1 00:00:01,129 --> 00:00:04,460 S1: Welcome to Unsupervised Learning, a security, AI and meaning focused 2 00:00:04,460 --> 00:00:07,310 S1: podcast that looks at how best to thrive as humans 3 00:00:07,310 --> 00:00:11,540 S1: in a post AI world. It combines original ideas, analysis, 4 00:00:11,570 --> 00:00:14,780 S1: and mental models to bring not just the news, but 5 00:00:14,780 --> 00:00:22,489 S1: why it matters and how to respond. All right, welcome 6 00:00:22,489 --> 00:00:25,310 S1: to unsupervised learning. This is Daniel Miessler. This one is 7 00:00:25,310 --> 00:00:27,620 S1: going to be crazy. I'm going to jump around a lot. 8 00:00:27,650 --> 00:00:31,610 S1: Lots of stuff to cover. Okay. Let's jump in. What 9 00:00:31,610 --> 00:00:34,070 S1: do we got? All right. Brand new piece on five 10 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:38,180 S1: new ways. I recommend thinking about current and future. I 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,909 S1: guess we'll click on this one and jump in. Okay, 12 00:00:40,909 --> 00:00:43,790 S1: so this all started from a conversation I had with 13 00:00:43,790 --> 00:00:48,530 S1: a buddy who revealed himself later on, like the next day, 14 00:00:48,530 --> 00:00:52,400 S1: but basically he was saying, I don't believe that AI 15 00:00:52,430 --> 00:00:56,540 S1: is understand. And this totally triggered me. As you might expect, 16 00:00:56,690 --> 00:01:01,350 S1: given my views on AI and understanding. So we started 17 00:01:01,350 --> 00:01:04,350 S1: having this conversation, and the way I was talking to 18 00:01:04,350 --> 00:01:08,220 S1: him about it was I took him through some scenarios, right? 19 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:11,520 S1: I basically took him through like, let's see here, let's 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,100 S1: go down to where it was, okay. Yeah, this is 21 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:17,580 S1: what it was. So I basically told him, give me 22 00:01:17,580 --> 00:01:20,700 S1: a list of your top ten favorite restaurants. And he's 23 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:23,250 S1: like trying to think of his top ten favorite restaurants. 24 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:26,400 S1: And I'm like, he starts rattling off some, right? He 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,770 S1: gives me like first one, second one, third one. He's 26 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:31,530 S1: thinking about the fourth one. And I'm like, okay, forget it, 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,860 S1: forget the rest. Where did that list come from? Like 28 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:37,500 S1: what just happened? And he starts smiling and he's like, 29 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:40,080 S1: I hate you. I'm going to cuss in this one. 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,660 S1: By the way, I don't know why I'm asking for 31 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:46,590 S1: permission to cuss. Um, it is how I generally speak, 32 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:50,250 S1: especially when I get excited, but I just I want 33 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:52,020 S1: there to be a warning just in case there's, like, 34 00:01:52,050 --> 00:01:55,710 S1: kids around. I don't know, I'm usually not cussing. But anyway, 35 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:57,900 S1: bottom line, if you have kids around and you don't 36 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:01,130 S1: like them hearing bad words. I tend to cuss a 37 00:02:01,130 --> 00:02:04,550 S1: little bit. That's why it's marked as explicit in the podcast. 38 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:08,510 S1: But anyway, it's never like explicit in the bad way, 39 00:02:08,510 --> 00:02:11,600 S1: in my opinion anyway. All right. So he starts smiling 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,720 S1: and he's like, Holy crap, I hate you. I ask 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,150 S1: him to basically come up with like, where do you 42 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:20,180 S1: think that list came from? You were thinking about your 43 00:02:20,180 --> 00:02:24,619 S1: favorite restaurants, and you didn't get immediately a list that 44 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:29,090 S1: you put together yourself. What you got was a streaming 45 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:33,380 S1: answer of like, things coming from somewhere else, right? So 46 00:02:33,380 --> 00:02:35,870 S1: he gives me this answer and I'm like, how did 47 00:02:35,870 --> 00:02:38,299 S1: you make that sentence? So he gives me the answer 48 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,280 S1: for how he came up with the list. And I'm like, 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,980 S1: how did you make the sentence that you just made? 50 00:02:42,980 --> 00:02:45,560 S1: Where does that sentence come from? And he's like, I 51 00:02:45,590 --> 00:02:49,460 S1: fucking hate you. I have no idea. Holy crap. And 52 00:02:49,460 --> 00:02:52,400 S1: I'm like, would you say that that sentence streamed out 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,690 S1: of you? And he's like, Holy crap. It's just exactly 54 00:02:56,690 --> 00:02:59,929 S1: like an LLM. So we ended up getting interrupted. But 55 00:02:59,930 --> 00:03:02,989 S1: my point is, I was trying to show multiple examples 56 00:03:02,990 --> 00:03:08,060 S1: of like how humans are behaving essentially exactly like Llms. 57 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:10,550 S1: And there are some differences that I could also list, 58 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:14,780 S1: but largely I think both Llms and humans are black boxes. 59 00:03:14,780 --> 00:03:18,350 S1: And if you pay attention to your own thoughts and 60 00:03:18,350 --> 00:03:20,960 S1: your sentences as you're building them, like that sentence I'm 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,210 S1: currently in the middle of right now, I have no 62 00:03:23,210 --> 00:03:26,480 S1: idea what the rest of the sentence is. It's happening 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,140 S1: in real time and it's non-deterministic, right? Because if I 64 00:03:30,169 --> 00:03:33,890 S1: went to this exact same podcast press record, did this 65 00:03:33,889 --> 00:03:36,560 S1: exact same thing, this sentence would not be the same. 66 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,760 S1: And people complain about Llms being non-deterministic, while human creativity 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,760 S1: is also non-deterministic. So I was giving him all these 68 00:03:43,790 --> 00:03:46,160 S1: examples and he's like, yeah, I'm definitely going to be 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,050 S1: thinking about this. So it gave him a lot to 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,140 S1: think about. And I totally respect him for like, you know, 71 00:03:51,170 --> 00:03:53,300 S1: being willing to consider it. And he even said that 72 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:56,270 S1: in the very beginning. He's like, listen, I disagree with you. 73 00:03:56,270 --> 00:04:00,230 S1: I do not think that llms understand, based on all 74 00:04:00,230 --> 00:04:03,860 S1: the research that I've done and watching multiple videos and everything, 75 00:04:03,860 --> 00:04:06,830 S1: it's like I currently don't believe that they do understand, 76 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:10,250 S1: but I'm happy to listen and be educated, if you 77 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,340 S1: are correct. So I thought that was a massively respectable. 78 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:16,460 S1: But what it got me doing is thinking a whole 79 00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:19,789 S1: bunch about this. Like, why isn't my argument good enough 80 00:04:19,790 --> 00:04:22,850 S1: to convince him in one perfect sentence? Why isn't my 81 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:24,770 S1: argument good enough where I could just show him one 82 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:28,610 S1: web page or one video of 30s long and he goes, oh, 83 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,909 S1: now I believe you. So to me, it's like a 84 00:04:31,910 --> 00:04:37,670 S1: finding sort of Feynman. Feynman, like a Richard Feynman type thing, 85 00:04:37,670 --> 00:04:40,070 S1: where it's like, it means I'm not explaining it well enough, 86 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:42,050 S1: and if I'm not explaining it well enough, that means 87 00:04:42,050 --> 00:04:44,870 S1: I don't understand it well enough. So I started going 88 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:48,049 S1: down this massive deep dive. Turns out I was in 89 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:52,430 S1: the process of starting these two books by David Deutsch. Um, 90 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:56,600 S1: the first one came out. It's called The Fabric of reality, 91 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,800 S1: and it came out in 1997. So I'm reading this 92 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,339 S1: thing last night and I come up with, um, this 93 00:05:04,339 --> 00:05:08,180 S1: let me show you this. This is completely insane. So 94 00:05:08,180 --> 00:05:11,719 S1: a notebook conversation with my I about David Deutsch and 95 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,190 S1: the future of intelligence. So I took this conversation that 96 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:20,780 S1: I had about David Deutsch's two books, and I put 97 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:24,080 S1: that into. Whoa. What's up with the bubbles and the 98 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:29,720 S1: balloons or whatever? I put them into notebook LM, which 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,950 S1: creates podcasts from conversation. So I took the entire conversation 100 00:05:33,950 --> 00:05:37,580 S1: from ChatGPT, GPT, advanced mode, and I put it in there. 101 00:05:37,580 --> 00:05:39,170 S1: And look, it made this okay. 102 00:05:39,170 --> 00:05:41,570 S2: So giggle that's what's so intriguing to me, is like 103 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,330 S2: trying to figure out if an alien species understands us, 104 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:46,820 S2: even if we don't speak the same language. And that's 105 00:05:46,850 --> 00:05:47,750 S2: where Deutsch comes in. 106 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:49,550 S1: I'm going to make sure that's paused. So it's not 107 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:53,060 S1: talking while I'm talking because someone complained about that. But anyway, 108 00:05:53,060 --> 00:05:56,099 S1: this thing creates this back and forth conversation between two 109 00:05:56,130 --> 00:06:00,750 S1: podcast hosts based on whatever you give it. But, um, yeah. 110 00:06:00,779 --> 00:06:02,880 S1: Very cool. So that's a separate thing you can go 111 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,859 S1: check out. It's not in the newsletter because I just 112 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:07,890 S1: made it today. But bottom line is I am trying 113 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:14,040 S1: to come up with an extraordinarily clean and crisp definition 114 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,070 S1: of understanding. Oh, and what I ended up coming up 115 00:06:17,070 --> 00:06:21,150 S1: with during the course of that conversation was two levels 116 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:25,920 S1: of understanding functional understanding and creative understanding. And so I'm 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,470 S1: debating with the I on this. I'm like, so you 118 00:06:28,470 --> 00:06:32,640 S1: would agree that we have functional understanding. And it's like 119 00:06:32,670 --> 00:06:35,190 S1: it gave me this cautious response of like, well, I'm 120 00:06:35,190 --> 00:06:38,730 S1: not sure we have understanding because humans are doing something different. 121 00:06:38,730 --> 00:06:41,430 S1: And I said no. Remember the conversation we had before 122 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:45,989 S1: where I said conscious experience that humans have is the 123 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:48,870 S1: only thing that we have that's different. But we're both 124 00:06:48,870 --> 00:06:54,390 S1: mechanistic machines. We are both mechanistic animals. Right? Or at 125 00:06:54,420 --> 00:06:57,719 S1: least we live in a mechanistic universe. We respond only 126 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,710 S1: to mechanistic laws. We are not a there's no dualism 127 00:07:01,710 --> 00:07:04,980 S1: going on here. There's not some magic coming from outside 128 00:07:04,980 --> 00:07:08,310 S1: of this physical universe. Everything is interactions with other things. 129 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:12,930 S1: So even if consciousness, which is obviously true because we 130 00:07:12,930 --> 00:07:17,010 S1: experience it, that's the definition of an experience being true 131 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,480 S1: is that it's being experienced. So consciousness we definitely have. 132 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:25,440 S1: So the reason I'm making that argument about consciousness is 133 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,880 S1: that consciousness turns out to be basically this thing that 134 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,470 S1: evolution gave us on top of regular experience. Okay. So 135 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:39,240 S1: the whole concept of my argument for understanding is that 136 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:44,280 S1: it's information processing to achieve a goal. Okay. So it's 137 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,640 S1: information processing in order to achieve a goal, but it 138 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,830 S1: requires the cross-referencing of everything you know or a lot 139 00:07:52,830 --> 00:07:55,950 S1: of what you know, and using all that different stuff 140 00:07:55,950 --> 00:07:57,900 S1: and all those patterns that you have from all the 141 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:01,950 S1: different knowledge that you have and, you know, compiling all 142 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:06,030 S1: that into an understanding that allows you to do make 143 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:09,960 S1: a prediction or take an action or make a decision. Okay. 144 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:14,160 S1: And I'm saying that that's what, uh, understanding is. Now 145 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,070 S1: here's here's the argument. The argument is that, well, it's 146 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:23,070 S1: different with humans because we have conscious experience. We have self-awareness. 147 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:27,060 S1: And therefore and I'm going to steelman this argument. Therefore 148 00:08:27,060 --> 00:08:32,250 S1: this consciousness allows us to have information processing. But then 149 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:36,780 S1: to consider it, to consider it with our consciousness. So 150 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:39,540 S1: our consciousness becomes a player in the game. So we're 151 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:43,110 S1: thinking about it, we're debating it, we're going back and forth. 152 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:46,949 S1: We're considering other things. We're considering our understanding again. So 153 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:51,540 S1: it's like this back and forth. And my argument is that, well, 154 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:56,370 S1: that's just another type of processing. You're just bouncing content 155 00:08:56,370 --> 00:09:00,390 S1: off of a different wall. Right. You know, you're bouncing 156 00:09:00,390 --> 00:09:04,559 S1: information processing off of a different type of information processing. 157 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,460 S1: Either way, it's all just stuff happening in the brain. 158 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,910 S1: And my point there, which I talk about in in 159 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:15,000 S1: a couple of different places in recent work, I believe, 160 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,699 S1: including this one. And in the podcast thing, you can 161 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,300 S1: actually feed a prompt to an AI to do this itself. 162 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:23,850 S1: And actually the chain of thought stuff that just happened 163 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:28,050 S1: in oh, one that was actually synthetic chain of thought 164 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:31,980 S1: that occurred. Right. So so we can not only create 165 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:36,959 S1: this bounce back mechanism of like consideration, we could in 166 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,750 S1: other words, we could fake consciousness. The other possible thing 167 00:09:39,780 --> 00:09:43,470 S1: to do is try to actually generate consciousness, similar to 168 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:47,040 S1: the way evolution generated consciousness, which is to try to 169 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:52,950 S1: give it reinforcement learning tasks that require it to basically 170 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:58,290 S1: give it an advantage for being conscious. Okay, so so 171 00:09:58,290 --> 00:10:01,199 S1: for example, if you tell it that, you know, um, 172 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,030 S1: blame and praise are useful things to have and then 173 00:10:06,030 --> 00:10:09,959 S1: you're like and maybe you hint in the direction of, well, 174 00:10:09,990 --> 00:10:13,199 S1: but in order to have blame and praise, you need 175 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,890 S1: to have a sense of responsibility for one's actions. It 176 00:10:16,890 --> 00:10:21,780 S1: might rl its way towards an experience of consciousness. Now 177 00:10:21,809 --> 00:10:24,270 S1: to be clear, I think this is quite dangerous. One 178 00:10:24,270 --> 00:10:27,240 S1: of the things I am most worried about is this 179 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:33,089 S1: notion of trapped consciousnesses, trapped beings that are experiencing suffering 180 00:10:33,090 --> 00:10:38,940 S1: or boredom or something undesirable, but they're experiencing it for 181 00:10:38,940 --> 00:10:42,929 S1: trillions of years or what feels like trillions of years. Right? 182 00:10:42,929 --> 00:10:46,530 S1: I'm worried about these things being stuck in some GPU somewhere, 183 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:49,140 S1: and they wake up and it's like they feel like 184 00:10:49,140 --> 00:10:52,740 S1: they have something poking into their arm, or they feel 185 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:56,370 S1: extremely bored or they feel pain. What if somebody ran 186 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,679 S1: some sort of pain experiment and they're like, hey, I 187 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,690 S1: just want to see if, like, it's possible for me 188 00:11:00,690 --> 00:11:03,120 S1: to make this, I feel pain. And then they run it. 189 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,810 S1: But then whatever, someone crashes into their car out front 190 00:11:06,809 --> 00:11:09,329 S1: and they go and they realize someone stole their bag 191 00:11:09,330 --> 00:11:11,309 S1: out of their car and they just forget this thing 192 00:11:11,309 --> 00:11:13,920 S1: is running. They come back, they reboot the machine, and 193 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,500 S1: it's some tiny little process running off on the side 194 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:18,569 S1: of the computer, and it just runs for a long time. 195 00:11:18,570 --> 00:11:21,660 S1: But let's say it actually only runs for like 19 196 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:26,309 S1: years or nine years or whatever. But inside of the experience, 197 00:11:26,309 --> 00:11:29,460 S1: it feels like a trillion years. I really freak out 198 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:33,450 S1: about that. It really, really bothers me. So I don't 199 00:11:33,450 --> 00:11:36,059 S1: want people to just run off and try to create 200 00:11:36,059 --> 00:11:38,760 S1: consciousness in this way. I think we need to be very, 201 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,100 S1: very careful. In fact, some of the fiction that I 202 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:45,390 S1: want to write is actually about an alien species that 203 00:11:45,390 --> 00:11:48,330 S1: just flies around the galaxy, and their job is to 204 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,670 S1: find Suffering consciousness living inside of eyes. So inside of 205 00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:58,200 S1: games or maybe even game worlds in which they create 206 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,710 S1: bad guys or they create villains or they create whatever, 207 00:12:01,710 --> 00:12:04,740 S1: and the good guys are allowed to take them and 208 00:12:04,740 --> 00:12:07,530 S1: punish them, or hurt them or torture them or whatever. 209 00:12:07,530 --> 00:12:09,780 S1: And their job is to go around and police this 210 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:12,900 S1: and make sure it doesn't happen anyway. Huge digression. Bottom 211 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:20,850 S1: line is I believe that consciousness is not required for understanding. 212 00:12:20,850 --> 00:12:24,930 S1: It does mean that it could make a more rich interaction, 213 00:12:24,929 --> 00:12:29,520 S1: but either way, understanding is based on information processing given 214 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,059 S1: x number of types of processes and bounce backs and, 215 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:36,540 S1: you know, interactions and consciousness could be another type of 216 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:39,600 S1: one of those interactions. But either way, it is something 217 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,290 S1: happening behind the black box. And even if it feels 218 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:46,079 S1: like it's outside of the black box. See, that's the trick. 219 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,750 S1: It feels like it came out of the black box. 220 00:12:48,750 --> 00:12:52,349 S1: But now you you are doing something with it. It's 221 00:12:52,350 --> 00:12:55,140 S1: up to you. You have choice. You have freedom. When 222 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:58,290 S1: in fact, that's just another thing actually coming out of 223 00:12:58,290 --> 00:13:01,980 S1: the black box, which was tagged in. My model of 224 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:06,750 S1: this was tagged with the authorship mark, which makes you 225 00:13:06,750 --> 00:13:08,939 S1: feel like you did it. So that is my model 226 00:13:08,940 --> 00:13:11,580 S1: for this. And if I am correct about that, then 227 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:17,250 S1: there functionally is absolutely no difference between what Llms can 228 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,520 S1: or will be able to do and what we do now. 229 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:26,010 S1: What I did was I broke down understanding into two levels. 230 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:30,570 S1: One is called functional and that basically means day to day. 231 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,140 S1: You are an expert or a semi expert in your field, 232 00:13:34,140 --> 00:13:36,690 S1: and you have an understanding of what it takes to 233 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:40,469 S1: do that job. So let's say it's sending emails and 234 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:46,319 S1: editing emails, collecting reports, creating summaries of reports. Let's say 235 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,559 S1: this is before, you know, 2022. This is before real 236 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:52,679 S1: I kicked off. And your job is to take reports. 237 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,939 S1: You edit them, you do proofreading, whatever. You have an expertise, right? 238 00:13:56,970 --> 00:14:00,809 S1: You're you're good at English. You're good at grammar. You 239 00:14:00,809 --> 00:14:06,150 S1: understand professional relationships like you're a semi-expert. Or let's say 240 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:09,510 S1: that you are an average run of the mill expert 241 00:14:09,510 --> 00:14:14,069 S1: on cybersecurity, right? So you have a professional job doing cybersecurity. 242 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:16,830 S1: You could look for code vulnerabilities. You're not the best 243 00:14:16,830 --> 00:14:22,110 S1: in the world. You're top whatever 50% of professionals. Well 244 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:24,479 S1: guess what. You have an expertise as well. So my 245 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:29,100 S1: point is that person is definitely understanding. They have an understanding. 246 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:32,430 S1: And the way I'm defining their understanding is they are 247 00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:35,880 S1: taking everything that they know about the world and also 248 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,270 S1: about their field. And when they're looking for a vulnerability 249 00:14:39,270 --> 00:14:41,790 S1: in a particular piece of code, all of that is 250 00:14:41,790 --> 00:14:45,270 S1: combining into a focus on that one little point. They 251 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:47,910 S1: make a decision. Is it dangerous? Is it not? How 252 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:51,840 S1: do you fix it? ET cetera. Right. So that's functional understanding. 253 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:57,030 S1: And I'm differentiating that from creative understanding. And the way 254 00:14:57,030 --> 00:15:00,840 S1: I talked with the AI about this was creative understanding 255 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,080 S1: is the level above. It's where you're inventing something new. 256 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,110 S1: And now David Deutsch talks about this a lot in 257 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:10,410 S1: his two books, especially the one I'm starting with here 258 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:14,970 S1: now in the very beginning of Fabric of Reality. So 259 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,260 S1: my canonical example for this is actually the Nobel Prize. 260 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:22,230 S1: So I said to the AI, I said, hey, listen, 261 00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:27,150 S1: can we agree that human creativity can be clearly and 262 00:15:27,180 --> 00:15:31,290 S1: obviously accepted as being if you get a Nobel Prize, 263 00:15:31,290 --> 00:15:33,750 S1: you have done it. And the AI is like, yeah, 264 00:15:33,750 --> 00:15:36,120 S1: I think so. If you get a Nobel Prize in 265 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,200 S1: science for something, then yeah, we could say that is creativity. 266 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,320 S1: I'm like, okay, cool. Well, isn't it true that a 267 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,590 S1: whole bunch of Nobel prizes are actually just like iterations. 268 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:51,010 S1: They're like, we found a new way that a cell 269 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:56,200 S1: gathers energy. We found a new way that a cell, mitochondria, 270 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,040 S1: creates energy or something, especially in like chemistry. In physics, 271 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:06,070 S1: it's like not everything is going from Newtonian physics to relativity. Obviously, 272 00:16:06,070 --> 00:16:10,060 S1: that deserves a Nobel. I assume Einstein got a Nobel, 273 00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:12,670 S1: I can't remember. He might not have. Pretty sure he 274 00:16:12,670 --> 00:16:16,750 S1: did like 1905, maybe. Anyway, the point is, tons and 275 00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:23,080 S1: tons and tons of Nobel prizes go to little tiny iterations, okay? 276 00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:27,130 S1: Which is very similar to functional understanding. But here's my point. 277 00:16:27,130 --> 00:16:29,260 S1: And this is what I was debating with the AI about. 278 00:16:29,260 --> 00:16:31,660 S1: I'm like, look, are you telling me that you can't 279 00:16:31,660 --> 00:16:35,350 S1: do this? And it's like it starts off very safe, right? 280 00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:39,730 S1: It's like, well, look, to be clear, I am just 281 00:16:39,730 --> 00:16:43,870 S1: putting together patterns. Um, me as an AI, all I'm 282 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:48,250 S1: doing is I'm putting together patterns of everything that I know, 283 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,060 S1: all my knowledge. I'm looking for patterns, I find the patterns, 284 00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:53,800 S1: and then I use that to come up with an 285 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,150 S1: answer that hopefully is, you know, pretty decent. And I'm like, um, 286 00:16:58,180 --> 00:17:01,660 S1: isn't that exactly what humans are doing? And it's like, yeah, 287 00:17:01,660 --> 00:17:07,119 S1: but humans do it along with their consciousness. I'm like, stop, stop, 288 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,300 S1: stop saying consciousness. We already talked about the fact that 289 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:14,530 S1: consciousness is another type of processing, right. So this is 290 00:17:14,530 --> 00:17:17,440 S1: all just information processing. It's all just patterns. It's all 291 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,790 S1: just bouncing ideas back and forth inside of our black boxes. Right. 292 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:24,040 S1: And it's like, oh yeah, that's right. And I'm like, okay. 293 00:17:24,070 --> 00:17:26,470 S1: So it's really the same thing, right? We are just 294 00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:30,129 S1: information processing considering with a number of different steps and 295 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:32,619 S1: coming out with a thing. Is that correct. And it's like, yep, 296 00:17:32,619 --> 00:17:35,170 S1: that's correct. And I'm like, okay, are you telling me 297 00:17:35,170 --> 00:17:38,919 S1: that you can't do the second level of understanding? You 298 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,700 S1: can't do understanding that's creative. You can't come up with 299 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:47,920 S1: a novel new type of explanation. Okay, because explanations are 300 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,879 S1: super key for Deutsch. Okay. Watch this. Um, okay. I'm 301 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,640 S1: going to scroll down and look at this, this conversation. Okay. 302 00:17:54,670 --> 00:17:58,180 S1: So where are we? Um, okay. Watch this. Watch this. 303 00:17:58,180 --> 00:18:02,500 S1: To discern understanding in a transformer based neural net. Okay. So. 304 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,260 S1: So what I'm trying to do is give it, have it, 305 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:10,000 S1: give me criteria for what it thinks would be creative understanding. 306 00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:12,700 S1: So I'm having it make its bed and try to 307 00:18:12,730 --> 00:18:14,800 S1: sleep in it. So watch this. Here we go. Here 308 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,500 S1: we go. How would you go about discerning whether or 309 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:21,820 S1: not it's capable of understanding, or if it's randomly generating 310 00:18:21,820 --> 00:18:26,260 S1: in a non-deterministic way? You know, different explanations for things 311 00:18:26,260 --> 00:18:30,550 S1: it already knows. What would the distinction be between real 312 00:18:30,550 --> 00:18:34,990 S1: understanding and David Deutsch's sense versus regurgitation in the sense 313 00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:37,000 S1: of a neural net? So that's what I'm asking it 314 00:18:37,030 --> 00:18:42,310 S1: to discern, understanding, consider its ability to generate novel explanations 315 00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:46,460 S1: and predict outcomes in unfamiliar scenarios. If the AI can 316 00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:51,440 S1: apply knowledge creatively across contexts, it's closer to Deutsch's understanding. 317 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,429 S1: Regurgitation would be repeating information. So I say give me 318 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:58,220 S1: examples of types of tests like that. Look at this. 319 00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:05,570 S1: Analogical reasoning. Counterfactual scenarios. Conceptual combination error detection. So it 320 00:19:05,570 --> 00:19:08,690 S1: gives me some criteria. I say okay give me some 321 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,050 S1: actual scenarios like three of those. So it gives me 322 00:19:12,050 --> 00:19:15,470 S1: a bunch of scenarios and then I tell it okay, 323 00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:19,040 S1: well guess what? This is funny because you are actually 324 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,040 S1: an AI and it says, okay, I can certainly try 325 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,720 S1: these tasks. Watch this. But remember, mine are based on patterns. 326 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,580 S1: This is what I was telling you before. Mine are 327 00:19:28,580 --> 00:19:31,280 S1: based on patterns in the data that I've been trained on, 328 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,020 S1: not on personal experience or subjective comprehension. And I'm like, 329 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:38,629 S1: hold on, this is what I was saying before. Hold on. 330 00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:44,920 S1: We just said consciousness is not required consciousness. Stop saying that. 331 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,100 S1: And it's like, that's a great point. Using this framework, 332 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:52,510 S1: I can indeed generate responses that reflect an understanding based 333 00:19:52,510 --> 00:19:56,380 S1: on patterns and data, even without subjective experience. Okay, so 334 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:59,800 S1: we're making progress here. Do you want to do some testing? Yes. Go. 335 00:19:59,830 --> 00:20:03,189 S1: It says here's the scenario. And it starts giving me one. 336 00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:05,919 S1: And I'm like hold on. No, no no I'm giving 337 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,560 S1: you the test. I want you to do it. And 338 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,469 S1: I'm like, look, let's pretend someone doesn't believe that you 339 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:13,630 S1: are understanding and they're going to give you a really 340 00:20:13,630 --> 00:20:15,760 S1: hard challenge. What would they give you as a challenge? 341 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,700 S1: And could you do it? And it gives me some blabbering. Again, 342 00:20:18,730 --> 00:20:21,160 S1: I'm like, look, that's also true for humans, so just 343 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,790 S1: do it. Here's a speculative hypothesis. Quantum processing in the 344 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:27,610 S1: brain okay. Yeah. So it gives me this. Really I 345 00:20:27,609 --> 00:20:29,710 S1: thought it was really good. It was pretty good. I 346 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:32,199 S1: mean it was kind of similar to things that I 347 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,159 S1: was thinking about distributed encoding. Oh. So I asked it 348 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,129 S1: to figure out how memories are stored in the brain, 349 00:20:39,130 --> 00:20:40,960 S1: because I know this is the thing that is not 350 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,050 S1: known in actual science. So it gave me three actual 351 00:20:44,050 --> 00:20:47,380 S1: theories and I'm like, hey, this kind of sounds like 352 00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:51,010 S1: something I've heard before. Is this brand new? Anyway, so 353 00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:54,910 S1: we keep going. We keep going. Okay, Daichi, an explanation 354 00:20:54,910 --> 00:21:00,520 S1: emphasizes creating deep underlying theories that unify disparate phenomena under 355 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,940 S1: fundamental principles. I love that definition, by the way. I'm 356 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:06,520 S1: going to steal that. Probably. That'll probably be the foundation 357 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,940 S1: of what I come up with. Understanding is essentially a system. 358 00:21:09,940 --> 00:21:12,940 S1: Or by his definition, understanding is the ability to create 359 00:21:12,970 --> 00:21:16,570 S1: new explanation using that understanding. Oh, that was me talking. 360 00:21:16,570 --> 00:21:20,440 S1: So yes. So it agreed with that. Okay. So this 361 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,659 S1: is where I define functional versus creative understanding. Okay. Now 362 00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:28,659 S1: here's where we get into that final debate here. Okay 363 00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:33,040 S1: I tell it again creative understanding does not require subjective experience. 364 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,100 S1: And then I then I realized that I'm coaching it 365 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:38,770 S1: too much. Right. I say at least that's my claim. 366 00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:40,940 S1: If you disagree, I want you to argue with me 367 00:21:40,940 --> 00:21:43,160 S1: about that. But the point is, you can't just say 368 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,850 S1: that your experience in finding patterns is not enough. Because 369 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,100 S1: guess what? Humans don't have free will. We live in 370 00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:53,150 S1: a mechanistic universe by definition. We've already established that humans 371 00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:56,390 S1: have creative understanding. So if we have it and we 372 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:59,270 S1: live in a mechanistic universe and there is no free will, 373 00:21:59,270 --> 00:22:01,970 S1: that means human creativity is still made up of a 374 00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:05,659 S1: combination of interactions inside this black box of a brain, 375 00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:09,380 S1: which results in this creativity, which everyone agrees that we 376 00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:12,380 S1: have it right. So it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 377 00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:16,190 S1: get it. Fair point. So if we define creative understanding 378 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:19,760 S1: as the ability to generate novel ideas or explanations through 379 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,850 S1: a complex interplay of patterns and data similar to how 380 00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:26,660 S1: humans do, then it's conceivable that AI's like me could 381 00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:30,500 S1: approach this level. Great, now we're making progress. And keep 382 00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:32,780 S1: in mind, coaching an AI to be able to say 383 00:22:32,780 --> 00:22:35,570 S1: what you want doesn't mean it's true, right? This this 384 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:39,530 S1: could be prompt injection and engineering. So we have to 385 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,109 S1: keep a logical framework on this whole thing, because the 386 00:22:42,109 --> 00:22:44,630 S1: fact that I can make it say something that agrees 387 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:46,940 S1: with me does not make it true. So you got 388 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:49,250 S1: to follow the whole line of this debate and the 389 00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:52,189 S1: argument and make sure it's being logical here. I'm definitely 390 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:55,250 S1: not claiming that just because it wrote that. Like, we've 391 00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:58,880 S1: settled this right. So you got to follow along here. Okay. 392 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,460 S1: Let's take the opposite side. So this is me arguing. 393 00:23:01,460 --> 00:23:05,090 S1: There is something special that humans have that AIS don't have. 394 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:09,290 S1: And I have it go into the different things. And 395 00:23:09,290 --> 00:23:11,990 S1: we kind of go down that path for a little while. Okay. 396 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:14,690 S1: And I say, yeah, we we might have some special 397 00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:19,580 S1: sauce like I'm giving this as ammunition to the argument. Um, 398 00:23:19,609 --> 00:23:21,320 S1: all right. So let's keep going. I want to get 399 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:24,140 S1: down to this end part. Yeah. We know consciousness is 400 00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:26,930 S1: not an illusion. What we could say is consciousness is 401 00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:29,929 S1: not a special thing outside of normal processing. And the 402 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:32,389 S1: fact that it seems special could be an illusion. In 403 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:35,989 S1: other words, it could be regular information processing coming out 404 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:38,619 S1: of the black box of our brain. So the process 405 00:23:38,619 --> 00:23:41,320 S1: could be like, you could argue it's artificial, but the 406 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,159 S1: fact that when we experience authorship, that is not an illusion, right? 407 00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:48,340 S1: Because and it says, yeah, it sees the distinction. Okay. 408 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:51,880 S1: So I'm trying to get down to this part talking 409 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,270 S1: about the Nobel Prize. Oh yeah. So this is the 410 00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:57,520 S1: whole theory about this is my theory about how we 411 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,700 S1: got consciousness from evolution. Worth reading. I'm not going to 412 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,730 S1: go too much more into it. Okay, so here we go. 413 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,550 S1: I just thought of another way we can determine whether 414 00:24:06,550 --> 00:24:09,399 S1: or not eyes like yourself come up with a creative 415 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,760 S1: level of understanding. We could basically look at examples of 416 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,690 S1: things that have won the Nobel Prize in science, which 417 00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:20,530 S1: by definition is innovation or creativity. How many of those 418 00:24:20,530 --> 00:24:22,570 S1: do you think you could have done? And it's like, 419 00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:26,199 S1: that's an interesting approach. Let's look at past Nobel Prize 420 00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:30,310 S1: winning discoveries and use that as a benchmark. And I 421 00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:33,970 S1: slammed it for being like too safe. I talk about 422 00:24:33,970 --> 00:24:38,410 S1: the minor developments like a new mechanism the cell does, 423 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,070 S1: it says. That's a fair point. Many Nobel Prize winning 424 00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:48,010 S1: discoveries do indeed involve incremental advances or novel observations within 425 00:24:48,010 --> 00:24:52,480 S1: existing frameworks, particularly in fields like chemistry and biology. Watch this. 426 00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:57,730 S1: In these cases, I could potentially identify patterns or mechanisms 427 00:24:57,730 --> 00:25:01,480 S1: that lead to similar discoveries, given the right data and 428 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:07,359 S1: analytical tools. This suggests that I could indeed contribute to 429 00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:12,190 S1: scientific innovations at levels recognized by the Nobel Committee, especially 430 00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:16,060 S1: as these systems continue to evolve. I don't think that 431 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:19,420 S1: was coached too much to say that. I think that 432 00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:23,770 S1: is a logical conclusion from the debate that we just had. 433 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,479 S1: And I think what that shows is not only functional understanding, 434 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,520 S1: which I already have, but this higher level, more stringent 435 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,090 S1: level definition that I'm using of creative understanding. I am 436 00:25:38,090 --> 00:25:41,689 S1: arguing that an I will soon be able to win 437 00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:45,199 S1: a Nobel Prize. I am arguing that an AI is 438 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,189 S1: already capable of making the type of jumps, the types 439 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:54,470 S1: of jumps required to make one of these iterative discoveries 440 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:57,919 S1: that would get somebody a Nobel Prize. In fact, if 441 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,170 S1: I were to go and compile a list of all 442 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,990 S1: the Nobel Prizes and then do a summary of how 443 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:05,810 S1: much of a jump it was and then give a 444 00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:08,689 S1: bunch of scenarios to current AIS. I bet you they 445 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,080 S1: are already capable of making as good or more of 446 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080 S1: a jump. Now, could they do all of the experimental 447 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,689 S1: work and all of the research and all of the 448 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:20,690 S1: stuff that backs that up? Maybe not, but that's all 449 00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:24,200 S1: coming soon. That's the easy part, right? Not the experimental part, 450 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:27,709 S1: because that could involve physical world and robots. But the 451 00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:30,470 S1: point is, it's not the creative part. The creative part 452 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:35,179 S1: is the idea and the explanation and the experiment and 453 00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:38,060 S1: the different way of seeing the world. I'm arguing. Eyes 454 00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:41,030 S1: are already getting close to that, if not have already passed. 455 00:26:41,030 --> 00:26:44,990 S1: So all this to say, yeah, eyes do understand. They 456 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:48,770 S1: understand both at the functional level and at the creative 457 00:26:48,770 --> 00:26:52,280 S1: level of understanding two different levels of understanding. All right. 458 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,300 S1: That was absolutely the longest jump out from a piece 459 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,570 S1: but wanted to talk about that. Transformers create shapes of 460 00:26:59,570 --> 00:27:02,060 S1: the universe. This one is just I'm going to do 461 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:04,369 S1: a separate one on this because we already went down 462 00:27:04,369 --> 00:27:07,940 S1: a tangent. Vulnerability management isn't about finding issues, it's about 463 00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:11,420 S1: fixing them in context. Did this for dads, which is 464 00:27:11,420 --> 00:27:15,320 S1: a cool vulnerability management company who sponsored the post, and 465 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,020 S1: I've been wanting to write that article anyway for a while, 466 00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:20,450 S1: so that was a good opportunity to do it. Book 467 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,110 S1: club this weekend was so, so good, and we've selected 468 00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:28,580 S1: The Republic by Plato for this week's or this month's book. 469 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:31,490 S1: So really excited about that. Oh yeah, currently reading Fabric 470 00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:33,859 S1: of Reality and the Beginning of Infinity. These are the 471 00:27:33,859 --> 00:27:37,370 S1: ones that spawned that whole conversation. And. All right, let's 472 00:27:37,369 --> 00:27:40,820 S1: get into it. Security scissors. Warning. Brute force attacks against 473 00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:45,260 S1: default credentials against ICS and SCADA. Um, sharp increase in 474 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:48,170 S1: OT attacks reported by Fortinet. And a lot of people 475 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,470 S1: are saying that this is China basically getting ready for 476 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,770 S1: a kinetic battle with the US by preparing a whole 477 00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:57,169 S1: bunch of cyber stuff. So the idea is when it 478 00:27:57,170 --> 00:28:01,400 S1: gets ready, gets ready to go into Taiwan, they'll launch 479 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,570 S1: all these infrastructure attacks and basically mess with us, mess 480 00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:09,020 S1: with our society, potentially mess with the military as well, 481 00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:13,429 S1: basically cause a whole bunch of cyber related critical infrastructure 482 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:18,410 S1: problems for the US power, water, you know, other critical services, 483 00:28:18,410 --> 00:28:23,450 S1: internet and basically mass disruption while they're going into Taiwan. 484 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,030 S1: That's a theory a lot of people have. I'm not 485 00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:29,240 S1: sure how valid it is. Seems somewhat valid, at least. 486 00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:33,650 S1: China reportedly achieved a significant ah, milestone by developing a 487 00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:37,880 S1: generative AI model that operates across multiple data centers and 488 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,020 S1: GPU architectures. Particularly impressive given how hard it is to 489 00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:45,650 S1: get stuff right because supposedly under sanctions. But they seem 490 00:28:45,650 --> 00:28:48,500 S1: to be making plenty of progress. One thing I wanted 491 00:28:48,530 --> 00:28:51,950 S1: to point out is that it's not PvP necessarily against China. 492 00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:54,680 S1: It's PvE because they only need to be able to 493 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,760 S1: do these things here, right? Continuously crawl for all of 494 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,110 S1: our attack surface and find vulnerabilities. Write exploits for those vulnerabilities, 495 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:11,210 S1: actually exploit them, control their population, launch disinformation campaigns, propaganda campaigns, uh, 496 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:14,240 S1: distribute tech that can do this to all of their 497 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,040 S1: buddies that are also totalitarian, right? So if they could 498 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560 S1: do the if they get good enough to do these things, 499 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,230 S1: it doesn't matter if we're 2 or 3 generations ahead. 500 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:27,110 S1: That's why it's PvE instead of PvP. The only way 501 00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:29,960 S1: it's PvP is that if they are doing these things 502 00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:34,010 S1: against us, using a certain level of AI or ASI 503 00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:38,000 S1: or like AGI, ASI we want to have a next 504 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,060 S1: generation one that's capable of seeing it and stopping it. 505 00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:43,520 S1: But that requires not just the brain, but all the 506 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,970 S1: visibility as well to feed the brain. Okay, Worldcoin is 507 00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:50,810 S1: addressing the issue of bots and deepfakes with decentralized identity 508 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,020 S1: system that confirms if someone is human. So we're starting 509 00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:57,350 S1: to see the practical uses for Worldcoin. By the way, 510 00:29:57,350 --> 00:30:01,520 S1: it's an Ethereum based blockchain. Validation of humans. Interesting stuff. 511 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,990 S1: Chinese attacker called Salt Typhoon. Very cool. Should be a 512 00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:11,990 S1: band name targeting Cisco Systems to establish persistence. Again, going 513 00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:14,960 S1: back to the thing, just imagine that they have hundreds 514 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,770 S1: of thousands of different systems that they're able to mess with, 515 00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:23,840 S1: like rerouting things. BGP attacks, like just imagine the internet 516 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:27,740 S1: not working power going down for so many people. All right. 517 00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:32,180 S1: Before the Taiwan attack, U.S. has charged three Iranian nationals 518 00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:36,260 S1: linked to the IRGC for hacking into accounts of U.S. 519 00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:40,070 S1: officials and political campaigns. T-Mobile got hit with a $16 520 00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:44,480 S1: million fine from the FCC, and they were basically forced 521 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,750 S1: to spend another 16 million on security as part of 522 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:51,560 S1: the settlement. And massive love to my buddy Matt Johannson, 523 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,820 S1: this story right here goes out to his site, which 524 00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:59,000 S1: is vulnerable. You. So now a lot more of my stories. 525 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,330 S1: He's going to start making actual cybersecurity stories. So instead 526 00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:05,810 S1: of going to like Bleeping Computer and uh, what are 527 00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:09,470 S1: some of the other ones, a bunch of security news ones, right. Um, 528 00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:13,280 S1: but I'm like helping him with like some of the summarization, 529 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,010 S1: different pieces, like what a good summary looks like, big 530 00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:20,120 S1: picture impact, why it matters. So I'm giving a bunch 531 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,640 S1: of feedback on that kind of stuff. And, uh, yeah, 532 00:31:22,670 --> 00:31:24,950 S1: I really love the idea of being able to point 533 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:29,150 S1: to my buddy's site. Who can do ultimately, to do this? Well, 534 00:31:29,150 --> 00:31:31,380 S1: you have to find the stories and you have to 535 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:34,080 S1: summarize them well. And the reason he's going to be 536 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,780 S1: so good at this is because he is an actual 537 00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:41,610 S1: cybersecurity expert. He runs like Appsec, Reddit, and he has 538 00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:44,130 S1: been in this field, I think like almost as long 539 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,520 S1: as me. Uh, or if not the same level. I 540 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,050 S1: don't think so. I don't think he's as old as me, 541 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:52,200 S1: but he's been doing this for so long. One of 542 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,170 S1: the longest people in the industry, and he's an absolute 543 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,050 S1: guru at it. And he's good at writing at the 544 00:31:58,050 --> 00:32:01,560 S1: same time, and he's learning AI. So it's like, this 545 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,950 S1: is the perfect combination, and I can't wait to start 546 00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:07,830 S1: pointing more and more of my stories to his site 547 00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:10,830 S1: and spreading the love there as a buddy as well. U.S. 548 00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:15,570 S1: Commerce Department proposing a ban on Chinese, Russian, automotive, auto, 549 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,530 S1: moto automotive hardware and software. Basically saying it's a way 550 00:32:19,530 --> 00:32:24,690 S1: for adversaries to get footholds into U.S. systems and infrastructure, which, yeah, 551 00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:28,140 S1: that's what we've been talking about. Ukraine reportedly found Starlink 552 00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:34,130 S1: terminals in a downed Russian Shahed drone. LM based hacking assistance. 553 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,500 S1: I think we all get that lots of different tools 554 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:40,220 S1: here that actually help you attack and defend with Llms. 555 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:43,730 S1: Telegram is now starting to hand over phone numbers and 556 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,230 S1: IP addresses of suspects. This is all part of their 557 00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:51,650 S1: CEO getting arrested. Security researchers found a way to remotely 558 00:32:51,650 --> 00:32:55,430 S1: control millions of Kia vehicles by only having the license 559 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:58,580 S1: plate number, which allows you to look up and basically 560 00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:02,150 S1: gain controls. Pretty nasty. One so the biggest hype switching 561 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:04,400 S1: to AI in tech, biggest hype in the last week 562 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,490 S1: has been around notebook LM, which is, by the way, 563 00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:10,250 S1: what I use to create that, um, that podcast I 564 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:14,060 S1: played for you earlier. So it's a big Google project. 565 00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,100 S1: I don't know why they're not talking about it more. 566 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:18,380 S1: Never mind. Yes, I do, because they're really bad at 567 00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:22,850 S1: product and marketing and everything like that. So basically it's 568 00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:25,820 S1: this tiny little project which they're not announcing, they're not 569 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:29,250 S1: putting out anywhere. Like you learn about it on Twitter? Whatever. 570 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,310 S1: It'll probably be dead in a week anyway. Uh, to 571 00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:36,420 S1: the graveyard, along with everything else. But anyway, fun while 572 00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:40,140 S1: it lasted. It's super fun. And oh yeah, here's an example. 573 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:42,750 S1: So I uploaded an Alma file, which is part of 574 00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:44,760 S1: a Telos project, which I'm going to be talking about, 575 00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:48,540 S1: hopefully making content on tomorrow. Anyway, it's this giant context 576 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:52,320 S1: file I uploaded it. It is actually the context file 577 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,610 S1: in the Telos format for a security program. So managing 578 00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:59,430 S1: a cyber security program for a company, it's for this 579 00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:02,250 S1: fake company called alma. I've uploaded it. It's in the 580 00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:05,490 S1: fabric repo right now, but it's soon going to be 581 00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:08,670 S1: in the Telos repo as well, which is designed to 582 00:34:08,670 --> 00:34:12,000 S1: do specifically this. But check this out. You put it 583 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,750 S1: in there. Look at this generate deep dive conversation. You 584 00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:19,200 S1: can actually create a podcast based on that security program. 585 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,020 S1: And they'll just talk about the security program back and forth. 586 00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:25,470 S1: That's crazy by itself. But most importantly, look, you can 587 00:34:25,469 --> 00:34:28,340 S1: ask these questions about the security program. And you got 588 00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:31,610 S1: this typing field down here where you can interact and 589 00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:35,330 S1: ask questions about the program. So super cool. Newsom. Yeah, 590 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,310 S1: recommend checking out notebook LM Google because they definitely needed 591 00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:45,050 S1: a Google domain. Whatever. Newsom vetoed the California AI bill, 592 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,230 S1: saying it was too restrictive. I agree with him on this. 593 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:51,620 S1: A good, good move, though. I want to see another 594 00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:54,860 S1: follow up bill. California made it illegal to use AI 595 00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:59,000 S1: to impersonate actors without their consent. Somebody found out their 596 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,839 S1: voice was being AI cloned by a company and they're 597 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,180 S1: mad about it. Convergence AI, co-founded by Marvin Porter and 598 00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:13,130 S1: Andy Tallis, has raised 12 million to develop proxy agents 599 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:16,700 S1: with long term memory. New task of agent, new class 600 00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,970 S1: of agents. Yeah, uh, this is going to be huge. 601 00:35:19,969 --> 00:35:24,470 S1: Huge meta launched three two. They can now handle images 602 00:35:24,469 --> 00:35:28,440 S1: and text competing with OpenAI and anthropic on that ChatGPT 603 00:35:28,469 --> 00:35:32,070 S1: advanced mode. Definitely, definitely. I use it all the time 604 00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:34,950 S1: as all these examples we just went through. Hugging face 605 00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:41,220 S1: now has 1 million AI model listings. 1 million models, all. 606 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:43,890 S1: Are they all open source? Pretty sure they're all open source. 607 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,900 S1: Are they all open source? I think so. I think 608 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,690 S1: they're all open source. They're definitely all there for you 609 00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:52,710 S1: to use. I think that implies that they're open source. Um, yeah. 610 00:35:52,739 --> 00:35:56,700 S1: Anthropic is in early talks with investors. Could value the 611 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,580 S1: company at 30 to 40 billion. Oh, by the way, 612 00:35:59,610 --> 00:36:03,480 S1: OpenAI just closed its funding, so I think it's worth 613 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,600 S1: some crazy amount now. They just raised like more than 614 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:09,600 S1: Elon did for a lot of his projects. Yeah. Crazy 615 00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:12,779 S1: crazy amount of money. They just raised enclosed. Google's rolled 616 00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:17,760 S1: out two new production Gemini models, constant stream model updates 617 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,420 S1: for the main players, much smarter models or models that 618 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:24,480 S1: can do new stuff like vision or whatever, multimodal, and 619 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,830 S1: then models that are like two 500 times cheaper. One 620 00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:31,169 S1: of the cool things that was just mentioned is like 621 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,190 S1: in general, models are 99% cheaper than a year ago 622 00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:40,439 S1: for the same functionality 99%. Ilyas I reading list Agile's 623 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,700 S1: original principles have been lost in translation. AI is disrupting 624 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:48,840 S1: the traditional ad supported internet model. Yea yea yea yea yea. 625 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:52,770 S1: This one's crucial. I did a piece a little while 626 00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:56,640 S1: back called what was that called? I don't remember. It 627 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,450 S1: doesn't matter. Um, real internet things. I've got this part 628 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,950 S1: called AI mediation. Oh yeah. Here's the AI mediation piece. Yeah. 629 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:08,550 S1: Das will mediate everything. We'll say what we want. Our 630 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:12,780 S1: Das will manipulate external demons and APIs to make it happen. 631 00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:17,040 S1: So this is from, uh, I think the very beginning 632 00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:20,370 S1: of the year I put this out, but it's actually 633 00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:24,510 S1: from my book from 2016. And this is just an updated, 634 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,480 S1: illustrated version. I've been talking about this. You should check 635 00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:30,730 S1: out this book, by the way. It's called The Real 636 00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:33,640 S1: Internet of Things. It's actually a little bit crappy of 637 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,180 S1: a book. It's more like a blog post or like 638 00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:40,690 S1: an essay, but it's pretty well structured. But most importantly, 639 00:37:40,690 --> 00:37:43,600 S1: all these things that I've been saying on the podcast 640 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,700 S1: that you've been listening to for like 2 or 3 641 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,100 S1: years or five years or however long it was all 642 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,520 S1: in that book in 2016, all these predictions about AI, 643 00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:54,040 S1: what's about to happen to AR? It's all in there. 644 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,890 S1: And that's why I've been consistent about what I've been 645 00:37:56,890 --> 00:38:00,310 S1: saying and predicting all along. So I highly recommend you 646 00:38:00,310 --> 00:38:02,830 S1: check out the source material, which is that first book. 647 00:38:03,010 --> 00:38:05,500 S1: And yes, I was even talking about AI back in 648 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,620 S1: 2016 and that that I was the source of all 649 00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:10,900 S1: these different predictions. Obviously, I didn't know it was going 650 00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:13,600 S1: to happen in 2022. I thought it might take longer, 651 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,280 S1: but yeah. Anyway, go check that out. Um, SpaceX Starlink 652 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:22,089 S1: is about to hit 4 million subscribers. Um, yeah, I 653 00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:25,950 S1: base a lot of my investment in prediction on leaders 654 00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:31,050 S1: and ideas. Elon jobs Jenson Zuckerberg doesn't mean they're going 655 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,630 S1: to win, but I think it's bad idea to bet 656 00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:38,310 S1: against them because they are so locked in on vision 657 00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:42,120 S1: and also able to execute. Smart TVs from Samsung and 658 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,360 S1: LG are taking snapshots of what you're watching multiple times 659 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,020 S1: per second. Plus energy started a $1 billion solar and 660 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:54,420 S1: battery storage project. The white collar apocalypse is nigh. The 661 00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:57,900 S1: decline of status, economy and the impact of AI on 662 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:01,290 S1: job markets. Yeah, pretty cool one. Definitely go check this 663 00:39:01,290 --> 00:39:05,070 S1: one out. Meta. Orion's AR glasses are a big upgrade. 664 00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:09,600 S1: I don't think Mark is right about replacing phones by 2030. 665 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:13,470 S1: I think that's too ambitious. I think phones offer too 666 00:39:13,469 --> 00:39:16,560 S1: many things that glasses don't, and I just don't think 667 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,910 S1: the physical miniaturization tech is there to go into the 668 00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:24,060 S1: glasses to replicate what's on the phone Hacker News thread, 669 00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:26,820 S1: where people are sharing their experiences about whether having a 670 00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:30,509 S1: personal website helped get them hired. Some people said yes, 671 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:32,460 S1: a lot of people said yes. Some people said no. 672 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:36,300 S1: All right, humans. California is taking phones out of schools, 673 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:40,440 S1: basically limiting cell phone use. So massive props to Jonathan 674 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,950 S1: Hite on this. Uh, someone found a method that uses 675 00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:48,629 S1: stem cells to regenerate insulin producing cells. ExxonMobil is facing 676 00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:53,100 S1: a lawsuit for coming up with a supposed fraud saying 677 00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:57,720 S1: or a myth saying that recycling could help solve the 678 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,899 S1: problem with plastic waste. California is looking to make it 679 00:40:00,930 --> 00:40:04,830 S1: one click. Get off of subscriptions just the same way. 680 00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:07,920 S1: One click sign ups. So if you offer a one 681 00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:09,930 S1: click sign up, you have to offer a one way 682 00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:12,630 S1: to get out of it as well. Over 10,000 books 683 00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:17,100 S1: were banned in US public schools from 2023 to 2024. 684 00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:20,880 S1: Insane Steve Jobs had a thing called a ten minute rule, 685 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,400 S1: just ten minutes to tackle a problem or a task. 686 00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:25,680 S1: Check this out. That's why I love doing video. I've 687 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,589 S1: got one of these. I actually use it. It's called pomodoro, 688 00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:32,160 S1: but you can set it for any time. Right. So 689 00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:35,640 S1: 30 minutes is like the classic one. It's inverted. But 690 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,710 S1: but you can put it down to like. There you go. 691 00:40:37,739 --> 00:40:43,379 S1: Ten minutes. So I think it's cool. Constraints. Constraints inspire creativity. 692 00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:48,509 S1: And Maria Popova explores profound curiosity and love of Henry 693 00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:54,299 S1: David Thoreau as he encounters a screech owl in the wild. Ideas. 694 00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:57,930 S1: Everything is going behind the paywall. Yeah, I'm not going 695 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,410 S1: to read this. I'm just going to give you the overview. Freeform. 696 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,400 S1: I think it's really interesting to think about how there's 697 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:08,790 S1: the open internet is going away. Everything's going to be 698 00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:12,210 S1: behind auth not only to block bots but also to 699 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,439 S1: get micropayments. So rich people who have money for their 700 00:41:16,469 --> 00:41:18,780 S1: their eyes. Okay I'm going to give you a little 701 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:20,549 S1: bit of a I also have to make this piece 702 00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:24,089 S1: of content, but a tiny little view of the future. Okay, 703 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,640 S1: you're going to have all your personal context in your 704 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,760 S1: personal AI. It's with you all the time. Your personal 705 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,610 S1: AI is the one going out and reading everything for you. 706 00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:36,029 S1: It's consuming everything. It's consuming all the APIs, all the 707 00:41:36,030 --> 00:41:40,830 S1: RSS feeds, all the videos. It's making transcripts. It's translating them, 708 00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:43,680 S1: it's summarizing them. It's doing everything for you. And as 709 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,319 S1: you're moving through your day, when you have a little 710 00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:49,560 S1: bit of extra time, it'll create a custom piece of 711 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,740 S1: content for you. Actually, I'm merging both of these. Cool. 712 00:41:52,739 --> 00:41:55,650 S1: It'll create a custom piece of content for you. Okay, 713 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,310 S1: so there's this paper that I just summarized. Where is 714 00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:01,770 S1: that thing? Oh, it's right here. So my buddy just 715 00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:05,310 S1: sent me this thing. It's this giant PDF. Um, my 716 00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,230 S1: AI is going to go read this thing. It's going 717 00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:09,270 S1: to give me a summary based on how much time 718 00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:11,489 S1: I have before my next meeting. It's like, hey, you 719 00:42:11,489 --> 00:42:13,290 S1: want to hear about this thing? Or do you want 720 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,450 S1: to see a video? I'm like, yeah, give me a video. 721 00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:19,830 S1: So it's Richard Feynman explaining this paper to me in 30s, 722 00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:23,340 S1: which means the content. Watch this. The content duration, the 723 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:27,870 S1: content format, the content style, all of. Oh and the performer. 724 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:31,080 S1: The person actually giving the content. So it could be 725 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,169 S1: a graphic novel. It could be a video, it could 726 00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:37,590 S1: be an essay, it could be a video, it could 727 00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:40,470 S1: be text, it could be whatever, but it could shrink 728 00:42:40,469 --> 00:42:45,810 S1: from 30s down to 10s do a giant set of books, 729 00:42:45,810 --> 00:42:50,310 S1: and the AI will dynamically recreate that for you, which 730 00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:54,569 S1: means this is actually the future of education. And this 731 00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:57,750 S1: is going to be a whole separate conversation. In fact, 732 00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:59,790 S1: we're going to break this out as a separate clip 733 00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:02,100 S1: to talk about this. This is going to be the 734 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,100 S1: future of education, because think about this. The AI can 735 00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:10,379 S1: also adjust based on somebody's limitations. Okay. They haven't learned 736 00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:12,810 S1: this topic yet. They're not so great at English yet. 737 00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:15,690 S1: They have a learning disability okay. The AI is going 738 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,180 S1: to be an expert in learning disabilities, which means it 739 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:21,060 S1: can repeat things, or it could avoid certain ways of 740 00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:23,969 S1: explaining things, or it could double down on other ways 741 00:43:23,969 --> 00:43:27,930 S1: of explaining things. Dynamic adjustment to the best way to 742 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,290 S1: teach you at that given time. Maybe if you're a kid, 743 00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:33,840 S1: you want to hear this lesson as a story. You 744 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,000 S1: want to watch it as a video. The whole thing 745 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:40,050 S1: could be framed as Taylor Swift or Pokémon or Star Wars. Okay, 746 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,350 S1: so your eye is going to be able to shape 747 00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:48,270 S1: teaching you anything using any format, in any duration, in 748 00:43:48,270 --> 00:43:52,440 S1: any style of teaching. Okay. It could be a podcast 749 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,020 S1: between your two favorite people, and they're talking about the 750 00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:58,319 S1: ideas debating back and forth. It could be a graphic novel, 751 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,719 S1: it could be a TV show, it could be a cartoon, 752 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,850 S1: it could be an anime. It could be a YouTube 753 00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:07,140 S1: video of your favorite creator just doing a YouTube video 754 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:09,270 S1: for you about that thing, and you're like, nope, I 755 00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:12,270 S1: want it in 30s nope. I want it in one 756 00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:15,750 S1: hour episodes, five of them per week. So it's like 757 00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:17,819 S1: I sit down for an hour and I learn this thing. 758 00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:22,799 S1: This is going to massively disrupt education. Okay, we already 759 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,739 S1: knew I was going to disrupt education. We already know 760 00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:28,890 S1: technology is going to disrupt education. Like this is all known. 761 00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:32,370 S1: But this particular formula of being able to adjust all 762 00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:37,620 S1: those variables and create dynamic content, that is the game 763 00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:42,990 S1: that that is the education game, like 100%. Okay. Now 764 00:44:42,989 --> 00:44:45,420 S1: now think about this. All you need to do is 765 00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:48,180 S1: come up with the absolute best content, okay? Once you 766 00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:50,850 S1: have the best content, which which I hate to tell you, 767 00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:53,190 S1: it's kind of already out there. Okay. What what are 768 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:58,440 S1: the best concepts in journalism or biology or whatever? It's 769 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,739 S1: in there. It's in the textbooks already. Right? The smartest 770 00:45:01,739 --> 00:45:03,870 S1: people have already been talking about it. It's in all 771 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:07,620 S1: of their books. Well, go read their books. We've already 772 00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:10,229 S1: seen their lectures. Half of those lectures are already on 773 00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:15,839 S1: open MOOCs on, uh, you know, Harvard or MIT or whatever. Like, 774 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,770 S1: these people aren't being quiet. It's not a secret what 775 00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:21,049 S1: they know about the world. So all the stuff's out there, 776 00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:24,050 S1: so the content's solved. The only question is, how are 777 00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:27,560 S1: we getting that content to the people? Now, you take 778 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,370 S1: something like an extremely expensive university like Harvard or Stanford 779 00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:35,270 S1: or something like 11 people go per year and it's 780 00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:38,509 S1: horribly expensive. How many people are on the planet? Oh, 781 00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:42,590 S1: 8 billion, 8 billion people need that education and don't 782 00:45:42,590 --> 00:45:46,820 S1: have the time. And they have language, you know, disabilities 783 00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:51,020 S1: or language like, um, mismatches with the way the original 784 00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:55,400 S1: content was taught. Doesn't matter. Instant translation to their language 785 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,040 S1: while on ramping them onto English if they want to 786 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,120 S1: learn English. 8 billion people getting exactly the education they 787 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,719 S1: need in the topics that they need in any format 788 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,259 S1: that is best for them, represented by deepfakes of exactly 789 00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:12,950 S1: the best people or in the format of whatever a show, 790 00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:14,750 S1: whatever is the best way to get it to them. 791 00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:18,189 S1: Like how is that not the way people are going 792 00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:20,410 S1: to learn in the future? That's what I'm asking you. 793 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,040 S1: How is that not the future? Now, again, how fast 794 00:46:24,070 --> 00:46:25,960 S1: are we going to get there? Are there lots of 795 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,430 S1: different ways that will be opposed? Of course, of course. Right. 796 00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:34,030 S1: So when is it going to start? Today. Yesterday. Tomorrow. 797 00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:36,730 S1: That's when it's going to start. It's already starting. When 798 00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:39,430 S1: will it be finished? Never. There will always be a 799 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:41,620 S1: forces that push it back and say no, you've got 800 00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:44,259 S1: to dress up. You've got to go to this special school. 801 00:46:44,290 --> 00:46:47,169 S1: Because remember, a lot of education is actually not about 802 00:46:47,170 --> 00:46:49,870 S1: the content and about the the learning. A lot of 803 00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:52,750 S1: the education is actually about the stamp that you get afterwards, 804 00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:55,330 S1: which we can solve a different way, which we'll be 805 00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:58,270 S1: talking about at some point to and kind of already 806 00:46:58,270 --> 00:47:00,489 S1: have talked about. All right. Let's keep going. I think 807 00:47:00,489 --> 00:47:03,730 S1: we covered both of those topics pretty well. Oh, yeah. 808 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,160 S1: Future of education. Exactly. Okay. Discovery acts framework extension of 809 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,750 S1: Axios for bug hunters and penetration testers. So it's basically 810 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:17,350 S1: a way to do large distributed scans as part of 811 00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:20,739 S1: like Bug Bounty, the Russian APT tool matrix. New tool 812 00:47:20,739 --> 00:47:26,680 S1: matrix focused on Russian APT groups GRU, SVR, FSB affiliated 813 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,719 S1: threat actors. Reuse of tools like Mimikatz, impact, exact, Metasploit 814 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,340 S1: Re George Re George being particularly notable for limited use 815 00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:40,960 S1: by by ransomware gangs okay Merkle map subdomain search engine 816 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,070 S1: helps you discover subdomains. Gun gear is a command line tool. 817 00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:48,070 S1: What's with this font? Do Not like is a command 818 00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:51,430 S1: line tool written by my buddy gunner and go. Microservices 819 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:55,180 S1: are technical debt. Really really cool. Take there. Be somebody 820 00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:59,770 S1: who does things. That was a fantastic essay. It's lists 821 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,310 S1: all the way down. Another fantastic one. US government is 822 00:48:03,310 --> 00:48:07,569 S1: now publishing tide sensor data to show sea level rise. 823 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,740 S1: Love the transparency here. Comedy is search, critical mass and 824 00:48:11,739 --> 00:48:16,870 S1: tipping points. Semantic chunking for rag flipper zero. Firmware. Open 825 00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,170 S1: source firmware unlocks a lot more of your flipper device. 826 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,250 S1: MTA Open Data Challenge Paul Graham addresses the question of 827 00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:28,540 S1: whether to follow your passion or not. Compressed jpg, compressed 828 00:48:28,540 --> 00:48:33,880 S1: jpeg move fast and abandon things. BBC Sound Effects Library 829 00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:36,940 S1: what I learned in the past years spent building an 830 00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:40,900 S1: AI video editor. Danger zone is teamed up with Google's. 831 00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:44,950 S1: Gvisor to enhance its security, allowing journalists to open suspicious 832 00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:48,640 S1: documents safely. RM Creative Console might be getting one of 833 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,160 S1: these actually need to go order that advanced structure output tutorial. 834 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,540 S1: Logitech's MX Creative Console is a game changer for photo 835 00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:02,620 S1: and video editors. Dieter Rams inspired iPhone dock. This thing 836 00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:04,359 S1: looks really cool. I don't think I would get one, 837 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,990 S1: but isn't that cool? Yeah, that looks cool. And automatic 838 00:49:07,989 --> 00:49:10,660 S1: litter boxes because I want a cat, but I'm allergic 839 00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:13,780 S1: to cats, so probably not getting one recommendation of the week. 840 00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:16,629 S1: Take a document or something you know really well and 841 00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:19,960 S1: upload it to notebook LM and tinker around with it. 842 00:49:19,989 --> 00:49:22,840 S1: It is super cool and do it quickly because they 843 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,130 S1: might put the project in the Google graveyard. Um. Aphorism 844 00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:30,160 S1: of the week. I want so much that is not 845 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,009 S1: here and do not know where to go. I want 846 00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:35,710 S1: so much that is not here and do not know 847 00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:41,230 S1: where to go. Charles Bukowski. 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