1 00:00:00,340 --> 00:00:03,290 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to BeautyIQ the podcast. 2 00:00:03,300 --> 00:00:04,270 Speaker 1: I'm your host Joanna Fleming 3 00:00:04,710 --> 00:00:09,430 Speaker 1: and I am your co host Hannah Furst. We're really excited for 4 00:00:09,430 --> 00:00:12,110 Speaker 1: this episode because we've got probably one of our faves guests. 5 00:00:12,450 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: I know we always say that, but this really is 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: one of our fave guests. 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,100 Speaker 1: I think she's probably the most important guest we've ever had. 8 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: I don't actually want to ruin... I don't actually want to 9 00:00:18,730 --> 00:00:19,850 Speaker 1: say who it is, until it gets to her 10 00:00:20,030 --> 00:00:22,970 Speaker 1: Okay. Well, why don't you tell us what's on this 11 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:24,849 Speaker 1: episode without revealing too much? 12 00:00:24,860 --> 00:00:29,460 Speaker 1: So, we are talking about scalp health, in particular, like dandruff 13 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and how to treat it. And why it happens. And then 14 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,900 Speaker 1: we have our very, very special guest 15 00:00:34,890 --> 00:00:36,740 Speaker 1: We may as well say who it is cause its going to be in the episode notes. 16 00:00:36,750 --> 00:00:41,019 Speaker 1: Alright fine. It's Kate, our founder of Adore Beauty, who we 17 00:00:41,020 --> 00:00:43,330 Speaker 1: think that you will really want to hear from. And, 18 00:00:43,330 --> 00:00:44,659 Speaker 1: of course, our products we didn't know we needed. 19 00:00:48,740 --> 00:00:53,350 Speaker 1: So for today's cringey convo, we're talking about scalp health slash dandruff. 20 00:00:53,340 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: I have dealt with this. Why do I deal with 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: everything? Why have I been given all of the bad, like luck in my life? 22 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:05,820 Speaker 1: I have everything; areola hair, flaky scalp, literally. 23 00:01:06,170 --> 00:01:06,850 Speaker 1: I mean look, people have worse lives than you to be honest 24 00:01:07,970 --> 00:01:13,020 Speaker 1: That's actually true. Can you not bring attention to that please? People are 25 00:01:13,110 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: going to now troll me and be like 'I can't believe your life is...' 26 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:25,970 Speaker 1: It's fine. We know that you deal with a lot Hannah. And you're very open with sharing. We all appreciate. And you have been experiencing 27 00:01:25,970 --> 00:01:27,130 Speaker 1: dandruff recently 28 00:01:27,140 --> 00:01:30,670 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's dandruff or... because it's not itchy. 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,140 Speaker 1: This is the difference. I have had dandruff in my 30 00:01:33,140 --> 00:01:35,110 Speaker 1: youth and I think we've all had it at one 31 00:01:35,110 --> 00:01:38,070 Speaker 1: point in our lives. And what I...what really, I've always 32 00:01:38,069 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: hated about it when I was younger was you have 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: to go to the supermarket and you have to secretly 34 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,830 Speaker 1: get like, the medicated shampoo. It's like when you buy... 35 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: when you were younger and you bought pads and you'd like, 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,510 Speaker 1: hide them underneath everything else at the super market 37 00:01:49,510 --> 00:01:49,660 Speaker 2: Yeah 38 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:52,660 Speaker 2: I don't know why I used to do that. 39 00:01:52,670 --> 00:01:54,700 Speaker 2: But you know what that medicated shampoo does as well, it strips 40 00:01:55,170 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: your colour. 41 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:56,030 Speaker 2: Yes 42 00:01:56,030 --> 00:01:59,230 Speaker 2: and it's strips all the moisture out of your hair. So you end up with like, 43 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,750 Speaker 2: really dry kind of like... 44 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,340 Speaker 2: So... yeah. So I have had dandruff before and that is... 45 00:02:04,350 --> 00:02:06,350 Speaker 2: it's really... you really know you have it because your 46 00:02:06,340 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: is your scalp is so itchy. 47 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:08,139 Speaker 2: Yeah 48 00:02:08,150 --> 00:02:09,739 Speaker 2: you have a really really... Have you had this? 49 00:02:09,740 --> 00:02:11,489 Speaker 2: Mine doesn't really get itchy, like I've had flakiness before 50 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: you probably haven't had dandruff before. 51 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 2: No but I've had flakiness 52 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:18,660 Speaker 2: Right. But well the itchiness is probably... that that's what's so... That's what 53 00:02:18,660 --> 00:02:21,980 Speaker 2: I hate about dandruff. But I haven't actually had dandruff 54 00:02:21,990 --> 00:02:23,579 Speaker 2: in the last few years. It's more of a flaky 55 00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:26,090 Speaker 2: scalp. And the one thing that I learned from starting at Adore, 56 00:02:26,389 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: was that your scalp, which I never really thought off, is 57 00:02:29,010 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: like a skin. 58 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:30,700 Speaker 2: It is your skin. 59 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:33,430 Speaker 2: And so, just like we've talked about every other area 60 00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: of your body where you get buildup of product or 61 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,060 Speaker 2: sweat or dead skin cells, it's exactly the same on 62 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: your scalp. 63 00:02:41,730 --> 00:02:44,570 Speaker 2: Yeah. But you'll see, like a lot of shampoos and conditioners 64 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:47,429 Speaker 2: are designed for the hair and not really for the scalp. 65 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:47,669 Speaker 2: Yes. 66 00:02:47,669 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: But you were using the sea salt scrub, which I think you 67 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,140 Speaker 2: did as a product I didn't know I needed. 68 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,140 Speaker 2: Yes, I did that as a product that I didn't 69 00:02:52,139 --> 00:02:54,450 Speaker 2: know I needed. So that is a sea salt scrub. 70 00:02:54,460 --> 00:02:58,820 Speaker 2: As you know, it tastes like salt. That is really, 71 00:02:58,820 --> 00:03:02,220 Speaker 2: really good. So I don't use... It is a tiny little 72 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:06,970 Speaker 2: bit drying and I already have dry hair. So for me, 73 00:03:06,970 --> 00:03:09,150 Speaker 2: I don't use it every day. Probably a once a 74 00:03:09,150 --> 00:03:13,970 Speaker 2: week thing, just like I do a chemical exfoliation twice 75 00:03:13,970 --> 00:03:16,750 Speaker 2: a week. It's really similar. But I have discovered a 76 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:21,470 Speaker 2: new shampoo and conditioner and serum for dandruff that is 77 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,109 Speaker 2: bougie and beautiful 78 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: It actually is the most stunning packaging I've ever seen in 79 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,970 Speaker 2: my life. I actually just want to buy it, I don't even have dandruff, 80 00:03:28,980 --> 00:03:30,269 Speaker 2: but I just want to buy it so that it's 81 00:03:30,270 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: in my shower. So that would be the Oribe Serene Scalp . 82 00:03:34,690 --> 00:03:38,250 Speaker 2: Yes. And also you don't have to like... it looks 83 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: nice in your bathrooms. It's not like it doesn't scream 84 00:03:40,850 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: "I have dandruff!" 85 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:43,970 Speaker 1: It's like these pastel pink colour 86 00:03:44,820 --> 00:03:45,570 Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's also the name; Serene Scalp 87 00:03:45,570 --> 00:03:46,170 Speaker 1: 'your scalp will be serene...' 88 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,970 Speaker 1: Not 'anti-dandruff shampoo' 89 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:55,010 Speaker 1: Why don't we cover of what actually causes a flaky 90 00:03:55,010 --> 00:03:58,610 Speaker 1: scalp first, if you are experiencing this and you're listening to 91 00:03:58,610 --> 00:04:01,180 Speaker 1: the podcast. So it could be caused by a lot 92 00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: of things. So irritation, for example, which I think was 93 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,860 Speaker 1: your issue Hannah; is that you went through a lot of colouring, and 94 00:04:09,050 --> 00:04:12,850 Speaker 1: probably those chemicals on your scalp caused a lot of irritation, then also 95 00:04:12,850 --> 00:04:17,859 Speaker 1: people that experience psoriasis and eczema will often get psoriasis on the scalp as well, 96 00:04:17,860 --> 00:04:20,909 Speaker 1: and that can cause flakiness. Then, if you've ever had, 97 00:04:20,910 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: like a sun... have you had a sunburn on your part? 98 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god 99 00:04:25,410 --> 00:04:26,370 Speaker 1: That is the worst 100 00:04:26,390 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: Awful. 101 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: I've had that so many times... 102 00:04:28,010 --> 00:04:30,340 Speaker 1: Can you put sunscreen or just wear a hat? 103 00:04:30,490 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: Well you're meant to wear sunscreen in your part, but obviously it makes your hair a bit gross. 104 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,909 Speaker 1: But I mean, if you don't want to have a 105 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: flaky scalp for three weeks afterwards. And then just drying; a sensitivity 106 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,610 Speaker 1: to products. And also something that people don't realise they're doing is 107 00:04:45,610 --> 00:04:48,950 Speaker 1: not washing out products properly. So they're not rinsing their 108 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:52,450 Speaker 1: hair well enough when they wash their hair. Or they're not 109 00:04:52,450 --> 00:04:54,630 Speaker 1: removing the buildup of styling products. 110 00:04:54,630 --> 00:04:57,090 Speaker 1: Do you think that's because, I didn't know this until 111 00:04:57,089 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: probably starting in Adore you really need...you know when you 112 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,030 Speaker 1: go to the hairdresser, and the hairdresser's gives your scalp a really, 113 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,750 Speaker 1: really good scrub. I wasn't doing that. I do that now. 114 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,500 Speaker 1: I shampoo twice and I give my scalp a really, really nice massage. 115 00:05:09,870 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: especially if you use a lot of styling products. 116 00:05:13,870 --> 00:05:14,540 Speaker 1: or dry shampoo 117 00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:17,650 Speaker 1: Yeah dry shampoo is a killer. So you really need to make sure you're washing 118 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:20,270 Speaker 1: that out properly. Give yourself a really good scalp massage. 119 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,610 Speaker 1: That also stimulates the scalp as well to grow healthier hair 120 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I would highly recommend that Christoph Robin Purifying Scrub 121 00:05:29,650 --> 00:05:33,650 Speaker 1: for once a week. Like do your Sunday routine and give your scalp a good scrub 122 00:05:34,380 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: and how do you use the serene scalp stuff because they've got like, 123 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,470 Speaker 1: a little serum, but they've also got a shampoo and conditioner. 124 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:42,070 Speaker 1: So I got that for a period where I was... I 125 00:05:42,070 --> 00:05:44,310 Speaker 1: went to the hairdresser and she's like, 'you're really...' I 126 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:46,710 Speaker 1: had gone through quite a lot of colour. My scalp 127 00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: was really flaky. It was like I was noticing it 128 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,140 Speaker 1: and it was really... I was like going to meetings 129 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: and like having to like, dust off my scalp. 130 00:05:53,430 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: I never noticed it 131 00:05:54,610 --> 00:05:57,409 Speaker 1: Really? Oh well probably because I was dusting it off. I did it in the lift 132 00:05:57,410 --> 00:06:01,910 Speaker 1: on the way to work. And look really closely at my scalp. Anyway, so I then 133 00:06:01,910 --> 00:06:04,750 Speaker 1: started using the Serene Scalp to try to get that under control. 134 00:06:04,750 --> 00:06:09,620 Speaker 1: So it's a shampoo and conditioner. And then there's also a serum 135 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:12,230 Speaker 1: that it comes with. And so it's really soothing. 136 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: which is a leave on treatment. 137 00:06:14,180 --> 00:06:16,020 Speaker 1: So the thing with this is you really got to 138 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:18,929 Speaker 1: get into the scalp. You've really got to like, massage the scalp 139 00:06:18,930 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: with the product. 140 00:06:19,490 --> 00:06:22,349 Speaker 1: I find the leave on thing interesting because that's got 141 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,589 Speaker 1: mint and chamomile in it. So it, like soothes it straight away 142 00:06:26,589 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: Very soothing. It feels soothing as soon as you put it on. 143 00:06:29,810 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: So if you're irritated and itchy, that would be really nice. 144 00:06:33,410 --> 00:06:36,609 Speaker 1: I do want to say it's very expensive. Like, the shampoo is $68 145 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:43,460 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say the price point is... yeah, it's not 146 00:06:43,460 --> 00:06:47,690 Speaker 1: super affordable. That's why I think that if you're wanting 147 00:06:47,690 --> 00:06:50,050 Speaker 1: to go for something a little bit less expensive, I 148 00:06:50,050 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: think the Christoph Robins , still probably expensive. But you only I'll 149 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,940 Speaker 1: use that once a week. And it's a really good 150 00:06:54,940 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: scrub that you can... 151 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:57,270 Speaker 1: It lasts ages as well. 152 00:06:58,990 --> 00:07:01,210 Speaker 1: Oh my God. You do not need much. You just 153 00:07:01,210 --> 00:07:03,460 Speaker 1: need a little scoop and it lathers beautifully. 154 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,850 Speaker 1: And you emulisy with water. Yeah. But if you're a bougie bitch like us. 155 00:07:06,850 --> 00:07:07,150 Speaker 1: Yeah! 156 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,780 Speaker 1: Get on the Oribe Serene Scalp because it looks so nice in your shower. 157 00:07:12,790 --> 00:07:15,020 Speaker 1: Not that we buy products because they look nice 158 00:07:23,740 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: I do. 159 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: Well I kind of do to. 160 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:24,390 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. 161 00:07:24,390 --> 00:07:27,630 Speaker 1: I would say that this is probably our most important guest of all time. 162 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,790 Speaker 1: It is Kate Morris, our founder of Adore Beauty, who's 163 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:32,790 Speaker 1: coming to have a chat today. 164 00:07:32,830 --> 00:07:34,140 Speaker 2: I'm so nervous. This is so funny, I do podcasts all the time! 165 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:37,410 Speaker 2: You've been on every other podcast in Australia. 166 00:07:37,420 --> 00:07:39,890 Speaker 2: Wll this is funny. It's like, 'Hey, wait a minute. This is 167 00:07:39,890 --> 00:07:40,510 Speaker 2: my business. And I don't get to be on until like episode...what episode are we up to? episode 8?' 168 00:07:40,540 --> 00:07:41,090 Speaker 2: Sorry about that. She's been busy 169 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,110 Speaker 2: I'm glad that you invited me on. 170 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:51,700 Speaker 1: We just wanted to make sure it was going well before we wasted your time 171 00:07:53,770 --> 00:07:54,260 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly true. 172 00:07:54,810 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. 173 00:07:55,490 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: So what our customers and listeners might find interesting is, 174 00:07:59,610 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: why did you actually start Adore Beauty all these years ago. It's 175 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: nearly 20 years. 176 00:08:04,490 --> 00:08:08,820 Speaker 2: I know, God. That's so... it makes me ancient, doesn't it? Look, you 177 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:11,770 Speaker 2: know what? I was a beauty junkie since for ever, 178 00:08:11,770 --> 00:08:14,250 Speaker 2: like since I was 13 and I used to like, 179 00:08:14,310 --> 00:08:17,230 Speaker 2: pinch all my mom's Estee Lauder stuff out of the bathroom. 180 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:19,950 Speaker 2: And here's me saving up all my pocket money because 181 00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:24,070 Speaker 2: it was like Clinique gift with purchase time. Like major 182 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,510 Speaker 2: sort of beauty nerd. And I think what I always 183 00:08:26,510 --> 00:08:30,550 Speaker 2: loved about because I was a huge dork at school. 184 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,329 Speaker 2: And I think once I discovered beauty, for me, it 185 00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:37,690 Speaker 2: was like, 'Oh, I get to be a different person 186 00:08:37,690 --> 00:08:39,730 Speaker 2: when I put these on' like I can, you know, 187 00:08:39,740 --> 00:08:43,189 Speaker 2: kind of be the fabulous self that I feel like 188 00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:45,630 Speaker 2: on the inside. And that was really what I always 189 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:50,010 Speaker 2: loved about it. And, you know, fast forward a few 190 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:54,020 Speaker 2: years and my uni job was working on the Clarins counter, 191 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,650 Speaker 2: which I loved, like so much fun. But it really 192 00:08:58,650 --> 00:09:02,189 Speaker 2: struck me how you know... when I explained to people 193 00:09:02,190 --> 00:09:04,250 Speaker 2: what I was doing for my part time job, everyone would 194 00:09:04,260 --> 00:09:07,300 Speaker 2: just kind of like, pull this face and go 'God, 195 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:10,090 Speaker 2: I hate going in there, it's the worst, all the the women are so scary'... 196 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: and it's the only place you can go 197 00:09:12,070 --> 00:09:15,420 Speaker 2: and it was the only place that you could go. And they're like... People 198 00:09:15,420 --> 00:09:17,010 Speaker 2: would tell me these stories and be like, 'Oh, yeah, I 199 00:09:17,010 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: went in there and the woman was like, really aggressive. 200 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: And she sold me $250 worth of stuff and I 201 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: came home and cried and made my boyfriend go and return it'. And 202 00:09:23,410 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: just like that, you know... like it's supposed to make 203 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,330 Speaker 2: you feel fabulous and confident and like a million bucks 204 00:09:32,330 --> 00:09:34,850 Speaker 2: when you walk out the door every morning. And if 205 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:38,110 Speaker 2: the shopping experience is so intimidating and so awful for 206 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:41,340 Speaker 2: people that it's making them feel worse about themselves, then I thought, 207 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:43,050 Speaker 2: well that doesn't make any sense. 208 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: I've been there. When you go in and you're like... you feel so nervous about 209 00:09:47,809 --> 00:09:49,510 Speaker 2: it because they're trying to sell you stuff that's so expensive, 210 00:09:49,510 --> 00:09:50,530 Speaker 2: you don't really want it, you don't know what to say 211 00:09:50,530 --> 00:09:56,220 Speaker 2: You don't know what t o say, and you don't have all the information either. And you know, they're telling you this thing and you're like, 212 00:09:56,390 --> 00:10:01,170 Speaker 2: 'I don't know if that's right but okay, uhh...' This was sort 213 00:10:01,170 --> 00:10:03,060 Speaker 2: of like just in the really, really early days of 214 00:10:03,059 --> 00:10:07,390 Speaker 2: online shopping, and I was 'uh!'. This is me as a 21 year old student with 215 00:10:07,390 --> 00:10:10,010 Speaker 2: no idea about anything. I was like, 'oh someone needs to do this for 216 00:10:10,010 --> 00:10:12,660 Speaker 2: beauty because people would love that'. You know, if you 217 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: could actually go on and like, look at all the 218 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,589 Speaker 2: information and read reviews by other people and, you know, be 219 00:10:18,590 --> 00:10:21,209 Speaker 2: able to kind of mix and match brands without telling 220 00:10:21,210 --> 00:10:25,390 Speaker 2: you off...anyone telling you off for doing it. I thought, you know, someone's 221 00:10:25,390 --> 00:10:26,690 Speaker 2: going to do that, that's going to be great. And 222 00:10:26,690 --> 00:10:29,390 Speaker 2: then I kind of, you know, waited and thought about 223 00:10:29,390 --> 00:10:31,620 Speaker 2: it for a few months and talked about it. I think 224 00:10:31,620 --> 00:10:34,490 Speaker 2: I bored all of my friends sick with talking about it. 225 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: And in the end, my boyfriend and I were driving 226 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,100 Speaker 2: across the West Gate Bridge because he lived at the 227 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:43,110 Speaker 2: opposite side of town to me and he said, sort of 228 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: looked at each other and he said 'Look, you know, are you going 229 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,870 Speaker 2: to do this or what?', and I went 'oh'. And it was literally not until 230 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:51,429 Speaker 2: that moment that I'd ever thought of starting a business 231 00:10:51,429 --> 00:10:53,450 Speaker 2: as a career path. I could never... I thought that 232 00:10:53,450 --> 00:10:54,469 Speaker 2: was something other people did. 233 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:54,890 Speaker 2: Yeah 234 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,990 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's pretty amazing that at 21 you had the insight to be like, ' 235 00:10:59,230 --> 00:11:01,580 Speaker 1: this is a major opportunity, and I'm going to do it'. Like, 236 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: when I was 21 I can't imagine doing that. 237 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,699 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think, 20 years ago what online shops 238 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:07,210 Speaker 1: were there? 239 00:11:07,340 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: Well, there was like there was very early Amazon. There 240 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,829 Speaker 2: was not much in Australia. There was like, Wish List and D Store 241 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:19,420 Speaker 2: I don't know any of these 242 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,230 Speaker 2: I know, it was like, it was really really really early. So there wasn't, I mean, there wasn't anything in beauty, 243 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: like nothing at all. 244 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:27,650 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting, back then you were like ... because 245 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:31,780 Speaker 1: I know you had forums really early, in the early days, as well. Definately at 246 00:11:31,780 --> 00:11:34,900 Speaker 1: the forefront of what we do. 247 00:11:34,910 --> 00:11:37,430 Speaker 1: The social era of people sharing 248 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:41,500 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually letting people talk to each other. And I got to tell you like, this 249 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:46,590 Speaker 2: was terrifying for the beauty industry. Like, my biggest challenge in 250 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:48,950 Speaker 2: the early years, and look still now a bit to be honest, 251 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,750 Speaker 2: is trying to convince beauty brands that 'Look, if you 252 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: let people talk to each other about your products, nothing 253 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,059 Speaker 2: bad will happen. And that that's actually a good thing and you should use that'. 254 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:02,270 Speaker 2: But for the industry, I mean, here was me rocking up as 255 00:12:02,370 --> 00:12:05,190 Speaker 2: a 21 year old student with no business experience going 'Hey, 256 00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:07,949 Speaker 2: can I completely disrupt the way that you do business? It 257 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:08,500 Speaker 2: will be fun, I promise'. 258 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:09,770 Speaker 2: Yep. 259 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:12,870 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, that was slow going at the start. 260 00:12:13,130 --> 00:12:16,790 Speaker 2: At what point do you think that you realised... cause 261 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:19,489 Speaker 2: I didn't really shop online until the last few years. 262 00:12:19,490 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: At what point do you think women were like 'No, this is 263 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,650 Speaker 2: how I shop now'. 264 00:12:23,340 --> 00:12:27,790 Speaker 2: Oh, look like, now ish... 265 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:31,450 Speaker 1: Adore was even small when I started almost four years ago, and it wasn't really... 266 00:12:31,450 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: people weren't really doing the online beauty thing even then. 267 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:39,190 Speaker 2: No...look, and I think it kind of started like, you know, 268 00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: it was sort of... was it like 2011, 2012 or something 269 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,540 Speaker 2: when like the Australian dollar went up to parody, and 270 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:48,340 Speaker 2: all of a sudden everything was like, stupid expensive compared 271 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:50,589 Speaker 2: to everybody else. And I think that it was a 272 00:12:50,590 --> 00:12:56,850 Speaker 2: price thing originally when people started shopping online. But, you know, 273 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: the good thing about that is that it helped everybody 274 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,069 Speaker 2: to sort of discover that actually, you know, there are other places 275 00:13:04,070 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: you can go. There are other ways that you can 276 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,349 Speaker 2: do this, aside from having to go into a department store 277 00:13:08,350 --> 00:13:08,770 Speaker 2: and be... 278 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:10,300 Speaker 1: and be almost blind 279 00:13:10,309 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: Right, exactly. 280 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:14,710 Speaker 1: I know like, my sister who had never shopped for beauty online, 281 00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:17,550 Speaker 1: she now does on Adore to read. If she wants something, she'll 282 00:13:17,650 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: go on...her first thing is to read all the reviews, 283 00:13:20,650 --> 00:13:22,890 Speaker 1: and she's like 'It's a game changer'. That's been a game 284 00:13:22,890 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: changer for shopping for her because she's like, these people 285 00:13:25,490 --> 00:13:27,459 Speaker 1: actually have used the product 286 00:13:27,630 --> 00:13:28,900 Speaker 2: Have used the product, yes. I know, revolutionary. 287 00:13:28,950 --> 00:13:31,730 Speaker 2: Yes, it's amazing. 288 00:13:32,110 --> 00:13:34,140 Speaker 1: Well a couple of people have asked me before like 'Is the next step 289 00:13:34,140 --> 00:13:36,860 Speaker 1: for Adore Beauty going to be a bricks and mortar store' Like, 290 00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:39,970 Speaker 1: that's a question that I get a fair bit. Why 291 00:13:39,970 --> 00:13:41,830 Speaker 1: is it that you don't want to do bricks and mortar? 292 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:44,540 Speaker 2: Oh, look, I just think with online I mean, there's 293 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:48,230 Speaker 2: so much more that we can do. I mean, in 294 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:50,380 Speaker 2: a bricks and mortar store, I think you're still really 295 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: limited to the knowledge of, just that one person who's 296 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 2: serving you. Whereas online, you've got all of the thousands 297 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,110 Speaker 2: of people who have tried this product before. And I mean, 298 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: what we're doing at the moment in terms of the, you know, 299 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,670 Speaker 2: the personalisation that we're developing for the site, I mean, 300 00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:11,939 Speaker 2: you're talking about taking the preferences of the millions of 301 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:14,650 Speaker 2: people who visit our site every month, and you know, what 302 00:14:14,650 --> 00:14:16,470 Speaker 2: things do they like? And what things do they buy? 303 00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:17,150 Speaker 2: I mean, you can't do that in a store, it's really hard, it's actually a bit restricted, weirdly. 304 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have all the information in front of 305 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: you as well. You can see what ingredients are in things. 306 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,660 Speaker 1: Like I always find... 307 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:27,940 Speaker 1: For you, an ingredient nerd. 308 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,250 Speaker 1: I always read the ingredients 309 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: 100% me too. And that was the thing, like 19 years ago, that was the first thing. I'm like, 310 00:14:34,210 --> 00:14:37,100 Speaker 2: because I was looking at beauty sites overseas. And I was like 'why 311 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,420 Speaker 2: do they not have the ingredients on here?' 312 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 313 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,790 Speaker 2: People need to know what's in stuff. That was one of the 314 00:14:41,790 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: big frustrations for me in the early days, is that 315 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:47,490 Speaker 2: no one was giving anybody any education about ingredients. No 316 00:14:47,490 --> 00:14:50,390 Speaker 2: one was explaining to anybody how things actually worked. It 317 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:53,290 Speaker 2: was all just this kind of marketing bullshit, you know? 318 00:14:54,050 --> 00:14:56,420 Speaker 1: Yeah. And trying to cut through that online is still a challenge 319 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:59,370 Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. It's still hard . 320 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,420 Speaker 2: So you've been working in the beauty industry for 20 321 00:15:02,420 --> 00:15:04,460 Speaker 2: years now, or longer because you were on the Clarins counter 322 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:07,260 Speaker 2: Well longer because I was on the Clarins counter. And then before that, 323 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:09,210 Speaker 2: from the time I was 15 I used to work 324 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:11,910 Speaker 2: after school in the chemist and used to beg them 325 00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:15,450 Speaker 2: to let me work in the beauty area and like, dust the Revlon stand. 326 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,500 Speaker 1: I love that little photo of you where you've got the crimped hair, and you've done your makeup. I think you were going to a disco or something 327 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,580 Speaker 2: Oh, yes. 328 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:23,810 Speaker 2: I love that photo. 329 00:15:23,810 --> 00:15:24,119 Speaker 2: That's the one from grade 6, it's 1989. 330 00:15:25,810 --> 00:15:28,220 Speaker 2: Maybe we should share that on our instagram. 331 00:15:29,540 --> 00:15:29,730 Speaker 2: We're going to share that. We'll have to find it and share it. 332 00:15:29,730 --> 00:15:29,910 Speaker 2: Oh you must. It's a cracker. 333 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:30,020 Speaker 2: It's so cute. 334 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: So you've worked in the beauty industry for a long time, you must have things that you 335 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,870 Speaker 1: love about it, and then you also must have frustrations about it as well. 336 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:44,860 Speaker 2: Yeah look, for sure. I mean, yeah, the things that 337 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:50,170 Speaker 2: frustrate me still are things like, you know, just these really 338 00:15:50,180 --> 00:15:54,900 Speaker 2: stupid airbrushed ads that are like, fake. 339 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:56,980 Speaker 2: Like foundation ads where it's like, 'um that's airbrushed' 340 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:00,180 Speaker 2: She doesn't even have any pores! It's not even anybody's skin. Mascara ads are the worst for it. 341 00:16:01,470 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 342 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:01,979 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no way... 343 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:02,230 Speaker 2: That's false lashes 344 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:10,020 Speaker 2: That's false lashes! And then photoshop on top of that. It's like, I don't understand why you 345 00:16:10,020 --> 00:16:13,420 Speaker 2: have to do that like, it's actually just lies. Why would you do that? I 346 00:16:13,420 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: would much rather see- Okay, here's the person before mascara and 347 00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: after mascara. 348 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:17,510 Speaker 2: Yep. Sold. 349 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,570 Speaker 2: Show me what it actually does. Like, why should that be so revolutionary? I don't get it 350 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:24,420 Speaker 2: Yeah 351 00:16:24,430 --> 00:16:30,580 Speaker 2: So that's a bit frustrating. I think the whole idea that, 352 00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:32,430 Speaker 2: you know that's kind of, put out there a bit, 353 00:16:32,430 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: that beauty should be effortless. And when you have these 354 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,619 Speaker 2: beauty icons and they're like, 'Oh, what do your beauty secrets?' 355 00:16:39,690 --> 00:16:42,660 Speaker 2: they don't go 'well, I get laser and botox and filler 356 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:44,270 Speaker 2: and all this sort of stuff'. They're like 'I drink eight 357 00:16:44,270 --> 00:16:47,610 Speaker 2: glasses off water a day...' 358 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:51,990 Speaker 2: Oh I hate that. 359 00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:52,060 Speaker 2: 'I do yoga' 360 00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:52,260 Speaker 2: I'm like, what rubbish. 361 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:53,940 Speaker 2: 'and rub my crystals'. No shade to crystals, I love my crystals. 362 00:16:53,950 --> 00:16:59,130 Speaker 2: It's just... it's... I don't know why we... why anybody 363 00:16:59,140 --> 00:17:03,020 Speaker 2: tries to perpetuate that sort of, looking a certain way that, 364 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: you know, in that sort of luminous way that celebrities 365 00:17:05,250 --> 00:17:07,210 Speaker 2: do, and it's a lot of hard work.  366 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:11,380 Speaker 1: I think what annoys me sometimes it's like, you're not allowed to not 367 00:17:11,390 --> 00:17:15,710 Speaker 1: be okay with ageing. I'm like, I don't feel 100% 368 00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:17,949 Speaker 1: comfortable with it yet. Isn't that okay? 369 00:17:17,950 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: Yep that's it. 370 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: Like working towards it but I'm not there yet 371 00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:21,310 Speaker 1: Same. Oh yes. 372 00:17:21,450 --> 00:17:27,060 Speaker 1: It's like, you see your face changing. Like, it is kind of a scary process. 373 00:17:27,060 --> 00:17:29,070 Speaker 2: It really is. It really is. And look, I mean, 374 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 2: I speak as someone who, you know, 10 years ago was like, 375 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,550 Speaker 2: 'I would never get botox' and now I totally do 376 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:35,250 Speaker 2: Love it. Love it. 377 00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: And, but why doesn't anybody talk about that? 378 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 379 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,629 Speaker 2: It's like, can we not just ... 380 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,230 Speaker 2: we're talking about 381 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: And you know, that's what I love about Adore and what we're trying to do 382 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,220 Speaker 2: here is like, can we at least talk about that 383 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:51,610 Speaker 2: stuff and even talk about the fact that, well, you know, 384 00:17:51,609 --> 00:17:53,730 Speaker 2: we do it, but we would love to be so 385 00:17:53,730 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: self actualised that we can sort of, you know, age 386 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: gracefully and be cool with it, but we're not quite there yet 387 00:17:58,890 --> 00:18:02,410 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Hannah's allowed to say that she's got a problem with 388 00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:04,450 Speaker 1: it and no one's going to troll her for it. 389 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:06,350 Speaker 2: Yeah. 390 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: 100%. I went into laser place that I've been going to, to you know, sort of get some pigmentation broken 391 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,430 Speaker 2: up and I mentioned to the nurse I said, 'oh look, you know, 392 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,619 Speaker 2: I feel like my jaw line's kind of starting to drop 393 00:18:17,619 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: a bit. Is there anything we can do about that?' 394 00:18:19,290 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: She was like, 'Well, you need to go and get 395 00:18:21,090 --> 00:18:22,740 Speaker 2: this and you need to get as much done as you 396 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: can before menopause because after that, it all goes to custard. And I'm like, 'menopause...custard...what?!' 397 00:18:26,490 --> 00:18:34,990 Speaker 2: Oh that's terrifying 398 00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: Oh God!. And you know, this is what happens when you're in your forties, I'm just like wow this is brutal. 399 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:42,530 Speaker 1: It's really like, I feel now.... I'm 30 so there's like that change 400 00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:45,169 Speaker 1: and you're like, Oh, I'm starting to notice things, particularly 401 00:18:45,170 --> 00:18:47,850 Speaker 1: around eyes. But then I see my mum, who's gone 402 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:50,490 Speaker 1: through it all, she's almost 60 and she's like, still looks 403 00:18:50,490 --> 00:18:52,860 Speaker 1: good but is kind of cool with it now. That's like, 404 00:18:52,859 --> 00:18:54,150 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a process. 405 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,770 Speaker 2: I think so. I think so. And it's something that, you know, 406 00:18:57,780 --> 00:19:01,070 Speaker 2: I sort of struggle with because I also to... I mean, 407 00:19:01,070 --> 00:19:04,140 Speaker 2: even just sort of like from a feminist perspective, see the 408 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: way that women are valued for beauty, whereas men are valued 409 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: for their success and accomplishments and wealth and whatever, and 410 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: so it kind of gets better for them as they get older. 411 00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:19,149 Speaker 2: Whereas for us, it's sort of like goes downhill. And, you know, I 412 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: see all that. I understand all of that. But still, 413 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,250 Speaker 2: I'm worried about my jaw line going custard. 414 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:28,050 Speaker 1: I think that's like..Is that sort of, do you think with that feminist perspective, 415 00:19:28,050 --> 00:19:28,670 Speaker 1: it's like hard to sort of... 416 00:19:32,050 --> 00:19:32,670 Speaker 1: to resolve those things 417 00:19:32,670 --> 00:19:35,970 Speaker 1: Yeah, to resolve those two things together? Is it okay to be both well, 418 00:19:35,980 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: to care about the way that you look, but to also... 419 00:19:38,570 --> 00:19:40,890 Speaker 2: I think it is. And I don't... you know, one 420 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: of the things I don't like is people assuming that 421 00:19:44,130 --> 00:19:47,020 Speaker 2: your superficial because you blow dry your hair. It's like, well 422 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: it makes me feel good and whose business is that? 423 00:19:49,330 --> 00:19:49,830 Speaker 2: even superficial for getting botox. If I like that way I look, why is it your problem.  424 00:19:55,420 --> 00:19:58,830 Speaker 2: Why is it anybody else's business? And that's kind of one of my big things 425 00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:00,609 Speaker 2: about beauty and I guess, one of the values that 426 00:20:00,609 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: I've tried to bring through in Adore. Like, sometimes people say 427 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,650 Speaker 2: to me 'I don't wear eye shadow, do you think 428 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 2: I should?' I'm like 'well, not if you don't want to' 429 00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 430 00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:12,580 Speaker 2: Do what you want. Do what makes you happy. And wear no make up at all, honestly. 431 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: I would never, ever, ever say to anybody 'you should 432 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,270 Speaker 2: be wearing concealer', cause it's like, you know what...just do what makes you happy 433 00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: If you walk into the Adore Beauty office, a lot of us don't wear makeup to work 434 00:20:19,609 --> 00:20:25,100 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one of the biggest things to me... my misconception, 435 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:27,590 Speaker 1: when I started working the beauty industry was like, 'I'm 436 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:29,580 Speaker 1: going to have to wear make up every day'. It's 437 00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:30,290 Speaker 1: been the opposite 438 00:20:30,369 --> 00:20:31,010 Speaker 1: quite the opposite. I think I said to you... 439 00:20:32,609 --> 00:20:34,210 Speaker 1: Joanna's like, 'stop wearing makeup to work' and I was like, okay. 440 00:20:36,990 --> 00:20:40,180 Speaker 2: And that's what I'm really happy about is that everybody feels comfortable enough 441 00:20:40,180 --> 00:20:42,909 Speaker 2: in themselves to do what makes you happy on a given day. 442 00:20:42,910 --> 00:20:45,430 Speaker 2: And if it's, you know, sometimes I feel those days where it's like, 443 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,369 Speaker 2: 'I don't think I've got quite enough in me today. It's 444 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,890 Speaker 2: gonna have to be a red lipstick day today'. Sometimes you just 445 00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:53,649 Speaker 2: need that extra thing to give you a lift. And 446 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:55,490 Speaker 2: then other days, you're like, you know what 'I think 447 00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:57,250 Speaker 2: I just chuck a bit of mascara on and I'm good' 448 00:20:57,260 --> 00:20:59,730 Speaker 1: and I really enjoy doing my makeup. So I like 449 00:20:59,740 --> 00:21:01,540 Speaker 1: to spend my time doing my makeup. So if I don't have time to do, I don't want to waste time doing a shit job. 450 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:08,780 Speaker 2: No, I don't think beauty should ever be a thing that you have to 451 00:21:08,780 --> 00:21:12,020 Speaker 2: do. Apart from sunscreen, which is like, that's my only thing 452 00:21:12,030 --> 00:21:13,550 Speaker 1: Every guest has said that and we're like, 'Preach' 453 00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:22,750 Speaker 2: So yes, that's what...when anybody says, you know, 'what's the beauty thing that you have to do?' That's really the only one thing 454 00:21:22,750 --> 00:21:25,260 Speaker 2: that you have to do. Everything else, do what you want. 455 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:26,550 Speaker 2: Are you one of those people... because I know when you go 456 00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:29,139 Speaker 2: to events, you spend hours, and you've written about it 457 00:21:29,140 --> 00:21:31,869 Speaker 2: on Instagram like, 'this took five seconds', but you're like 'no this 458 00:21:31,869 --> 00:21:33,379 Speaker 2: actually took like, five hours' 459 00:21:33,390 --> 00:21:33,830 Speaker 2: hours 460 00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:35,020 Speaker 2: Do you enjoy it? 461 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:39,419 Speaker 1: Sometimes. I sometimes don't when it's...when you're in a rush and 462 00:21:39,420 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: you've got other things you'd rather be doing. But you 463 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,220 Speaker 1: have to sit there and you know the make up chair. 464 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:48,820 Speaker 1: And there's obviously... there's certain expectations as the CEO of a 465 00:21:48,820 --> 00:21:53,330 Speaker 1: beauty company, you know, how you should look, which, you know, sort of 466 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:56,370 Speaker 1: chase against me sometimes. Particularly when I see the founders of, you know... 467 00:21:57,220 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: male founders of startups and they just rock up. They barely 468 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,790 Speaker 1: even brush their hair and their wearing some grotty hoodie with you know, their company 469 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: branding on the front. And that's perfectly fine. I'm like, 'well I 470 00:22:07,170 --> 00:22:07,900 Speaker 1: can't do that' 471 00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:08,530 Speaker 1: I mean you could 472 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:13,580 Speaker 2: I could 473 00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:13,689 Speaker 2: Make a statement, Kate 474 00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:18,010 Speaker 2: Right. I think people would just be like, 'Oh my god, are you okay? are you sick?' Actually, my mother in law does that sometimes 475 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:20,410 Speaker 2: if I ever go to her place on the weekends, and 476 00:22:20,410 --> 00:22:21,650 Speaker 2: I don't put makeup on. She's like 'oh Kate you look so tired' 477 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:23,690 Speaker 2: oh no 478 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm like 'no that's just my face' 479 00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: I think the thing with make up as well, and I think you 480 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: two will probably agree with me, is that I don't 481 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: do my make up for men. I do my makeup for the girls at work to be like 'oooh! I love your liner today' Like, I've never applied makeup and gone like, 482 00:22:38,770 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: 'I'm doing this because I want a man to notice' 483 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,230 Speaker 2: 'A man to see I'm attractive' 484 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,250 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do it for women. To admire my makeup 485 00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:49,530 Speaker 2: It's the same with fashion, isn't it? It's like I'm pretty sure my partner 486 00:22:49,530 --> 00:22:50,540 Speaker 2: hates most of my fashion 487 00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:51,310 Speaker 2: yes 488 00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:51,820 Speaker 2: and I don't care. 489 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know the girls in the office like it 490 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:53,830 Speaker 1: That's it. 491 00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:55,820 Speaker 1: we're doing it for each other. 492 00:22:56,540 --> 00:22:59,740 Speaker 1: So, education is a really big part of what Adore Beauty does. 493 00:22:59,740 --> 00:23:03,780 Speaker 1: Do you think consumers are more educated now and why are they sort 494 00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:05,590 Speaker 1: of like, eating it up now? Because back in the day, 495 00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:06,869 Speaker 1: it was like, you're just like 'I'll get that it 496 00:23:06,869 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: says it's some sort of anti ageing' 497 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: Well, back in the day, I mean, you didn't... what 498 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,510 Speaker 2: choice did you have? I mean, you walk into a 499 00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:18,490 Speaker 2: department store and go into whatever... up to whatever counter. And 500 00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:20,740 Speaker 2: you just had to rely on whatever they told you 501 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: and you didn't understand what that ingredients, they just had fancy names 502 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,250 Speaker 1: that meant nothing to you 503 00:23:25,859 --> 00:23:29,770 Speaker 1: that meant nothing, yes, exactly. And so I'm really excited that people are 504 00:23:29,770 --> 00:23:31,030 Speaker 1: really getting way into it. 505 00:23:31,030 --> 00:23:31,180 Speaker 1: So am I. 506 00:23:31,550 --> 00:23:35,190 Speaker 1: You know, and then there's people going 'So, retinol. How 507 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:36,110 Speaker 1: does that work?' It's like, brilliant... 508 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: people are doing their own research and they're making their own 509 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,710 Speaker 2: purchases independently, which I love, I'm like 'yes! power to you' 510 00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: Makes me happier than anything. Because, I mean, I think, you know, people 511 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: sort of asked me a lot, so sort of, you know, 512 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,770 Speaker 2: and it'll be often in the context of business conversations, 513 00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:56,330 Speaker 2: even and then at the end, and they sort of 514 00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:58,370 Speaker 2: get this look on their face. I know what questions 515 00:23:58,369 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: coming next. It will be like 'So what's really the 516 00:24:01,609 --> 00:24:04,980 Speaker 2: best thing?' Like it's some secret. There's one best thing 517 00:24:04,990 --> 00:24:06,540 Speaker 2: That we're all using and none of you know about it 518 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:13,550 Speaker 2: And we're just not telling anybody. And it's like, well, it totally depends. I mean, 519 00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: you know, there's plenty of people who like things that 520 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,670 Speaker 2: are super luxe, and they want the heavy glass jar 521 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: and the beautiful smell and that's much more important to 522 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,750 Speaker 2: how they feel about their skincare routine than whatever percentage of 523 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:33,500 Speaker 2: retinol might happen to me and they're perfectly okay, like 524 00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: just do you, you know? And so what I love might 525 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: not be what you love might not be what my 526 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,420 Speaker 2: mom loves and that's brilliant. I mean, that's what Adore is all 527 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: about 528 00:24:44,260 --> 00:24:47,379 Speaker 2: yeah, being brand agnostic and being able to just buy whatever 529 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: you want. You don't have to use everything from the 530 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,290 Speaker 2: same range 531 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:56,140 Speaker 2: No and please don't, because the whole idea that any one range would be perfect for anybody. And everybody 532 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:59,970 Speaker 2: has got... everybody's skin is different and what everybody is like, 533 00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:03,860 Speaker 2: willing to do. Like how many serums that you're prepared layer? 534 00:25:03,859 --> 00:25:09,620 Speaker 2: I mean, personally, I'm like, you know, like four at a minimum. but a 535 00:25:09,630 --> 00:25:12,950 Speaker 2: lot of people-  maybe not. So that's... and that's totally cool. 536 00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:15,250 Speaker 1: Well, on that note, I would like you to share 537 00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:20,930 Speaker 1: your current skincare routine because we do ask our guests this question a lot, and 538 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:22,410 Speaker 1: I feel like yours is probably gonna be the best 539 00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: one we've ever featured. 540 00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: Okay. Alright. So morning routine, I would usually cleanse with Aspect Purastat cleasner, 541 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:39,300 Speaker 2: which I use in the shower, it's just a nice, light, gel cleanser and kind of, takes everything off, doesn't irritate my skin. 542 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:44,210 Speaker 2: Then we launch into the serum situation, which at the 543 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:47,330 Speaker 2: moment there's four skinceuticals ones that I do one on 544 00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:51,380 Speaker 2: top of the other. So C E Ferulic first, which is just the 545 00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:54,850 Speaker 2: best thing ever. I mean it is stupid expensive, but it's so 546 00:25:54,859 --> 00:25:58,070 Speaker 2: good. And then the Retexturing Activator 547 00:25:58,070 --> 00:26:01,940 Speaker 2: Oh my god, how good is that?oring way. 548 00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:02,310 Speaker 2: So good! 549 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: Isn't it? Were you using that before I started, like just talking to everybody about it? 550 00:26:05,530 --> 00:26:06,690 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 551 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,500 Speaker 1: Oh, should have come and talk to you about it 552 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,570 Speaker 2: It's the business. It just makes your skin just flawless. 553 00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:13,380 Speaker 2: Yes, it does, doesn't it? 554 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:15,380 Speaker 2: texture wise. 555 00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:16,220 Speaker 2: that's what I said. 556 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you guys and this serum. She talked about it a few weeks ago and 557 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,050 Speaker 2: she was like, 'Oh, my God!' exactly the same. I really have to try it now. 558 00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: it's really very good. And then I do sort of two hydration 559 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,100 Speaker 2: serums after that. So I do the HA Intensifier, like the 560 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,510 Speaker 2: one in the purple bottle and then also the Hydrating B5 gel on top 561 00:26:33,410 --> 00:26:34,470 Speaker 2: All Skinceuticals? 562 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,530 Speaker 2: All Skinceuticals. This is... mind you, this is what it is at the moment. 563 00:26:39,540 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: Yes. 564 00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: You're like Jo; it changes all the time. 565 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,149 Speaker 2: It does, but look I have been on the SkinCeuticals for a while actually. 566 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:47,210 Speaker 1: Yeah I do love SkinCeuticals 567 00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:48,550 Speaker 1: And your skin is looking glowing 568 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,859 Speaker 2: Thank you. 569 00:26:49,859 --> 00:26:49,979 Speaker 2: It does. 570 00:26:50,170 --> 00:26:50,989 Speaker 2: I'm not wearing any foindation today. 571 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,630 Speaker 2: Really? 572 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,659 Speaker 2: No I've got a bit of the Ultra Violette Queen Screen, and I mixed it 573 00:26:56,660 --> 00:27:00,670 Speaker 2: with a bit of the Clinique..oh what's it called...like, the cc cream. Just 574 00:27:00,770 --> 00:27:01,330 Speaker 2: a smidge 575 00:27:01,340 --> 00:27:01,780 Speaker 2: Yeah. 576 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,550 Speaker 1: I dare to say you were better than you did 577 00:27:03,550 --> 00:27:07,100 Speaker 1: 10 years ago. I feel like you're reverse ageing. Like me. 578 00:27:07,869 --> 00:27:10,140 Speaker 2: Let's hope so. 579 00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: We should get Kate to do that skin scan that we did.. 580 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, when they come in 581 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,220 Speaker 1: Yes. 582 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: So they...the visioscan, have you doen that? 583 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,620 Speaker 2: I did that with... No, I did... there's skinceuticals one, 584 00:27:19,619 --> 00:27:22,190 Speaker 2: which is like, it's like a wood's lamp. 585 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah 586 00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:24,389 Speaker 1: Well if you want to do it, they're coming in. 587 00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:25,909 Speaker 1: It tells you your skin age. 588 00:27:25,910 --> 00:27:28,510 Speaker 1: So my skin age was five years older. Her's was five 589 00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: years younger. 590 00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: I think yours would be 10 years. You should do it. 591 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:33,810 Speaker 2: fingers crossed. 592 00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:35,169 Speaker 2: So what's at night? 593 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: So at night time... Look, night time, I'll sort of mix it up a little 594 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,010 Speaker 2: bit more. I'll tend to alternate a bit more. So, I'll 595 00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: use either the SkinCeuticals Resveratrol...what is it Resveratrol B E or something I don't know... 596 00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the one. I've got that one. 597 00:27:54,369 --> 00:27:54,709 Speaker 2: You know that one, the night time one. 598 00:27:55,859 --> 00:27:56,669 Speaker 2: Do you use the Medik8 Crystal Retinal? 599 00:27:57,619 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: No, no, I use... Look, I have used the PCA Skin Retinol 0.5. 600 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,109 Speaker 2: But honestly, it melts my face off everytime. 601 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: What do you mean? 602 00:28:11,859 --> 00:28:14,510 Speaker 2: Like, I'll get a couple of days later, I'll get peeling... 603 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,930 Speaker 1: Are you quite sensitive to retinal? 604 00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:18,050 Speaker 2: I think I must be. 605 00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:19,290 Speaker 1: Because I never peel 606 00:28:19,619 --> 00:28:20,190 Speaker 1: I am well 607 00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why I like... I can't use retinal every night. So 608 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:27,899 Speaker 2: maybe that's because I'm using so many serums in the morning, right, 609 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:30,250 Speaker 2: that I need to just kind of go easy. Actually, you 610 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: know what? One thing I would have bean really liking 611 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:39,420 Speaker 2: for nighttime is the Biologi Evening Radiance serum. And I'm not usually like 612 00:28:39,420 --> 00:28:42,830 Speaker 2: a clean beauty person, I'm sort of like give me the chemicals. 613 00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:43,900 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. 614 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: Are you also a cosmeceutical snob like Joanna? 615 00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:52,490 Speaker 2: 100%. But look, the Biologi, I really like. It's really like 616 00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:58,070 Speaker 2: in terms of a natural product that's also pretty hardcore. Yeah, that's amazing. Like 617 00:28:58,070 --> 00:29:00,210 Speaker 2: you can feel how active it is when you put 618 00:29:00,210 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: it on your skin. And that's not a thing that 619 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,870 Speaker 2: I usually get from natural products. I actually really like that. 620 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,580 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give that one a whirl. 621 00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:11,610 Speaker 2: So that's pretty good. And then I'll usually use moisturiser wise, 622 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: either the Aspect Phytostat 9. Which I know you love also Jo 623 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:15,380 Speaker 2: You guys are so similar in your skin care. 624 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: I know, but it's so good. It works for morning, it works for night, it works for summer, it works 625 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,860 Speaker 2: for winter. Like, it's just... there's no time that I don't love it. 626 00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:26,490 Speaker 2: it's perfect. 627 00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 2: or the Skinceuticals... What's it called? 628 00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:34,550 Speaker 1: Is it the complex? I know the jar I can see that jar in my head. 629 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:41,270 Speaker 2: You know that jar and it's like, aging... I can never remember the names of anything. So I quite like that one too. 630 00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:43,610 Speaker 2: But again, it's quite active so I wouldn't necessarily use it 631 00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:45,950 Speaker 2: every night. So I alternative at night time. 632 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,260 Speaker 1: And I think you have the same Mesoestetic fast skin repair 633 00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: for when you overdo it on the retinol. 634 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,140 Speaker 2: When I overdo it. Yes, I use that what I'm 635 00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: really liking also at the moment is the new Estee Lauder 636 00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:57,830 Speaker 2: Advanced Night Repair. 637 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,370 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the concentrate. 638 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,570 Speaker 2: The new one. Yep. I really like that It's really nice. Like on the nights when you're like, 'Well, 639 00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: I think maybe no more actives today'. Yeah, chuck some of 640 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,220 Speaker 2: that on and my skin's always happier in the morning. 641 00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:11,850 Speaker 2: Amazing. 642 00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:12,250 Speaker 2: Awesome. 643 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:13,490 Speaker 2: I think you were my favourite guest, Kate 644 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 2: Oh, you have to say that. 645 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: No I don't. You can't fire us now we've got the podcast. 646 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. 647 00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:25,130 Speaker 2: Oh. Thank you 648 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: the product we didn't know we needed 649 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,630 Speaker 1: I feel like we should have a jingle for this 650 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,630 Speaker 2: Go on. Do a little... sing a little song. 651 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:32,940 Speaker 2: I will not do that. 652 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,030 Speaker 2: Can you sing? 653 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:37,180 Speaker 2: No. Wouldn't I have like, let you know that earlier 654 00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:40,130 Speaker 2: Do you know that my mum doesn't let me sing in public. 655 00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:41,470 Speaker 2: Yep. 656 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,190 Speaker 2: I'm the worse singer. If I'm singing on camera on my instagram, like at concert, 657 00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:48,170 Speaker 2: mum will direct message me straight away 658 00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:48,390 Speaker 2: Delete it. 659 00:30:48,690 --> 00:30:53,180 Speaker 2: 'Hannah, what have I told you about singing in public?' So 660 00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:54,780 Speaker 2: what's the product that you didn't know you needed? 661 00:30:54,790 --> 00:30:59,530 Speaker 2: So mine is actually a dry shampoo because this particular dry 662 00:30:59,530 --> 00:31:03,150 Speaker 2: shampoo changed the way I thought about this product. So 663 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: it's the R & Co. Spiritualised dry shampoo mist and by mist, I mean, 664 00:31:08,290 --> 00:31:09,090 Speaker 2: it's a mist. 665 00:31:09,250 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: Actually, it's got a micellar water in it 666 00:31:11,610 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. It cleanses the hair with like, a micellar but also 667 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,090 Speaker 2: just leaves it looking so much cleaner than dry shampoo makes 668 00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: my hair look. I find I spray normal dry shampoo in, it makes my hair kind of look dirty, in a 669 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,380 Speaker 2: way like it doesn't achieve what I want to achieve. 670 00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:31,940 Speaker 2: But this particular product you spray in, it's very wet. I spray it 671 00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:33,110 Speaker 2: all over my roots and then... 672 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,340 Speaker 2: 'it's so wet'. Stop Joanna! 673 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: Sorry! 674 00:31:35,890 --> 00:31:37,940 Speaker 2: Another one 675 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:41,050 Speaker 2: So you spray it into your roots and then... 676 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:41,950 Speaker 2: Is it moist? 677 00:31:41,950 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: It's moist 678 00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: you hate that word. 679 00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: I don't mind it actually. And then I actually dry in with my Dyson, 680 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: so I would never spray it in and then just leave 681 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,650 Speaker 2: it because I feel like it would dry really funny. 682 00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:55,660 Speaker 2: But if you use your brush and you just brush 683 00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:59,740 Speaker 2: it in and you dry it in, honestly, it makes my hair really clean. 684 00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:01,850 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel clean when I touch it, you can 685 00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:03,590 Speaker 2: feel kind of like that dry shampooy residue 686 00:32:04,150 --> 00:32:05,820 Speaker 2: It's not like a volumising, 687 00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:06,050 Speaker 2: I find it quite volumising 688 00:32:06,860 --> 00:32:08,170 Speaker 2: Really? 689 00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:10,690 Speaker 2: yeah, because other dry shampoos make my hair really flat. I 690 00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:14,350 Speaker 2: think my hairs so fine it just holds it down. 691 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,770 Speaker 2: Now the thing about this one is, Joanna and I 692 00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:19,460 Speaker 2: did a little competition. How long we could go without washing. 693 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:24,770 Speaker 2: Don't ask. We actually had three different dry shampoos. We had powder, 694 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: we had an aerosol and we had Spiritualised. And we 695 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,670 Speaker 2: both said that was the best yet for really going... 696 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,990 Speaker 2: If you really want to go a week, guys... 697 00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: we both got to seven days. 698 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,190 Speaker 2: Yes, it really soothes the scalp 699 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,270 Speaker 2: Yeah it does 700 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:42,650 Speaker 2: and that's because it's got micellar water in it. It's 701 00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:43,530 Speaker 2: a really weird like... 702 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,950 Speaker 2: it smells nice too, which is a bonus. But also, you can take 703 00:32:47,950 --> 00:32:48,950 Speaker 2: it travelling too. So if you're like 704 00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: Cause it's not an aerosol 705 00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:53,330 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So you can just take it in your bag 706 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:56,140 Speaker 2: wherever you go. And you've always got your dry shampoo. Only thing is, 707 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,390 Speaker 2: you need to have a hair dryer handy, 708 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,220 Speaker 2: which I don't have. 709 00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: You're a weirdo for not drying your hair. Does everyone else dry their hair or are 710 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:03,810 Speaker 1: people air drying? Am I the weird o here? 711 00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:12,060 Speaker 1: I think you're the weirdo. I feel like this podcast has shown that you're the weirdo. And I'm the normal one. 712 00:33:13,420 --> 00:33:15,380 Speaker 1: It has. It's pointed out that I'm the only one just wearing undies and not a panty liner. 713 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:21,350 Speaker 2: By the way, I'm still getting dms about that. 714 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: So Hannah, tell me what your product is. 715 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,100 Speaker 2: So this is an interesting one. I wanted to do 716 00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,930 Speaker 2: something different this week. This is the product I didn't 717 00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:30,660 Speaker 2: know that I needed that I don't want 718 00:33:30,670 --> 00:33:32,690 Speaker 2: Oh, she's gone rogue. Okay. Please share 719 00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:36,010 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to... so I wanted to give a 720 00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: little bit of feedback, and it might just be me, 721 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,380 Speaker 2: but I tried tube mascara and I don't like it. 722 00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:44,690 Speaker 2: Not a fan 723 00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:46,070 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. 724 00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: I actually wanted to get...what were your thoughts on tube mascara? 725 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,330 Speaker 2: I don't mind it. I've just got really sparse lashes. I've got 726 00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:55,670 Speaker 2: long lashes, they're straight and very sparse. So I prefer kind 727 00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:59,830 Speaker 2: of like a volumising mascara, which I don't find a 728 00:33:59,830 --> 00:34:05,310 Speaker 2: tubing mascara does for my lashes. But in terms of something that's not waterproof, 729 00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:07,140 Speaker 2: that will stay on all day and is really good 730 00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:08,230 Speaker 2: for oily skin types that smudge a lot around their eyes, I think a tubing mascara is excellent.  731 00:34:11,910 --> 00:34:15,050 Speaker 2: So I am an oily type. And you know that when 732 00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:17,210 Speaker 2: I put mascara on particularly I like to put a lot on my 733 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:25,339 Speaker 2: lower lashes that I do get that smudgy, panda look. However, as we've discussed, I don't shower every... 734 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:28,149 Speaker 2: Yeah but also, I learnt that you weren't washing it off properly. 735 00:34:28,150 --> 00:34:30,670 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that other thing. But the thing with it is, unless 736 00:34:30,670 --> 00:34:33,300 Speaker 2: you're gonna have a shower and put warm water... 737 00:34:33,370 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 2: Which most people do... 738 00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:43,390 Speaker 2: Which most people do...maybe people don't shower twice a day, Joanna. Maybe people only shower once 739 00:34:43,390 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 2: a day. 740 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,460 Speaker 2: Yeah that's fine but you're not showering your make up off. 741 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: I am washing it, though, but the problem is that 742 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,290 Speaker 2: you need to really like, for me, the tubing mascara, you gotta get 743 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:52,940 Speaker 2: in the shower and you've got to like put warm 744 00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:55,980 Speaker 2: water takes it takes a bit of effort to get off. 745 00:34:55,989 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't think it's that hard 746 00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: I find it like high effort 747 00:34:59,870 --> 00:35:03,510 Speaker 2: Hannah tried to get it off with cleanser. And she was like 'how f***en hard is it to get off?' I was like, 'You're doing it wrong' 748 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,940 Speaker 2: Yes. And so the other thing... The other reason I 749 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,650 Speaker 2: don't like it is because I wear contact lenses and I 750 00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:16,290 Speaker 2: actually find it a little bit heavy on my...it actually 751 00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:19,620 Speaker 2: feels a little bit heavier than normal mascara. And so I 752 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: find it a little bit more irritating with the contact lenses. 753 00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:23,290 Speaker 2: OK, that's fair feedback. 754 00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah so that's my feedback. So I do still want to 755 00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: recommend a mascara that I love. So the mascara that 756 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,930 Speaker 2: I use is the Eye of Horus Goddess mascara 757 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,100 Speaker 2: which is our best selling mascara. 758 00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: Adore Beauty got me onto it and I've never looked back. 759 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,390 Speaker 2: It's a really, really just good allrounder everyday mascara, and 760 00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:47,629 Speaker 2: I highly recommend. But who do you think tube mascara would 761 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:50,259 Speaker 2: actually be... A lot of people would benefit from tube mascara. 762 00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:55,100 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people that like waterproof formulas, or wear it for really long periods 763 00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:59,850 Speaker 2: and don't want to worry about flaking or smudging and 764 00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:01,860 Speaker 2: obviously oily skin types as well as I said. 765 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:04,629 Speaker 2: I did actually wear it on a night out and it did have 766 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,750 Speaker 2: staying power 767 00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:09,150 Speaker 1: Yeah it does. Because it really does only come off when you 768 00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: want it to come off. But the goddess mascara , I 769 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,100 Speaker 1: think it's important to point out that's a lengthening and 770 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,590 Speaker 1: separating mascara. So for me, I really like the formula 771 00:36:18,590 --> 00:36:21,210 Speaker 1: that it's like a natural formula, and it is really nice. 772 00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:24,450 Speaker 1: But for my lashes, that are really sparse and need volume- 773 00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:26,930 Speaker 1: That's not the kind of formula I go for. So 774 00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:29,580 Speaker 1: for someone with like fairly full lashes, that wants a 775 00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: lengthening and separating the goddess mascara is perfect. But if you prefer more volume, 776 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,340 Speaker 1: then that's probably not for you. 777 00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: What's your volume, what do you use? 778 00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: I've got a few on rotation, but one I love 779 00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:41,910 Speaker 1: is the benefit Bad girl Bang 780 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:43,170 Speaker 1: because you're a bad gal 781 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: It's you doing the sexual inuendos not even me 782 00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:51,540 Speaker 2: I can't help it. 783 00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:53,910 Speaker 2: This segment has become like a product I didn't know I 784 00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:54,709 Speaker 2: needed plus, sexual innuedos 785 00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:57,290 Speaker 1: sorry about that guys 786 00:36:59,430 --> 00:37:02,190 Speaker 1: Thanks everyone for joining us today. 787 00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:05,339 Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe and tell your friends, it helps other 788 00:37:05,350 --> 00:37:07,660 Speaker 1: people discover us. 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