WEBVTT - The Future of California 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:09.400 Every week. Hillsdale College President Larry Arnn joins Hugh Hewitt 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:14.120 to discuss great books, great men, and great ideas. This 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:19.320 is Hillsdale Dialogues, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:25.680 More episodes@podcast.hillsdale.edu or wherever you find your audio. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.760 Morning glory and evening Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. That 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.800 music means it's the last broadcast hour of the week. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.560 Welcome to the Hillsdale Dialogue. I'm joined by Doctor Larry Arnn, 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:43.080 president of Hillsdale College. All things Hillsdale can be found@hillsdale.edu. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:50.400 All of our prior dialogues@hughforhillsdale.com. Doctor Hillsdale movie did pretty well. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:51.960 I was very pleased to hear that. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.840 Yeah, it's rolling it. Uh, it's pretty good. I think it, uh, yeah, it, uh, 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.310 I was thrilled when I watched it, you know? I 0:01:00.310 --> 0:01:02.350 mean it, but I didn't watch it until about 3 0:01:02.350 --> 0:01:05.670 or 4 days before it came out. And, uh, it 0:01:05.709 --> 0:01:09.470 captures two things that I think are most important. How 0:01:09.470 --> 0:01:13.550 hard it was and how they were reduced to risking 0:01:13.550 --> 0:01:16.390 their lives for matters of principle. And they didn't know 0:01:16.390 --> 0:01:19.350 how I was going to come out. And, uh, so it's, 0:01:19.390 --> 0:01:20.230 it's lovely. 0:01:20.470 --> 0:01:23.389 When we come back to talk before the fourth about 0:01:23.390 --> 0:01:26.830 the founding, we'll talk more about that. But your premiere 0:01:26.830 --> 0:01:30.750 was at the Detroit Central Station, which I don't think 0:01:31.069 --> 0:01:33.149 was a go zone when I was in law school 0:01:33.150 --> 0:01:35.470 in Michigan in the 80s. What's it like now? 0:01:36.310 --> 0:01:41.949 Well, they apparently they spent $2 billion. It's a glorious 0:01:41.950 --> 0:01:46.990 old central city railway station. And it was a ruin, 0:01:46.990 --> 0:01:50.070 a complete ruin. And they spent a lot of money 0:01:50.070 --> 0:01:53.950 on it and they restored it to pristine glory. It's 0:01:53.950 --> 0:01:56.870 just a lovely place. And, uh, so we're one of 0:01:56.870 --> 0:02:00.110 the first big events in it. There was a story 0:02:00.110 --> 0:02:02.910 about the restoration. You know, there's some pride in Detroit. 0:02:02.950 --> 0:02:05.510 Detroit has been a great city, and there's some comeback 0:02:05.510 --> 0:02:09.109 going on in Detroit right now. But there's a in 0:02:09.150 --> 0:02:13.829 the porte cochere entryway. On one side of it, there 0:02:13.830 --> 0:02:18.510 was a great gold clock and it was missing. And 0:02:18.510 --> 0:02:21.670 so the people restored it, advertised for it. And a 0:02:21.669 --> 0:02:24.710 man came forward who was born in the neighborhood and 0:02:24.710 --> 0:02:28.310 still lived in it. And he had always loved that clock, 0:02:28.669 --> 0:02:32.110 and he had rescued it and put it in his garage. 0:02:32.550 --> 0:02:35.669 And it was in there for 30 years, and they 0:02:35.669 --> 0:02:38.470 advertised for it to come back. He brought it back. 0:02:39.030 --> 0:02:41.190 So it's really great. It's a great story. A lot 0:02:41.190 --> 0:02:42.310 of things like that there. 0:02:42.669 --> 0:02:46.190 One last question about the Premier. Tom Selleck narrates the 0:02:46.190 --> 0:02:48.549 Hillsdale movie on the founding, which may or may not 0:02:48.550 --> 0:02:53.190 still be in theaters. I'm not sure. But the the 0:02:53.190 --> 0:02:54.070 fact is that two. 0:02:54.070 --> 0:02:57.460 More nights, the fifth and the eighth, to the fifth 0:02:57.460 --> 0:02:58.500 and 8th of June. 0:02:58.860 --> 0:03:01.540 Fifth and 8th of June. Great. That is terrific. And 0:03:01.540 --> 0:03:04.419 so but was Cilic at the opening. 0:03:05.220 --> 0:03:09.100 He was. Yeah. And and um he's a he I 0:03:09.139 --> 0:03:12.180 just you know I know him a little bit. And uh, 0:03:12.500 --> 0:03:16.500 he is a marvelous man. He's an excellent human being. 0:03:17.180 --> 0:03:20.380 You know, he's world famous and he's not ruined by 0:03:20.380 --> 0:03:25.180 that at all. Uh, he's a listener to your show. 0:03:25.340 --> 0:03:27.380 He wants you to talk about the fact that he 0:03:27.380 --> 0:03:30.700 did a really great movie about Eisenhower, and that you 0:03:30.700 --> 0:03:33.299 should mention it when you mention this new one. Oh, 0:03:33.340 --> 0:03:34.540 I will, uh, I will. 0:03:35.220 --> 0:03:35.980 And you just did. 0:03:36.180 --> 0:03:38.860 A quick little thing, and his movie is very good. 0:03:39.260 --> 0:03:41.780 I have a quick little story about him. You know, 0:03:42.860 --> 0:03:48.380 it's got to be 35 years ago, our youngest child 0:03:48.380 --> 0:03:50.580 was a babe in arms. And we went to an 0:03:50.580 --> 0:03:53.740 event where Tom Selleck was, and we ended up having 0:03:53.740 --> 0:03:56.620 a drink with him. And then he drove us back 0:03:56.620 --> 0:03:59.780 to our hotel in his limo, and we talked for 0:03:59.780 --> 0:04:01.700 an hour and a half. He didn't remember it, but 0:04:01.700 --> 0:04:05.700 I remember it distinctly. And what my wife remembers is 0:04:05.700 --> 0:04:09.380 that as we were leaving, we had dropped our Alice's 0:04:09.380 --> 0:04:13.300 blankie and he saw it and rescued it and gave 0:04:13.300 --> 0:04:16.100 it to us. And so I was able to tell 0:04:16.100 --> 0:04:18.540 the story that while this event was going on at 0:04:18.540 --> 0:04:24.100 the Michigan Central Station, our Alice was having her first child. Oh. 0:04:24.980 --> 0:04:27.940 Oh. That is connecting a big circle of light there. 0:04:27.940 --> 0:04:30.460 But it's good that he rescued the blankie. That's, uh, 0:04:30.460 --> 0:04:33.620 that's Magnum P.I. work right there. So that's it? 0:04:33.660 --> 0:04:33.940 Yeah. 0:04:33.980 --> 0:04:37.260 Oh, yeah. Tom Selleck. I will watch the movie because 0:04:37.260 --> 0:04:39.100 I think you'd make a good Ike. I'm not. I 0:04:39.100 --> 0:04:42.859 don't know how Brendan Fraser did in the new pressure movie, 0:04:42.860 --> 0:04:45.580 but I will watch it. Let's move then on, and 0:04:45.580 --> 0:04:49.740 we'll come back and remind people about the Hillsdale film on, uh, 0:04:49.980 --> 0:04:51.940 the week after as well. And hopefully it will come 0:04:51.940 --> 0:04:54.130 back because people want to see it again. Dwayne really 0:04:54.130 --> 0:04:58.089 loved it. I want your thoughts on what is exactly 0:04:58.089 --> 0:05:05.170 going on between the United States and Iran, Israel and Hezbollah, UAE, Kuwait. 0:05:05.210 --> 0:05:10.690 Last Tuesday night, Iran attacked again. We're taping on Wednesday 0:05:10.690 --> 0:05:13.210 for playing on Friday. We don't know what's going to happen, 0:05:13.210 --> 0:05:15.490 but this does not look like a cease fire to me. 0:05:15.529 --> 0:05:17.250 Does it look like a cease fire to you? 0:05:17.810 --> 0:05:23.170 No. It's easier to talk about the broad strategic implications 0:05:23.170 --> 0:05:26.450 of all this than what's going on right now, because 0:05:26.450 --> 0:05:29.170 we don't know, and we don't know how this particular 0:05:29.170 --> 0:05:32.610 thing is going to come out. There are two arguments 0:05:32.930 --> 0:05:36.970 that I am attracted to. One of them is supportive 0:05:36.970 --> 0:05:40.730 of Trump's general strategy, and one is critical in one 0:05:40.730 --> 0:05:45.250 way of how we're going about it in Iraq. Iran, sorry, 0:05:45.850 --> 0:05:49.770 the supportive one says that what Trump is interested in 0:05:49.810 --> 0:05:54.130 is restraining our enemies. He doesn't think he can eliminate them. 0:05:54.130 --> 0:05:57.930 He doesn't think he can turn them into democracy and friends. 0:05:58.570 --> 0:06:02.610 He wants to punish their behavior that harms us. And 0:06:02.610 --> 0:06:06.770 Venezuela is an episode in that. And Midnight Hammer, the 0:06:06.770 --> 0:06:09.770 earlier strike on Iran is an episode of that. And 0:06:09.770 --> 0:06:13.849 this is an episode of that. And it's, uh, you know, been, 0:06:13.890 --> 0:06:17.089 you know, Greenland. We have more access to Greenland than 0:06:17.089 --> 0:06:20.610 we have and China had, and China has less. And 0:06:20.610 --> 0:06:25.450 he's talking about Cuba. And so that's a strategy that 0:06:25.450 --> 0:06:29.690 looks to America's interest and is forward looking and doesn't 0:06:29.690 --> 0:06:34.370 want us surrounded and cut off. And China gets huge 0:06:34.410 --> 0:06:39.089 amount of its oil from Venezuela and Iran, and that's 0:06:39.089 --> 0:06:43.010 in jeopardy for them. Now. Both are, uh, so that's 0:06:43.650 --> 0:06:46.609 one thing. And that looks to me like that's if 0:06:46.610 --> 0:06:49.640 that's what he's thinking, that's sound thinking. We have to 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.640 think like that. The negative thing is a comparison of 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:58.960 our strategy and tactics in Iran in this war and Israel's. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.680 And the claim is that they're better at strategic interdiction. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.960 That is to say, go hurt them in their fundamentals 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:12.880 as fast as you can. And we. And the claim 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.400 of this article, and I don't really know for sure, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.880 but the claim of this article is that we need 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.760 to do that harder. We need to take them down 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.520 in their key elements of power. And that air power 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.840 can do that. You know, air power has been growing 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.800 in importance since the Second World War that we're talking 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:39.440 about in in our Churchill studies. And so there's that. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.640 And I'm attracted to that argument. I don't know that 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.640 I know that Trump is failing in that regard or 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.680 succeeding in that regard, but I'm attracted to it because 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.120 in one way, time is very much on our side 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.760 and in another way, not at all. Uh, we've got 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.200 an election coming. This is going to affect that. It 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.280 will affect it. How much? Nobody knows. The election will 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.679 probably be close. Whichever way. Whoever controls the Congress after 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:10.440 it's over. But we know you like there's a very 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.440 powerful impulse to get it done. And if you're a 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.960 free country. Fighting wars, when you get all geared up, 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.880 you can fight them really well, but you can't fight 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:27.200 them forever or continuously. So my thoughts are mostly long, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.400 and I read the news every morning trying to peer 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.280 into the future and see what's coming. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.600 Now the blockade makes sense. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.720 I'll add something. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:37.320 Go ahead. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:42.960 I think the decisive difference between this and the previous 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.550 Middle East wars we've been in is that we're not 0:08:47.550 --> 0:08:51.510 proceeding on the principles of liberal imperialism. Correct. That is 0:08:51.510 --> 0:08:54.910 to say, we're not we're not saying that we can't 0:08:54.910 --> 0:08:58.910 be safe until they become democratic, because it's not really 0:08:58.910 --> 0:09:01.390 in our power to make that happen or anybody's power 0:09:01.429 --> 0:09:06.189 outside them if they have the power. So that that 0:09:06.390 --> 0:09:10.829 I salute very much and, uh, keep my fingers crossed. 0:09:10.830 --> 0:09:13.670 And as I am always saying, I don't know how 0:09:13.670 --> 0:09:15.670 the war is going to come out, I just know 0:09:15.670 --> 0:09:16.670 I'm on our side. 0:09:17.270 --> 0:09:20.150 Well, I am agreed with that. But I like the blockade. And, 0:09:20.150 --> 0:09:24.390 and we have had success with blockades in Cuba, with 0:09:24.390 --> 0:09:28.110 breaking them vis a vis Berlin. We know about blockades 0:09:28.110 --> 0:09:31.949 from England and French wars of long ago. Do you. 0:09:31.990 --> 0:09:34.030 We had a minute to the break. Do you like 0:09:34.070 --> 0:09:37.110 the idea of the blockade as opposed to the active 0:09:37.110 --> 0:09:38.429 combat operations? 0:09:39.070 --> 0:09:42.230 I think that was very innovative. And, uh. And see, 0:09:42.270 --> 0:09:45.070 I don't, uh. Yeah, and I, and I do think it's, 0:09:45.110 --> 0:09:48.510 you know, long term. Very good. Apparently, I checked this morning. 0:09:48.510 --> 0:09:52.550 There's a trickle of ships coming through the right straits. 0:09:53.390 --> 0:09:56.710 A few of them, uh, of the few a preponderance 0:09:56.710 --> 0:10:02.230 are friends of Iran, China and such. Um, but we're, 0:10:02.510 --> 0:10:06.110 you know, we're, we, we've shut them down and it 0:10:06.110 --> 0:10:08.830 hurts them and how fast it hurts them and how 0:10:08.830 --> 0:10:12.590 much it hurts them. It's, you know, that's to be 0:10:12.590 --> 0:10:15.750 revealed because I don't know. And I don't think, you know, 0:10:16.070 --> 0:10:18.870 it's very possible. Like, I think, uh, the Secretary of 0:10:18.870 --> 0:10:22.110 war is very capable and did a good job, uh, 0:10:22.150 --> 0:10:26.829 going to talk in Singapore about America's strategic interest and 0:10:26.830 --> 0:10:30.030 how we'll pursue them. And he's not looking for domination 0:10:30.030 --> 0:10:32.150 of Asia. He's looking for a balance of power. 0:10:32.830 --> 0:10:36.550 And that was a good speech. We'll be right back 0:10:36.550 --> 0:10:39.310 with doctor on the Singapore Security Conference, which is a 0:10:39.309 --> 0:10:42.060 big deal if you missed it. Obviously Doctor Oren Denton. 0:10:42.059 --> 0:10:44.699 Stay tuned. I'll be right back. Welcome back America. The 0:10:44.700 --> 0:10:48.020 Hillsdale dialogue is underway. I'm Hugh Hewitt. My guest is 0:10:48.020 --> 0:10:50.420 Doctor Larry Arnn. We're doing a look at some of 0:10:50.420 --> 0:10:52.540 the events of the week this week, as I occasionally 0:10:52.540 --> 0:10:56.300 do with doctor on all things Hillsdale, including all their 0:10:56.300 --> 0:11:01.220 online courses are collected@hillsdale.edu. You can sign up there for 0:11:01.220 --> 0:11:04.580 Imprimis as well, the free monthly speech digest that comes 0:11:04.580 --> 0:11:07.260 from Hillsdale and all of our dialogues on all sorts 0:11:07.260 --> 0:11:11.100 of subjects dating back ten years, are collected at hue 0:11:11.140 --> 0:11:15.179 for hillsdale.com. Doctor Aaron, I was trying to remember, and 0:11:15.179 --> 0:11:18.699 I can't remember whether or not you and I were 0:11:18.700 --> 0:11:23.300 introduced by our late friend Tom Fuentes in 1978 or 1989. 0:11:23.300 --> 0:11:25.300 It was one or the other and it was at 0:11:25.300 --> 0:11:28.420 the Coco's at the intersection of El Toro. But the 0:11:28.420 --> 0:11:31.219 point doesn't really matter about which year. It's just that 0:11:31.220 --> 0:11:34.540 we've known each other from California for a long time, 0:11:34.820 --> 0:11:37.500 and we both have very strong opinions on California. I 0:11:37.500 --> 0:11:42.210 lived there from 1989 to 2016. You had gone to 0:11:42.250 --> 0:11:44.650 run Hillsdale before that, but you lived there a long 0:11:44.650 --> 0:11:47.329 time and concern yourself about it. So we both kind 0:11:47.370 --> 0:11:50.050 of root for the state, and we kind of want 0:11:50.330 --> 0:11:53.570 Pete Wilson back. And what do you make of the 0:11:53.570 --> 0:11:56.330 fact that Steve Hilton? We won't know for sure for 0:11:56.330 --> 0:11:59.290 a while, but looks like he made the run off. 0:11:59.530 --> 0:12:03.130 And Spencer Pratt looks like we won't know for a while. 0:12:03.170 --> 0:12:05.010 Made the run off in LA. 0:12:05.330 --> 0:12:09.170 Well, isn't that something? You know, I mean, um, uh, 0:12:09.210 --> 0:12:12.450 there's a lot to be said for plain talk. And, uh, 0:12:12.530 --> 0:12:18.210 especially Spencer Pratt. He's, uh, so plain that he's almost Trumpian. 0:12:18.370 --> 0:12:24.770 Trumpian in his candor. And, uh, he has arrested the country, and, 0:12:24.809 --> 0:12:27.809 you know, who is that guy, anyway? Somebody's house burned down, 0:12:28.330 --> 0:12:34.489 and he's articulate. And, uh, I was asked by my friend, uh, Tunku, 0:12:35.770 --> 0:12:38.250 who writes for the Wall Street Journal. He said he 0:12:38.250 --> 0:12:41.250 was going to interview him. I haven't seen the interview yet. 0:12:41.290 --> 0:12:43.290 He said, what should I ask him? And I said, 0:12:43.290 --> 0:12:44.850 I don't know what to ask him. He's just going 0:12:44.890 --> 0:12:48.610 to talk. I said, but find out if he knows anything. Well, 0:12:48.610 --> 0:12:50.650 since then he's been in a couple of debates and 0:12:50.650 --> 0:12:54.490 he's learned a lot. He's been impressive. Right? So and 0:12:54.490 --> 0:13:00.449 you know, the situation is terrible, right? And it's in California. Uh, 0:13:01.010 --> 0:13:05.210 he describes the Spencer Pratt describes a Los Angeles. Like, 0:13:05.250 --> 0:13:08.850 you know, I, I went to Southern California from Arkansas 0:13:08.850 --> 0:13:12.570 to go to graduate school in 1974, and it looked 0:13:12.570 --> 0:13:15.330 like a big old Disneyland to me. And it was 0:13:15.330 --> 0:13:17.970 pretty and it was clean for the most part. There 0:13:17.970 --> 0:13:20.250 were pockets that were not so, but most of it 0:13:20.250 --> 0:13:26.850 was the freeways worked, you know, and, and it was competently, 0:13:26.850 --> 0:13:32.010 relatively speaking, managed. And it's decay now all over the place. Right. 0:13:32.050 --> 0:13:36.090 It's and it's visible and, and it's not just you're 0:13:36.090 --> 0:13:39.040 showing the houses that burn down, right? They didn't have 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.439 water in the reservoirs to fight the fires. And that's 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:47.319 just incompetence and ideology that caused that to happen. So 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.760 if there's a rebellion underway there about that, God bless them. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:51.320 You know. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.599 Uh, what I, what I raise is the reality check. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.040 They were around when we were there, which was the service, the, 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.120 the public sector unions. But the California Teachers Association was big, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.160 but it was joined by the prison guards by the tribes. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.240 And now they are joined at the hip with the 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:14.040 Service Employees International Union, and they basically run the state. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.720 And they do not run it in the interest of 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.560 the people of California. It would take quite a remarkable 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:27.080 uprising of voters to say, enough with the homelessness and 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.920 the drugs. That's what's driving Pratt. Hilton is driven by 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.800 a lot of things, like in the Central Valley. They've 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.800 they've hated Democrats forever, But along the coast, if you 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.840 can get into one of the coastal enclaves, you're kind 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.320 of removed from it, but no longer. Now, the chaos 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.480 that is California has invaded, uh, Marina Del Rey and 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.400 Newport Beach and, and San Diego. And so as a result, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.080 I think that it's possible one or both of them, 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.040 if they get through the counting process, which is suspect 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.040 in my mind, because it takes ten ballots will be 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.480 counted if they arrive within seven days of the close 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.440 of voting on Election Day. That's a bad thing. And 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.160 therefore there's much mischief to be done or thought is 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.680 being done. Are you an optimist after Tuesday night? 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:21.240 And I mean, my mental weather remains relatively consistent. I 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.440 think we're in a great battle for the soul of 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.400 our country, and it's going to go on for quite 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.840 a while, and ultimately we're going to win it. But 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.120 I don't wake up in the morning thinking today is 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:31.560 the day. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:37.430 Uh, so in California, it would require breaking these deeply 0:15:37.430 --> 0:15:46.030 embedded political institutions that are funded by public employees. That is, 0:15:46.030 --> 0:15:48.470 to me, the greatest impediment. And I'll be seeing Pete 0:15:48.470 --> 0:15:52.630 Wilson in in July. And Pete Wilson knew how to 0:15:52.670 --> 0:15:55.830 be a governor. If Hilton gets through to being the 0:15:55.830 --> 0:15:58.110 governor and needs to use his powers, do you think 0:15:58.110 --> 0:16:01.550 he will do that? California Constitution gives the governor great power. 0:16:01.590 --> 0:16:04.270 I mean, an enormous amount of power to act as governor. 0:16:04.270 --> 0:16:08.270 Yeah. See, the reason for optimism is, you know, one 0:16:08.270 --> 0:16:10.430 of the things you look around in your country is 0:16:10.470 --> 0:16:13.030 there's plenty of things to worry about, but this is 0:16:13.030 --> 0:16:17.070 still a vigorous country, right? It's productive. There's a lot 0:16:17.070 --> 0:16:20.910 of entrepreneurship. There's a lot of fight left in it. 0:16:20.910 --> 0:16:23.510 And and, you know, you look at Europe and see 0:16:23.510 --> 0:16:28.870 that we enjoy some advantages here. And so and now 0:16:28.910 --> 0:16:33.430 think about the administrative state and its control of everything 0:16:33.430 --> 0:16:36.710 and the vast, complicated system it has formed that's so 0:16:36.710 --> 0:16:39.790 expensive and consumes, you know, more than half the economy 0:16:39.830 --> 0:16:44.190 if you include the entitlement programs and the regulatory costs. Well, 0:16:44.430 --> 0:16:49.070 public choice theory, that economic principle, right. In the end, 0:16:49.110 --> 0:16:53.470 the subsidies of the few in California are very heavy, 0:16:53.670 --> 0:16:57.030 and the cost on the many is great. And, you know, 0:16:57.070 --> 0:16:58.950 a lot of people are leaving. That's one reason the 0:16:58.950 --> 0:17:01.270 elections run the way they do. A lot of people 0:17:01.310 --> 0:17:04.750 who are independent, people who raise families and have jobs 0:17:04.750 --> 0:17:09.030 and do businesses have left California, but the remaining ones 0:17:09.030 --> 0:17:11.590 are still in a large majority who have no real 0:17:11.590 --> 0:17:15.750 interest in this mess. And so in potential, there's an 0:17:15.750 --> 0:17:17.990 electoral revolution possible. 0:17:18.150 --> 0:17:20.950 All right. We will hope that much. Stay tuned. America. 0:17:20.950 --> 0:17:22.949 I'll be right back with more of the Hillsdale dialogue. 0:17:23.190 --> 0:17:25.830 I hope that much, but I'm not at all certain 0:17:25.830 --> 0:17:28.870 that that much is going to happen. They're cheating. Not cheating. 0:17:29.150 --> 0:17:34.460 Shouldn't say cheating. The red shift meaning towards the blue 0:17:34.460 --> 0:17:37.980 is underway right now. Welcome back America, I'm Hugh Hewitt. 0:17:38.020 --> 0:17:41.220 Turning now with Doctor Larry Arnn, president of Hillsdale College, 0:17:41.220 --> 0:17:45.020 to a broader electoral map. The Democrats have nominated some 0:17:45.020 --> 0:17:47.619 interesting people. A congressman who was a character witness for 0:17:47.619 --> 0:17:50.260 the blind sheik in the first World Trade Center bombing 0:17:50.300 --> 0:17:55.660 tower in Michigan. A couple of DSA congressional candidates in Pennsylvania. 0:17:56.060 --> 0:18:01.580 It appears that Graham Plattner, the very troubled man in Maine, 0:18:01.580 --> 0:18:04.740 will be the Democratic nominee in Maine. Up in Maine, 0:18:04.740 --> 0:18:07.980 although the governor, Janet Mills, remains on the ballot, they 0:18:07.980 --> 0:18:11.100 could still. He could still drop out. I mean, he could. 0:18:11.100 --> 0:18:14.620 We'll see. And then Mr. El-Sayed in Michigan, which is 0:18:14.619 --> 0:18:17.340 the home of Hillsdale College and about whom I expect 0:18:17.380 --> 0:18:20.500 Doctor Aaron will know more than me. And then Peggy 0:18:20.500 --> 0:18:23.580 Flanagan in Minnesota appears to be leading in that. These 0:18:23.580 --> 0:18:27.300 are all radicals, doctor. These are not your mother and 0:18:27.300 --> 0:18:31.940 father's Democrats or my grandfather who was a Roosevelt Democrat. Democrat, FDR, 0:18:31.980 --> 0:18:35.899 you know, firemen during the depression. These are different. And 0:18:35.900 --> 0:18:37.780 do you think they have staying power? 0:18:38.420 --> 0:18:41.699 Well, if they do, the country is finished. I mean, 0:18:41.740 --> 0:18:44.780 they're so you can look at it in three ways. 0:18:44.780 --> 0:18:48.660 First of all, that kind of politics, in my opinion, 0:18:48.660 --> 0:18:52.820 cannot be sustained nationally or the or the nation cannot 0:18:52.820 --> 0:18:55.939 be sustained. So I guess I'll say two ways. The 0:18:55.940 --> 0:19:03.300 other way is there's always been a few extremists present 0:19:03.300 --> 0:19:07.139 in American politics, a few. Right. We've had a Communist 0:19:07.140 --> 0:19:10.420 Party in America forever. We still haven't. We've had Socialist 0:19:10.420 --> 0:19:14.420 Party in America. You know, the labor leader, Eugene Debs, 0:19:14.460 --> 0:19:18.139 you know, all that has been around. And it's a 0:19:18.140 --> 0:19:20.100 big country and there's a lot of people in it. 0:19:20.100 --> 0:19:24.620 And so there's support in pockets for people like that. 0:19:24.619 --> 0:19:28.250 So that's not going to go away. Is it? You know, 0:19:28.850 --> 0:19:33.330 the extremes are growing in America. I have the sense 0:19:33.369 --> 0:19:36.530 and I think it has something to do with social media. Uh, 0:19:36.690 --> 0:19:39.690 the fact that, uh, you can just reach a lot 0:19:39.690 --> 0:19:43.209 of people now and then we get respect if we 0:19:43.210 --> 0:19:46.810 get our numbers up on YouTube or something. And that's 0:19:46.810 --> 0:19:49.450 very different from the quality or truth of the arguments 0:19:49.450 --> 0:19:52.770 that you're making. So that exaggerates some of this stuff 0:19:52.770 --> 0:19:55.450 on both the left and the right and worse on 0:19:55.450 --> 0:19:57.690 the left, I think, but on both. 0:19:58.369 --> 0:20:01.609 I also heard Karl Rove, who is a very, very 0:20:01.609 --> 0:20:05.770 brilliant man on Tuesday night, articulate that one of the 0:20:05.770 --> 0:20:08.730 worst things to happen to American politics is the rise 0:20:08.730 --> 0:20:14.450 of a consulting class that will rake in 30 to 40% 0:20:14.450 --> 0:20:18.570 of dollars given over the internet, and that therefore, they 0:20:18.770 --> 0:20:23.570 they tend to want to nominate radicals because radicals attract 0:20:23.570 --> 0:20:26.490 the ten and the $15 contributions with which they buy 0:20:26.490 --> 0:20:30.090 second and third homes. I think there's a lot to that. 0:20:30.490 --> 0:20:31.250 What do you think? 0:20:31.810 --> 0:20:36.850 Well, you know, sure. There's, um got to move them. 0:20:36.890 --> 0:20:40.850 You know, I've taken up, uh, woodworking a little bit and. 0:20:40.890 --> 0:20:42.689 Oh no, I've actually cut my finger. 0:20:42.850 --> 0:20:44.649 I was going to ask. Let's see your fingers. 0:20:45.850 --> 0:20:49.530 So I'm a real I'm a real live woodworker now. And, uh, 0:20:49.770 --> 0:20:52.129 you know, it's not that I'm good, but I bled 0:20:52.130 --> 0:20:55.850 on the wood. That's a badge of honor. Anyway, if 0:20:55.890 --> 0:20:59.410 you watch what I. What I watch on YouTube is 0:20:59.410 --> 0:21:04.370 almost exclusively woodworking stuff, but you can just see how 0:21:04.369 --> 0:21:06.450 it's laid out. First of all, people who are good 0:21:06.450 --> 0:21:09.650 on woodworking on YouTube tend to be very decent people. 0:21:09.650 --> 0:21:11.210 You learn about them. If you watch them, they tell 0:21:11.210 --> 0:21:13.690 you how to do things, you know, and they tend 0:21:13.690 --> 0:21:16.930 to be really decent people. Uh, there's a guy named 0:21:16.930 --> 0:21:21.530 the Wood Whisperer. I like him a lot. He's very serious, man. And, uh, anyway, 0:21:22.210 --> 0:21:25.920 there's also crazies and on the headlines on YouTube to 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:31.120 get you to watch. They. There's always words like game 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.800 over and everything is. This is the end or everything 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.000 is different now. The best of them are not so extreme, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.480 but some of them are. And then they have all 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.400 these little tricks. If you stay to the end, you know, 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:50.879 they started out saying, because YouTube apparently tracks all that stuff. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:56.920 Oh yeah. And they get rewarded. And so there's, it's, uh, it's, 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:02.280 you know, it's a, you know, rhetoric has always been interested, 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.360 just read Aristotle in keeping the attention of the audience. 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:11.240 But the techniques here are quick and they lend themselves 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:16.080 in many cases to extremes. And, uh, so that's sort 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:21.879 of how you do it, right? And, uh, so that's bad. 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:26.959 And that will produce the kind of woodworking. Maybe we 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.399 should run a whisperer. 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:29.320 Here's a tip. 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:31.560 We'll run the wood whisperer. 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:37.560 Table saws are very dangerous. Uh, cut me and and 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.840 and apparently, every minute somebody cut with his table saw. Uh, 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.000 but so be careful if you do it. But it's fun, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.440 and I I'm not going to show you. 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.280 But in the next segment. 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.120 Kevin and my wife approves. 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.480 We'll take a break. You can grab that. Don't go anywhere, America. 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:59.040 The Hillsdale Dialogue and the Wood Whisperer 2.0 continues right 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.239 after this. Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewitt with the 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:06.080 president of Hillsdale College. And now he'll be teaching woodworking 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.360 101 to the freshmen. I think, uh, you know, both 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.320 of my brothers took that up. Doctor, I am not 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.760 going to do that. I like my fingers. I don't 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:15.920 want to cut them. And most of my friends would 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.440 tell me it's too dangerous. Have you got any exhibits 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.870 of your work there handy that you can show us? 0:23:21.390 --> 0:23:24.670 No, not that I can show you, but they're right here. 0:23:24.710 --> 0:23:27.750 I mean, well, let's say this in a in a 0:23:27.750 --> 0:23:31.150 future episode, I will show you my cabinets that I 0:23:31.150 --> 0:23:31.910 built and. 0:23:32.109 --> 0:23:33.150 You built cabinets. 0:23:33.150 --> 0:23:37.630 And, uh, they're not quite finished yet, but, um, uh, 0:23:37.790 --> 0:23:40.710 but one, one bank of them is and my wife 0:23:40.710 --> 0:23:43.590 walked in and see, like when you start, when you 0:23:43.590 --> 0:23:45.830 start this crazy thing. And by the way, we're teaching 0:23:45.830 --> 0:23:48.350 carpentry course, I'm not going to teach it, but, uh, 0:23:48.390 --> 0:23:50.790 next term at Hillsdale, we're going to start shop class 0:23:50.790 --> 0:23:54.510 at Hillsdale College. But, uh, and there's huge interest in 0:23:54.510 --> 0:23:58.230 students with it. But when you start woodworking, you build 0:23:58.230 --> 0:24:02.109 things for your shop because that's how you learn how 0:24:02.109 --> 0:24:04.469 to do it. And also it doesn't annoy the people 0:24:04.470 --> 0:24:07.070 in your family who have tastes like my wife in 0:24:07.070 --> 0:24:11.869 that case. And so then eventually, if you get semi good, 0:24:12.270 --> 0:24:16.030 you can invade the house. And in my case, the part, 0:24:16.070 --> 0:24:17.830 the part of the house that is more or less 0:24:17.940 --> 0:24:20.780 my domain is this study where I'm sitting right now, 0:24:21.180 --> 0:24:24.140 and the rest of it is a big industrial place. 0:24:24.180 --> 0:24:27.220 This is a nice house, but college stuff happens here 0:24:27.220 --> 0:24:29.780 and my wife runs it and her stuff is all 0:24:29.780 --> 0:24:34.540 over the place. Right? So now I've encroached into the study, 0:24:34.980 --> 0:24:36.859 and then we'll see if I get good enough to 0:24:36.900 --> 0:24:39.780 go out into the public areas. 0:24:39.820 --> 0:24:42.740 It's the harmony of your woodworking. You've got to get 0:24:42.780 --> 0:24:45.380 off the beach, Larry. You got to get off the beach. 0:24:45.780 --> 0:24:46.260 Right? 0:24:48.180 --> 0:24:51.780 Let me move to the last segment for this next segment, 0:24:51.780 --> 0:24:55.379 the redistricting wars. I've had lots of conversations over the 0:24:55.380 --> 0:24:58.540 last few weeks with many senior and not so senior people, 0:24:58.859 --> 0:25:01.180 and I think it'll all work out. It doesn't bother me. 0:25:01.180 --> 0:25:05.540 There's nothing unconstitutional with drawing lines to win partisan races. 0:25:05.740 --> 0:25:08.740 In fact, in the earlier Republic, they would redraw the 0:25:08.740 --> 0:25:12.580 lines every time a different party took control of the state. 0:25:12.740 --> 0:25:18.100 So redistricting does not bother me. But the court ruled finally, conclusively. 0:25:18.100 --> 0:25:21.060 You may not use race to award benefits or inflict 0:25:21.060 --> 0:25:23.780 penalties in the course of redistricting. It's that simple. That's 0:25:23.780 --> 0:25:27.580 the decision. I am not bothered by this, but I 0:25:27.580 --> 0:25:30.340 thought I would ask you, a student of political theory 0:25:30.340 --> 0:25:35.420 as well as American politics, whether rampant redistricting bothers you? 0:25:36.060 --> 0:25:41.659 Well, uh, yes and no. What's important is, uh, it's 0:25:41.660 --> 0:25:45.780 in the 63rd Federalist now. It's in the 51st Federalist. 0:25:46.060 --> 0:25:50.460 Madison says that the government has to, uh, represent the 0:25:50.460 --> 0:25:53.540 great body of the people. And so if we got 0:25:53.540 --> 0:25:57.100 an oligarchy, I mean, we talked about California earlier, uh, 0:25:57.460 --> 0:26:02.179 that they they got the election system cooked and, and 0:26:02.220 --> 0:26:07.300 it can't move with public opinion. That's very bad. Right. 0:26:07.619 --> 0:26:10.540 And right now we're in a divided country and elections 0:26:10.540 --> 0:26:15.050 are narrow and the Congress is narrow, which is one sign. 0:26:15.090 --> 0:26:18.770 It's a gross big general sign that it's not completely 0:26:18.770 --> 0:26:21.609 out of hand. The second thing I'll say about it 0:26:21.609 --> 0:26:28.090 is it is hallowed. It's called gerrymandering. Elbridge Gerry, that's 0:26:28.090 --> 0:26:31.290 how he said his name. Massachusetts politician. Correct. Delegate to 0:26:31.290 --> 0:26:35.449 the Constitutional Convention. Agreed to sign it only after the 0:26:35.450 --> 0:26:39.610 Bill of rights was introduced. Important man. He did it 0:26:39.609 --> 0:26:43.450 first in 1812 in Massachusetts. And he drew this district 0:26:43.450 --> 0:26:46.250 and it looked like a salamander. And so they renamed 0:26:46.250 --> 0:26:49.810 it a Gerry or gerrymander. And it's been going on 0:26:49.810 --> 0:26:54.850 in America ever since then. And and it could become 0:26:55.090 --> 0:27:00.649 an evil that would present prevent representation and you know, it. 0:27:00.690 --> 0:27:06.490 I read that it's carried so far to its farthest 0:27:06.490 --> 0:27:11.370 extreme in the blue states, but there's no statewide official 0:27:11.770 --> 0:27:16.370 or member of Congress from the Republican Party in Massachusetts. Correct. 0:27:16.410 --> 0:27:22.250 I think that's true. And, and so it's, uh, so yeah, it's, it, uh, 0:27:22.730 --> 0:27:26.090 and then there are these attempts to neutralize it, right? 0:27:26.130 --> 0:27:31.210 To make it nonpartisan and that those ones, what they, 0:27:31.410 --> 0:27:34.690 what I've always suspected there was a great guy who's 0:27:34.690 --> 0:27:37.410 an expert on this and sort of made his life 0:27:37.410 --> 0:27:41.970 around it. Alan Hislop was his name in Claremont, and 0:27:41.970 --> 0:27:44.850 he favored either a rules based system where you start 0:27:44.850 --> 0:27:46.570 up in one corner of the state, and all the 0:27:46.570 --> 0:27:50.650 districts have to be continuous and contiguous and compact, and 0:27:50.650 --> 0:27:53.210 you just draw across the state and see what you get. 0:27:53.490 --> 0:27:58.970 And the other is nonpartisan commissions, the nonpartisan commission way, way. 0:27:59.010 --> 0:28:05.930 It's very difficult to actually achieve that because it's partisan effort. Right? 0:28:06.210 --> 0:28:09.410 And so one of their techniques is to prevent is 0:28:09.410 --> 0:28:13.919 to pick judges to be on the commission and like 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.920 they're all nonpartisan or to pick academics to be on 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:23.520 the commissions, like they're all nonpartisan. So it's A and C, 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:27.440 you don't you know, I think one abiding idea I 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:32.440 have is that I'm against a overall centralized nationalized system. 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:37.120 In other words, spread it around and let the political 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:41.920 system move with movements of public opinion. And that's harder 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:45.440 now because we have to remember, if you're in 1812 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:50.640 or any time up until 1930, the government is consuming 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:54.800 and regulating no more than 12% of the gross domestic product. 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.320 And now it's more than half. And so the stakes 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.960 are enormous now. See, and that's why so much effort 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.880 and energy is poured into it. And why the party 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.920 that that increases partisan strife. 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:14.400 Well, it does increase, but the great sort of red 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.920 people moving to red states and blue people moving to 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:20.760 blue states has been ongoing and does not show to 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:25.720 me to be any signs of decelerating. Michigan remains one 0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:30.239 of the genuine swing states. Has it tilted one way 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.000 or the other decisively? And then we'll go to a break. 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:34.560 One minute Larry. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.800 It's still a swing state. We don't know how you know. 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:40.480 There's some good candidates for statewide office this year, and 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.920 we don't know how that's going to go. But they're competitive. Yeah. 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.000 It's and, you know, one of my friends who's the 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.760 gloomiest friend and you know, he's a very good guy. 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:55.080 He's very experienced in politics. And he said, Donald Trump 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:59.000 brings 5 million votes into electoral politics and he's not 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:03.720 on the ballot ever again. And so he that's sort 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.870 of a dispositive fact for him. I choose not to know. 0:30:08.430 --> 0:30:10.270 I choose not to know as well. I'll be right 0:30:10.270 --> 0:30:12.310 back with Doctor Ryan for the final segment of this 0:30:12.310 --> 0:30:16.270 week's Hillsdale dialogue. Stay tuned. Welcome back America. I wanted 0:30:16.270 --> 0:30:20.230 to finish today's Hillsdale dialogue by talking about Revolutionary America, 0:30:20.550 --> 0:30:24.950 which is the documentary that's in theaters again on June 5th. 0:30:24.950 --> 0:30:27.350 And I think on June 8th. You said doctor answer. 0:30:27.350 --> 0:30:31.630 That will be tonight and and on Tuesday night. And 0:30:31.630 --> 0:30:34.469 give us just a minute on why people ought to 0:30:34.470 --> 0:30:38.670 go and see this movie, Revolutionary America. It's a fathom event. 0:30:38.670 --> 0:30:41.030 So you got to find the theater, which it is showing, 0:30:41.030 --> 0:30:42.550 but it's across the United States. 0:30:42.990 --> 0:30:48.950 Uh, well, it's probably the best representation of revolutionary America 0:30:48.990 --> 0:30:51.910 ever made on film. And, you know, I, you know, 0:30:51.950 --> 0:30:56.110 I made it indirectly. Uh, people working for me made 0:30:56.110 --> 0:30:58.510 it and I'm in it. But I mean that for 0:30:58.510 --> 0:31:01.470 this reason, it shows two things about it. First of all, 0:31:01.910 --> 0:31:06.110 it encapsulates the history from 1763 until the passage of 0:31:06.110 --> 0:31:11.910 the Constitution beautifully in two hours. And its pace is awesome. And, uh, 0:31:12.590 --> 0:31:15.670 that's one thing. The second thing is you can't miss 0:31:15.670 --> 0:31:19.110 the sense because it's told in chronological order. You can't 0:31:19.110 --> 0:31:22.310 miss the sense that they thought they were going to 0:31:22.310 --> 0:31:26.950 be killed, let alone fail. And they were driven to it, 0:31:26.950 --> 0:31:30.790 and they just had adopted some principles, and they couldn't 0:31:30.790 --> 0:31:33.910 put up with the claim by the parliament and the 0:31:33.910 --> 0:31:37.790 king that we may govern you without being elected by 0:31:37.790 --> 0:31:43.550 you in all cases whatsoever. Right. That's just despotism, right? 0:31:43.830 --> 0:31:47.910 Never mind. What they did is mild compared to 20th 0:31:47.910 --> 0:31:53.350 century despotism, which is unfair. 21st century, which is, you know, totalitarian. 0:31:54.030 --> 0:31:57.670 The principle is there, isn't it? We can tax you 0:31:57.830 --> 0:32:00.790 and we can regulate your trade, and we can put 0:32:00.790 --> 0:32:04.260 our troops in your houses and we can arrest you 0:32:04.260 --> 0:32:06.540 and put you on a ship taking months to get 0:32:06.540 --> 0:32:09.660 to England, to be tried, not before a jury of 0:32:09.660 --> 0:32:15.420 your peers and our delegate, our designate, the governor's general. 0:32:15.700 --> 0:32:19.260 They can interfere with the legislature and the operation of 0:32:19.260 --> 0:32:22.660 the courts. So that's complete, right? That's what. And they were. 0:32:22.740 --> 0:32:25.940 And then how are we going to fight these guys? 0:32:25.940 --> 0:32:28.140 One of the points that I personally make in the 0:32:28.140 --> 0:32:32.460 film is there is no American who had ever moved 0:32:32.500 --> 0:32:35.580 a large body of troops under his command from one 0:32:35.580 --> 0:32:38.860 place to another, let alone deployed them in a battle. 0:32:39.180 --> 0:32:41.700 And the British were good at that, right? They were 0:32:41.740 --> 0:32:45.700 very experienced and very capable. Right. And then they had 0:32:45.700 --> 0:32:48.740 complete domination of the seas for most of the revolution. 0:32:48.740 --> 0:32:54.300 And so it looked hopeless. There's a great quote in it. 0:32:54.460 --> 0:32:58.500 One guy in and I remember which, who was a 0:32:58.500 --> 0:33:01.580 heavy man, said to a skinny man who was a delegate, 0:33:01.620 --> 0:33:05.020 who signed both signed the declaration. I had the advantage 0:33:05.020 --> 0:33:08.700 of you. When we are home. I will go quickly. 0:33:08.980 --> 0:33:13.660 You may dangle for hours. That's on the morning they 0:33:13.660 --> 0:33:15.100 went and signed the document. 0:33:15.260 --> 0:33:19.500 Anyway. Well, that is revolutionary America. It is in theaters tonight, 0:33:19.540 --> 0:33:21.780 near you. Go and find out where it is on 0:33:21.980 --> 0:33:25.220 on Fathom Events and again, I believe on Tuesday night. 0:33:25.660 --> 0:33:28.660 And we'll be back with the Hillsdale Dialogues next week. 0:33:28.700 --> 0:33:30.300 Doctor thank you doctor Larry Arnn. 0:33:34.220 --> 0:33:37.420 Thanks for listening to the Hillsdale Dialogues, part of the 0:33:37.420 --> 0:33:46.060 Hillsdale College Podcast Network. More episodes@podcast.hillsdale.edu or wherever you find 0:33:46.060 --> 0:33:52.180 your audio. For more information about Hillsdale College, head to hillsdale.edu.