WEBVTT - UL NO. 468 | TELOS Patterns, Apple 0-Day, Gumroad Replaces Developers with AI 0:00:00.740 --> 0:00:05.000 Unsupervised Learning is a podcast about trends and ideas in cybersecurity, 0:00:05.030 --> 0:00:10.010 national security, AI, technology and society, and how best to 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:17.600 upgrade ourselves to be ready for what's coming. All right, 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.090 welcome to Unsupervised Learning. This is Daniel Miessler, and we're 0:00:20.090 --> 0:00:22.849 going to start off with this really cool story from 0:00:22.850 --> 0:00:27.470 Reversing Labs. So basically what their team found was that 0:00:27.470 --> 0:00:34.130 it's possible to exploit local models on hugging face if 0:00:34.130 --> 0:00:38.420 they use the pickle format, which is used by TensorFlow models. 0:00:38.420 --> 0:00:41.210 So it's used by a lot of different models. And 0:00:41.210 --> 0:00:45.650 basically what pickle is, is it's a Python library for 0:00:45.650 --> 0:00:49.010 parsing model files. Essentially it's a parser, right? It's a 0:00:49.010 --> 0:00:52.580 parsing library. And everyone knows in security that parsing is 0:00:52.580 --> 0:00:56.060 the root of all evil. So what they figured out 0:00:56.060 --> 0:01:01.480 is that the scanning system, the security software for hugging 0:01:01.510 --> 0:01:06.160 face would basically break. If you get over a certain 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.369 size or if you have like a broken file. So 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.760 what they figured out is that somebody had actually embedded 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:17.920 malware in a couple of these models. And this kind 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.090 of breaks people's brains because you think essentially that if 0:01:22.090 --> 0:01:25.360 you're running a local model, it's safe, right? That that's 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.940 what everyone has been saying. If you run a local model, 0:01:27.940 --> 0:01:31.810 it's completely safe. It's the services that are dangerous, right. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.919 Like the deep seek service obviously that's in China, so 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.560 it's dangerous. But if it's a local model, it's fine. 0:01:38.650 --> 0:01:43.030 What they found was look, it's still software, right? Running 0:01:43.030 --> 0:01:45.940 a model is still software. You have a parsing library 0:01:45.940 --> 0:01:51.550 involved if it's a pickle file based model. And yeah, 0:01:51.580 --> 0:01:56.169 they were basically able to find malware inside of this 0:01:56.170 --> 0:01:59.380 thing that was trying to dial home. It was trying 0:01:59.380 --> 0:02:02.590 to dial home to an IP address inside of China. 0:02:02.590 --> 0:02:06.700 So really, really cool finding and it's going to be 0:02:06.700 --> 0:02:10.780 in the newsletter next week. But in the meantime, you 0:02:10.780 --> 0:02:14.410 can get it from this URL right here. They they're 0:02:14.410 --> 0:02:20.230 calling the attack nullify which is pretty good name. Nullify nullify. 0:02:20.230 --> 0:02:24.639 And yeah it nullifies I guess hugging face security. So 0:02:24.669 --> 0:02:28.329 yeah that was that was cool. All right. Continuing down here. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.450 Oh yeah. We did the augmented version three. We talked 0:02:31.450 --> 0:02:35.169 about Telos Files. This was last Friday. It was a 0:02:35.500 --> 0:02:38.680 great class. Best of the three. It was definitely the 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.650 best of the three courses in my opinion went a 0:02:41.650 --> 0:02:45.010 full four hours. It was quite good. The next one 0:02:45.010 --> 0:02:47.020 I think is going to be online, although I said 0:02:47.020 --> 0:02:49.180 that for the last one. Um, so it might be 0:02:49.180 --> 0:02:51.670 another live class but haven't announced that one yet, so 0:02:51.669 --> 0:02:54.100 don't worry about that. Um, going back to roots on 0:02:54.100 --> 0:02:56.950 the story format here. So I'm basically if a story 0:02:56.950 --> 0:03:00.300 is only one sentence, It's going to be one sentence. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.100 I went back and looked at a whole bunch of 0:03:02.100 --> 0:03:05.640 my old episodes where I just felt really comfortable with 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.910 doing that writing, and I was surprised at how short 0:03:08.940 --> 0:03:11.250 a lot of the things were. I would just be like, hey, yeah, 0:03:11.250 --> 0:03:13.860 this thing happened. I think it's kind of cool because 0:03:13.860 --> 0:03:18.150 of this reason. Boom, whatever. That's like 12 words or whatever. 0:03:18.180 --> 0:03:20.730 And I had a link in boom, that was it. 0:03:20.730 --> 0:03:23.580 And I'm just going to kind of go back to that. 0:03:23.580 --> 0:03:26.970 I've been so I focused, I want to write more 0:03:26.970 --> 0:03:30.179 because I could use AI to help with summarizing, but 0:03:30.210 --> 0:03:33.180 I want to focus more on manual writing of that 0:03:33.180 --> 0:03:36.330 first sentence and use the AI more to like, gather 0:03:36.330 --> 0:03:40.800 data and gather support and sources for the sentence that 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.500 I write myself, which I'm already writing a whole lot 0:03:43.530 --> 0:03:45.240 of the sentence, but I just want to start from 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.080 scratch and write the sentence completely myself, which is how 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.320 I was doing it, obviously going back to 2015. So 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.900 that's a little bit of a change there. Uh, put 0:03:54.900 --> 0:03:58.140 a bunch of new fabric patterns focusing on analyzing your 0:03:58.170 --> 0:04:01.290 Telos file. And this is part of the the the 0:04:01.290 --> 0:04:04.590 course just put out. And they all start with t underscore. 0:04:04.590 --> 0:04:07.830 So if you look for those patterns those are telos oriented. 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.250 Um yeah. Had some loud music in my raycast video. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.970 I'm re-uploading that I've been talking to the team about it. 0:04:14.970 --> 0:04:19.050 Sometimes you might hear in the podcast edit, you're never 0:04:19.050 --> 0:04:21.450 supposed to hear that the team is supposed to take 0:04:21.450 --> 0:04:24.900 that and edit that out, which is why I say 0:04:24.900 --> 0:04:27.870 the word. So I've had some talks with the team 0:04:27.870 --> 0:04:31.770 and they are working on fixing that. But apologies in 0:04:31.770 --> 0:04:34.620 the meantime. And yeah, I had some shenanigans with an 0:04:34.620 --> 0:04:37.890 automated post to my X account a few days ago, 0:04:37.890 --> 0:04:40.440 and it turns out it was like an automated like 0:04:40.470 --> 0:04:43.950 Twitter application that looks like it might have been compromised 0:04:43.950 --> 0:04:47.669 on the back end. Maybe it not sure exactly, but yeah, 0:04:47.700 --> 0:04:50.010 it was really kind of weird. And I got an 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.989 email out to the security team to see if they 0:04:51.990 --> 0:04:54.450 want to fix it. See, what have we got here? Um, 0:04:54.450 --> 0:04:59.789 someone's using 2.8 million. This is under security. 2.8 million IPS. 0:04:59.790 --> 0:05:02.370 To brute force the passwords of basically every type of 0:05:02.370 --> 0:05:05.520 VPN and firewall device out there, and most of the 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.219 IPS are in Brazil, but lots of other countries as well. 0:05:08.250 --> 0:05:11.250 Apple just patched another zero day that Citizens Lab says 0:05:11.250 --> 0:05:16.589 was being used in extremely sophisticated, targeted attacks against specific 0:05:16.589 --> 0:05:20.640 journalists and dissidents. Ken Wong from CSA released a detailed 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.080 framework called maestro. And the thing that this does, it's 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.979 a threat modeling framework, but it's specifically focused on AI agents, 0:05:28.980 --> 0:05:32.010 and it's addressing gaps in things like stride and pasta 0:05:32.010 --> 0:05:35.429 and other frameworks that just were pre AI. So they 0:05:35.430 --> 0:05:39.480 don't really handle AI that well. Uh, also uh, deals 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.830 with emerging threats like goal misalignment, model extraction, adversarial attacks, 0:05:43.830 --> 0:05:48.750 stuff like that. And researchers at Watchtower discovered 150 abandoned 0:05:48.779 --> 0:05:53.159 around 150 abandoned S3 buckets used by a whole bunch 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:58.150 of software companies like governments. Romance, various types of infrastructure pipelines. 0:05:58.150 --> 0:06:03.880 And the concern is if those S3 buckets and the artifacts, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.120 the assets inside of those S3 buckets are being consumed 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.940 as part of a pipeline, well, that's ripe for a 0:06:09.940 --> 0:06:13.330 supply chain attack. Cloudflare had a significant outage because someone 0:06:13.330 --> 0:06:16.630 tried to block a phishing URL, accidentally turned off their 0:06:16.630 --> 0:06:21.820 entire R2 storage, which R2 is basically S3. It's cloudflare's 0:06:21.820 --> 0:06:27.580 answer to S3. And yeah, Cloudflare always has really good postmortems, 0:06:27.580 --> 0:06:30.580 so you definitely want to check that one out. While 0:06:30.580 --> 0:06:34.420 ARM released a report on API security that includes a 0:06:34.420 --> 0:06:38.500 bunch of stats on AI services that use APIs, and 0:06:38.500 --> 0:06:40.720 the big takeaway for me, which I kind of already 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:45.640 believed is AI security right now is largely API security, 0:06:45.790 --> 0:06:51.130 and with the caveat being that it's AI API security, 0:06:51.130 --> 0:06:53.440 so that your API has to be strong because that's 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.570 like that's the parsing system for going into your application. 0:06:57.570 --> 0:07:00.090 But the added twist with AI is it's not only 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.680 API security, it's also whatever is being consumed through that API. 0:07:04.710 --> 0:07:08.010 You also have the problem of prompt injection. And prompt 0:07:08.010 --> 0:07:12.810 injection can like travel and like detonate multiple times or 0:07:12.810 --> 0:07:15.390 get stored and detonate later. It's kind of like a 0:07:15.390 --> 0:07:19.230 stored cross-site scripting type of vibe, except for it's even 0:07:19.230 --> 0:07:22.080 more nuanced because it's English and it can detonate at 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:28.890 multiple levels, and different parsers can detonate the content differently, right? 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.410 It could be that you have like a five layer 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:36.900 nested prompt injection attack, and maybe some systems peel off 0:07:36.900 --> 0:07:39.510 two of the layers, or some systems peel off only 0:07:39.510 --> 0:07:42.450 one of the layers. Some systems peel off four of 0:07:42.450 --> 0:07:46.020 the layers, but the fifth one gets through. So there's 0:07:46.020 --> 0:07:49.050 a lot of extra complexity because you're using English to 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:55.380 try to trick systems. But big, big focus, however, on 0:07:55.380 --> 0:07:59.940 AI security or API security with AI security. Ex-google engineers 0:07:59.940 --> 0:08:05.610 facing espionage charges for passing confidential IP to China, Estonia, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.060 Latvia and Lithuania just cut their last major tie to 0:08:09.090 --> 0:08:13.470 Russia by switching their power grids from Soviet era systems 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.010 to the European continental network. That is great to see 0:08:17.010 --> 0:08:21.690 that independence happening. And a bunch of Russian drone operators 0:08:21.690 --> 0:08:25.740 were attacked with kind of like that, um, Hezbollah attack 0:08:25.740 --> 0:08:29.730 where they attacked the pagers, but they were receiving booby 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.880 trapped headsets. But the problem was when they opened up 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.420 the packages which they were going to use, the packaging 0:08:36.420 --> 0:08:40.140 was not perfect. And because the packaging was not perfect, 0:08:40.350 --> 0:08:43.949 they they detected tampering and they were like, hey, something 0:08:43.980 --> 0:08:46.470 is weird here. And of course, they probably thought of 0:08:46.470 --> 0:08:49.770 the Hezbollah situation and they did not use them, but 0:08:49.770 --> 0:08:52.079 if they did, it could have been similar to like 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.280 the Hezbollah attack where a bunch of Russian drone operators 0:08:55.280 --> 0:09:01.370 get killed or injured from modified headsets. I in tech, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:05.839 Gumroad says they're no longer hiring junior or mid-level engineers 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.810 because AI is handling most of that work. Now, this 0:09:08.809 --> 0:09:11.720 is colossal. And also this is not an AI company. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:17.089 So Salesforce said something like this. But Salesforce also makes 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.170 agents for or what is that thing called agent Force 0:09:21.170 --> 0:09:23.630 or something like that. It's they have their own product. 0:09:23.630 --> 0:09:26.000 So when the head of Salesforce says, hey, you know, 0:09:26.030 --> 0:09:28.280 we don't even need engineers because our product is so 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:33.020 awesome that maybe it's true, maybe it's marketing. In this case, 0:09:33.020 --> 0:09:36.260 this is just a regular company. Gumroad they're saying they 0:09:36.290 --> 0:09:40.670 are not hiring junior or mid-level engineers anymore. The only 0:09:40.670 --> 0:09:44.990 people they're going to hire are senior people, senior devs, 0:09:44.990 --> 0:09:48.439 or senior architects who are really good with AI. I've 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.160 been saying this since very early 23, like February of 0:09:52.179 --> 0:09:55.059 23 and so have a lot of other people, right? 0:09:55.090 --> 0:09:57.370 I'm not the only one. It's it's kind of obvious 0:09:57.370 --> 0:09:59.890 where this is heading, right. And you get into a 0:09:59.890 --> 0:10:02.530 real big problem with like the pipeline. But at the 0:10:02.530 --> 0:10:05.950 same time this seems a little bit extreme. It seems 0:10:05.950 --> 0:10:10.209 like they might be overstating their case, because I do 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.960 know the current state of AI agents, and it's not 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.790 quite at the level of replacing fully replacing junior engineers. 0:10:19.150 --> 0:10:23.199 I don't know, in some tasks you can mid-level engineers? 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.080 I don't think so. I don't I don't think so. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:31.450 Not right now. Not in February of 25. Maybe in 0:10:31.450 --> 0:10:34.390 two months, maybe in six months, maybe in a year, 0:10:34.390 --> 0:10:39.670 maybe inside of 2025. Yes. And of course, the details 0:10:39.670 --> 0:10:42.490 are nuanced based on the use case, but I would 0:10:42.490 --> 0:10:49.360 say junior engineers maybe, but not quite. Mid-level engineers? No, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.200 and definitely not senior engineers. So I think this might 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.890 be a little bit padded, but, um, yeah, I would 0:10:56.890 --> 0:10:59.920 say there's a lot of daylight between these tools and 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:04.930 a human developer with 105 IQ. There really is there's 0:11:04.929 --> 0:11:07.000 a there's a lot of daylight between those two things 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.350 still in February of 25. So one of Chatgpt's main architects, 0:11:11.380 --> 0:11:15.609 John Schulman, left anthropic after only five months. And the 0:11:15.610 --> 0:11:20.020 rumor is he's going to join Mira at her AI startup. 0:11:20.020 --> 0:11:23.260 I'm not sure if that actually happened, but seems like 0:11:23.260 --> 0:11:26.620 a lot of people are leaving both anthropic and OpenAI 0:11:26.650 --> 0:11:30.069 to go work with Mira. Uh, new demo shows OpenAI 0:11:30.100 --> 0:11:37.060 assistant giving remarkably natural sales calls, handling objections and questions. Yeah, 0:11:37.059 --> 0:11:40.510 if you're a mediocre salesperson, you should be afraid. You 0:11:40.510 --> 0:11:45.010 should be afraid and either do something else or get not. Mediocre. 0:11:45.010 --> 0:11:49.360 Anthropic released an anthropic economic index report on how AI 0:11:49.390 --> 0:11:52.589 is being used in the workforce. They see 36% of 0:11:52.590 --> 0:11:56.850 people use AI for at least a quarter of their tasks. Interesting. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.120 Good report. I like the content coming out of anthropic. 0:12:00.150 --> 0:12:03.479 I feel like their their paper about like how we 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.260 view agents really good essays. I like the essay that 0:12:07.260 --> 0:12:12.420 came out from the CEO Dario. Yeah, I like the 0:12:12.420 --> 0:12:16.110 thought leadership that they're putting out in addition to their models, 0:12:16.110 --> 0:12:18.480 by the way. A new model is supposed to be 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.350 coming out from anthropic. I would have bet money that 0:12:22.350 --> 0:12:24.900 it would have been in January. Not a lot of money. 0:12:24.900 --> 0:12:29.640 I would have put it at 70 or 80% chance 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.640 of it being in January. So I am quite surprised 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:37.349 that they have not released a new model family, or 0:12:37.350 --> 0:12:41.820 just an update to sonnet or opus or haiku or whatever. 0:12:41.820 --> 0:12:44.670 I think they're probably going to do a big family upgrade, 0:12:44.670 --> 0:12:47.969 maybe even a new family. I think they're going to 0:12:47.970 --> 0:12:51.350 do something big, but I thought they would have wanted 0:12:51.350 --> 0:12:53.870 to do it in January, so I'm surprised that it's 0:12:53.870 --> 0:12:57.020 not out yet, but the rumor is basically that it 0:12:57.020 --> 0:12:59.300 is coming soon, maybe in the next couple of weeks. 0:12:59.330 --> 0:13:03.800 Lee Robinson says AI is finally enabling truly personal software, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:08.090 where people can build exactly what they need without extra bloat. 100% 0:13:08.090 --> 0:13:10.939 agreed their LinkedIn is testing an AI tool where you 0:13:10.940 --> 0:13:13.010 just talk to the interface about what you're looking for, 0:13:13.010 --> 0:13:15.890 and it returns results. Another way to say this is 0:13:15.890 --> 0:13:19.730 like LinkedIn is working on an interface that everyone's going 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.910 to have soon. Like so many people, especially developers are 0:13:22.910 --> 0:13:27.860 just talking to like cursor or to Visual Studio or 0:13:27.860 --> 0:13:30.740 to whatever AI tool. You just talk to it and 0:13:30.740 --> 0:13:32.929 it's like it figures out what you mean and it 0:13:32.929 --> 0:13:37.010 just starts working. All software is going to be like that, right? Um, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.160 in my opinion, you're going to be talking to your, uh, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.740 your own AI model and it's going to be the 0:13:42.740 --> 0:13:45.200 interface to this tool. But you could also talk to 0:13:45.230 --> 0:13:47.570 the tool directly in the meantime, because we don't have 0:13:47.570 --> 0:13:51.650 full Das yet. but it seems obvious that voice is 0:13:51.650 --> 0:13:54.500 going to become more and more of our interface to things. 0:13:54.770 --> 0:13:57.650 Because as nice as a keyboard is, and we'll still 0:13:57.650 --> 0:14:00.200 use the keyboard for some things, and some people will 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:05.000 prefer the keyboard, but it is friction compared to just talking, 0:14:05.030 --> 0:14:06.980 especially when there's lots of back and forth and stuff 0:14:06.980 --> 0:14:09.470 like that. Chick fil A is using drones to fly over, 0:14:09.470 --> 0:14:12.290 study and optimize their drive thrus, helping them achieve the 0:14:12.290 --> 0:14:16.580 highest per restaurant revenue in the US. So they got 0:14:16.580 --> 0:14:21.230 an aerial film studies unit, and it helped one location 0:14:21.230 --> 0:14:25.940 boost drive thru sales by 50% in 2022. So they've 0:14:25.940 --> 0:14:30.770 got a new Atlanta location serving 700 cars per hour. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.380 If you ever go there during a rush, it's like 0:14:33.380 --> 0:14:37.010 it disrupts traffic on the street outside. So now they 0:14:37.010 --> 0:14:40.850 got drones flying over like optimizing the thing. Mad respect 0:14:40.850 --> 0:14:42.980 to chick fil A. Mad respect to chick fil A. 0:14:43.010 --> 0:14:46.490 They're just like, yeah, they know how to run a business. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.920 Same with In-N-Out, right? Same kind of vibe. Like really 0:14:51.100 --> 0:14:55.240 focused on optimization. Apple's making a smart home display called 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:59.950 the home Pad. Basically a seven inch square display. Um, also, 0:14:59.950 --> 0:15:03.250 there's a big announcement coming out. When is it? The 19th. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.610 Apple is teasing some kind of big product. So it 0:15:06.610 --> 0:15:09.760 might actually be this might actually be this. It's like 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.360 a seven inch square display that you put different places 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.600 in the house. So it's like a touch display for 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.060 managing your, your home. So it could be that or 0:15:19.060 --> 0:15:21.070 it could be like a new surprise product. Not sure 0:15:21.070 --> 0:15:23.260 what that's going to be. Uber is in a weird 0:15:23.260 --> 0:15:27.790 spot because they're just the middleman between users and a 0:15:27.790 --> 0:15:31.210 service like Waymo. So if you're anywhere near San Francisco, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.280 you're coming to visit or you live there, you should 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:38.110 be using Waymo. Waymo is way better. Uber is just 0:15:38.140 --> 0:15:42.040 it's amazing. It's absolutely great. Car comes and picks you up. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.970 There's no driver. It's extremely safe. It's like the best 0:15:45.970 --> 0:15:50.170 driver you've ever seen. It's way better than a human 0:15:50.170 --> 0:15:53.710 Uber driver. Probably better than you as a driver or 0:15:53.710 --> 0:15:57.580 me as a driver. It's just extraordinarily high quality. And 0:15:57.580 --> 0:16:01.750 the question is, if Waymo gets big and becomes the 0:16:01.750 --> 0:16:04.540 big thing, why wouldn't you just have the Waymo app 0:16:04.540 --> 0:16:07.780 like I do? I don't I why would I use 0:16:07.810 --> 0:16:11.440 the Uber app to call Waymo? Now one answer is 0:16:11.620 --> 0:16:13.960 maybe I just want one app. And if it's the 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.990 same user experience or better, then I would use the 0:16:16.990 --> 0:16:19.239 one app. But the problem is if you have a 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.640 DoorDash app and you have a Waymo app, those are 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.360 direct lines into the thing. I will tell you the 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.570 answer though. I'll tell you the answer, which is going 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.690 to be one or 2 or 3 years out, which 0:16:31.690 --> 0:16:37.300 is you won't need any of those because your single interface, 0:16:37.300 --> 0:16:40.450 going back to the previous point, your single interface will 0:16:40.450 --> 0:16:44.500 be your Da, your digital assistant will be the single interface. 0:16:44.500 --> 0:16:48.360 So you won't be calling Waymo. This is what people 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.450 don't realize. This is the book that I wrote in 2016. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.120 I don't talk about the book enough. I should talk 0:16:54.150 --> 0:16:58.110 about it. I literally predicted this stuff in the book 0:16:58.140 --> 0:17:00.870 in 2016, which is why I wrote the book. It's 0:17:00.870 --> 0:17:03.840 kind of a crappy book, honestly. It's more like a 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.830 structured blog post. It's very short, but I literally wrote 0:17:07.830 --> 0:17:10.919 it down because I saw it so clearly, including the 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.220 AI stuff, including the Da stuff, and it just seems 0:17:14.220 --> 0:17:16.530 logical to me. It seemed logical to me then. It 0:17:16.530 --> 0:17:20.880 seems logical to me now. There won't be a Waymo app, 0:17:20.910 --> 0:17:23.850 or they there will be, but it will be a 0:17:23.850 --> 0:17:31.740 Waymo API. Companies become APIs, okay? Companies become APIs. That 0:17:31.740 --> 0:17:35.730 is what's going to happen. Waymo is just an API. 0:17:35.940 --> 0:17:39.719 Uber is just an API. If I go to the 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:45.450 corner and I have had a few Moscow mules with Tito's, 0:17:45.590 --> 0:17:49.250 Which is my go to drink, and, um, I'm not driving. 0:17:49.250 --> 0:17:50.659 My car is right there, but I'm not going to 0:17:50.660 --> 0:17:53.450 drive because I've had too much to drink, and, um, 0:17:53.570 --> 0:17:56.479 I need to go home. I'm going to say to 0:17:56.510 --> 0:17:59.750 my da, give me a ride home. It is then 0:17:59.750 --> 0:18:03.290 going to look at all the different services it's going. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.570 First of all, it might know that I have a preference, 0:18:05.570 --> 0:18:09.109 but anyway, it has all the different things available. All 0:18:09.109 --> 0:18:13.250 the cab companies have an API, Uber has an API, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.090 Waymo has an API. Maybe there's a competitor to Waymo, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.270 maybe it's BYD. Hopefully it isn't. But let's say there's 0:18:20.270 --> 0:18:24.169 a Chinese competitor. Oh, Tesla. Tesla will have an API 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.690 because there will be Tesla auto driving cars as well. 0:18:26.690 --> 0:18:30.080 So that's a competitor to Waymo. All these things have 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.220 an API. My Da knows my preferences. It knows what 0:18:34.220 --> 0:18:36.320 I like inside the car. It knows the cars that 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.800 I like. It knows when I got angry about an 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.670 experience before. It's judging all those things based on my 0:18:43.670 --> 0:18:47.859 current AI I state it's selecting from which one. Also, 0:18:47.859 --> 0:18:50.709 it could be which one can get to here the fastest. 0:18:50.710 --> 0:18:54.490 Maybe it's raining. Maybe I need a car immediately. And 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.090 a car is literally like 100ft away from me and 0:18:58.090 --> 0:19:01.450 it can pick me up in 30s. Maybe it selects that, 0:19:01.450 --> 0:19:05.440 but it makes the choice for me. I literally say 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.840 I literally walk out of the thing and I say, 0:19:07.900 --> 0:19:11.470 give me a ride home. And 28 seconds later, a 0:19:11.470 --> 0:19:15.100 car stops and opens up and says, hey, Daniel, um, 0:19:15.100 --> 0:19:17.890 I'm here to take you home. And it's an automated car. 0:19:17.890 --> 0:19:21.730 It's autonomous and it takes me home. I did not 0:19:21.730 --> 0:19:26.050 pick up my phone. I did not open an application. 0:19:26.050 --> 0:19:30.520 That is ridiculous. That is ridiculous. I will not be 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.780 opening apps. I will be talking to my da. My 0:19:34.810 --> 0:19:38.860 da is the proxy. It is my interface to the world. 0:19:38.859 --> 0:19:43.540 My da is looking around at San Francisco at the 0:19:43.540 --> 0:19:49.270 millions and millions of demons which are APIs for objects, 0:19:49.450 --> 0:19:53.530 including the objects which are businesses. It has the ability 0:19:53.530 --> 0:19:59.920 to see and read and interpret and manipulate and interface 0:19:59.920 --> 0:20:04.510 with all of those millions of APIs to create the 0:20:04.510 --> 0:20:07.869 best possible experience for me, which in this case involves 0:20:07.869 --> 0:20:11.889 getting me home quickly while not driving drunk. That's it. 0:20:12.369 --> 0:20:15.010 If you think about the future of AI and the 0:20:15.010 --> 0:20:18.370 future of tech, this is the biggest thing that nobody's 0:20:18.369 --> 0:20:20.620 talking about because they haven't figured it out yet. They 0:20:20.619 --> 0:20:23.110 just haven't figured this out yet. Like, it's I don't 0:20:23.109 --> 0:20:25.750 see anybody talking about it yet. I keep talking about 0:20:25.750 --> 0:20:27.640 it every once in a while, like I am now, 0:20:27.700 --> 0:20:30.100 but in a couple of years, people are going to 0:20:30.100 --> 0:20:32.590 be like, you know what? I tell you what? You know, 0:20:32.590 --> 0:20:35.169 it's going to be cool. Everything's going to have some 0:20:35.170 --> 0:20:40.210 sort of interface. And then the AI on the individual's 0:20:40.210 --> 0:20:44.700 device is going to interact with those services on behalf 0:20:44.700 --> 0:20:48.270 of the user. And I'm going to be like, yeah, yeah, 0:20:48.690 --> 0:20:51.359 that's exactly what's going to happen. And the next piece 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.280 on top of that, okay, I'm just going to pull 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.440 it up. The next piece on top of that is 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.100 going to be the interface. Okay. What's this thing called 0:20:59.190 --> 0:21:03.270 invoking raycast. Going to do this real quick. Digital assistants. 0:21:03.810 --> 0:21:08.760 Step one digital assistants are personal AIS know everything about 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.090 us and they are everything to us. That is our 0:21:12.090 --> 0:21:16.439 single interface. Then two everything gets an API, which is 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.619 a demon or an aura or an API. Whatever we 0:21:19.619 --> 0:21:21.990 want to call that, I will call it a demon 0:21:21.990 --> 0:21:26.460 for a person, which is Greek for soul. Three our 0:21:26.460 --> 0:21:29.760 Das will mediate everything. This is the point that I 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.220 was just making. We'll say what we want in our 0:21:32.250 --> 0:21:36.420 Das will manipulate external demons APIs to make it happen, 0:21:36.420 --> 0:21:42.090 for our Das will become our active advocates and defenders. 0:21:42.090 --> 0:21:46.730 They will actively monitor, filter and manipulate the world to 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:51.920 protect us, to advocate on our behalf. Okay. That's four. 0:21:51.950 --> 0:21:54.859 And millions of examples in here. You should definitely go 0:21:54.859 --> 0:21:56.990 read this one. I'll try to link to it somewhere. 0:21:56.990 --> 0:22:02.359 And five A thriving ecosystem of Da modules. These Da 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:07.070 modules are the APIs. The companies become the APIs. The 0:22:07.070 --> 0:22:10.490 companies are the APIs. The companies put themselves into the 0:22:10.490 --> 0:22:16.250 world via the APIs. Six AR interfaces show us the 0:22:16.250 --> 0:22:21.379 demons around us through an interface that our Da is 0:22:21.380 --> 0:22:26.030 providing us. So some companies will provide the filters through 0:22:26.060 --> 0:22:31.639 which we see the demons. So for example, this filter 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.540 that my Da is using, let's say it's from a 0:22:35.540 --> 0:22:41.900 company called chroma. Okay. This company called chroma displays people's 0:22:41.900 --> 0:22:46.160 demons in really cool, colorful ways. That's the only thing 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:50.899 this company does. So my Da knows that I like 0:22:50.900 --> 0:22:54.530 to use the chroma interface. So when I walk around 0:22:54.530 --> 0:22:58.159 and I see people's demons, this girl, for example, this 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:03.440 girl is super creative. She's hyper creative. And the chroma 0:23:03.470 --> 0:23:07.700 interface when it reads a demon. When my da reads 0:23:07.730 --> 0:23:11.270 a demon, it reads her demon. We're in a Starbucks. 0:23:11.270 --> 0:23:13.520 I look over at this girl. This is what I 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.590 see in my visor. This is what I see in 0:23:15.590 --> 0:23:18.830 my apple glasses, or my meta glasses or my Google glasses. 0:23:18.830 --> 0:23:22.580 Whatever the company is, this is what I see. I 0:23:22.580 --> 0:23:26.300 see this glowing fire around this girl and I'm like, 0:23:26.300 --> 0:23:29.480 Holy crap, she must be an artist. She must be 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:35.240 like a musician. She's like on fire with like, creativity. 0:23:35.300 --> 0:23:38.389 My Da knew that because it read the thing, but 0:23:38.390 --> 0:23:42.910 most importantly, it went through the filter of the chroma interface, 0:23:42.910 --> 0:23:46.120 and that's what made the display inside of my visual. 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:50.770 Inside of my. Ah, right. So some people don't want 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:52.960 to see this. They want to see a more tech version. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:54.940 They want to see a more minimalist version. They want 0:23:54.970 --> 0:24:00.580 to see a green outline for creative people or whatever. Right. 0:24:00.580 --> 0:24:07.960 So those filters are themselves separate companies with separate APIs 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.950 and software that run on the, ah, interface, etc.. Right. 0:24:11.950 --> 0:24:17.170 So it's all this giant marketplace of filters and demons 0:24:17.170 --> 0:24:20.860 and companies that are available to me. Right. And if 0:24:20.859 --> 0:24:22.990 I go back up here, look, this is where the 0:24:22.990 --> 0:24:26.139 the this is all the demons. I can't read that. 0:24:26.140 --> 0:24:29.200 That is millions of demons literally on the screen right now. 0:24:29.230 --> 0:24:31.659 I as a human cannot read this. My Da is 0:24:31.660 --> 0:24:35.800 reading it for me and advocating on my behalf. Right? 0:24:36.010 --> 0:24:39.040 So you have this giant ecosystem of these things. You 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.800 have the ah, R interface. Here's another way of viewing 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.899 a person. This is another way of viewing a person. 0:24:43.900 --> 0:24:48.220 This one I think it yeah, this is very human. 0:24:48.220 --> 0:24:51.340 This is somebody going through hard times. So if I 0:24:51.340 --> 0:24:54.340 look over and I see this on somebody, I'm going 0:24:54.369 --> 0:24:57.010 to be like, hey, can I buy this person a coffee? Hey, 0:24:57.010 --> 0:24:59.740 how are you doing? Like you're going through some shit. 0:24:59.770 --> 0:25:03.250 What's going on? Do you need somebody to talk to? Right. 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:08.290 But this is why I. And to me, and tech 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.959 is a human thing. I want to be able to 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.050 connect with this person. And maybe I should read it 0:25:14.050 --> 0:25:18.520 on their face. Right. But this is a public demon 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.790 that she's broadcasting, so she's allowing this to go out 0:25:21.790 --> 0:25:26.320 into the world. That life's messed up right now. So 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.179 I'm going to go say hi. Right. I'm going to 0:25:28.180 --> 0:25:29.919 go see if they need a friend. So these are 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.770 the different demon options. Look there's going to be a 0:25:32.770 --> 0:25:37.750 whole ecosystem around this. But anyway, I digress. Okay. Ted's 0:25:37.750 --> 0:25:40.500 Chris Anderson is looking for somebody to take over the 0:25:40.500 --> 0:25:44.040 entire Ted organization, and he's running the search like a 0:25:44.070 --> 0:25:49.080 Willy Wonka contest where anybody can apply. Interesting. Christie's is 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.109 doing their first AI only art auction, and it's a 0:25:52.109 --> 0:25:56.460 lot of traditional artists getting really mad about this. Yeah. Understandably, 0:25:56.460 --> 0:25:59.550 Google says they are getting rid of their diversity hiring 0:25:59.580 --> 0:26:03.480 targets for 24, saying it was positive discrimination, which yeah, 0:26:03.510 --> 0:26:07.649 it might technically be true. That is the purpose of 0:26:07.650 --> 0:26:12.510 affirmative action is because that particular group needs extra help. 0:26:12.510 --> 0:26:15.840 So I you got to keep in mind what Dei 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:20.220 is for. Like I agree, Dei has caused damage. It's 0:26:20.220 --> 0:26:23.489 it's been poorly implemented. The concept is not broken. The 0:26:23.490 --> 0:26:27.869 concept is great and we should still continue doing it. 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.020 I think what they are saying, I'm giving you a 0:26:31.020 --> 0:26:34.470 charitable reading here. What they're saying is that we're still 0:26:34.470 --> 0:26:37.650 doing Dei the correct way, which is we still want 0:26:37.650 --> 0:26:42.440 to hire everyone who's capable and who's best qualified for 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:46.610 the job, and we are absolutely looking for underrepresented groups 0:26:46.609 --> 0:26:51.260 to do that. What they are saying, charitable interpretation, again, 0:26:51.260 --> 0:26:54.740 is that we are not specifically going to say we 0:26:54.740 --> 0:27:00.230 must hire this many of this particular group, and we 0:27:00.230 --> 0:27:05.090 exclude other qualified candidates because they are not those groups. 0:27:05.090 --> 0:27:07.580 They are saying they are discarding that because they're getting 0:27:07.580 --> 0:27:09.800 sued over it. And it's not a good idea and 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.460 it's reverse discrimination and all of that. So the question 0:27:13.460 --> 0:27:16.070 is how does this look in a few years? Is 0:27:16.070 --> 0:27:21.380 it that they're actually getting rid of all Dei, all 0:27:21.410 --> 0:27:25.070 affirmative action and they're just using this as cover? Yeah. 0:27:25.070 --> 0:27:28.219 So here's here's my comment on this surprising not surprising 0:27:28.220 --> 0:27:32.780 that all these programs disappeared overnight on January 21st. What 0:27:32.780 --> 0:27:35.179 does that tell you? And like I say here, it 0:27:35.180 --> 0:27:37.490 tells me that they couldn't wait for a reason or 0:27:37.490 --> 0:27:40.489 opportunity to do this, so they've been wishing they could 0:27:40.490 --> 0:27:43.220 do it already. So what I'm hoping is it doesn't 0:27:43.220 --> 0:27:46.790 just get rid of all affirmative action, which like I said, 0:27:46.790 --> 0:27:49.850 the core concept is correct and we need to continue 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:54.110 doing it until we actually have equal opportunity, which we 0:27:54.109 --> 0:27:57.590 do not right now. Doctors are now a major client 0:27:57.590 --> 0:28:01.220 base for weight loss drugs like Ozempic. This link said 0:28:01.220 --> 0:28:04.790 something like 40% of doctors are on Ozempic. I like that, 0:28:04.790 --> 0:28:09.770 although few decades ago all doctors were smoking camels, so 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:14.780 doesn't necessarily mean it's perfect advice. New York City is. 0:28:14.780 --> 0:28:18.560 Subway crime dropped by 36% in January because they added 0:28:18.590 --> 0:28:24.140 1200 more police? Yeah, only 147 subway crimes in January 25th, 0:28:24.140 --> 0:28:28.370 compared to 231 in January. And they got 300 specifically 0:28:28.369 --> 0:28:33.230 for overnight trains. Love it. Yeah. More cops like it. 0:28:33.500 --> 0:28:37.240 Measles outbreak is hitting the least vaccinated parts of Texas, 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.020 with nine cases in an area where only 82% of 0:28:41.020 --> 0:28:45.910 kids are vaccinated. You actually need 95% for herd immunity. 0:28:46.030 --> 0:28:50.320 We're also in the worst flu season the last 15 years. But, uh, 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.050 but Covid was actually super annoying. So let's not talk 0:28:53.050 --> 0:28:57.190 about let's not talk about, uh, flu or pandemics or 0:28:57.190 --> 0:29:02.110 anything like that that could actually benefit humanity because Covid 0:29:02.110 --> 0:29:04.840 was annoying. I think that's a good policy. One of 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.080 my favorite thinkers, Robin Hanson, breaks down how different social 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:12.910 circles value different status markers. And specifically, he's looking at 0:29:12.910 --> 0:29:17.200 his own friend group and how people that he hangs 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.940 out with pursue and signal value. And he says most 0:29:21.940 --> 0:29:25.060 intellectuals that he knows are actually chasing fame and prestige. 0:29:25.060 --> 0:29:29.170 He's not talking about his core friends, his core friends. 0:29:29.380 --> 0:29:33.880 The highest sort of social status is two polymaths who 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:38.790 follow evidence across disciplines. That's who I like to hang 0:29:38.790 --> 0:29:41.220 out with, too. I think we should all like that. 0:29:41.310 --> 0:29:45.540 After 12 years of Walmart domination. Amazon just jumped ahead 0:29:45.540 --> 0:29:52.560 with 187.8 billion in quarterly revenue. Compared to Walmart's expected 0:29:52.590 --> 0:29:57.000 180 billion. So that's revenue. I'm curious about profit, but 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.370 not curious enough to look it up because why do 0:29:59.370 --> 0:30:03.120 I care? Ideas paralyzed by crisis I'm a bit paralyzed 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:06.930 by what's going on right now in politics and specifically 0:30:06.930 --> 0:30:11.280 with the government. I basically cycle between depressed, apathetic and 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.040 very angry. Did the government need to be audited and 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.920 cleaned up? Yes. Is the best way to start from 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:20.250 scratch and be aggressive with it? Possibly. Yeah, I'm kind 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.220 of excited about that. But you lose me when I 0:30:23.220 --> 0:30:27.000 don't see you being careful about the programs that matter. 0:30:27.030 --> 0:30:32.100 Like this whole. What was it? NCIS, NCIS. I didn't 0:30:32.100 --> 0:30:34.470 look into it. I get depressed about the stuff, so 0:30:34.470 --> 0:30:38.580 I just like I tune out. But there's no question 0:30:38.580 --> 0:30:41.730 to me that a bunch of that stuff was bad 0:30:41.730 --> 0:30:44.550 and needed to be removed. And there's also no question 0:30:44.550 --> 0:30:47.790 to me or for me that a bunch of stuff 0:30:47.790 --> 0:30:51.030 in there was actually really good and it wasn't very expensive, 0:30:51.030 --> 0:30:55.350 and you should not have turned it off. Right? So 0:30:55.350 --> 0:30:57.810 you lose me when you just throw everything out. And 0:30:57.810 --> 0:31:00.480 maybe they didn't do that. They're claiming that they're putting 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.020 everything on the Doge website and it's all public and 0:31:04.020 --> 0:31:06.870 it's all visible. I went and looked yesterday for the 0:31:06.870 --> 0:31:09.360 first time, because I couldn't bring myself to pull up 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:14.190 a government website called Doge, having lived through Dogecoin. So 0:31:14.190 --> 0:31:15.840 I'm just like, I don't want to go to that website. 0:31:15.870 --> 0:31:18.450 But anyway, I go there, it's dot gov. I don't know, 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.640 it looked like there might have been some data published. 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.280 I'll probably use AI to figure out if it's like 0:31:23.310 --> 0:31:27.719 actually publish if it's like legitimate transparency. I saw Elon 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.300 talk from the white House the other day on YouTube 0:31:30.300 --> 0:31:32.100 in the middle of the night, which I should have 0:31:32.100 --> 0:31:35.100 been going to sleep instead. But anyway, he looked honest 0:31:35.100 --> 0:31:38.190 about it. He looked like he was actually trying to 0:31:38.220 --> 0:31:40.440 uncover things and do the right thing, which is what 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.959 they were claiming they were doing. When I read the 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.110 media about it, it's like, oh, this is the Antichrist. 0:31:46.110 --> 0:31:49.260 I don't think Elon is good at lying. When I 0:31:49.260 --> 0:31:52.140 see him saying that he's trying to do the right 0:31:52.140 --> 0:31:55.050 thing and he's trying to uncover this stuff, and he's 0:31:55.050 --> 0:31:58.650 making it public. And this is exactly what they were 0:31:58.650 --> 0:32:02.760 elected to do. I agree with him. However, you add 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:08.100 in Nazi salutes, you add in his personality on X 0:32:08.100 --> 0:32:12.780 and how it's like slam dunk and like mean and rude. 0:32:12.780 --> 0:32:17.280 It doesn't rhyme with the authenticity. I just saw him 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:22.710 giving about trying to do this doge thing correctly. So 0:32:23.010 --> 0:32:25.620 I'm very torn on the whole thing. I'm very like, 0:32:25.650 --> 0:32:29.550 you know, how how much can I actually believe what 0:32:29.550 --> 0:32:32.910 I'm hearing right now from from him? Um, I do 0:32:32.950 --> 0:32:37.300 know that the media portrayal of it, I believe it's wrong. 0:32:37.330 --> 0:32:41.140 I believe he's they and a bunch of them and 0:32:41.140 --> 0:32:44.320 a bunch of them are pure garbage. It just outright 0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:48.219 pure garbage. I actually don't think Trump is nearly as 0:32:48.220 --> 0:32:49.959 bad as a lot of people around him, and I 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.330 don't think Elon is nearly as bad as a lot 0:32:52.330 --> 0:32:54.910 of the people around him. But at the same time, 0:32:54.910 --> 0:32:59.710 I can't fully trust Elon. And after the the Nazi 0:32:59.710 --> 0:33:03.160 salute stuff, honestly, I'm looking for a new car because 0:33:03.430 --> 0:33:05.560 I don't want to go political here. I already did, 0:33:05.590 --> 0:33:09.070 but I can't dig on Nazi salutes. I don't think 0:33:09.070 --> 0:33:12.580 he's anti-Semitic, which is why so many Jewish people still 0:33:12.580 --> 0:33:16.690 like him. He's very pro-Israel. He's very pro Jewish, very 0:33:16.690 --> 0:33:20.470 pro Jewish hostages. So I don't think he's anti-Semitic. Why 0:33:20.500 --> 0:33:23.500 are you doing Nazi salutes if you're not anti-Semitic? The 0:33:23.500 --> 0:33:28.690 answer is the answer is he's appealing to AfD about 0:33:28.690 --> 0:33:33.250 a culture war in Europe, and he's signaling to them 0:33:33.250 --> 0:33:37.210 that he's on their side. Problem is, it's a fucking 0:33:37.210 --> 0:33:43.630 Nazi salute that has implications that motivates neo-Nazis in the US, 0:33:43.660 --> 0:33:47.290 in Europe, all over the world. And it's not nuanced 0:33:47.290 --> 0:33:50.770 along the lines of like, oh, he's trolling and he's 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:55.720 actually not anti-Semitic. neo-Nazis are anti-Semitic. Hate to tell you. 0:33:56.170 --> 0:33:59.350 So very upset with him looking for a new car 0:33:59.350 --> 0:34:01.840 because of this. At the same time, I think the 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.709 narratives around what they're doing is pure evil. They're actually 0:34:05.710 --> 0:34:08.260 trying to ruin the country. They're going to go off 0:34:08.260 --> 0:34:11.890 their authoritarian. I don't think that's actually accurate. I think 0:34:11.890 --> 0:34:14.620 they're actually trying to do good inside of the government. 0:34:14.620 --> 0:34:17.830 This it's actually not the title of this little piece 0:34:17.830 --> 0:34:21.160 I'm doing right now. Um, it's actually one I'm must 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.380 not have published that one yet. I'm still working on it. 0:34:23.410 --> 0:34:28.540 This complexity, the ability to hold multiple conflicting things in 0:34:28.540 --> 0:34:31.649 your mind is a thing that I believe that we 0:34:31.650 --> 0:34:35.730 actually need my North Star. I guess I'm going here. 0:34:35.730 --> 0:34:39.180 I didn't plan on going here. My North Star is 0:34:39.180 --> 0:34:44.940 Star Trek the Next Generation. I want a multiracial, multicultural 0:34:44.940 --> 0:34:50.820 future in which everyone has equal opportunity to thrive. I 0:34:50.820 --> 0:34:55.530 believe in government programs. I believe in taxation. I believe 0:34:55.530 --> 0:35:00.000 it is society's purpose and responsibility to make sure that 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.660 everyone growing up and even into adulthood, if they didn't 0:35:03.660 --> 0:35:07.230 get this, they get the nurturing that they need to be, 0:35:07.230 --> 0:35:10.350 even with everyone else. Then they can launch. They can 0:35:10.350 --> 0:35:14.280 go to their the limits of their discipline, the limits 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:19.020 of their talent, the limits of their creativity, whatever. But 0:35:19.020 --> 0:35:22.500 you can't have certain groups get left behind and then 0:35:22.500 --> 0:35:26.219 just be like, oh, well, whatever. No, not whatever. If 0:35:26.250 --> 0:35:29.520 we are successful, it is our job to lift them. 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.970 That is what a society is. That is what a 0:35:31.969 --> 0:35:36.080 government is. That's what taxation is for. And if you 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.980 listen to somebody like Rogan, he was on with someone 0:35:39.980 --> 0:35:44.509 who I really disagree with right now about vaccines. Weinstein, 0:35:44.510 --> 0:35:48.560 one of the one of the Weinstein brothers. The other one, not, uh, 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:52.430 not Eric, his brother. Anyway, very much disagree. Very angry 0:35:52.430 --> 0:35:56.480 with him about vaccines, very much disagree with him about vaccines. 0:35:56.480 --> 0:36:00.980 And they, him and Joe, who are considered like extremely 0:36:00.980 --> 0:36:04.489 right at this point by all my very left friends, 0:36:04.489 --> 0:36:08.540 they are both like, we need government programs. We need 0:36:08.540 --> 0:36:12.230 those government programs to help people who need them. We 0:36:12.230 --> 0:36:16.490 cannot get rid of taxation. Taxation is great because it 0:36:16.489 --> 0:36:19.610 helps people lift up to the bottom. And I'm like, 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:24.379 see these people? Look, these people all used to be liberals, 0:36:24.380 --> 0:36:28.219 including Elon, including Joe. This is why I disagree with 0:36:28.219 --> 0:36:31.130 Harris and I might be wrong about this. I also 0:36:31.130 --> 0:36:35.060 disagree with my friend Marcus. Marcus Hutchins about this. He's 0:36:35.060 --> 0:36:37.850 very much in the camp of Sam Harris about this. 0:36:37.850 --> 0:36:41.630 And sorry, I ended up going very, very politics on 0:36:41.630 --> 0:36:44.149 this one. Feel free to skip ahead to the discovery 0:36:44.150 --> 0:36:46.879 section if you don't want to hear me, close this out. 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.060 But it's top of mind for me and I want 0:36:50.060 --> 0:36:56.180 to mention it. I want to rescue center people. I 0:36:56.210 --> 0:37:00.230 consider Elon a center person. I consider Joe a center person. 0:37:00.230 --> 0:37:03.980 I consider, well, Sam Harris is definitely a center person, 0:37:03.980 --> 0:37:08.270 but these people who I feel like have strayed and 0:37:08.270 --> 0:37:12.560 gone crazy with vaccines and like gone crazy with conspiracies. 0:37:12.710 --> 0:37:16.520 If they are still core liberal like I am, who 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:20.810 believe society's responsibility is to help everyone and lift them up, 0:37:20.810 --> 0:37:27.980 and they want to build a multiracial, multicultural future which 0:37:28.010 --> 0:37:31.810 also lifts people up and is humanistic in nature and 0:37:31.810 --> 0:37:37.600 is based on maximizing benefit for all of humanity. That 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.080 means there are liberal. That's why I am a liberal. 0:37:41.110 --> 0:37:45.640 If they believe that, then I will stick with them 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.540 through the nastiness of all this other crap. The moment 0:37:49.540 --> 0:37:53.140 I see, the moment I see that they are actually 0:37:53.140 --> 0:37:56.770 not going for that. And what they're actually going for 0:37:56.770 --> 0:38:03.160 is like a white race is better thing where it's like, 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.200 does it matter where you came from? It doesn't matter 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.130 what you get. Um, your identity is what matters more. 0:38:09.190 --> 0:38:12.280 Guess what? Those are the same on the far left 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.040 and the far right. It's most known on the far right. Right. 0:38:15.070 --> 0:38:17.859 You must be light skinned. You must be white. You 0:38:17.860 --> 0:38:20.890 must be whatever. You must be Jewish. You must be 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.610 whatever it is that they're obsessed with. They think that's 0:38:24.610 --> 0:38:27.130 the best one. And they think everything else should fall 0:38:27.130 --> 0:38:31.650 under that. That is that's a zero for me. That 0:38:31.650 --> 0:38:33.990 is a do not pass go if that is the 0:38:33.989 --> 0:38:36.330 world you are trying to build, I do not support 0:38:36.330 --> 0:38:39.210 you and I will not support you. So the reason 0:38:39.210 --> 0:38:44.160 I continue to support to some limited degree people like Joe, 0:38:44.190 --> 0:38:47.219 people like Elon, is because I believe they're going for 0:38:47.219 --> 0:38:49.410 the other one. They're going for the one that I'm 0:38:49.410 --> 0:38:53.009 going for, which is this mutual lifting up of everyone 0:38:53.010 --> 0:38:57.719 into a multiracial, multicultural future. And the moment they stop 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.420 supporting that, the more in anything they do that doesn't 0:39:00.420 --> 0:39:04.140 support that, I fight them on because I'm not confused 0:39:04.140 --> 0:39:07.469 about what my morals are. I'm not confused about my politics. 0:39:07.469 --> 0:39:10.739 They have not changed. They will not change. This is 0:39:10.739 --> 0:39:15.600 why I voted for Kamala, because somebody tried to change 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.650 the vote on vote verification day, and they're claiming that 0:39:19.650 --> 0:39:21.510 it's not a crime. I'm not cool with that. I 0:39:21.510 --> 0:39:25.170 can't vote for him. End of story. So all of 0:39:25.170 --> 0:39:30.060 this to say that complexity is required to make sense 0:39:30.060 --> 0:39:35.730 out of a complex world, right? There is criticism of 0:39:35.730 --> 0:39:39.780 people like myself who try to manage this complexity of like, 0:39:39.810 --> 0:39:45.630 looking at all sources and all claims and everything in 0:39:45.630 --> 0:39:48.990 like multiple levels and multiple layers and trying to find 0:39:48.989 --> 0:39:50.820 the good in it and trying to find the bad 0:39:50.820 --> 0:39:54.210 in it. People, there are people who say, and these 0:39:54.210 --> 0:39:57.029 are like my far left friends and my far right 0:39:57.030 --> 0:40:01.650 friends who are like, um, you're both sides. No, no, 0:40:01.650 --> 0:40:05.670 the world is both sides. Like, if you judged the 0:40:05.670 --> 0:40:09.960 actual deep moral character of everyone that you hang out 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.930 with based on the worst thing that they've done, you 0:40:12.930 --> 0:40:15.540 would not talk to anybody. You understand that? You would 0:40:15.540 --> 0:40:18.570 not talk to anybody. Like a lot of the people 0:40:18.570 --> 0:40:22.110 that we hang out with, they would become horrible people 0:40:22.110 --> 0:40:26.009 if they had the power of the people who have power. Right? 0:40:26.030 --> 0:40:29.299 And that's just reality. That's just like how the world works. 0:40:29.300 --> 0:40:33.710 So I think we should focus on and I talked 0:40:33.710 --> 0:40:36.710 about this somewhere else. I think we should focus on 0:40:36.710 --> 0:40:40.549 figuring out this person that you're talking about, this person 0:40:40.550 --> 0:40:44.450 that you are supporting, this person that you are criticizing, 0:40:44.450 --> 0:40:48.770 this person that you think is the Antichrist, whatever. Figure 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:52.430 out the ideal world that they are trying to build, 0:40:52.430 --> 0:40:55.550 then think about your world that you are trying to 0:40:55.550 --> 0:40:59.660 build and see how similar they are. I would argue 0:40:59.810 --> 0:41:04.279 if those two worlds are similar, then the work that 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.790 we need to do is to try to help them 0:41:07.790 --> 0:41:12.440 and help yourself muddle through the garbage, muddle through the 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:17.360 the chaos, muddle through the noise, muddle through the emotion, 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:21.380 whatever to get to this mutual place. And this is 0:41:21.380 --> 0:41:25.930 why I still support people who my friends on the 0:41:25.930 --> 0:41:30.310 far left have abandoned and completely abandoned a long time ago. 0:41:30.340 --> 0:41:34.030 I support them because I think, I think, and I 0:41:34.030 --> 0:41:36.609 could be wrong about this. And the moment I'm wrong 0:41:36.610 --> 0:41:40.060 about this, I switch to this fast. Okay. I think 0:41:40.060 --> 0:41:43.060 that the thing they are trying to build is very 0:41:43.060 --> 0:41:47.320 similar to the liberal thing that I want to build, 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:51.339 and I want to see happen. That's it. It's that simple. 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.340 If I think the world they are trying to build 0:41:54.340 --> 0:41:58.630 is this liberal world and that they are wrong about it, 0:41:58.630 --> 0:42:02.350 they are misguided about it. They don't know something. They're 0:42:02.350 --> 0:42:05.350 super dumb about a thing. I don't care about any 0:42:05.350 --> 0:42:07.690 of that. I care about what's inside of them. I 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:09.759 care about their soul. I care about what they're trying 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.220 to actually build. Right. So that's what I'm trying to 0:42:12.219 --> 0:42:17.020 figure out. This is why I am less worried about 0:42:17.050 --> 0:42:21.010 Trump now, because I see much more clear the thing 0:42:21.010 --> 0:42:23.920 that he's trying to build. It's actually not that bad. 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:28.120 I don't like the guy because he's an egomaniac and like, 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.150 half the things he says like, drive me absolutely crazy. 0:42:31.270 --> 0:42:34.600 And I think he's being influenced by Russia. I don't 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.600 think he's I don't think he's a Russian asset at all. 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:43.210 I don't think he's being, uh, directly manipulated by anyone 0:42:43.210 --> 0:42:47.860 at all. I think he's being side manipulated by narratives 0:42:47.860 --> 0:42:50.860 that are in his brain that could actually help people, 0:42:50.860 --> 0:42:54.520 that we don't want to help. But the point is, 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.029 I think he wants a world, first of all, and 0:42:58.030 --> 0:43:02.290 this is really a tangent, he actually wants less nuclear weapons. 0:43:02.290 --> 0:43:05.560 He wants peace time. The downside for this guy is 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:09.610 he wants a statue, and he wants people to stand 0:43:09.610 --> 0:43:11.650 up and salute when he walks in the room. The 0:43:11.650 --> 0:43:15.580 guy's he's a narcissist. Okay, but half the world is 0:43:15.610 --> 0:43:19.779 created by narcissists. If he's a narcissist who wants to 0:43:19.780 --> 0:43:26.190 build an amazing world where Literally the whole planet loves him. 0:43:26.219 --> 0:43:29.730 Does not fear him. He doesn't put everyone in jail. 0:43:29.730 --> 0:43:32.730 He doesn't kill everyone. He's not stalling. He's not Hitler. 0:43:32.730 --> 0:43:35.700 If that's the world he's trying to build, I'll take 0:43:35.700 --> 0:43:40.590 those floors. I will take those floors. He wants to denuclearize. 0:43:40.950 --> 0:43:43.590 He wants. He wants to, like, have all these countries 0:43:43.620 --> 0:43:46.980 get along. If that's the world he's actually trying to build. 0:43:46.980 --> 0:43:50.430 And I'm not sure of that. But if that is, 0:43:50.430 --> 0:43:53.490 then I put him in a much lower threat level. 0:43:53.489 --> 0:43:57.120 There are people around him in this administration who are 0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.549 not trying to build that world. They are trying to 0:43:59.550 --> 0:44:05.280 build something nasty, nasty, and they're using him and his, uh, 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:09.450 naive naivete to try to get what they want. And 0:44:09.450 --> 0:44:12.089 so when I find those people, I'm like, yeah, that's garbage. 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:16.560 Total garbage. Elon, I think he's going for a better version. 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:18.630 I think he's going for a good world. I think 0:44:18.630 --> 0:44:22.050 it rhymes in is very similar to mine. Very angry 0:44:22.050 --> 0:44:26.540 with what he's currently doing, his actual actions. Right. But 0:44:26.540 --> 0:44:29.689 if I find out that he's not trying to build 0:44:29.690 --> 0:44:32.960 that world, he's trying to build this other world, this 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:38.390 race centered one, or this inequality built one or whatever, 0:44:38.810 --> 0:44:41.690 that's it. I'm done with them. That's it. Right. That 0:44:41.690 --> 0:44:44.719 is that is how I operate in this world. And 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:48.290 I would recommend I would appeal to you, especially if 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:51.020 you're one of my friends on the left and also 0:44:51.020 --> 0:44:53.420 one of my friends on the right. Think about what 0:44:53.420 --> 0:44:57.230 they're trying to build and let everything else fade away. 0:44:57.260 --> 0:45:00.020 Let that be the center that you focus on in 0:45:00.020 --> 0:45:05.180 your political conversations. And don't let media or noise or distraction, 0:45:05.210 --> 0:45:08.330 you know, pull you away from that central conversation. What 0:45:08.330 --> 0:45:10.310 are we trying to build? How can we get there? 0:45:10.340 --> 0:45:14.420 And again, apologies for going into it is in the 0:45:14.420 --> 0:45:17.779 ideas section. So it's not in a news section, but uh, 0:45:17.870 --> 0:45:20.660 hopefully you didn't have to sit through that if you 0:45:20.660 --> 0:45:23.810 didn't want to hear here politics, but hopefully it's a 0:45:23.810 --> 0:45:26.810 good message that you got at the end. Moving on 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:31.279 to discovery Lmics. This is probably the coolest AI library 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.850 that you've never heard of. This thing abstracts your LLM 0:45:34.850 --> 0:45:38.480 calls to a universal config. So basically you have a 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:43.310 little piece of like JavaScript or JSON like config. And 0:45:43.310 --> 0:45:47.839 you can send this to any back end. It speaks 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.690 all the different AI back ends. Right. So you use 0:45:50.690 --> 0:45:52.910 this in like a proxy and like a lambda or 0:45:52.940 --> 0:45:56.120 like some sort of like AI function. So this is 0:45:56.120 --> 0:46:00.140 for people like myself who are building AI. But you 0:46:00.140 --> 0:46:05.150 don't have to write that code yourself. You have that 0:46:05.150 --> 0:46:11.150 thing implemented in this LLM X library, and then every 0:46:11.150 --> 0:46:14.660 single app that you build, every single component that you build, 0:46:14.660 --> 0:46:19.520 all these different multi-level, uh, agent systems and everything, they 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:23.259 all have prompts. They all have models. They all have 0:46:23.260 --> 0:46:27.279 configs being sent to the models. You do that in 0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:31.390 this tiny little piece of config. That's what gets sent 0:46:31.390 --> 0:46:36.910 to Lmax and it handles everything for you. And the 0:46:36.910 --> 0:46:40.180 return comes back in a super clean way. It's the 0:46:40.180 --> 0:46:43.450 coolest thing ever. It's from a friend of mine who 0:46:43.450 --> 0:46:46.720 put this out, and it's like not getting near the 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:50.200 coverage that it should get. You should absolutely check it out. 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:53.950 MTR this thing combines traceroute and ping. I put this 0:46:53.980 --> 0:46:56.740 in here every year or so. It's like a really 0:46:56.739 --> 0:47:00.490 cool utility. It combines traceroute and ping and shows you 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.399 connection quality between hops in real time. So it's just 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:07.870 a cool geeky tool. RPG Map Bundle collection of print 0:47:07.870 --> 0:47:12.130 and play RPG maps for your next role playing game. 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.080 Especially if you're doing like a one off and you 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.440 just need maps real quick. A blog and pure text files. 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.930 I think it's a cool idea. Just write however you 0:47:19.930 --> 0:47:24.089 do it. Science is a strong link problem. Very cool 0:47:24.090 --> 0:47:28.380 essay and a frustrated Redditor asks what career options exist 0:47:28.380 --> 0:47:32.250 for those who consider themselves less intelligent. I thought this 0:47:32.250 --> 0:47:36.600 was a really fascinating discussion on Reddit. Recommendation of the week. 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:40.410 Remember that there's only so much that one person can do. 0:47:40.530 --> 0:47:44.400 Good books are always there for you. Go to the classics. 0:47:44.550 --> 0:47:46.680 If you're wondering what to read because you don't want 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.830 to like current events or politics or anything to seep in. 0:47:49.860 --> 0:47:53.370 Go to the classics. Read the classics. Maybe not political ones, 0:47:53.370 --> 0:47:57.719 but tons of books. Books that are there to cradle 0:47:57.750 --> 0:48:02.280 you and save you and enrich you while you get 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:07.500 some needed separation from the shit show that is reality. 0:48:07.739 --> 0:48:12.570 And supplement this with journaling. Um. My friend Clint Gibler 0:48:12.570 --> 0:48:17.970 really has continually emphasized how important journaling is to him, 0:48:17.969 --> 0:48:22.480 and it's got me writing more journal entries, so I 0:48:22.510 --> 0:48:27.009 highly suggest that as well. Especially combined with separating and 0:48:27.010 --> 0:48:29.799 possibly reading good books, the good books will give you 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:33.610 ideas which you could also combine with your life experience 0:48:33.610 --> 0:48:36.520 and turn that into journaling. And the combination of the 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:40.810 two is really beneficial. And the aphorism of the week. 0:48:40.900 --> 0:48:44.710 It is one of the blessings of old friends that 0:48:44.710 --> 0:48:47.500 you can afford to be stupid with them. It is 0:48:47.500 --> 0:48:50.710 one of the blessings of old friends that you can 0:48:50.710 --> 0:48:56.259 afford to be stupid with them. Ralph Waldo Emerson. Unsupervised 0:48:56.260 --> 0:48:59.500 learning is produced on Hindenburg Pro using an SM seven 0:48:59.530 --> 0:49:03.280 B microphone. A video version of the podcast is available 0:49:03.310 --> 0:49:06.910 on the Unsupervised Learning YouTube channel, and the text version 0:49:06.910 --> 0:49:10.150 with full links and notes is available at Daniel Metzler 0:49:10.150 --> 0:49:13.750 Comm Slash newsletter. We'll see you next time.