328 00:17:07,650 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: And I wondered about the... Can you tell us a 329 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,050 Speaker 1: bit about the BF serum, which is the body... 330 00:17:14,170 --> 00:17:16,700 Speaker 1: we've seen some pretty amazing before and afters 331 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,010 Speaker 1: and the reviews for the whole brand... The reviews honestly 332 00:17:21,010 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: blew my mind. I couldn't believe that you had so 333 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: many amazing reviews on this product, and it made me 334 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 1: want to try it and I'm usually a skeptic. So can you tell us why? Like, 335 00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: how do you have so many amazing reviews? 336 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: Oh we pay a lot. 337 00:17:38,369 --> 00:17:40,700 Speaker 1: What is it about these products? 338 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: It's simple because you were just delivering pure plant nutrients. 339 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:50,889 Speaker 2: It's that simple. It's like when you have salad from 340 00:17:50,890 --> 00:17:55,060 Speaker 2: fresh raw ingredients, it makes you feel better. It's exactly 341 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: the same thing. There's 342 00:17:57,710 --> 00:18:01,220 Speaker 1: It's true... I've done a plant based diet. You feel amazing, your 343 00:18:01,230 --> 00:18:04,550 Speaker 1: energy levels, like you're just fueling your body with good stuff. 344 00:18:04,540 --> 00:18:05,980 Speaker 1: Is that kind of the same thing? 345 00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: It's exactly the same. I mean, look, you know, I 346 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,670 Speaker 2: might be a bit of a science geek and... 347 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:11,750 Speaker 1: Oh we can't tell. 348 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:17,770 Speaker 1: I know that you don't recommend using any other products 349 00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:21,820 Speaker 1: with the Biologi serums. Except for the new Rosehip oil. 350 00:18:22,030 --> 00:18:24,810 Speaker 1: So why is that? And what would you say to 351 00:18:24,810 --> 00:18:27,340 Speaker 1: someone like me that loves to layer different things and 352 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:30,340 Speaker 1: loves to use different forms of skincare ? And I 353 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:33,210 Speaker 1: actually like doing that. If I wanted to add the 354 00:18:33,210 --> 00:18:36,030 Speaker 1: Biologi serum into my routine, how would I do that? 355 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,370 Speaker 1: Or would you say you can't, just drop everything else? 356 00:18:39,390 --> 00:18:43,899 Speaker 2: Biologi products remove the requirement to use other serums, obviously, any moisturisers. 357 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,350 Speaker 2: You don't need anything else for your skin. You gotta 358 00:18:48,350 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: understand that, your skin is like, it's a living organ . 359 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:56,370 Speaker 2: It's the largest organ in... actually, in your body. It 360 00:18:56,369 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 2: only needs nutrients. Full stop. You need to feed the 361 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,470 Speaker 2: cellular structure to make it as best as it can. 362 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:08,010 Speaker 2: And it's like feeding yourself like if you eat McDonald's 363 00:19:08,010 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: for a whole month, can you imagine what you'd be like? Sorry. 364 00:19:12,060 --> 00:19:16,790 Speaker 2: Takeaway food, I should say. And if you did that with 365 00:19:16,790 --> 00:19:19,300 Speaker 2: raw plant materials, you'd be feeling a hell of a 366 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:21,670 Speaker 2: lot better, its the same thing with skin care 367 00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:25,770 Speaker 1: You mentioned before that our founders, Kate and James, had come 368 00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:29,550 Speaker 1: up to your farm at Byron Bay, and that's where 369 00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: you developed some of the ingredients or grow some of 370 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,770 Speaker 1: the ingredients. So do you do everything out of that 371 00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:36,110 Speaker 1: farm at Byron Bay? 372 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,830 Speaker 2: Okay, well, no, it's not our farm. 373 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,629 Speaker 1: That farm. 374 00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:42,010 Speaker 2: The farm. 375 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,420 Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm really good friends with Cheryl ... 376 00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:49,660 Speaker 1: Cheryl's farm 377 00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:51,340 Speaker 1: Thanks, Cheryl. Shoutout to Cheryl. 378 00:19:52,820 --> 00:19:57,290 Speaker 2: The one thing that...we work with a number of suppliers 379 00:19:57,290 --> 00:20:01,690 Speaker 2: of Australian plant materials, and it's and we're very, very 380 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:05,910 Speaker 2: transparent in regards to that. So, for example, the finger 381 00:20:05,910 --> 00:20:10,530 Speaker 2: lime and Davidson plum come from Cheryl's farm and farms around 382 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:15,389 Speaker 2: Cheryl that we use Cheryl to get our raw materials from. 383 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:18,660 Speaker 2: So most of our finger lime and Davidson plum come 384 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: from the Byron area. And the Kakadu plum comes from the northern part 385 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:28,180 Speaker 2: of Australia through indigenous communities. And I love being able 386 00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:32,090 Speaker 2: to work with Cheryl and the indigenous communities and any 387 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: anybody else that we deal with. We want to make 388 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,889 Speaker 2: sure that when we do that, we're actually buying the 389 00:20:37,890 --> 00:20:41,490 Speaker 2: fruit or the whatever we do at a fair marketable 390 00:20:41,890 --> 00:20:46,380 Speaker 2: price that puts money back into their communities because I 391 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: think it's key that you know, if we're going to 392 00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:51,910 Speaker 2: create a brand that's going to be very popular and we're 393 00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: going to need more raw materials that we can actually 394 00:20:55,970 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: make their life better as well. Because without them, we don't have 395 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,430 Speaker 2: a product 396 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:05,129 Speaker 2: And I love that you know where your ingredients come from as well 397 00:21:05,550 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: that's really refreshing 398 00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:11,210 Speaker 2: I have another question. So we get a lot of 399 00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:14,750 Speaker 2: questions from people with sensitive skin about the fact that 400 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:22,500 Speaker 2: they can't use actives. So is Biologi... I mean, it's 100% active, single ingredient, organic, 401 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:25,369 Speaker 2: pure plant serum. That was... that's sort of the tag line. 402 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,609 Speaker 2: Yep. 403 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: so it is 100% active? 404 00:21:28,369 --> 00:21:28,649 Speaker 2: correct. 405 00:21:28,660 --> 00:21:30,949 Speaker 2: And people with sensitive skin can use it? 406 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,390 Speaker 2: Yes 407 00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:34,460 Speaker 2: that's amazing. People will be happy to hear that 408 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: There you go, you heard it hear first. 409 00:21:36,380 --> 00:21:38,660 Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you're going to have to maybe reduce 410 00:21:38,660 --> 00:21:40,790 Speaker 2: your regime from seven or eight products down to one or two. 411 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,590 Speaker 1: Probably saving me some money. Thanks for joining us. We've learnt a lot. 412 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,899 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate 413 00:21:49,910 --> 00:21:50,350 Speaker 1: the time. 414 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:56,669 Speaker 1: Yes. So product I didn't know I needed. We've actually 415 00:21:56,670 --> 00:21:59,899 Speaker 1: both chosen the same product today, which is a first 416 00:21:59,910 --> 00:22:03,740 Speaker 1: because we're fighting over it. She was like I want to do the IT cosmetics CC cream. And I was like, No, 417 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:04,250 Speaker 1: I want to. 418 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:05,510 Speaker 1: are you wearing it today? 419 00:22:05,619 --> 00:22:06,460 Speaker 1: Yes, I am 420 00:22:06,859 --> 00:22:09,060 Speaker 1: So the video that we will put up for the episode. 421 00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:10,290 Speaker 1: You'll see how glowy it is. 422 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: Yes. I'm wearing the the illuminating one. 423 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,820 Speaker 1: So IT cosmetics has the cc cream has just launched at 424 00:22:15,820 --> 00:22:16,659 Speaker 1: Adore Beauty 425 00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:20,810 Speaker 1: it's usually out of stock everywhere, like impossible to get. But 426 00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:22,090 Speaker 1: we have it so 427 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: and tell us a bit about the cc cream. I don't... 428 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,340 Speaker 1: what does CC... someone asked me the other day what CC stands for? 429 00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:28,090 Speaker 1: colour correcting 430 00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:30,619 Speaker 1: I knew that, but I thought some people listening might not know 431 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: Don't act all relatable. You know shit, Hannah 432 00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: I do know shit now. 433 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:41,940 Speaker 1: it just... it's probably more of a foundation than CC cream I would say because I've 434 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:45,109 Speaker 1: used like, BB and CC creams and they're much lighter coverage. 435 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,619 Speaker 1: I'd say it's more of a foundation, like a medium 436 00:22:47,619 --> 00:22:50,260 Speaker 1: coverage foundation. The thing I love about it is that 437 00:22:50,260 --> 00:22:53,410 Speaker 1: it's SPF 50 which is really important in Australia, and 438 00:22:53,410 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you don't need to also use 439 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,629 Speaker 1: a sunscreen because you do, because the amount of product 440 00:22:58,630 --> 00:23:00,980 Speaker 1: you're applying... you only need a tiny amount. I use 441 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: one pump 442 00:23:01,670 --> 00:23:02,230 Speaker 1: one pump. 443 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,010 Speaker 1: you use nothing 444 00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: You do not need much. I usually do a few 445 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,939 Speaker 1: pumps of my normal foundation. So what I did when 446 00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:12,550 Speaker 1: I first started using the CC cream was I pumped like 447 00:23:12,550 --> 00:23:15,220 Speaker 1: three pumps on my hand and started putting it on 448 00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:18,650 Speaker 1: my face. And I think I did it in front 449 00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:21,580 Speaker 1: of someone. And they were like, 'What have you done to your face?' I 450 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:22,630 Speaker 1: looked like a clown. 451 00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: You only need one pump. Luckily, I think Mieke said to 452 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: me, you only need a tiny bit so I started with one pump and that's all I needed. 453 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: And I was actually really surprised because I usually use two 454 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:33,669 Speaker 1: or three 455 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: it is the glowy... So I have been getting comments 456 00:23:37,530 --> 00:23:40,190 Speaker 1: every day. What are you wearing? 457 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah I said it to you the other day. 458 00:23:41,770 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: It's really glowy. It's super hydrating. That's what I love about it. 459 00:23:46,450 --> 00:23:48,980 Speaker 1: It looks like really like coverage. So it makes you 460 00:23:48,980 --> 00:23:52,580 Speaker 1: look like you're not wearing much coverage. But you are. Yeah so 461 00:23:54,109 --> 00:23:56,550 Speaker 1: the thing I love about is the SPF 50. But also, 462 00:23:56,550 --> 00:23:57,850 Speaker 1: the glow factor is really good as well. 463 00:23:57,859 --> 00:24:00,869 Speaker 1: you've got to the illuminating one. What's that like? 464 00:24:01,050 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: I haven't tried the original yet. As we record this podcast 465 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,410 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for my shade to come. But the illuminating one 466 00:24:08,410 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: is just a little bit more... It's kind of like you 467 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,860 Speaker 1: can see when you put it on your hand. It's 468 00:24:12,859 --> 00:24:15,140 Speaker 1: just got a little bit of shimmer through it. Whereas 469 00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:16,909 Speaker 1: the original doesn't I believe. 470 00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:20,010 Speaker 1: the original, it doesn't have shimmer, but it is very 471 00:24:20,010 --> 00:24:21,310 Speaker 1: dewy finish. 472 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,410 Speaker 1: Yeah, I liken in it to YSL Eclat all in one glow, 473 00:24:25,420 --> 00:24:28,340 Speaker 1: except more coverage like slightly more. 474 00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:30,820 Speaker 1: so I've got it here. It's the colour correcting full 475 00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:34,179 Speaker 1: coverage cream plus hydrating and anti ageing concealer, so you 476 00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:37,139 Speaker 1: can also use it as a concealer. It's also an 477 00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:39,609 Speaker 1: SPF 50 physical sunscreen. 478 00:24:39,690 --> 00:24:45,580 Speaker 1: That's interesting, I didn't read that part. It's also been created by plastic surgeons and dermatologists, which is 479 00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:46,630 Speaker 1: really interesting. 480 00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:48,939 Speaker 1: So it says here, it can be used as your illuminating 481 00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:53,260 Speaker 1: foundation, anti -ageing concealer, moisturiser and sunscreen. It is like all 482 00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: in one. However, you do have to use sun screen. 483 00:24:57,170 --> 00:24:59,810 Speaker 1: I do use sunscreen under it because you only use one pump. 484 00:24:59,820 --> 00:25:00,129 Speaker 1: Which isn't enough 485 00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:04,430 Speaker 1: it's not enough SPF coverage. It's better than nothing but 486 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: like you should be wearing still your sunscreen underneath. But 487 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,010 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that it has so many amazing reviews, and 488 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:15,550 Speaker 1: people just lose their shit over it, because it is really a beautiful product. So if you 489 00:25:15,550 --> 00:25:18,870 Speaker 1: haven't tried the IT cosmetics CC cream, it's got the tick 490 00:25:18,869 --> 00:25:22,740 Speaker 1: of approval from both from Hannah and I so 491 00:25:22,750 --> 00:25:25,649 Speaker 1: and it's really true. So on the packet, it says 492 00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: your skin... So the product is called your skin, but better. 493 00:25:29,140 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: It is so true, it's your skin, but better. That is true. 494 00:25:32,410 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: So if you don't believe us 495 00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:36,109 Speaker 1: the kind of reviews you'll see about these products are 496 00:25:36,109 --> 00:25:39,010 Speaker 1: about the coverage that it's really natural. It covers like 497 00:25:39,010 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: discoloration like pigmentation and redness. 498 00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:43,820 Speaker 1: Actually, we saw a video. Maybe we'll have a look 499 00:25:43,820 --> 00:25:46,030 Speaker 1: and share that on our stories... of the founder who 500 00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: has all that redness. You haven't seen that video yet. 501 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,730 Speaker 1: I just saw it on their site. Yeah, and also that it's 502 00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:55,510 Speaker 1: great for all ages as well. Lots of people leaving 503 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: these reviews like 55, 63 like it's one of those 504 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,689 Speaker 1: formulas that isn't going to settle into fine lines and 505 00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:04,070 Speaker 1: things like that because it is a really hydrating formula. 506 00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:07,869 Speaker 1: So literally it's for anyone. So what shade are you Hannah? 507 00:26:07,869 --> 00:26:09,250 Speaker 1: I am neutral medium 508 00:26:09,260 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so that one is for medium skin with a 509 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,870 Speaker 1: neutral undertone. I haven't... Maybe I should try that one. 510 00:26:15,869 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: Because I used medium on that has a yellow undertone 511 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: and I'm probably more neutral. I sway between pink and yellow undertones 512 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,890 Speaker 1: I don't think you're medium. I think you would be using light 513 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: I was using medium the other day when I wore it 514 00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:29,260 Speaker 1: with fake tan on? 515 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,659 Speaker 1: Ah, a little bit. 516 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:34,369 Speaker 1: That's pretty dark. Like, that's for me. Although I've got no fake tan on. That's me with no fake tan 517 00:26:35,859 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: So maybe that's me with tan. 518 00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:40,369 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I tend to get, like, a darker foundation 519 00:26:40,369 --> 00:26:42,580 Speaker 1: because I like to match it to my tan cause it's the only time I wear makeup. 520 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:43,449 Speaker 1: exactly 521 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:48,170 Speaker 1: There is quite a few shades. 1 2 3 4... 522 00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: we don't know how many shades we're going to have 523 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: 12. 524 00:26:51,369 --> 00:26:52,010 Speaker 1: 12. 525 00:26:52,580 --> 00:26:54,730 Speaker 1: well I assume we'll have the whole range. If we don't, we'll get it. 526 00:26:54,930 --> 00:27:03,590 Speaker 1: Hope you really enjoyed Joanna counting on the podcast. That's new. We're getting to a point now. We're there... 1 2 3 4 5...We're there aren't we? 527 00:27:06,050 --> 00:27:06,500 Speaker 1: Yep. 528 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:09,250 Speaker 1: So Joanna, I saw this meme last night and I was 529 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:10,909 Speaker 1: going to send it to you and I forgot to. 530 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,700 Speaker 1: So I'm just going to read it out to you now. 531 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: 'I want a girl who's genuine but also a degenerate. 532 00:27:15,369 --> 00:27:18,629 Speaker 1: Like when necessary. She'll speak with heartfelt sincerity, But the 533 00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:21,730 Speaker 1: rest of the time. She's a funny, vulgar, sarcastic asshole'. 534 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: Is that me? 535 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: It's us on the podcast. 536 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,689 Speaker 1: Thanks everyone for joining us today. 537 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,690 Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe and tell your friends it helps 538 00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:36,890 Speaker 1: other people to discover us. And also, we really want 539 00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:39,859 Speaker 1: to know what you thought about this podcast. So if you could leave 540 00:27:39,859 --> 00:27:41,909 Speaker 1: us a review that would be much appreciated.